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Pope Francis sets new Holy Thursday ritual of washing (1 Viewer)

'Ignoramus said:
'badmojo1006 said:
No pope has ever washed the feet of a woman before, and Francis' gesture sparked a debate among some conservatives and liturgical purists, who lamented he had set a "questionable example."
I read the article and still don't get what's so questionable about washing the feet of some women, too.
Well, some are underage.
 
'bigbottom said:
Foot fetish?I am liking this guy better than the last guy so far.
Yup. :thumbup:As a rule I'm really not into ritual--but this man really seems to feel it for the right reasons.
 
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Jesus washed the disciples feet on Holy Thursday, and the disciples were all men. Therefore, popes wash only men's feet on HT.

This may seem like silly logic, but it's roughly the same logic for keeping women out of the priesthood. So maybe a subtle signal of Francis's personal view on that issue.

Also, one of the women was Muslim. I like this guy.

 
I still think he got off on the wrong foot initially but he has been pissing off the right people. I love that he refuses to move into the palace. I may have to cut this guy some slack.

 
Jesus washed the disciples feet on Holy Thursday, and the disciples were all men. Therefore, popes wash only men's feet on HT. This may seem like silly logic, but it's roughly the same logic for keeping women out of the priesthood. So maybe a subtle signal of Francis's personal view on that issue. Also, one of the women was Muslim. I like this guy.
Didn't Jesus wash a prostitutes feet or am I misremembering?
 
other way around... she washed his feet, and with expensive perfume, not water... and not likely a prostitute.

 
Jesus washed the disciples feet on Holy Thursday, and the disciples were all men. Therefore, popes wash only men's feet on HT. This may seem like silly logic, but it's roughly the same logic for keeping women out of the priesthood. So maybe a subtle signal of Francis's personal view on that issue. Also, one of the women was Muslim. I like this guy.
Didn't Jesus wash a prostitutes feet or am I misremembering?
She washed his with perfume.
 
'Ignoramus said:
'badmojo1006 said:
No pope has ever washed the feet of a woman before, and Francis' gesture sparked a debate among some conservatives and liturgical purists, who lamented he had set a "questionable example."
I read the article and still don't get what's so questionable about washing the feet of some women, too.
Next thing you know he is making women priests and then we have a new molestation issue we have to deal with. Guy is gonna single handedly tear the church apart and I couldn't be happier also. :thumbup:
 
I still think he got off on the wrong foot initially but he has been pissing off the right people. I love that he refuses to move into the palace. I may have to cut this guy some slack.
I agree on the surface but these men live a life of poverty. I think it was easier for him to maybe not touch what he never had. Isn't he like 75+?
 
I still think he got off on the wrong foot initially but he has been pissing off the right people. I love that he refuses to move into the palace. I may have to cut this guy some slack.
I agree on the surface but these men live a life of poverty. I think it was easier for him to maybe not touch what he never had. Isn't he like 75+?
Aren't they all? But this one has avoided the trappings for years. He refused to move into the fancy digs he could have had when he made cardinal as well.
 
I still think he got off on the wrong foot initially but he has been pissing off the right people. I love that he refuses to move into the palace. I may have to cut this guy some slack.
I agree on the surface but these men live a life of poverty. I think it was easier for him to maybe not touch what he never had. Isn't he like 75+?
Aren't they all? But this one has avoided the trappings for years. He refused to move into the fancy digs he could have had when he made cardinal as well.
So it is sort of a self imposed way. You could almost make the connection to self-flagellation without the blood but I'm sure many here would shake their heads.
 
Love this pope

No need to throw out the chocolate, booze, and carbs. Pope Francis has a different idea for fasting this year.Christians around the world mark the beginning of Lent with the celebration of Ash Wednesday. This ancient day and season has a surprising modern appeal. Priests and pastors often tell you that outside of Christmas, more people show up to church on Ash Wednesday than any other day of the year—including Easter. But this mystique isn’t reserved for Christians alone. The customs that surround the season have a quality to them that transcend religion.

Perhaps most notable is the act of fasting. While Catholics fast on Ash Wednesday and on Fridays during the Lenten season, many people—religious or not—take up this increasingly popular discipline during the year.

But Pope Francis has asked us to reconsider the heart of this activity this Lenten season. According to Francis, fasting must never become superficial. He often quotes the early Christian mystic John Chrysostom who said: “No act of virtue can be great if it is not followed by advantage for others. So, no matter how much time you spend fasting, no matter how much you sleep on a hard floor and eat ashes and sigh continually, if you do no good to others, you do nothing great.”

But this isn’t to downplay the role of sacrifice during the Lenten season. Lent is a good time for penance and self-denial. But once again, Francis reminds us that these activities must truly enrich others: “I distrust a charity that costs nothing and does not hurt.”

So, if we’re going to fast from anything this Lent, Francis suggests that even more than candy or alcohol, we fast from indifference towards others.

In his annual Lenten message, the pope writes, “Indifference to our neighbor and to God also represents a real temptation for us Christians. Each year during Lent we need to hear once more the voice of the prophets who cry out and trouble our conscience.”

Describing this phenomenon he calls the globalization of indifference, Francis writes that “whenever our interior life becomes caught up in its own interests and concerns, there is no longer room for others, no place for the poor. God’s voice is no longer heard, the quiet joy of his love is no longer felt, and the desire to do good fades.” He continues that, “We end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own.”

But when we fast from this indifference, we can began to feast on love. In fact, Lent is the perfect time to learn how to love again. Jesus—the great protagonist of this holy season—certainly showed us the way. In him, God descends all the way down to bring everyone up. In his life and his ministry, no one is excluded.

“What are you giving up for Lent?” It’s a question a lot of people will get these next few days. If you want to change your body, perhaps alcohol and candy is the way to go. But if you want to change your heart, a harder fast is needed. This narrow road is gritty, but it isn’t sterile. It will make room in ourselves to experience a love that can make us whole and set us free.

Now that’s something worth fasting for.
 
Jesus washed the disciples feet on Holy Thursday, and the disciples were all men. Therefore, popes wash only men's feet on HT. This may seem like silly logic, but it's roughly the same logic for keeping women out of the priesthood. So maybe a subtle signal of Francis's personal view on that issue. Also, one of the women was Muslim. I like this guy.
Didn't Jesus wash a prostitutes feet or am I misremembering?
She washed his with perfume.
I guess that counts as "washing" in some cultures

 

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