Post NFL Draft 25 Survivor (2 Viewers)

[Ministry of Pain]

Round 21
Anthony Armstrong UDFA - Miami Dolphins, led the SEC in receiving yds last season, think that's right.
@rzrback77 should know this kid
78/1140 and only 1 TD but the Razorbacks run the ball a lot and especially inside the redzone, 10-yd line, not a lot of opportunities for TDs

I like his upside and Miami is in flux right now, they don't know what they are doing. Trade Hill and Ramsey, yeah that will make the team better...please!
Miami has very little behind Hill and Waddle, if they traded Hill as he has asked them to do and if Waddle gets injured again, there's a path here for him IMHO
In 2025? Not sure but long term or 2026, this kid has a shot.

Round 22
Xavier Restrepo UDFA -Titans brought him in because of his link to Cam Ward.
69/1127/11 TDs, I feel pretty strongly he will make the team. They are running a similar offense to what Cam had at Miami, makes sense to bring Restrepo into the fold
He's not straight line fast but he's quick in short or limited space and has really good hands, good inside the 10 yd line, nice find in Rd 22

Just trying to take a few more swings at WR where you can flex up to 3 off your bench if they perform
I swear that Armstrong wasn't loaded into the site until we got to about Round 18, I couldn't find him anywhere and was going to ask if UDFA were not available in this draft
But I found them and I am surprised Xavier went undrafted but it might work out better for him, this is his best chance to make an impression on the NFL

 

[rzrback77]

@Ministry of Pain Anderson is a really effective football player, but pretty slow. Definitely a sure handed receiver, but not sure he handles the step up well. Surely hoping that he does well. WPS!

 

[BassNBrew]

Was pretty happy to get Dyami Brown last round. Lead candidate for WR 2.5 in Jax. I say 2.5, because he's there #2 when Hunter is resting.

 

[rzrback77]

Was close to taking Dyami Brown with my previous pick.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Presenting for the first time in its entirety ... Team Schrödinger! (I'll explain later.)

Herbert, Justin LAC QB      12    6.05
Fields, Justin NYJ QB        9    8.05
Milroe, Jalen SEA QB (R)     8    21.12

I'm happy with this trio although I'm almost certainly higher on each of them individually than most. Herbert gives me floor - he was 5th in PFF grading while being 15th in attempts, neither of which should remotely surprise anyone - while the other two guys offer no floor at all but massive ceiling. If Herbert misses significant time I'm probably borked, but that's usually the case for most QB1s in a 16-teamer, so I can live with it. Speaking of which ... if you look at Fields and Milroe side-by-side on my roster and the first image that pops into your head isn't Dr. Evil and Mini-Me, I don't know what to tell you.

Achane, De'Von MIA RB        12     1.12
Robinson, Brian WAS RB       12     7.12
Mason, Jordan MIN RB          6    10.05
Tuten, Bhayshul JAC RB (R)    8    12.05
Wright, Jaylen MIA RB        12    16.05
Mitchell, Keaton BAL RB       7    19.12

I pretty much exclusively roll with a hero-RB strategy in best-ball these days, so this is on-brand for me. Achane is never gonna be a 90% snap count guy, but I'll sacrifice 300 carries for 70-80 catches and 30+ point upside in any given week. B-Rob is the polar opposite - his next 30-point week will be his first - but also no competition past a 50-year-old Ekeler. The obvious downside of this unit: the other four guys are all just blurry Xerox copies of Achane. I almost need at least one of them to rip off a big play or two each week or I'm gonna be stuck mix-and-matching 2/26/0 lines from my WR5-6-7 in my flex spots. I like a lot of these dudes individually, but as a crew the floor here is scary, and my top 2 sharing a bye with my QB1 does me no favors.

London, Drake ATL WR        5    2.05
Higgins, Tee CIN WR         10    3.12
McMillan, Tetairoa CAR WR (R) 14    5.12
Downs, Josh IND WR         11    9.12
Higgins, Jayden HOU WR (R)  6    14.05
Noel, Jaylin HOU WR (R)      6    18.05
Royals, Jalen KCC WR (R)    10    20.05
Washington, Malik MIA WR    12    22.05

Spent a fair amount of early-round capital at WR assuming I'd have to ignore it for a while, since useful QBs and TEs typically all vanish by about round 8. None of my top 3 will be must-haves for me in redraft, but once you get past the top 6-8 WRs I consider the next 20-25 pretty interchangeable so was fine just going BPA at the position each time. Downs may be my favorite value on my roster ... he's caught 140 balls in 2 years despite some of the worst QB play of the 21st century because he's just always open. No idea how the Texans' WR room is going to shake out but I imagine one of this pair will make some noise, unless their plan is to force-feed 130 targets to Dalton Schultz or something. Hopefully I'll be able to lean on Royals for a couple ceiling weeks and Malik for a couple floor weeks to dodge a bullet or two during the season but I don't expect much more than that. Overall this is by far my favorite unit - if my RB room is less than the sum of its parts (and it is) this one feels like quite a bit more.

Hockenson, T.J. MIN TE        6    4.05
Sanders, Ja'Tavion CAR TE    14    11.12
Arroyo, Elijah SEA TE (R)     8    15.12

Hock isn't going to command alpha targets in any huddle with Justin Jefferson but I expect him to be a pretty good fantasy weapon as a security blanket for McCarthy. Especially in a 1.5PPR format I would've very much liked one more reliable depth piece but. whoops, @Stinkin Ref took them all. I do think the Panthers' offense is getting slept on big-time for fantasy and don't mind owning multiple pieces of that passing game ... which is not a statement I would have ever expected to make, say, 8 months ago. I know zilch about Arroyo but both DK and Lockett are out the door and Klint Kubiak has a history of peppering his TEs, so he's as good a blind dice roll as any I guess. Probably my weakest group but, hey, it's 16 teams, everyone's gonna have holes somewhere.

Chiefs, Kansas City KCC Def    10    13.12
Saints, New Orleans NOS Def    11    17.12

The Chiefs should be good. The Saints should be bad. Rinse and repeat.

* * *
Normally I walk out of these drafts with all sorts of woulda, coulda, shouldas about how my favorite sleepers kept getting sniped just ahead of me, or how I got stuck at one end and missed out on all the positional runs, or something like that. So it's definitely weird that I feel like this draft ... broke almost perfectly for me? None of the runs left me hung out to dry, and even when Nittany and MOP targeted the same position I did they always went for different names.

Given all that I should feel like my squad is head and shoulders, no, ten times better than anyone else's and that you're all just battling it out for second. But of course I don't, because even with catching all the breaks I did the thing I always do ... stuff my roster full of ceiling plays, raw talent, and flashy rookies instead of guys who reliably, you know, score fantasy points. For consistent weekly production past the top 6 rounds I've got B-Rob, Downs, annnnnd that's about it. Of course it's only May, and who knows where all my rookies and sophs are going to wind up on their depth charts 4 months from now?

In other words, this is Schrödinger's Team: It's either really, really good or hilariously bad ... and there'll be no way to know which until Labor Day. Personally, I hope 2025 comes to be forever known as the NFL's Year of the Ja[y]len!

Love the new league format BTW, and as always this was a blast. BOL to everyone this season.

 

[Biabreakable]

8.08 120 McCarthy, J.J. MIN QB

9.09 137 Rodgers, Aaron NYJ QB

19.09 297 Winston, Jameis NYG QB

20.08 312 Rattler, Spencer NOS QB



Vikings homer so obviously I value McCarthy a lot. I think the community is sleeping on him. Not Mike Clay who has him finishing as QB 11 in fantasy points.

I hate Aaron Rodgers/ If he plays he likely puts up some points. Jameis is an adventure but he will score if he gets to play. Rattler might be the QB for the Saints?

I mostly expect McCarthy to be my highest scorer but these other QB could have spike weeks that are better.

3.09 41 Hampton, Omarion LAC RB (R)

12.08 184 Hunt, Kareem KCC RB

13.09 201 Moss, Zack CIN RB (Q)

14.08 216 Neal, Devin NOS RB (R)

18.08 280 Corum, Blake LAR RB (Q)



I didn’t invest much in RB in this draft mainly because so many had been drafted before I really even wanted to consider one. I would have liked to wait more in fact but I did jump on the chance to get Harbaughs primary RB. I expect him to do well even though I was somewhat turned off by him as a fit for the Vikings. Not worried about the fit with Harbaugh.

Took my 2nd RB at pick 184. There wasn’t much left. Hunt is part of the Chiefs although looking at their offense they really don’t have much besides Mahomes and Kelce is fading. There is room for new stars here. I don’t think Hunt is that but he is something Andy Reid can pretty much rely on to make plays when they need them.

Zach Moss is the backup sure but I still expect him to be involved.

Devin Neal I drafted because I like his style, he is a one cut shlasher with good footwork and change of direction ability. He was not drafted as highly as many people had him graded (3rd round prospect) and the NFL has so much more information than any of us do. So I of course have to wonder about what these things might be. But he didn’t stop being a good RB in my eyes. I think there is some opportunity here as Neal is a very different RB than Kamara.

Blake Corum in another RB highly regarded as a rookie prospect but forgotten about now since the Rams do not have their back up RB touch the ball much. I think this RB is pretty good though and if there is an injury to Williams he might get the ball a lot



1.09 9 St. Brown, Amon-Ra DET WR

2.08 24 McLaurin, Terry WAS WR

5.09 73 Diggs, Stefon NEP WR (Q)

6.08 88 Addison, Jordan MIN WR

17.09 265 Felton, Tai MIN WR (R)

21.09 329 Jones, Zay ARI WR



This is where I invested the most knowing we must start 3 of them and having more good WR is still very favorable. I did want to return to drafted WR sooner than I did after the first 4 but man they got picked over and I felt I might as well take a player less Meh than the WR who were still available picks 100-200

Brown is a stud.

McClaurin finally showing his upside now that he has Daniels throwing to him. Been a fan a long time.

Stefon Diggs is a guy I will ride or die with.

Jordan Addision I thought lasted too long based on what he has shown himself capable of already. The suspension is the main reason why. I felt I got a bargain with him at 88. I end up covering the possible suspension by drafting Tai Felton at 265. He might have some value in his own right but I could also see an uptick in snaps ect is Addision is suspended. So I kind of looked at this pick as insurance for that also.

Zay Jones. Ive been a mild fan of this guy his whole career. He isn’t great and I don’t expect much but this was my 2nd to last pick in this draft. Really not much available after 300.

I like this WR group. If I had known that defenses cannot count as flex I likely would have drafted a WR after my first 4 much sooner instead of a 2nd defense.



4.08 56 Andrews, Mark BAL TE

7.09 105 Gesicki, Mike CIN TE

16.08 248 Fannin, Harold CLE TE (R)

22.08 344 Trautman, Adam DEN TE

While I wanted TJ Hockenson I am just fine with Mark Andrews instead. Both seem to be in the top 5 TE conversation and similarly valued player. Also still Purple!!

Gesicki hasn’t lived up to his potential but he is decent and he plays with a good QB.

Harold Fannin is more of a WR in my view than a TE. The Browns could use someone to catch the ball. He seemed like a better shot than any of the rookie WR I looked at that point of the drafdt.

Traintman another pretty high draft pick whos been a disappointment. But if Engram gets hurt he knows the offense and is likely next guy up.

I think this group could be strong enough to score one of my flex spots each week.



10.08 152 Vikings, Minnesota MIN Def

11.09 169 Ravens, Baltimore BAL Def

15.09 233 Browns, Cleveland CLE Def



I think I got boned a little bit by defenses not being able to score in a flex spot. Which at the time I put these predraft picks in that is what I was thinking. The average expected points of the good defense was way way better than any of the crap skill players left available at that point of the draft.

I am still very happy I got 2 of the defenses I think will be in the top 5 and if they both do perform well this should be a strength that helps a lot.

I was expecting a run on defenses too because of my misunderstanding. When that didn’t happen I was puzzled. The defenses no doubt were scoring more than the skill guys at that point. I was a bit perplexed by the run not happening and I decided to grab another defense.

I like this team a lot actually although I can see ways where it maybe could have been better.

Thanks for inviting me its been a fun experience!

(Now after all that fluff some real talk)

 

[BassNBrew]

8.08 120 McCarthy, J.J. MIN QB

9.09 137 Rodgers, Aaron NYJ QB

19.09 297 Winston, Jameis NYG QB

20.08 312 Rattler, Spencer NOS QB



Vikings homer so obviously I value McCarthy a lot. I think the community is sleeping on him. Not Mike Clay who has him finishing as QB 11 in fantasy points.

I hate Aaron Rodgers/ If he plays he likely puts up some points. Jameis is an adventure but he will score if he gets to play. Rattler might be the QB for the Saints?

I mostly expect McCarthy to be my highest scorer but these other QB could have spike weeks that are better.

3.09 41 Hampton, Omarion LAC RB (R)

12.08 184 Hunt, Kareem KCC RB

13.09 201 Moss, Zack CIN RB (Q)

14.08 216 Neal, Devin NOS RB (R)

18.08 280 Corum, Blake LAR RB (Q)



I didn’t invest much in RB in this draft mainly because so many had been drafted before I really even wanted to consider one. I would have liked to wait more in fact but I did jump on the chance to get Harbaughs primary RB. I expect him to do well even though I was somewhat turned off by him as a fit for the Vikings. Not worried about the fit with Harbaugh.

Took my 2nd RB at pick 184. There wasn’t much left. Hunt is part of the Chiefs although looking at their offense they really don’t have much besides Mahomes and Kelce is fading. There is room for new stars here. I don’t think Hunt is that but he is something Andy Reid can pretty much rely on to make plays when they need them.

Zach Moss is the backup sure but I still expect him to be involved.

Devin Neal I drafted because I like his style, he is a one cut shlasher with good footwork and change of direction ability. He was not drafted as highly as many people had him graded (3rd round prospect) and the NFL has so much more information than any of us do. So I of course have to wonder about what these things might be. But he didn’t stop being a good RB in my eyes. I think there is some opportunity here as Neal is a very different RB than Kamara.

Blake Corum in another RB highly regarded as a rookie prospect but forgotten about now since the Rams do not have their back up RB touch the ball much. I think this RB is pretty good though and if there is an injury to Williams he might get the ball a lot



1.09 9 St. Brown, Amon-Ra DET WR

2.08 24 McLaurin, Terry WAS WR

5.09 73 Diggs, Stefon NEP WR (Q)

6.08 88 Addison, Jordan MIN WR

17.09 265 Felton, Tai MIN WR (R)

21.09 329 Jones, Zay ARI WR



This is where I invested the most knowing we must start 3 of them and having more good WR is still very favorable. I did want to return to drafted WR sooner than I did after the first 4 but man they got picked over and I felt I might as well take a player less Meh than the WR who were still available picks 100-200

Brown is a stud.

McClaurin finally showing his upside now that he has Daniels throwing to him. Been a fan a long time.

Stefon Diggs is a guy I will ride or die with.

Jordan Addision I thought lasted too long based on what he has shown himself capable of already. The suspension is the main reason why. I felt I got a bargain with him at 88. I end up covering the possible suspension by drafting Tai Felton at 265. He might have some value in his own right but I could also see an uptick in snaps ect is Addision is suspended. So I kind of looked at this pick as insurance for that also.

Zay Jones. Ive been a mild fan of this guy his whole career. He isn’t great and I don’t expect much but this was my 2nd to last pick in this draft. Really not much available after 300.

I like this WR group. If I had known that defenses cannot count as flex I likely would have drafted a WR after my first 4 much sooner instead of a 2nd defense.



4.08 56 Andrews, Mark BAL TE

7.09 105 Gesicki, Mike CIN TE

16.08 248 Fannin, Harold CLE TE (R)

22.08 344 Trautman, Adam DEN TE

While I wanted TJ Hockenson I am just fine with Mark Andrews instead. Both seem to be in the top 5 TE conversation and similarly valued player. Also still Purple!!

Gesicki hasn’t lived up to his potential but he is decent and he plays with a good QB.

Harold Fannin is more of a WR in my view than a TE. The Browns could use someone to catch the ball. He seemed like a better shot than any of the rookie WR I looked at that point of the drafdt.

Traintman another pretty high draft pick whos been a disappointment. But if Engram gets hurt he knows the offense and is likely next guy up.

I think this group could be strong enough to score one of my flex spots each week.



10.08 152 Vikings, Minnesota MIN Def

11.09 169 Ravens, Baltimore BAL Def

15.09 233 Browns, Cleveland CLE Def



I think I got boned a little bit by defenses not being able to score in a flex spot. Which at the time I put these predraft picks in that is what I was thinking. The average expected points of the good defense was way way better than any of the crap skill players left available at that point of the draft.

I am still very happy I got 2 of the defenses I think will be in the top 5 and if they both do perform well this should be a strength that helps a lot.

I was expecting a run on defenses too because of my misunderstanding. When that didn’t happen I was puzzled. The defenses no doubt were scoring more than the skill guys at that point. I was a bit perplexed by the run not happening and I decided to grab another defense.

I like this team a lot actually although I can see ways where it maybe could have been better.

Thanks for inviting me its been a fun experience!

(Now after all that fluff some real talk)

You'll probably get more from the third D than a random practice squad WR.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

@Ministry of Pain Anderson is a really effective football player, but pretty slow. Definitely a sure handed receiver, but not sure he handles the step up well. Surely hoping that he does well. WPS!

Restrepo ran a 4.8/40 time, how slow we talking?

 

[renesauz]

4.09 Nix 14
10.09 Wilson 12
13.08 Dart 12

I think Nix is a bit under-rated right now, and was very happy to grab him at that point as my QB1. Kid looked great last year. I don't know if Wilson can keep the job all year but I got caught on the wrong end of the QB2 run and I did grab Dart as insurance. Not my best group but no bye issue and if I'm right about Nix it should be ok at least

1.08 Jeanty 9
3.08 Kamara 11
8.08 Rachaad White 9
16.09 Gainwell 5
18.09 Estime 12
20.09 A. Gibson 14

After Jeanty and Kamara I clearly felt pretty good and waited a while to come back to the well. It was uncomfortable drafting a rookie mid first round, but kid appears to be a generational type talent. Barring injury, he's clearly going to garner the lions share of the RB carries too. Kamar needs to stay upright and hopefully start catching some passes again. Price seemed appropriate. LOVE White in the 8th. Gainwell is a polarizing player. I always felt he was under-appreciated in Philly, especially by my fellow Eagles fans. Most see him a JAG, but the truth is he does everything reasonably well, including block. Most people seem to think Kaleb Johnson will walk into the backup role...I disagree. Warren hasn't been all that impressive either. It wouldn't shock me if Gainwell ended up the most valuable RB in Pittsburgh at seasons end. No real downside in the 16th...he'll score for me a couple times I think even if he ends up the third guy in a three headed committee. Estime is a dice roll with some upside, and Gibson will also produce if he gets the opportunity....he may not though. Overall I feel this is a strong group.

2.09 AJ Brown 9
5.08 Chris Godwin 9
6.09 Olave 11
11.08 Wan. Robinson 14
17.08 Brandin Cooks 11
19.08 Noah Brown 12
21.08 Curtis Samuel 7
22.09 Kalif Raymond 8

I go back and forth with this group. The top 3 can go up against almost any other top 3 in this league, but the depth seems very boom/bust on any given week, and only Robinson seems to offer any hope of becoming more then a rare contributor. I did like the value of Noah Brown and Raymond where I got them.

7.08 Ertz 12
9.08 Okonkwo 10
15.08 Knox 7

This is one area that it seemed every other round I had a guy or two pre drafted only to see them sniped in the few picks before my own. Ertz is a bit scary as #1 at his age, but Daniels and he connected very well last year and he showed he can still be very productive when healthy. I honestly know next to nothing about Okonkwo, he was just the highest ranked at that point and I didn't want to wait on more TEs. Pretty sure I had another higher that got sniped (Likely and Henry were taken the two picks prior). Knox seems like he should produce more then he has. Regardless I expect he'll contribute several times in this format. Feel like I'm ok here, especially considering no premium picks were invested.

12.09 LA Chargers, 14.09 San Fran

Meh. Didn't get a top Defense, but did get two solid ones with different byes.

Overall I like how I ended up. Was frequently frustrated and sniped during this one though. MANY rounds I pre-picked 4-7 out and saw my top 3 or 4 guys all drafted ahead of me. The schedule didn't hurt me much...week 9 is a little bit rough but not awful. At least my top 2 guys at every position were split up. In the end my fate is likely tied most closely to Bo Nix. If he can crack top 10 QB scoring I should do ok. If he suffers a bad sophomore slump it will be tougher to cover up my QB room

 

[Stinkin Ref]

8.08 120 McCarthy, J.J. MIN QB

9.09 137 Rodgers, Aaron NYJ QB

19.09 297 Winston, Jameis NYG QB

20.08 312 Rattler, Spencer NOS QB



Vikings homer so obviously I value McCarthy a lot. I think the community is sleeping on him. Not Mike Clay who has him finishing as QB 11 in fantasy points.

I hate Aaron Rodgers/ If he plays he likely puts up some points. Jameis is an adventure but he will score if he gets to play. Rattler might be the QB for the Saints?

I mostly expect McCarthy to be my highest scorer but these other QB could have spike weeks that are better.

3.09 41 Hampton, Omarion LAC RB (R)

12.08 184 Hunt, Kareem KCC RB

13.09 201 Moss, Zack CIN RB (Q)

14.08 216 Neal, Devin NOS RB (R)

18.08 280 Corum, Blake LAR RB (Q)



I didn’t invest much in RB in this draft mainly because so many had been drafted before I really even wanted to consider one. I would have liked to wait more in fact but I did jump on the chance to get Harbaughs primary RB. I expect him to do well even though I was somewhat turned off by him as a fit for the Vikings. Not worried about the fit with Harbaugh.

Took my 2nd RB at pick 184. There wasn’t much left. Hunt is part of the Chiefs although looking at their offense they really don’t have much besides Mahomes and Kelce is fading. There is room for new stars here. I don’t think Hunt is that but he is something Andy Reid can pretty much rely on to make plays when they need them.

Zach Moss is the backup sure but I still expect him to be involved.

Devin Neal I drafted because I like his style, he is a one cut shlasher with good footwork and change of direction ability. He was not drafted as highly as many people had him graded (3rd round prospect) and the NFL has so much more information than any of us do. So I of course have to wonder about what these things might be. But he didn’t stop being a good RB in my eyes. I think there is some opportunity here as Neal is a very different RB than Kamara.

Blake Corum in another RB highly regarded as a rookie prospect but forgotten about now since the Rams do not have their back up RB touch the ball much. I think this RB is pretty good though and if there is an injury to Williams he might get the ball a lot



1.09 9 St. Brown, Amon-Ra DET WR

2.08 24 McLaurin, Terry WAS WR

5.09 73 Diggs, Stefon NEP WR (Q)

6.08 88 Addison, Jordan MIN WR

17.09 265 Felton, Tai MIN WR (R)

21.09 329 Jones, Zay ARI WR



This is where I invested the most knowing we must start 3 of them and having more good WR is still very favorable. I did want to return to drafted WR sooner than I did after the first 4 but man they got picked over and I felt I might as well take a player less Meh than the WR who were still available picks 100-200

Brown is a stud.

McClaurin finally showing his upside now that he has Daniels throwing to him. Been a fan a long time.

Stefon Diggs is a guy I will ride or die with.

Jordan Addision I thought lasted too long based on what he has shown himself capable of already. The suspension is the main reason why. I felt I got a bargain with him at 88. I end up covering the possible suspension by drafting Tai Felton at 265. He might have some value in his own right but I could also see an uptick in snaps ect is Addision is suspended. So I kind of looked at this pick as insurance for that also.

Zay Jones. Ive been a mild fan of this guy his whole career. He isn’t great and I don’t expect much but this was my 2nd to last pick in this draft. Really not much available after 300.

I like this WR group. If I had known that defenses cannot count as flex I likely would have drafted a WR after my first 4 much sooner instead of a 2nd defense.



4.08 56 Andrews, Mark BAL TE

7.09 105 Gesicki, Mike CIN TE

16.08 248 Fannin, Harold CLE TE (R)

22.08 344 Trautman, Adam DEN TE

While I wanted TJ Hockenson I am just fine with Mark Andrews instead. Both seem to be in the top 5 TE conversation and similarly valued player. Also still Purple!!

Gesicki hasn’t lived up to his potential but he is decent and he plays with a good QB.

Harold Fannin is more of a WR in my view than a TE. The Browns could use someone to catch the ball. He seemed like a better shot than any of the rookie WR I looked at that point of the drafdt.

Traintman another pretty high draft pick whos been a disappointment. But if Engram gets hurt he knows the offense and is likely next guy up.

I think this group could be strong enough to score one of my flex spots each week.



10.08 152 Vikings, Minnesota MIN Def

11.09 169 Ravens, Baltimore BAL Def

15.09 233 Browns, Cleveland CLE Def



I think I got boned a little bit by defenses not being able to score in a flex spot. Which at the time I put these predraft picks in that is what I was thinking. The average expected points of the good defense was way way better than any of the crap skill players left available at that point of the draft.

I am still very happy I got 2 of the defenses I think will be in the top 5 and if they both do perform well this should be a strength that helps a lot.

I was expecting a run on defenses too because of my misunderstanding. When that didn’t happen I was puzzled. The defenses no doubt were scoring more than the skill guys at that point. I was a bit perplexed by the run not happening and I decided to grab another defense.

I like this team a lot actually although I can see ways where it maybe could have been better.

Thanks for inviting me its been a fun experience!

(Now after all that fluff some real talk)

You'll probably get more from the third D than a random practice squad WR.

Captain Obvious called and he wants his FF take back....

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

@BassNBrew otc

down the stretch they go!!

 

[Stinkin Ref]

why did Bass's pick get skipped?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

REF:

21.06 Dameon Pierce RB89 HOU 14

At this point in the draft I kind of veered away from rankings I was seeing and started looking at depth charts. I know those will change a ton before September, but it’s just another view of things. I kind of started doing that around round 15 or so and it led to some of my picks down the stretch like Mostert/Lazard/Johnson. Pierce was another one of those. There is some noise about Marks in HOU but as of now Pierce looks like the #2 guy behind Mixon. Pierce has shown he can handle a workload and should get some touches and I need some extra options at this position since it is easily the weakness of the team.

22.11 DJ Giddens RB91 IND 14

Rinse and repeat as far as the method behind the madness. FBG has him as RB2 right now behind Taylor and ahead of Herbert. We will see what happens. Dug around a little and see no reason why he shouldn’t keep that spot over Herbert and offer some opportunities for a score here and there. These last wo picks also have late byes which keeps some extra darts in the air for me through most of the season. Kind of feel lucky to snag two guys currently/possibly #2’s on their teams with my last two picks.

2.11 Josh Allen QB1 BUF 7
8.11 Jordan Love QB19 GB 5

Pretty strong duo that should keep me in the running at this position most weeks.

5.06 Aaron Jones RB26 MIN 6
10.11 Cam Skattebo RB43 NYG 14
11.06 Jaydon Blue RB46 DAL 10
13.06 Tank Bigsby RB54 JAC 8
15.06 Raheem Mostert RB64 LVR 8
21.06 Dameon Pierce RB89 HOU 14
22.11 DJ Giddens RB91 IND 14

While easily the weakest position on my team (not counting DST) I have 7 darts deployed and only need two scores. Don’t really see any flex coming out of this group, but if I hit on a rookie or two and see some injuries to the guys in front of my guys, things start looking a little better.

1.06 Justin Jefferson WR2 MIN 6
3.06 Davante Adams WR18 LAR 8
12.11 DeAndre Hopkins WR 68 BAL 7
14.11 Xavier Legette WR76 CAR 14
17.06 Darius Slayton WR85 NYG 14
18.11 Devaughn Vele WR93 DEN 12
19.06 Alan Lazard WR100 NYJ 9
20.11 Diontae Johnson WR111 CLE 9

Thought about adding a 9th in one of the last two rounds but felt my RB position needed it more. I need three scores here and maybe a flex or two every once in a while, but expecting my TE’s to carry the load there. While I didn’t invest much here after the top two I feel I was able to piece together some decent options late in the draft. If one or both of top two get hurt, I’ll be in serious trouble.

4.11 Travis Kelce TE7 KC 10
6.11 Colston Loveland TE13 CHI 5
7.06 Dallas Goedert TE19 PHI 9
9.06 Hunter Henry TE23 NE 14

Obviously invested heavily in the position here. In past years with 2 PPR there is no way this happens, but was able to put together a pretty decent group here. 66 receptions is like a 100 reception RB or WR. I expect that to be the floor for all of these guys with the ceiling much higher for some. People want to bury Kelce and he did seem to slow down in the playoffs but he also still had 97 receptions during the regular season. Goedert had 42 in about 9 games. If this group stays healthy and Loveland is a big of a piece as the #10 pick says he should be, I should make some hay here.

16.11 Arizona Cardinals DST22 8

I believe they spent all of the draft picks on DST and the consensus seems to be that this unit should be improved. As mentioned it feels like only having one in this new format shouldn’t be the kill shot it maybe used to be.

Overall: really enjoyed the draft, some quality drafters in here as usual and appreciate the new blood. Think I’d like to see Team PK introduced to spice things up a little in the future. I took a different approach in this draft and we will see how it shakes out. I could be eliminated pretty easily with some of the holes on the team, but hoping I did enough with decent late quantity with a little quality late to help cover some warts. Hope to have some time to take a look at the other teams. These are always fun and I can’t wait for the next one. Will probably tee up the BTSW Summer of Love league again later and hope all of you participate. Best of luck to all of you and have a great summer. Go Chiefs!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Whenever y'all start the next one, I'd like to partcipate again.
Traveling the first 2 weeks of June through Colorado, will be off the grid by design

-When I saw the list of GMs participating, I wanted to participate, there's not a single one of you I don't enjoy posting back and forth, sharing ideas in the Shark Pool
Very thankful and I learned a lot which many of you will see throughout my summer posts

MoP Rookie Camp opens next week, half my roster is rookies
2 of my top 3 RBs are rookies
A lot of my bench is rookies, I even found 2 UDFAs I drafted in 21 and 22
I tried to stay away from a lot of old players that are not likely to have a resurgence in their careers

​

Allen, Keenan CHI WR

Armstrong, Andrew MIA WR (R)

Ayomanor, Elic TEN WR (R)

Egbuka, Emeka TBB WR (R)

Golden, Matthew GBP WR (R)

Harris, Tre LAC WR (R)

Jeudy, Jerry CLE WR

Mitchell, Adonai IND WR

Nacua, Puka LAR WR

Restrepo, Xavier TEN WR (R)

​

 

[BassNBrew]

why did Bass's pick get skipped?

I was stuck between two players and didn't have time to study things so I just skipped my pick to speed up things. Pick is now in.

 

[-OZ-]

Whenever y'all start the next one, I'd like to partcipate again.

August?

This one took 17 days. Next, with fewer rounds, could take 2 weeks. If we gave some buffer, we could aim to get done Sep 1. Two weeks prior starts August 18. Conveniently, we get back from a back to school retreat on the 17th.

If people want to do one earlier on top of that, I’ll be interested.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Whenever y'all start the next one, I'd like to partcipate again.

August?

This one took 17 days. Next, with fewer rounds, could take 2 weeks. If we gave some buffer, we could aim to get done Sep 1. Two weeks prior starts August 18. Conveniently, we get back from a back to school retreat on the 17th.

If people want to do one earlier on top of that, I’ll be interested.

Sign me up for sure. If y’all want to do a straight best-ball instead of survivor later on I’d endorse that also.

 

[Biabreakable]

4.09 Nix 14
10.09 Wilson 12
13.08 Dart 12

I think Nix is a bit under-rated right now, and was very happy to grab him at that point as my QB1. Kid looked great last year. I don't know if Wilson can keep the job all year but I got caught on the wrong end of the QB2 run and I did grab Dart as insurance. Not my best group but no bye issue and if I'm right about Nix it should be ok at least

1.08 Jeanty 9
3.08 Kamara 11
8.08 Rachaad White 9
16.09 Gainwell 5
18.09 Estime 12
20.09 A. Gibson 14

After Jeanty and Kamara I clearly felt pretty good and waited a while to come back to the well. It was uncomfortable drafting a rookie mid first round, but kid appears to be a generational type talent. Barring injury, he's clearly going to garner the lions share of the RB carries too. Kamar needs to stay upright and hopefully start catching some passes again. Price seemed appropriate. LOVE White in the 8th. Gainwell is a polarizing player. I always felt he was under-appreciated in Philly, especially by my fellow Eagles fans. Most see him a JAG, but the truth is he does everything reasonably well, including block. Most people seem to think Kaleb Johnson will walk into the backup role...I disagree. Warren hasn't been all that impressive either. It wouldn't shock me if Gainwell ended up the most valuable RB in Pittsburgh at seasons end. No real downside in the 16th...he'll score for me a couple times I think even if he ends up the third guy in a three headed committee. Estime is a dice roll with some upside, and Gibson will also produce if he gets the opportunity....he may not though. Overall I feel this is a strong group.

2.09 AJ Brown 9
5.08 Chris Godwin 9
6.09 Olave 11
11.08 Wan. Robinson 14
17.08 Brandin Cooks 11
19.08 Noah Brown 12
21.08 Curtis Samuel 7
22.09 Kalif Raymond 8

I go back and forth with this group. The top 3 can go up against almost any other top 3 in this league, but the depth seems very boom/bust on any given week, and only Robinson seems to offer any hope of becoming more then a rare contributor. I did like the value of Noah Brown and Raymond where I got them.

7.08 Ertz 12
9.08 Okonkwo 10
15.08 Knox 7

This is one area that it seemed every other round I had a guy or two pre drafted only to see them sniped in the few picks before my own. Ertz is a bit scary as #1 at his age, but Daniels and he connected very well last year and he showed he can still be very productive when healthy. I honestly know next to nothing about Okonkwo, he was just the highest ranked at that point and I didn't want to wait on more TEs. Pretty sure I had another higher that got sniped (Likely and Henry were taken the two picks prior). Knox seems like he should produce more then he has. Regardless I expect he'll contribute several times in this format. Feel like I'm ok here, especially considering no premium picks were invested.

12.09 LA Chargers, 14.09 San Fran

Meh. Didn't get a top Defense, but did get two solid ones with different byes.

Overall I like how I ended up. Was frequently frustrated and sniped during this one though. MANY rounds I pre-picked 4-7 out and saw my top 3 or 4 guys all drafted ahead of me. The schedule didn't hurt me much...week 9 is a little bit rough but not awful. At least my top 2 guys at every position were split up. In the end my fate is likely tied most closely to Bo Nix. If he can crack top 10 QB scoring I should do ok. If he suffers a bad sophomore slump it will be tougher to cover up my QB room

Is Bo Nix 4 rounds better than JJ McCarthy?

I don't think so.

I am a huge fan of Brandin Cooks and I was considering him around the spot you got him. He may be washed up though.

 

[Crippler]

QB: Darnold, Rudolph, Jones, Flacco. It sucks. I made a huge mistake and was sniped by 1 on CJ Stroud. But there is hope. Flacco starts 5 to 6 games. By than Jones could be starting. I don’t see Aaron going to Pitt anymore and Rudolph is my saviour. Need Sam to stay healthy

RB: Bijan, Henderson, Benson, Dobbins, Smith. Good start. I think this is Bensons year to propel. Dobbins big wild card. Hopefully he gets chance elsewhere. Smith I think will get some catches and big plays. One of my fav picks

WR: Harrison, Waddle, Ridley, Aiyuck, Bech, Watson, Washington The all though highly of once upon a time crew. Three are capable of top 10 stats. Ridley good #1 vet. Love Bech. Think he may be this years top rookie WR. Watson taken as know missing time but if I can last, he could help the cause. I had brain fart with Washington. Maybe because my son is Parker. Should have been Ayomanor

TE: Kittle, Kincaid, Hill, Helm. I think my best unit. Stud, guy who could be stud, guy who might get special snaps with how bad Saints are and young guy with potential to see snaps

Def. Wash, Jack.I got 2. Who knows.

Like the team if not for QB. Probably an early exit do to QB mess.

 

[bro1ncos]

Kyler Murray (5.16) and Caleb Willimams (6.01) - as stated earlier, I misread when the QB run would be, but happy with this pairing. Both should be prone to big games as long as they stay on the field. Kyler's legs will produce and Caleb has all the weapons to make the Bears a potent offense.

Derrick Henry (2.01), Jaylen Warren (7.16), Jaleel McLaughlin (10.01), Nick Chubb (13.16), Ollie Gordon (18.01), Devin Singletary (19.16) - After Henry, not a fan of this group. Warren, McLaughlin, and Singletary all should have roles, it is just a matter of how big or small that role is. Chubb is a wildcard, if he signs somewhere and looks like he did last year, this could be a wasted pick. Hoping he still has 8-10`solid games left in those legs. I think Gordon has a good chance to be the goal line back in Miami (6-8 TDs?)

Brian Thomas (1.16), DJ Moore (4.01), Marvin Mims (9.16), Tyler Lockett (11.16), Jalen McMillan (12.01), Ray Ray McCloud (16.01), Tim Patrick (20.01), Demarcus Robinson (22.01) - Big fan of BT3 and think with the Jags added weapons it takes some of the spot light of defenses focusing on Thomas. Moore is one of many mouths to feed, but pairing him with Caleb is nice and there still should be more than a few productive weeks. Mims and McMillan are in similar spots with crowded WR rooms. Expecting that their talent and a little NFL experience keeps them on the field over some younger guys. Haven't been a fan of Lockett for a couple of years, but I believe he could turn into that security blanket every rookie QB needs. Ray Ray, Patrick, and Robinson are all shots in the dark with some vets that can carve out their spot on productive offenses.

Sam LaPorta (3.16), Brenton Strange (8.01), Michael Mayer (15.16), Grant Calcaterra (21.16) - big fan of LaPorta and hope he bounces back to better numbers similar to his rookie season. Strange started to develop as a weapon towards end of last year, now are there too many mouths to feed? Mayer should continue to be on the field in 2TE sets in Vegas and would have solid production if Bowers would miss any time. Calcaterra was simply a pick since first 3 guys had week 8 byes. I do like his spot if Goedert gets traded or misses time again.

Chicago and Carolina - meh to both but happy to grab 2

Not impressed with this team, but 16 team leagues are hard to guage this early until roles start to develop in camps and the first couple of weekends in the season.

 

[-OZ-]

Is Bo Nix 4 rounds better than JJ McCarthy?

While we think JJ will perform, and for good reason, we saw Nix do it. While I do think he went higher than objectively warranted, and probably at or close to his ceiling, I do think the gap between nix and McCarthy is significant. At least a couple rounds.

 

[renesauz]

Is Bo Nix 4 rounds better than JJ McCarthy?

While we think JJ will perform, and for good reason, we saw Nix do it. While I do think he went higher than objectively warranted, and probably at or close to his ceiling, I do think the gap between nix and McCarthy is significant. At least a couple rounds.

The way QBs were flying, not sure I could have waited another full round and gotten him, or anyone else I liked as QB1 either

 

[-OZ-]

Is Bo Nix 4 rounds better than JJ McCarthy?

While we think JJ will perform, and for good reason, we saw Nix do it. While I do think he went higher than objectively warranted, and probably at or close to his ceiling, I do think the gap between nix and McCarthy is significant. At least a couple rounds.

The way QBs were flying, not sure I could have waited another full round and gotten him, or anyone else I liked as QB1 either

Ultimately, you called your shot and got your guy. I think you’re probably right, and hope so. I really need him to perform with Caleb and Bryce as I go for a repeat in that SF.

 

[rzrback77]

Since we just held a way-too early survivor draft, immediately after the NFL Draft, I will post an even way more too early evaluation of that survivor draft.

First off, I used Bob Henry's early projections for the evaluations. My evaluations of both the QB and DST positions were determined by total projections of the players drafted, but with less significance given to the third and fourth QBs.

QB ratings ranged from a high of 15 to a low of 8. And the ranking of 8 went to Old Milwaukee as he had only Jalen Hurts, backed up by Tanner McKee.

QB Scores

1. Nittany Lion 15
2. Stinkin Ref 14
3. OZ 13
4. Bassnbrew 13
5. Biabreakable 13
6. Ryheaps 13
7. Bike Seat 12
8. rzrback 12
9. Bob Harris 11
10. Mr. Irr 11
11. Bro1ncos 11
12. Crippler 10
13. Renesauz 10
14. Ministry of Pain 10
15. Duckboy 9
16. Old Mil 8

DSTs were given additional credit for a third defense as that will be much more likely to enable more consistent scoring. Likewise solo defenses were reduced.

1. Ryheaps 12
2. Biabreakable 12
3. MOP 12
4. Bike Seat 9
5. rzrback 9
6. Bassnbrew 9
7. Duckboy 9
8. Bob Harris 9
9. OZ 8
10. Bro1ncos 8
11. Mr. Irr 8
12. Renesauz 8
13. Crippler 8
14. Old Mil 5
15. Nittany Lion 5
16. Stinkin Ref 5

 

[rzrback77]

The flexible position players were awarded points based on their projected points as follows:

>300 = 7.5
250 to 299 = 6
200 to 249 = 5
150 to 199 = 4
100 to 149 = 2.5
50 to 99 = 1

All three positions RB/WR/TE were scored equally. So, this system does not even approach fair as having several players just above or below the point cutoffs could impact the results. And also, no reductions were made for smaller position rosters, which definitely would be an impact with injuries.

I also neglected impact from multiple bye week players on a single roster, just too much trouble to track.

 

[rzrback77]

RBs

1. Renesauz 19
2. Nittany Lion 18.5
3. Bassnbrew 18
4. Old Mil 18
5. Bob Harris 17.5
6. Bike Seat 16
7. St Ref 15
8. OZ 15
9. Mr. Irr 14.5
10. MOP 14.5
11. Duckboy 14.5
12. Crippler 14
13. rzrback 14
14. Bro1ncos 13
15. Ryheaps 12.5
16. Biabreakable 9

 

[rzrback77]

WRs

1. rzrback 31.5
2. Old Mil 27
3. Mr. Irr 26.5
4. St Ref 26.5
5. Duckboy 26
6. Bro1ncos 24.5
7. MOP 24
8. Bassnbrew 23.5
9. Renesauz 23.5
10. Nittany Lion 23.5
11. Biabreakable 23.5
12. Bob Harris 23
13. OZ 20.5
14. Crippler 20
15. Bike Seat 19.5
16. Ryheaps 19

 

[rzrback77]

TEs

1. St Ref 17
2. Ryheaps 12
3. Crippler 10.5
4. Bro1ncos 10.5
5. OZ 10.5
6. Biabreakable 10.5
7. Nittany Lion 10
8. Bassnbrew 10
9. rzrback10
10. Renesauz 9
11. Bob Harris 8.5
12. Duckboy 8
13. Mr. Irr 7
14. Bike Seat 6
15. MOP 5
16. Old Mil 5

 

[rzrback77]

Total Roster Score

1. St Ref 77.5
2. rzrback 76.5
3. Bassnbrew 73.5
4. Nittany Lion 72
5. Renesauz 69.5
6. Ryheaps 68.5
7. Biabreakable 68
8. Bob Harris 67
9. Bro1nco 67
10. OZ 67
11. Mr. Irr 67
12. Duckboy 66.5
13. MOP 65.5
14. Old Mil 63
15. Crippler 62.5
16. Bike Seat 62.5

 

[BassNBrew]

QB: L. Jackson 7, Stroud 6 - One of the best and an entrenched starter. Not really sure what makes Nix, Maye, McCarthy better than Stroud. LJax was expensive capital give the lack of QB demand. Given how the board broke on my end, I'm not seeing many better option in hindsight.

RB: Gibbs/Monty 8, Hall 9, Wilson/Lloyd 5 - Easily the best RB room in the league and should be for what I spent. In hindsight I take Jefferson instead of Gibbs. Monty is an amazing handcuff, posts a score most weeks behind Gibbs and becomes RB1 when he's out. The new format allowed me to double down here. Hall has too much talent not to be a beast in the league although Kittle was a strong consideration. Wilson/Lloyd should see touches as it would be suicide for Green Bay to run Jacobs 300 times again. Wasn't sure who the backup was so I drafted both.

WR: Jameson 8, Odunze 5, Coleman 7, Hollywood 10, Cooper 7, Iosivas 10, Franklin 12, Dotson 9, Brown 8 - Wow and who knows. Last to take a WR at #26 with Jameson as my WR1. I'm giving up a ton of ground here to the league. Odunze will make a huge jump this year. Coleman and Hollywood will provide some big weeks. Cooper should b starting somewhere as he's easily a top 30 talent at the position. Burro will throw a ton of TDs so Iosivas will have startable weeks plus Higgins always gets hurt. Franklin could make noise in Denver and Dotson showed promise down the stretch in Philly and is a clear starter when AJ/Smith get dinged. As mentioned before, Brown should see plenty of reps when Travis rests. 9 bullets with lots of good QBs should make for some fun weeks.

TE - Freiermuth 5, Fant 8, Grey 10, Schoonmaker 10 - We reduced the scoring and TEs sucked last year and they get drafted even higher. FBG has Muth at 11 and I got him at 17. I will need them to be right to compete. Fant was last of tier. Grey was actually startable in 6 weeks last year with double digit points, Kelce isn't getting younger. Schoon gave you double digit points every week Ferguson was out. Hopefully strength in numbers pans out.

D - Tampa 9, Houston 6 - I got two. Considered a third but the 3 flex change swayed me to stop at two.

Overall I'm pretty happy with the outcome.

 

[BassNBrew]

Total Roster Score

1. St Ref 77.5
2. rzrback 76.5
3. Bassnbrew 73.5
4. Nittany Lion 72
5. Renesauz 69.5
6. Ryheaps 68.5
7. Biabreakable 68
8. Bob Harris 67
9. Bro1nco 67
10. OZ 67
11. Mr. Irr 67
12. Duckboy 66.5
13. MOP 65.5
14. Old Mil 63
15. Crippler 62.5
16. Bike Seat 62.5

Feeling better about my team seeing I ranked in the top half of all categories. Thanks for doing this rzrback.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Total Roster Score

1. St Ref 77.5
2. rzrback 76.5
3. Bassnbrew 73.5
4. Nittany Lion 72
5. Renesauz 69.5
6. Ryheaps 68.5
7. Biabreakable 68
8. Bob Harris 67
9. Bro1nco 67
10. OZ 67
11. Mr. Irr 67
12. Duckboy 66.5
13. MOP 65.5
14. Old Mil 63
15. Crippler 62.5
16. Bike Seat 62.5

I mean, I like Ref's team too, @rzrback77 - but elevating him to sainthood for it seems a bit premature, don't you think?

 

[rzrback77]

Total Roster Score

1. St Ref 77.5
2. rzrback 76.5
3. Bassnbrew 73.5
4. Nittany Lion 72
5. Renesauz 69.5
6. Ryheaps 68.5
7. Biabreakable 68
8. Bob Harris 67
9. Bro1nco 67
10. OZ 67
11. Mr. Irr 67
12. Duckboy 66.5
13. MOP 65.5
14. Old Mil 63
15. Crippler 62.5
16. Bike Seat 62.5

I mean, I like Ref's team too, @rzrback77 - but elevating him to sainthood for it seems a bit premature, don't you think?

It’s easier for me typing and I’ve given him some significant grief in the past, not as much as Bass though. So even though I’m not Catholic, he deserves some positivity.