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possible lengthy food, supply shortages coming to the US? Latest: start hiding Sriracha (3 Viewers)

On a scale of 1-10 how concerned are you about a food/supply shortage?

  • 1-Not concerned at all. Business as usual.

    Votes: 48 23.1%
  • 2

    Votes: 35 16.8%
  • 3

    Votes: 30 14.4%
  • 4

    Votes: 25 12.0%
  • 5-Mildly concerned, but not panicking. Stocking up on some non-perishable essentials.

    Votes: 45 21.6%
  • 6

    Votes: 8 3.8%
  • 7

    Votes: 9 4.3%
  • 8

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • 9

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 10-Stocking up on everything.

    Votes: 4 1.9%

  • Total voters
    208
Anyone else have trouble procuring spinach?

My local grocery have had empty bins and shelves for the last couple of weeks.
No. Fresh Express at Publix is a BOGO this week. I chose baby spinach, my roommate chose a lettuce blend. Miami Beach. 

A week ago when my daughter was in town we bought spinach at Whole Foods in North Miami. 

 
Coke zero has been frequently missing at Costco in Miami. And also sometimes at Walgreens, CVS, and Publix.


Plenty of Coke Zero and Distilled water in Michigan. Manager at local Krogers said they really have not been short on much at all. Maybe a product here and there but there is always a different brand if need be.

Said the biggest problem is that so much stuff is in back room as most of their employees instead of stocking are doing the online shopping for people.

 
From a good buddy: 

"Was meeting with a few commercial farmers yesterday. They said we are in for a shock this year. Their costs are literally double or triple for seed, fuel, fertilizer, etc…"

 
From a good buddy: 

"Was meeting with a few commercial farmers yesterday. They said we are in for a shock this year. Their costs are literally double or triple for seed, fuel, fertilizer, etc…"
Why? Last year farmers were destroying crops because there was no one to buy them. Now all the sudden everything is tripling in price. Is it just because delivery folks (trucks, ports, trains, etc.) are price gouging everyone to death?

 
Why? Last year farmers were destroying crops because there was no one to buy them. Now all the sudden everything is tripling in price. Is it just because delivery folks (trucks, ports, trains, etc.) are price gouging everyone to death?
Might not JUST be because of that, but that's probably a good guess. 

 
Of course 
Wasn't the government requiring these companies (it might just have been those related to shipping containers and ports)  to provide data showing that essentially they weren't price gouging? It was in the news awhile back but I haven't heard anything on it in awhile.

 
Wasn't the government requiring these companies (it might just have been those related to shipping containers and ports)  to provide data showing that essentially they weren't price gouging? It was in the news awhile back but I haven't heard anything on it in awhile.
I’m probably the wrong guy to ask. I don’t believe much of anything that our govt tells us 

 
Why? Last year farmers were destroying crops because there was no one to buy them. Now all the sudden everything is tripling in price. Is it just because delivery folks (trucks, ports, trains, etc.) are price gouging everyone to death?


Shipping issues.   When we can't get staples to China cheaply everything breaks down.  Gonna be a lot of roosting.  

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Anyone else have trouble procuring spinach?

My local grocery have had empty bins and shelves for the last couple of weeks.


Couldn't find any tonight.  I noticed the entire section of bagged salad and greens was also empty, I don't know if related.

 
Couldn't get any spinach either today.  Spinach is really easy to grow at home don't get how it would be hard for pros.

 
Couldn't find any tonight.  I noticed the entire section of bagged salad and greens was also empty, I don't know if related.


Kroger? 

Our local Kroger had zero lettuce - fresh, packaged, iceberg, romaine, red, bagged, whatever ...no bagged spinach or fresh.  There were a few of the clear plastic boxes of the Spring Mix ...that was it.

 
Kroger? 

Our local Kroger had zero lettuce - fresh, packaged, iceberg, romaine, red, bagged, whatever ...no bagged spinach or fresh.  There were a few of the clear plastic boxes of the Spring Mix ...that was it.


Yes Kroger.  We still had plenty of fresh lettuce and greens.

 
Will be interesting to see if China’s “zero tolerance for covid” policy is successful in keeping outbreaks to a minimum. The strain is so contagious and the typical factories in China involve lots of people in relatively close quarters—that any sort of moderate outbreak there could really be a threat to global supply chains. 

 
Check your local organic farmers. My family uses a farmers market basically from April to December, and we have some relationships now with some farmers with greenhouses who grow throughout the winter.

You generally can't get everything you want, but I can get lettuce, spinach, etc from our guy. We can also usually get some other stuff like cucumbers, radishes...stuff like that.

We also stock up on potatoes and sweet potatoes the last market of the season (end of November) and that usually carries us to about February. 

 
Supply chain issues to continue into 2022, get worse before they get better

an aspect I hadn't thought about recently, but tl;dr from the article:

But the larger issue lies in China, where another wave of COVID is ravaging the country.

“Their approach to coronavirus is to absolutely lock down a city, a province, a port,” Williams said. “And so, that is really challenging the supply chain for things coming out of China. And a lot of things still come out of China. We really haven’t diversified away from China very much. People are trying, but it takes quite a while.”

time to start growing your own cream cheese and Jimmy Deans, fellas

 
Supply chain issues to continue into 2022, get worse before they get better

an aspect I hadn't thought about recently, but tl;dr from the article:

But the larger issue lies in China, where another wave of COVID is ravaging the country.

“Their approach to coronavirus is to absolutely lock down a city, a province, a port,”


Williams


said. “And so, that is really challenging the supply chain for things coming out of China. And a lot of things still come out of China. We really haven’t diversified away from China very much. People are trying, but it takes quite a while.”

time to start growing your own cream cheese and Jimmy Deans, fellas
I'm wondering if this mess doesn't have unintended consequences that improve things in one way, or several.  

If it gets harder to purchase cheap crap from China, maybe people will purchase less cheap crap from China. 

90% of what we purchases arrives in a shipping container. Maybe we permanently lower that percentage. 

Maybe this spurs action to update our ports, and improve their efficiency. 

And probably several other positive outcomes my tiny brain cannot conceive. The goal should not be to restore this system. The system has been exposed as having a laughable number of  weak links, each of which seems pretty dang weak. 

It will take capitalism, not policy, to make it happen. There has to be a way to profit from improving a broken system.

 
I'm wondering if this mess doesn't have unintended consequences that improve things in one way, or several.  

If it gets harder to purchase cheap crap from China, maybe people will purchase less cheap crap from China. 

90% of what we purchases arrives in a shipping container. Maybe we permanently lower that percentage. 

Maybe this spurs action to update our ports, and improve their efficiency. 

And probably several other positive outcomes my tiny brain cannot conceive. The goal should not be to restore this system. The system has been exposed as having a laughable number of  weak links, each of which seems pretty dang weak. 

It will take capitalism, not policy, to make it happen. There has to be a way to profit from improving a broken system.
Agreed. Just have to get through a little bit of short-term suffering. 

 
I'm wondering if this mess doesn't have unintended consequences that improve things in one way, or several.  

If it gets harder to purchase cheap crap from China, maybe people will purchase less cheap crap from China. 

90% of what we purchases arrives in a shipping container. Maybe we permanently lower that percentage. 

Maybe this spurs action to update our ports, and improve their efficiency. 

And probably several other positive outcomes my tiny brain cannot conceive. The goal should not be to restore this system. The system has been exposed as having a laughable number of  weak links, each of which seems pretty dang weak. 

It will take capitalism, not policy, to make it happen. There has to be a way to profit from improving a broken system.
Would love to see it, but not confident at all that it's going to happen. Without policy (which certainly has cons) it's going to come down to consumer behavior changing and demanding it happen, and I think that's extremely wishful thinking.

 
This is the frozen potato section at Publix near Tampa this morning. It’s been decimated for a while, but this is the worst it’s been. Cream cheese was restocked a couple of weeks ago, but it’s all gone now. 

 
This is the frozen potato section at Publix near Tampa this morning. It’s been decimated for a while, but this is the worst it’s been. Cream cheese was restocked a couple of weeks ago, but it’s all gone now. 


bwhaaaa!  That lonely POS Arby's curly fries is rightfully one of the few things left.

LONG LIVE POTATO CAKES!!!

 
Yeah steel and steel-related items are tough to find right now in the construction industry.  It's been problematic for a few months now.

As for grocery items, we are unable to find the ONE brand of chicken nuggets my son eats (and he eats them for just about EVERY dinner).  They're usually at Target but our Target suuuuuuuucks in terms of supply.
I've experienced noticeably more empty shelf slots in the last few weeks with just random stuff like half gallons of chocolate milk, peanut butter crackers, some frozen stuff, some canned goods. I think they're getting stock still, just lower amounts so they can't keep it on hand very long. Powerades/Gatorades still spotty. And perhaps the most alarming, whiskey section starting to look barren

 
A lot of these shortages are packaging related instead of product related. For example, Snak Pak puddings were hard to find due to a resin shortage that goes in the container. Things are getting better but manufacturers are consolidating their offerings to core products so their will be less choices. As far as the crackers Nabisco stopped making Saltines without notice, throwing the whole cracker industry into a frenzied attempt to shift production.

 
Shelves are varying degrees of empty on any given day. Prices are absolutely ridiculous. And on top of raising prices dramatically, they're doing so while shrinking the size of the packaging. A box of corn chex was like $7.50 for the big size. And the $4.50 box is a new size that has never existed before. It's rail-thin. 8 oz. 8. For $4.50.

Don't tell me these guys aren't taking advantage of the situation here.

 
Yeah steel and steel-related items are tough to find right now in the construction industry.  It's been problematic for a few months now.

As for grocery items, we are unable to find the ONE brand of chicken nuggets my son eats (and he eats them for just about EVERY dinner).  They're usually at Target but our Target suuuuuuuucks in terms of supply.
Love Target but they are not great in their food variety availability.

 
As for grocery items, we are unable to find the ONE brand of chicken nuggets my son eats (and he eats them for just about EVERY dinner).  They're usually at Target but our Target suuuuuuuucks in terms of supply.
Dino nuggets? We haven't been able to find them at Target either. Tried the regular shaped nuggets and he screamed bloody murder; you'd think I murdered all of the dinos. 

 

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