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[The Duff Man]

WHY ARE COACHES CONSTANTLY RUNNING OUT OF THE SHOTGUN ON SHORT YARDAGE 3rd and 4th down PLAYS@#$@#$

Because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition….or a run play to be called from shotgun.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

in the Packers/Chiefs game, AJD was gashing the Chiefs for 3-5 YPC. 1st Oackers drive. In the RZ, they hand it to AJD 1st and goal at the 7. Takes it 6 to the 1. At about the 6” line.

Packers dial up a play action TE leak-out.

Now I know it worked. The TE was wide open. touchdown. Yay.

But I’ve seen that play not work. A lot. Taking a sack makes it 3rd & goal at the 5-6-7 yard line. Maybe it doesn’t foot the D & it’s a pick.

I’m just saying. Sometimes ya gotta keep it simple. Hand AJD the ball and I guarantee he punches it in there. Maybe I’m too conservative, but that seemed like adding unnecessary risk to a situation that didn’t need it. KC D was exhausted, and Dillon had fresh legs.

Again - I know it worked. It’s just something I disagreed with.

 

[Gally]

I’m not quite sure what Mahomes and Reid were thinking on the play just before the Hail Mary when Mahomes threw a short incompletion. Felt like they could have had two shots at the hail Mary versus 1.

That was weird. My only thought was that they had a quick out called, but Mahomes didn't like what he saw so immediately threw it away to at least ensure he'd get one more play

this was their thinking and Mahomes saw the DB jump the route so threw it away. The real question is why did they think this would help them? Gaining 6-8 yds (if it worked) and waste half the time left on the clock to do what? Make it an easier throw into the endzone with 8 defenders in the area? Seems really dumb.

 

[Gally]

I’m just saying. Sometimes ya gotta keep it simple. Hand AJD the ball and I guarantee he punches it in there. Maybe I’m too conservative, but that seemed like adding unnecessary risk to a situation that didn’t need it. KC D was exhausted, and Dillon had fresh legs.

I have also seen that play get blown up and the RB fumble and the defense recover. The what if game is fun. Many things can go wrong with any play. That play worked because the defense sold out which is what the Packers were expecting. Seems like it was a quality call and the Packers read the other team properly.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m just saying. Sometimes ya gotta keep it simple. Hand AJD the ball and I guarantee he punches it in there. Maybe I’m too conservative, but that seemed like adding unnecessary risk to a situation that didn’t need it. KC D was exhausted, and Dillon had fresh legs.

I have also seen that play get blown up and the RB fumble and the defense recover. The what if game is fun. Many things can go wrong with any play. That play worked because the defense sold out which is what the Packers were expecting. Seems like it was a quality call and the Packers read the other team properly.

I get that.

Seems like more could go wrong on the pass attempt.

Again, picking nits. The play worked to perfection. There was nothing wrong with the play.

I just disagreed with it.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I’m just saying. Sometimes ya gotta keep it simple. Hand AJD the ball and I guarantee he punches it in there. Maybe I’m too conservative, but that seemed like adding unnecessary risk to a situation that didn’t need it. KC D was exhausted, and Dillon had fresh legs.

I have also seen that play get blown up and the RB fumble and the defense recover. The what if game is fun. Many things can go wrong with any play. That play worked because the defense sold out which is what the Packers were expecting. Seems like it was a quality call and the Packers read the other team properly.

We’re complaining bc a team went to a guy who was uncovered with no one within 50’ of him?

 

[Gally]

I just disagreed with it.

Must be a Dillon owner.......hahahahaha

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m just saying. Sometimes ya gotta keep it simple. Hand AJD the ball and I guarantee he punches it in there. Maybe I’m too conservative, but that seemed like adding unnecessary risk to a situation that didn’t need it. KC D was exhausted, and Dillon had fresh legs.

I have also seen that play get blown up and the RB fumble and the defense recover. The what if game is fun. Many things can go wrong with any play. That play worked because the defense sold out which is what the Packers were expecting. Seems like it was a quality call and the Packers read the other team properly.

We’re complaining bc a team went to a guy who was uncovered with no one within 50’ of him?

Not complaining. Just disagreeing.

The “post here when you want to complain about something” topic is over there ~~~>

 

[Gally]

I’m just saying. Sometimes ya gotta keep it simple. Hand AJD the ball and I guarantee he punches it in there. Maybe I’m too conservative, but that seemed like adding unnecessary risk to a situation that didn’t need it. KC D was exhausted, and Dillon had fresh legs.

I have also seen that play get blown up and the RB fumble and the defense recover. The what if game is fun. Many things can go wrong with any play. That play worked because the defense sold out which is what the Packers were expecting. Seems like it was a quality call and the Packers read the other team properly.

We’re complaining bc a team went to a guy who was uncovered with no one within 50’ of him?

Don't include me in that we...hahhaa

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I just disagreed with it.

Must be a Dillon owner.......hahahahaha

Why yes, as a matter of fact I am.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

in the Packers/Chiefs game, AJD was gashing the Chiefs for 3-5 YPC. 1st Oackers drive. In the RZ, they hand it to AJD 1st and goal at the 7. Takes it 6 to the 1. At about the 6” line.

Packers dial up a play action TE leak-out.

Now I know it worked. The TE was wide open. touchdown. Yay.

But I’ve seen that play not work. A lot. Taking a sack makes it 3rd & goal at the 5-6-7 yard line. Maybe it doesn’t foot the D & it’s a pick.

I’m just saying. Sometimes ya gotta keep it simple. Hand AJD the ball and I guarantee he punches it in there. Maybe I’m too conservative, but that seemed like adding unnecessary risk to a situation that didn’t need it. KC D was exhausted, and Dillon had fresh legs.

Again - I know it worked. It’s just something I disagreed with.

I'm a huge fan of the play-action, throw it to the blocking TE play (even better when it's a lineman). Always seems to work, especially in situations where, as you say, they were gashing them on the ground and the Chiefs were gearing up to stop them

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I’m not quite sure what Mahomes and Reid were thinking on the play just before the Hail Mary when Mahomes threw a short incompletion. Felt like they could have had two shots at the hail Mary versus 1.

That was weird. My only thought was that they had a quick out called, but Mahomes didn't like what he saw so immediately threw it away to at least ensure he'd get one more play

this was their thinking and Mahomes saw the DB jump the route so threw it away. The real question is why did they think this would help them? Gaining 6-8 yds (if it worked) and waste half the time left on the clock to do what? Make it an easier throw into the endzone with 8 defenders in the area? Seems really dumb.

They were on the 33. If they could have gotten another 8 yards or so, that's the difference between running a targeted end-zone play and the Hail Mary they were forced to try

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

in the Packers/Chiefs game, AJD was gashing the Chiefs for 3-5 YPC. 1st Oackers drive. In the RZ, they hand it to AJD 1st and goal at the 7. Takes it 6 to the 1. At about the 6” line.

Packers dial up a play action TE leak-out.

Now I know it worked. The TE was wide open. touchdown. Yay.

But I’ve seen that play not work. A lot. Taking a sack makes it 3rd & goal at the 5-6-7 yard line. Maybe it doesn’t foot the D & it’s a pick.

I’m just saying. Sometimes ya gotta keep it simple. Hand AJD the ball and I guarantee he punches it in there. Maybe I’m too conservative, but that seemed like adding unnecessary risk to a situation that didn’t need it. KC D was exhausted, and Dillon had fresh legs.

Again - I know it worked. It’s just something I disagreed with.

I'm a huge fan of the play-action, throw it to the blocking TE play (even better when it's a lineman). Always seems to work, especially in situations where, as you say, they were gashing them on the ground and the Chiefs were gearing up to stop them

But what you seem to be missing here is that *I* needed that AJD touchdown.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I just disagreed with it.

Must be a Dillon owner.......hahahahaha

Why yes, as a matter of fact I am.

This is the opposite, but the Rams absolutely should not have converted the TD inside the two-minute warning up 8, with Cleveland out of timeouts. All they had to do was kneel the game out. Instead, they let Kyren convert the bunny.

That proved to be very good for teams with either Kyren or the Rams D (on Cleveland's subsequent possession, they sacked Flacco in the end zone for a safety). But I was reminded of Week 2 last year, when the Browns scored to go up 14 with two minutes left and the Jets got the ball back and scored twice. Their QB that day? A young(er) Joe Flacco

BTW, even McVay admitted that decision only made sense for fantasy

 

[Gally]

I’m not quite sure what Mahomes and Reid were thinking on the play just before the Hail Mary when Mahomes threw a short incompletion. Felt like they could have had two shots at the hail Mary versus 1.

That was weird. My only thought was that they had a quick out called, but Mahomes didn't like what he saw so immediately threw it away to at least ensure he'd get one more play

this was their thinking and Mahomes saw the DB jump the route so threw it away. The real question is why did they think this would help them? Gaining 6-8 yds (if it worked) and waste half the time left on the clock to do what? Make it an easier throw into the endzone with 8 defenders in the area? Seems really dumb.

They were on the 33. If they could have gotten another 8 yards or so, that's the difference between running a targeted end-zone play and the Hail Mary they were forced to try

I think I rather go for two 33 yd hail marry's than one targeted end zone play with 8 defenders in the end zone. I get the difference but typically "targeted" end zone plays don't have to deal with 8 defenders in the endzone so the space isn't there anyway.

 

[nysfl2]

I’m not quite sure what Mahomes and Reid were thinking on the play just before the Hail Mary when Mahomes threw a short incompletion. Felt like they could have had two shots at the hail Mary versus 1.

That was weird. My only thought was that they had a quick out called, but Mahomes didn't like what he saw so immediately threw it away to at least ensure he'd get one more play

this was their thinking and Mahomes saw the DB jump the route so threw it away. The real question is why did they think this would help them? Gaining 6-8 yds (if it worked) and waste half the time left on the clock to do what? Make it an easier throw into the endzone with 8 defenders in the area? Seems really dumb.

They were on the 33. If they could have gotten another 8 yards or so, that's the difference between running a targeted end-zone play and the Hail Mary they were forced to try

I think I rather go for two 33 yd hail marry's than one targeted end zone play with 8 defenders in the end zone. I get the difference but typically "targeted" end zone plays don't have to deal with 8 defenders in the endzone so the space isn't there anyway.

I don't think there was time for 2 hail marys. I believe there were only like 8 or 9 seconds left, which could have easily run out on a hail mary.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I’m not quite sure what Mahomes and Reid were thinking on the play just before the Hail Mary when Mahomes threw a short incompletion. Felt like they could have had two shots at the hail Mary versus 1.

That was weird. My only thought was that they had a quick out called, but Mahomes didn't like what he saw so immediately threw it away to at least ensure he'd get one more play

this was their thinking and Mahomes saw the DB jump the route so threw it away. The real question is why did they think this would help them? Gaining 6-8 yds (if it worked) and waste half the time left on the clock to do what? Make it an easier throw into the endzone with 8 defenders in the area? Seems really dumb.

They were on the 33. If they could have gotten another 8 yards or so, that's the difference between running a targeted end-zone play and the Hail Mary they were forced to try

I think I rather go for two 33 yd hail marry's than one targeted end zone play with 8 defenders in the end zone. I get the difference but typically "targeted" end zone plays don't have to deal with 8 defenders in the endzone so the space isn't there anyway.

I don't think there was time for 2 hail marys. I believe there were only like 8 or 9 seconds left, which could have easily run out on a hail mary.

I kinda disagree. We’re not talking 50+ yard hail Mary’s here. I think they were at or around the 30. With 8 or 9 seconds left, I think they could easily run one on third down and left a second or two for a final play. By throwing that meaningless ball on 3rd down—it effectively made it so that Green Bay just loaded up the end zone with defenders. Even if they were thinking that they were only going to get one “real” shot at a Hail Mary—they should have executed that shot on 3rd down because Green Bay still had to play legit defense—AND—they leave open the possibility of having another shot if there was time left on the clock. Basically—what I’m implying is that—even if what you said is true—I still think the should have went for the Hail Mary on the previous play

 

[Rubi]

Carolina at Tampa
Panthers have the ball with a few minutes to play
Touchdown wins the game
Plenty of time and 2 timeouts
First and second down runs result in a third and 1 near mid field
Panthers have been running the ball very well all game
Third and 1...pass play...fail
Fourth and 1...pass play...fail.
Nice calls

 

[Gally]

Third and 1...pass play...fail
Fourth and 1...pass play...fail.
Nice calls

but, but, but they expect us to run. Let's trick em....

 

[Rubi]

Third and 1...pass play...fail
Fourth and 1...pass play...fail.
Nice calls

but, but, but they expect us to run. Let's trick em....

Yup,just like Seattle in their Super Bowl loss.......stupid!
In Italian it's...STUPIDO!

 

[bryhamm]

in the Packers/Chiefs game, AJD was gashing the Chiefs for 3-5 YPC. 1st Oackers drive. In the RZ, they hand it to AJD 1st and goal at the 7. Takes it 6 to the 1. At about the 6” line.

Packers dial up a play action TE leak-out.

Now I know it worked. The TE was wide open. touchdown. Yay.

But I’ve seen that play not work. A lot. Taking a sack makes it 3rd & goal at the 5-6-7 yard line. Maybe it doesn’t foot the D & it’s a pick.

I’m just saying. Sometimes ya gotta keep it simple. Hand AJD the ball and I guarantee he punches it in there. Maybe I’m too conservative, but that seemed like adding unnecessary risk to a situation that didn’t need it. KC D was exhausted, and Dillon had fresh legs.

Again - I know it worked. It’s just something I disagreed with.

Marshawn Lynch likely agrees with you.

 

[efactor]

Steelers vs Cardinals:

Game tied 3-3 in the 2nd quarter. Steelers have 4th and goal at the 1 foot line. They go from the shot gun and run a slow developing play to Najee and get shut down. Why not get under center and run a straight dive play? Easy TD. Don’t understand this obsession with running short yardage out of the shot gun, especially against a bad rushing D line the Cardinals.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

in the Packers/Chiefs game, AJD was gashing the Chiefs for 3-5 YPC. 1st Oackers drive. In the RZ, they hand it to AJD 1st and goal at the 7. Takes it 6 to the 1. At about the 6” line.

Packers dial up a play action TE leak-out.

Now I know it worked. The TE was wide open. touchdown. Yay.

But I’ve seen that play not work. A lot. Taking a sack makes it 3rd & goal at the 5-6-7 yard line. Maybe it doesn’t foot the D & it’s a pick.

I’m just saying. Sometimes ya gotta keep it simple. Hand AJD the ball and I guarantee he punches it in there. Maybe I’m too conservative, but that seemed like adding unnecessary risk to a situation that didn’t need it. KC D was exhausted, and Dillon had fresh legs.

Again - I know it worked. It’s just something I disagreed with.

Marshawn Lynch likely agrees with you.

Cmon, I can sleepwalk that thang to him

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Steelers vs Cardinals:

Game tied 3-3 in the 2nd quarter. Steelers have 4th and goal at the 1 foot line. They go from the shot gun and run a slow developing play to Najee and get shut down. Why not get under center and run a straight dive play? Easy TD. Don’t understand this obsession with running short yardage out of the shot gun, especially against a bad rushing D line the Cardinals.

I see this all the time & call it out every time.

Gun runs on 3rd and short will never not be a terrible idea. You need a yard or less & instead voluntarily elect to have to get 2-3 yards.

It’s just so dumb.

 

[zed2283]

Steelers vs Cardinals:

Game tied 3-3 in the 2nd quarter. Steelers have 4th and goal at the 1 foot line. They go from the shot gun and run a slow developing play to Najee and get shut down. Why not get under center and run a straight dive play? Easy TD. Don’t understand this obsession with running short yardage out of the shot gun, especially against a bad rushing D line the Cardinals.

I see this all the time & call it out every time.

Gun runs on 3rd and short will never not be a terrible idea. You need a yard or less & instead voluntarily elect to have to get 2-3 yards.

It’s just so dumb.

I guess those play callers are the ones calling to ban the tush push.

 

[zed2283]

McDermott continues to be a moron.

 

[UncleZen]

Steelers vs Cardinals:

Game tied 3-3 in the 2nd quarter. Steelers have 4th and goal at the 1 foot line. They go from the shot gun and run a slow developing play to Najee and get shut down. Why not get under center and run a straight dive play? Easy TD. Don’t understand this obsession with running short yardage out of the shot gun, especially against a bad rushing D line the Cardinals.

I see this all the time & call it out every time.

Gun runs on 3rd and short will never not be a terrible idea. You need a yard or less & instead voluntarily elect to have to get 2-3 yards.

It’s just so dumb.

Saw it 3 times today. 2 were runs and failed and 1 was a pass that worked.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

McDermott continues to be a moron.

Assume you mean his clock management around the two-minute warning? That was unbelievable.

Tie game, Bills get a first down at KC 22 with 2:13 remaining. KC has two TOs.

I figure they'll run the ball three times, force the Chiefs to burn their TOs, then kick the FG with about 1:30 left. Instead, Bills call three consecutive pass plays, all of which are incomplete, and end up kicking the FG right out of the two-minute warning, KC still holding both its timeouts.

They still won because KC WRs are a bunch of blockheads, but it was terrible play calling.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Pederson going for 2 when the Jags were down 31-27 inside of 2 minutes left in the game is one of the most head-scratching things I have seen. They didn’t get the onside kick, so it became a moot point.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Pederson going for 2 when the Jags were down 31-27 inside of 2 minutes left in the game is one of the most head-scratching things I have seen. They didn’t get the onside kick, so it became a moot point.

Explanation

It’s similar to the team down 7 that scores late and decides to go for two to win in regulation rather than take their chances in OT. In a vaccuum, it’s basically a 50/50 proposition, since your chances of converting a 2PC and if winning in OT are both a coin flip. You could maybe argue that, since the Jags were on the road, their chances in OT were less than 50/50 so it made more sense to try to win in regulation. But either way it’s close.

ETA: Meant to say it’s 50/50 solely in terms of the 2PC and their chances in OT, but obviously given that they also had to recover an onside kick and put together a scoring drive, their overall WP was way less than 50%

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Pederson going for 2 when the Jags were down 31-27 inside of 2 minutes left in the game is one of the most head-scratching things I have seen. They didn’t get the onside kick, so it became a moot point.

Explanation

It’s similar to the team down 7 that scores late and decides to go for two to win in regulation rather than take their chances in OT. In a vaccuum, it’s basically a 50/50 proposition, since your chances of converting a 2PC and if winning in OT are both a coin flip. You could maybe argue that, since the Jags were on the road, their chances in OT were less than 50/50 so it made more sense to try to win in regulation. But either way it’s close

All this game theory/probability/odds/etc. makes my head hurt. Sometimes it looks and feels right, but other times it does not.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Pederson going for 2 when the Jags were down 31-27 inside of 2 minutes left in the game is one of the most head-scratching things I have seen. They didn’t get the onside kick, so it became a moot point.

Explanation

It’s similar to the team down 7 that scores late and decides to go for two to win in regulation rather than take their chances in OT. In a vaccuum, it’s basically a 50/50 proposition, since your chances of converting a 2PC and if winning in OT are both a coin flip. You could maybe argue that, since the Jags were on the road, their chances in OT were less than 50/50 so it made more sense to try to win in regulation. But either way it’s close

All this game theory/probability/odds/etc. makes my head hurt. Sometimes it looks and feels right, but other times it does not.

Don’t overthink it. It’s really not a math question. It’s just trying to win in regulation rather than in OT

 

[joeschmo]

McDermott continues to be a moron.

Assume you mean his clock management around the two-minute warning? That was unbelievable.

Tie game, Bills get a first down at KC 22 with 2:13 remaining. KC has two TOs.

I figure they'll run the ball three times, force the Chiefs to burn their TOs, then kick the FG with about 1:30 left. Instead, Bills call three consecutive pass plays, all of which are incomplete, and end up kicking the FG right out of the two-minute warning, KC still holding both its timeouts.

They still won because KC WRs are a bunch of blockheads, but it was terrible play calling.

I think it's debatable. Settling for 3 and leaving Mahomes 90 seconds and no time outs isn't exactly game over. If there would be only 30 seconds or something like that left by running, I'd be with you for sure. As it was, I think they were trying to give themselves the best chance of getting a TD, which I think throwing probably did.

The egregious one for me was Shanahan not calling TOs on D at the end of the first half. Seattle starts drive from their own 8 at 1:02 left 2nd qtr. Run for 1, run for 3, half ends. SF leaves 3 TOs on the board. Can't for the life of me imagine why they wouldn't take their TOs there.

 

[scothawk]

I disagreed with everything Pete Carroll did today.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Stop challenging marginal plays where the upside of winning is less than the downside of losing a timeout.

I'm looking at you Sean McDermott. 1st and 10 when you're near midfield and down two TDs. That 9 yard possible reception isn't worth risking the TO. Line up for 2nd and 10.

A poor challenge by Matt LaFleur.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Payton not challenging that third down run by Javonte. For one thing, I think he would have won it. But it was also such a high-leverage situation. Absolutely worth risking a TO on.

And it came back to bite them. Penalty on what would have been a 4th-down TD, and then they kicked the FG (which was also a questionable decision)

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Payton not challenging that third down run by Javonte. For one thing, I think he would have won it. But it was also such a high-leverage situation. Absolutely worth risking a TO on.

And it came back to bite them. Penalty on what would have been a 4th-down TD, and then they kicked the FG (which was also a questionable decision)

Heck, he should have challenged the second down call as well. That one seemed a more obvious TD than the third down one.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Payton not challenging that third down run by Javonte. For one thing, I think he would have won it. But it was also such a high-leverage situation. Absolutely worth risking a TO on.

And it came back to bite them. Penalty on what would have been a 4th-down TD, and then they kicked the FG (which was also a questionable decision)

Heck, he should have challenged the second down call as well. That one seemed a more obvious TD than the third down one.

Interesting that Gene Steratore didn't think either play was a TD. Can't really judge because they didn't show enough replays.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Payton not challenging that third down run by Javonte. For one thing, I think he would have won it. But it was also such a high-leverage situation. Absolutely worth risking a TO on.

And it came back to bite them. Penalty on what would have been a 4th-down TD, and then they kicked the FG (which was also a questionable decision)

Heck, he should have challenged the second down call as well. That one seemed a more obvious TD than the third down one.

Interesting that Gene Steratore didn't think either play was a TD. Can't really judge because they didn't show enough replays.

He thought the second down one probably was but the third down one was not.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Payton punting from his own 45 down 35-10 in the 4th quarter. It's OK, you'll get those four scores eventually

 

[Stoneworker]

Payton not challenging that third down run by Javonte. For one thing, I think he would have won it. But it was also such a high-leverage situation. Absolutely worth risking a TO on.

And it came back to bite them. Penalty on what would have been a 4th-down TD, and then they kicked the FG (which was also a questionable decision)

Russ ran the next play with 18 seconds left on the play clock. It's doubtful Payton had time to get a good enough look at the (limited) replays. Ditto the play before on Jaleel's (non)-TD. Probably explains (though doesn't justify) why Payton exploded on the sidelines after the penalty

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

OK, not totally sure of this, but I believe Seattle made a mistake with their TO usage.

Philly's trying to run out the clock. They get stopped on 2nd and 7 with 2:54 left, Seattle holding one timeout. If Carroll calls timeout there and Seahawks get an incomplete pass on 3rd down, they get the ball back with about 2:30 and no timeouts. Instead, they kept the timeout but got it back with less than two minutes.

Wouldn't the former be preferable?

 

[Pip's Invitation]

OK, not totally sure of this, but I believe Seattle made a mistake with their TO usage.

Philly's trying to run out the clock. They get stopped on 2nd and 7 with 2:54 left, Seattle holding one timeout. If Carroll calls timeout there and Seahawks get an incomplete pass on 3rd down, they get the ball back with about 2:30 and no timeouts. Instead, they kept the timeout but got it back with less than two minutes.

Wouldn't the former be preferable?

Doesn't matter when you're facing the Eagles' secondary.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Soooooo you have 3 TOs, and you need a FG.

You…throw to the sidelines like you don’t have any TOs?

Then after a long run where you only need like 10-15 yards for the FG attempt you throw a bomb into double coverage?

Wut?

 

[Gally]

Soooooo you have 3 TOs, and you need a FG.

You…throw to the sidelines like you don’t have any TOs?

Then after a long run where you only need like 10-15 yards for the FG attempt you throw a bomb into double coverage?

Wut?

Just dumb all the way around but not sure if that was coaching decisions or Hurts decisions. Either way just dumb. (I may or may not have needed Wagner to get a couple more tackles or a PD to help extend a lead to put it out of stat correction zone so middle of the field plays would be much more preferred).

Also - I am not so sure that was an interception. They only showed the replay once from the field side of the play and it didn't look like Love's toe hit the ground. It was damn close but they never did the zoom in or slow mo to get a better idea. Maybe it was obvious if those were done but at quick glance for the one full speed replay they showed it sure looked like there was daylight between the toe and ground. (not a coaching decision but still wanted to mention it).

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Soooooo you have 3 TOs, and you need a FG.

You…throw to the sidelines like you don’t have any TOs?

Then after a long run where you only need like 10-15 yards for the FG attempt you throw a bomb into double coverage?

Wut?

Just dumb all the way around but not sure if that was coaching decisions or Hurts decisions. Either way just dumb. (I may or may not have needed Wagner to get a couple more tackles or a PD to help extend a lead to put it out of stat correction zone so middle of the field plays would be much more preferred).

Also - I am not so sure that was an interception. They only showed the replay once from the field side of the play and it didn't look like Love's toe hit the ground. It was damn close but they never did the zoom in or slow mo to get a better idea. Maybe it was obvious if those were done but at quick glance for the one full speed replay they showed it sure looked like there was daylight between the toe and ground. (not a coaching decision but still wanted to mention it).

I think his toe did hit the ground, but I agree the replay wasn't totally conclusive. Given that they called it an INT on the field, there was no way they were going to have enough evidence to overturn it

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Also - I am not so sure that was an interception. They only showed the replay once from the field side of the play and it didn't look like Love's toe hit the ground. It was damn close but they never did the zoom in or slow mo to get a better idea. Maybe it was obvious if those were done but at quick glance for the one full speed replay they showed it sure looked like there was daylight between the toe and ground. (not a coaching decision but still wanted to mention it).

That’s not true. I’ve seen a couple people say this. Maybe your network feed cut to commercial or the booth, but on mine they showed it several times, from 3 angles. He caught the ball with his foot planted, and his second foot clearly contacted the ground. The “third foot” came down OOB.

They got the call right. It was a remarkable catch, but it was a catch.

 

[Gally]

That’s not true. I’ve seen a couple people say this. Maybe your network feed cut to commercial or the booth, but on mine they showed it several times, from 3 angles. He caught the ball with his foot planted, and his second foot clearly contacted the ground. The “third foot” came down OOB.

They got the call right. It was a remarkable catch, but it was a catch.

They showed lots of replays, but they only showed the one angle that gave me pause one time. That is what I was referring to. The other angles (which they showed multiple times) looked like his toe touched but the angle I am referring to gave me some doubt. It looked like it never got to the ground. If I find it and can post it I will.

Again, I don't think it was conclusive either way which means it should stay as called on the field.

 

[Tau837]

That’s not true. I’ve seen a couple people say this. Maybe your network feed cut to commercial or the booth, but on mine they showed it several times, from 3 angles. He caught the ball with his foot planted, and his second foot clearly contacted the ground. The “third foot” came down OOB.

They got the call right. It was a remarkable catch, but it was a catch.

They showed lots of replays, but they only showed the one angle that gave me pause one time. That is what I was referring to. The other angles (which they showed multiple times) looked like his toe touched but the angle I am referring to gave me some doubt. It looked like it never got to the ground. If I find it and can post it I will.

Again, I don't think it was conclusive either way which means it should stay as called on the field.

Watching all of the replays at the time, I thought it was conclusive that both feet touched in bounds and it was a pick. I did not think there was any doubt about it.

 

[CalBear]

Soooooo you have 3 TOs, and you need a FG.

You…throw to the sidelines like you don’t have any TOs?

Then after a long run where you only need like 10-15 yards for the FG attempt you throw a bomb into double coverage?

Wut?

Both INTs were on Hurts. On the end zone throw on the previous possession, you don't need a TD. You don't even need to score. You certainly don't need to throw up a 40-yard jump ball to your third-best receiver.

On the game-ending INT, Philly did need to score, and a TD would be a lot better than a FG. So taking a shot there makes sense, and at least Hurts was throwing to Brown who'll win a lot of jump ball situations. But Hurts read the coverage wrong.