Potential Behemoth QB Trade at Draft per ESPN (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

Bradford has been overrated since his rookie year. The curve is finally catching up to him.

I've had posted numbers from other successful QB's who have had similar starts to their career (reposted below). He gets knocked more than he should because he was the #1 pick from the era of huge rookie contracts. Had he been a 2nd round pick people would have very different opinions of him.

Here's a list of QB's (excluding their rookie year) who through age 26 had less than 7 YPA, > 40 TD's and < 40 INT's:

        NAME       POS     YRs            G     CMP     ATT     PYD     Y/A     PTD INT     FANT PT1    Matt Ryan       qb    2009--2011    46    967    1588    10798   6.80    79    35    864.42    Tom Brady       qb    2001--2003    47    954    1541    10227   6.64    69    38    785.33    McNabb          qb    2000--2002    42    826    1423    8887    6.25    63    31    906.54    Jeff Blake      qb    1994--1996    42    790    1422    9600    6.75    66    40    817.05    Steve McNair    qb    1996--1999    53    780    1381    9269    6.71    47    35    923.36    Brian Griese    qb    1999--2001    39    752    1239    8547    6.90    56    37    679.17    Sam Bradford    qb    2011--2013    33    678    1170    7553    6.46    41    23    543.28    Aaron Brooks    qb    2001--2002    32    595    1086    7404    6.82    53    37    624.6

 

[JaxBill]

Anybody thinking Romo is going to be dealt is crazy. The Cowboys would take about a $30 million cap hit if they traded Romo. Based on all the deferred money they have in all their other players, it would be hard, and maybe impossible to get under the cap for 2014. And if they were to get under the cap, they could only do so by restructuring and deferring more money to future years. They might have Johnny football but they would have no ability to add to the team for about 3 years.

Every Cowboy fan will be aware of contracts and dead money this year because they didn't have the money to re-sign Ware.

And actually the number is close to 42 Million in dead money if Romo is dealt.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/

 

[dhockster]

Anybody thinking Romo is going to be dealt is crazy. The Cowboys would take about a $30 million cap hit if they traded Romo. Based on all the deferred money they have in all their other players, it would be hard, and maybe impossible to get under the cap for 2014. And if they were to get under the cap, they could only do so by restructuring and deferring more money to future years. They might have Johnny football but they would have no ability to add to the team for about 3 years.

Every Cowboy fan will be aware of contracts and dead money this year because they didn't have the money to re-sign Ware.

And actually the number is close to 42 Million in dead money if Romo is dealt.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/

Yes, his salary cap number for this year is around $12 million which is already figured into the Cowboys cap. Therefore, if they trade him, his dead money of $42 million would result in an additional $30 million against their cap.

 

[FUBAR]

How has Kirk Cousins' name not been brought up yet?

That could shake things up if he went to Hou/Cle/Jax, etc.

might make sense if they wanted to depend on RG3's health.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Bradford isn't going anywhere and if he did would definitely get more than a 3rd round pick.

He was the rookie of the year and then had 2 hurt years with less than talent around him and a new offensive coordinator every year until last when he started off decent with again, lackluster support.

To say Mike Glennon would bring in more in trade value than Bradford is ludicrous.

I like Bradford and want him to stay a Ram. His contract is all I don't like about him.

Draft him Watkins, give him some time in the pocket and let him stay with a system for another year and I think he will make this thread look silly this time next year.

A 27 year old QB with a 79 rating and $14M salary for 2 yrs vs

a 24 year old QB with an 83.9 rating and a $500k salary for 3 yrs.

Which is more valuable?

 

[cstu]

Bradford isn't going anywhere and if he did would definitely get more than a 3rd round pick.

He was the rookie of the year and then had 2 hurt years with less than talent around him and a new offensive coordinator every year until last when he started off decent with again, lackluster support.

To say Mike Glennon would bring in more in trade value than Bradford is ludicrous.

I like Bradford and want him to stay a Ram. His contract is all I don't like about him.

Draft him Watkins, give him some time in the pocket and let him stay with a system for another year and I think he will make this thread look silly this time next year.

A 27 year old QB with a 79 rating and $14M salary for 2 yrs vsa 24 year old QB with an 83.9 rating and a $500k salary for 3 yrs.

Which is more valuable?

Probably not the one who was just benched for Josh McCown.

 

[jurb26]

Bradford isn't going anywhere and if he did would definitely get more than a 3rd round pick. He was the rookie of the year and then had 2 hurt years with less than talent around him and a new offensive coordinator every year until last when he started off decent with again, lackluster support. To say Mike Glennon would bring in more in trade value than Bradford is ludicrous. I like Bradford and want him to stay a Ram. His contract is all I don't like about him. Draft him Watkins, give him some time in the pocket and let him stay with a system for another year and I think he will make this thread look silly this time next year.

A 27 year old QB with a 79 rating and $14M salary for 2 yrs vsa 24 year old QB with an 83.9 rating and a $500k salary for 3 yrs. Which is more valuable?

Probably not the one who was just benched for Josh McCown.

So his coach being an idiot is a knock on him? What if Bradford gets benched this preseason to S. Hill?

 

[JaxBill]

How has Kirk Cousins' name not been brought up yet?

That could shake things up if he went to Hou/Cle/Jax, etc.

might make sense if they wanted to depend on RG3's health.

I think his performance last year brought his expected return down to the level that he's worth more as an insurance policy (and cheap backup) than what he would get in a trade.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Bradford isn't going anywhere and if he did would definitely get more than a 3rd round pick.

He was the rookie of the year and then had 2 hurt years with less than talent around him and a new offensive coordinator every year until last when he started off decent with again, lackluster support.

To say Mike Glennon would bring in more in trade value than Bradford is ludicrous.

I like Bradford and want him to stay a Ram. His contract is all I don't like about him.

Draft him Watkins, give him some time in the pocket and let him stay with a system for another year and I think he will make this thread look silly this time next year.

A 27 year old QB with a 79 rating and $14M salary for 2 yrs vsa 24 year old QB with an 83.9 rating and a $500k salary for 3 yrs.

Which is more valuable?

Probably not the one who was just benched for Josh McCown.

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

 

[cstu]

Anybody thinking Romo is going to be dealt is crazy. The Cowboys would take about a $30 million cap hit if they traded Romo. Based on all the deferred money they have in all their other players, it would be hard, and maybe impossible to get under the cap for 2014. And if they were to get under the cap, they could only do so by restructuring and deferring more money to future years. They might have Johnny football but they would have no ability to add to the team for about 3 years.

Every Cowboy fan will be aware of contracts and dead money this year because they didn't have the money to re-sign Ware.

And actually the number is close to 42 Million in dead money if Romo is dealt.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/

Yes, his salary cap number for this year is around $12 million which is already figured into the Cowboys cap. Therefore, if they trade him, his dead money of $42 million would result in an additional $30 million against their cap.

That $30M cap hit would be spread over two years so they'd have to free up $15M this year. Looking at their cap they could do it by restructuring Carr, Witten, Free and Orton.

They'd have $15M in dead money next year but they'd be ahead by getting rid of Romo's $17M salary.

Looks like a smart move for them if they can do it. It's also better for the Vikings than I thought since they get Romo for 4 years at an average of $10M.

 

[dhockster]

Anybody thinking Romo is going to be dealt is crazy. The Cowboys would take about a $30 million cap hit if they traded Romo. Based on all the deferred money they have in all their other players, it would be hard, and maybe impossible to get under the cap for 2014. And if they were to get under the cap, they could only do so by restructuring and deferring more money to future years. They might have Johnny football but they would have no ability to add to the team for about 3 years.

Every Cowboy fan will be aware of contracts and dead money this year because they didn't have the money to re-sign Ware.

And actually the number is close to 42 Million in dead money if Romo is dealt.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/

Yes, his salary cap number for this year is around $12 million which is already figured into the Cowboys cap. Therefore, if they trade him, his dead money of $42 million would result in an additional $30 million against their cap.

That $30M cap hit would be spread over two years so they'd have to free up $15M this year. Looking at their cap they could do it by restructuring Carr, Witten, Free and Orton.

They'd have $15M in dead money next year but they'd be ahead by getting rid of Romo's $17M salary.

Looks like a smart move for them if they can do it. It's also better for the Vikings than I thought since they get Romo for 4 years at an average of $10M.

I am not positive, but because it is a trade, and not a cut, I don't think they can spread out the cap hit over two years like they could if it was a June 1st cut.

Plus, do you really want to lock yourself into having to play with Free and Orton next year (maybe also Witten if he gets hurt)?

 

[Anarchy99]

Bradford has been overrated since his rookie year. The curve is finally catching up to him.

I've had posted numbers from other successful QB's who have had similar starts to their career (reposted below). He gets knocked more than he should because he was the #1 pick from the era of huge rookie contracts. Had he been a 2nd round pick people would have very different opinions of him.

Here's a list of QB's (excluding their rookie year) who through age 26 had less than 7 YPA, > 40 TD's and < 40 INT's:

NAME POS YRs G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT FANT PT1 Matt Ryan qb 2009--2011 46 967 1588 10798 6.80 79 35 864.42 Tom Brady qb 2001--2003 47 954 1541 10227 6.64 69 38 785.33 McNabb qb 2000--2002 42 826 1423 8887 6.25 63 31 906.54 Jeff Blake qb 1994--1996 42 790 1422 9600 6.75 66 40 817.05 Steve McNair qb 1996--1999 53 780 1381 9269 6.71 47 35 923.36 Brian Griese qb 1999--2001 39 752 1239 8547 6.90 56 37 679.17 Sam Bradford qb 2011--2013 33 678 1170 7553 6.46 41 23 543.28 Aaron Brooks qb 2001--2002 32 595 1086 7404 6.82 53 37 624.6

Except the guys you listed were essentially in a different era than today (as things have changed dramatically in the past few years).

Since 2010 (when Bradford entered the league), of all QBs with at least 500 passing attempts, Bradford ranks 41st in YPA, 15th in INT ratio, and 21st in TD to INT ratio (out of 44 QBs with at least 500 passing attempts).

It's not all his fault, as his weapons, OL, and coaches have not exactly been stellar. But let's not make it out like he has been one of the best QBs out there.

 

[cstu]

Anybody thinking Romo is going to be dealt is crazy. The Cowboys would take about a $30 million cap hit if they traded Romo. Based on all the deferred money they have in all their other players, it would be hard, and maybe impossible to get under the cap for 2014. And if they were to get under the cap, they could only do so by restructuring and deferring more money to future years. They might have Johnny football but they would have no ability to add to the team for about 3 years.

Every Cowboy fan will be aware of contracts and dead money this year because they didn't have the money to re-sign Ware.

And actually the number is close to 42 Million in dead money if Romo is dealt.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/

Yes, his salary cap number for this year is around $12 million which is already figured into the Cowboys cap. Therefore, if they trade him, his dead money of $42 million would result in an additional $30 million against their cap.

That $30M cap hit would be spread over two years so they'd have to free up $15M this year. Looking at their cap they could do it by restructuring Carr, Witten, Free and Orton.

They'd have $15M in dead money next year but they'd be ahead by getting rid of Romo's $17M salary.

Looks like a smart move for them if they can do it. It's also better for the Vikings than I thought since they get Romo for 4 years at an average of $10M.

I am not positive, but because it is a trade, and not a cut, I don't think they can spread out the cap hit over two years like they could if it was a June 1st cut.

Plus, do you really want to lock yourself into having to play with Free and Orton next year (maybe also Witten if he gets hurt)?

You're right:

What happens if a player is traded or retires?

Answer: We already know that if a player is waived on or before June 1, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Acceleration also occurs when a player is traded or waived and picked up by another team. The new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus. The team that waived or traded the player is responsible for the accelerated signing bonus (in the same manner as described above).

In most cases, if a player retires, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Thus, the team will take an immediate salary cap hit of the remaining signing bonus.

It's doesn't look possible given their cap situation. Like I said at the time, it was a huge mistake giving Romo that contract.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

How has Kirk Cousins' name not been brought up yet?

That could shake things up if he went to Hou/Cle/Jax, etc.

He's getting traded to Indy to take over for Luck.

 

[cstu]

Bradford has been overrated since his rookie year. The curve is finally catching up to him.

I've had posted numbers from other successful QB's who have had similar starts to their career (reposted below). He gets knocked more than he should because he was the #1 pick from the era of huge rookie contracts. Had he been a 2nd round pick people would have very different opinions of him.

Here's a list of QB's (excluding their rookie year) who through age 26 had less than 7 YPA, > 40 TD's and < 40 INT's:

NAME POS YRs G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT FANT PT1 Matt Ryan qb 2009--2011 46 967 1588 10798 6.80 79 35 864.42 Tom Brady qb 2001--2003 47 954 1541 10227 6.64 69 38 785.33 McNabb qb 2000--2002 42 826 1423 8887 6.25 63 31 906.54 Jeff Blake qb 1994--1996 42 790 1422 9600 6.75 66 40 817.05 Steve McNair qb 1996--1999 53 780 1381 9269 6.71 47 35 923.36 Brian Griese qb 1999--2001 39 752 1239 8547 6.90 56 37 679.17 Sam Bradford qb 2011--2013 33 678 1170 7553 6.46 41 23 543.28 Aaron Brooks qb 2001--2002 32 595 1086 7404 6.82 53 37 624.6

Except the guys you listed were essentially in a different era than today (as things have changed dramatically in the past few years).

Since 2010 (when Bradford entered the league), of all QBs with at least 500 passing attempts, Bradford ranks 41st in YPA, 15th in INT ratio, and 21st in TD to INT ratio (out of 44 QBs with at least 500 passing attempts).

It's not all his fault, as his weapons, OL, and coaches have not exactly been stellar. But let's not make it out like he has been one of the best QBs out there.

I'm not making that case at all - Bradford has been a disappointment.

However, if you compare him to Ryan (who had the the benefit of Roddy, Gonzo, Julio and Turner) I'm saying that Bradford has been unfairly maligned.

In 2012 at age 27, Ryan made a huge jump and Bradford with the most talent and stable environment he's ever had could do the same.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Bradford has been overrated since his rookie year. The curve is finally catching up to him.

I've had posted numbers from other successful QB's who have had similar starts to their career (reposted below). He gets knocked more than he should because he was the #1 pick from the era of huge rookie contracts. Had he been a 2nd round pick people would have very different opinions of him.

Here's a list of QB's (excluding their rookie year) who through age 26 had less than 7 YPA, > 40 TD's and < 40 INT's:

NAME POS YRs G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT FANT PT1 Matt Ryan qb 2009--2011 46 967 1588 10798 6.80 79 35 864.42 Tom Brady qb 2001--2003 47 954 1541 10227 6.64 69 38 785.33 McNabb qb 2000--2002 42 826 1423 8887 6.25 63 31 906.54 Jeff Blake qb 1994--1996 42 790 1422 9600 6.75 66 40 817.05 Steve McNair qb 1996--1999 53 780 1381 9269 6.71 47 35 923.36 Brian Griese qb 1999--2001 39 752 1239 8547 6.90 56 37 679.17 Sam Bradford qb 2011--2013 33 678 1170 7553 6.46 41 23 543.28 Aaron Brooks qb 2001--2002 32 595 1086 7404 6.82 53 37 624.6

That's not getting knocked more than he should. That's getting knocked appropriately. The salary cap is a reality. An expensive mediocre QB is a negative asset.

 

[Blackjacks]

Bradford isn't going anywhere and if he did would definitely get more than a 3rd round pick.

He was the rookie of the year and then had 2 hurt years with less than talent around him and a new offensive coordinator every year until last when he started off decent with again, lackluster support.

To say Mike Glennon would bring in more in trade value than Bradford is ludicrous.

I like Bradford and want him to stay a Ram. His contract is all I don't like about him.

Draft him Watkins, give him some time in the pocket and let him stay with a system for another year and I think he will make this thread look silly this time next year.

A 27 year old QB with a 79 rating and $14M salary for 2 yrs vs

a 24 year old QB with an 83.9 rating and a $500k salary for 3 yrs.

Which is more valuable?

So are you telling me you would rather have Mike Glennon be your franchise QB over Sam Bradford if both got paid the same?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Bradford isn't going anywhere and if he did would definitely get more than a 3rd round pick.

He was the rookie of the year and then had 2 hurt years with less than talent around him and a new offensive coordinator every year until last when he started off decent with again, lackluster support.

To say Mike Glennon would bring in more in trade value than Bradford is ludicrous.

I like Bradford and want him to stay a Ram. His contract is all I don't like about him.

Draft him Watkins, give him some time in the pocket and let him stay with a system for another year and I think he will make this thread look silly this time next year.

A 27 year old QB with a 79 rating and $14M salary for 2 yrs vs

a 24 year old QB with an 83.9 rating and a $500k salary for 3 yrs.

Which is more valuable?

So are you telling me you would rather have Mike Glennon be your franchise QB over Sam Bradford if both got paid the same?

You didn't read that post, did you?

 

[jurb26]

Bradford isn't going anywhere and if he did would definitely get more than a 3rd round pick.

He was the rookie of the year and then had 2 hurt years with less than talent around him and a new offensive coordinator every year until last when he started off decent with again, lackluster support.

To say Mike Glennon would bring in more in trade value than Bradford is ludicrous.

I like Bradford and want him to stay a Ram. His contract is all I don't like about him.

Draft him Watkins, give him some time in the pocket and let him stay with a system for another year and I think he will make this thread look silly this time next year.

A 27 year old QB with a 79 rating and $14M salary for 2 yrs vsa 24 year old QB with an 83.9 rating and a $500k salary for 3 yrs.

Which is more valuable?

So are you telling me you would rather have Mike Glennon be your franchise QB over Sam Bradford if both got paid the same?

That's a tough question and it's close for me. I think Glennon had a better rookie season under tougher conditions than Bradford. I also think had Glennon been a top 5 pick instead of a 2nd round pick he'd be getting far different treatment by the masses. I'd rank them about the same but we have 2 major tie breakers, age and contract. Those things greatly skew the decision.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Bradford isn't going anywhere and if he did would definitely get more than a 3rd round pick.

He was the rookie of the year and then had 2 hurt years with less than talent around him and a new offensive coordinator every year until last when he started off decent with again, lackluster support.

To say Mike Glennon would bring in more in trade value than Bradford is ludicrous.

I like Bradford and want him to stay a Ram. His contract is all I don't like about him.

Draft him Watkins, give him some time in the pocket and let him stay with a system for another year and I think he will make this thread look silly this time next year.

A 27 year old QB with a 79 rating and $14M salary for 2 yrs vs

a 24 year old QB with an 83.9 rating and a $500k salary for 3 yrs.

Which is more valuable?

So are you telling me you would rather have Mike Glennon be your franchise QB over Sam Bradford if both got paid the same?

I'm telling you that Glennon is currently more valuable. I said nothing of IF they were paid the same.

 

[IHEARTFF]

To elaborate, if Bradford were getting paid like $1M instead of $14M, he'd be worth maybe slightly more than Glennon, maybe.

As is, Bradford should be worth whatever pick comes after all of these QBs are off the board.

6 *Blake Bortles QB 1 UCF rJr 6-5 232 1

7 *Johnny Manziel QB 2 Texas A&M rSo 6-0 207 1

13 *Teddy Bridgewater QB 3 Louisville Jr 6-2 214 1

29 Derek Carr QB 4 Fresno State rSr 6-2 214 1-2

43 Tom Savage QB 5 Pittsburgh rSr 6-4 228 2

47 Jimmy Garoppolo QB 6 Eastern Illinois Sr 6-2 226 2

104 Zach Mettenberger

QB 7 LSU rSr 6-5 224 3-4

126 A.J. McCarron QB 8 Alabama rSr 6-3 220 4

140 Aaron Murray

QB 9 Georgia rSr 6-1 207 4

 

[cstu]

Bradford has been overrated since his rookie year. The curve is finally catching up to him.

I've had posted numbers from other successful QB's who have had similar starts to their career (reposted below). He gets knocked more than he should because he was the #1 pick from the era of huge rookie contracts. Had he been a 2nd round pick people would have very different opinions of him.

Here's a list of QB's (excluding their rookie year) who through age 26 had less than 7 YPA, > 40 TD's and < 40 INT's:

NAME POS YRs G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT FANT PT1 Matt Ryan qb 2009--2011 46 967 1588 10798 6.80 79 35 864.42 Tom Brady qb 2001--2003 47 954 1541 10227 6.64 69 38 785.33 McNabb qb 2000--2002 42 826 1423 8887 6.25 63 31 906.54 Jeff Blake qb 1994--1996 42 790 1422 9600 6.75 66 40 817.05 Steve McNair qb 1996--1999 53 780 1381 9269 6.71 47 35 923.36 Brian Griese qb 1999--2001 39 752 1239 8547 6.90 56 37 679.17 Sam Bradford qb 2011--2013 33 678 1170 7553 6.46 41 23 543.28 Aaron Brooks qb 2001--2002 32 595 1086 7404 6.82 53 37 624.6

That's not getting knocked more than he should. That's getting knocked appropriately. The salary cap is a reality. An expensive mediocre QB is a negative asset.

Regardless of how it affects the Rams, he should be judged solely by his play not on his contract.

 

[Blackjacks]

All I can say is I disagree. The Rams have not given Sam much to work with and his injuries have definitely put him behind where he needs to be. However, on a pure talent standpoint he is light years ahead of Mike Glennon.

Say I am wrong, call me a homer bring up some stat....cant change my mind on this one!

IMO, if Bradford was available for trade (which I don't think he will be) he would have to restructure his contract (and he wont) and he would go for a mid 1st.

Bradford has everything you look for in a franchise QB. True, he looks a little shell shocked right but that's cause he has gotten his A## kicked for the last 3 years.

size - check

arm strength - check

smart - check

physically talented - check

accurate - check

age - check

Say what you want but the Rams have let him down as much as he has let down the franchise (and probably more)

 

[IHEARTFF]

All I can say is I disagree. The Rams have not given Sam much to work with and his injuries have definitely put him behind where he needs to be. However, on a pure talent standpoint he is light years ahead of Mike Glennon.

Say I am wrong, call me a homer bring up some stat....cant change my mind on this one!

IMO, if Bradford was available for trade (which I don't think he will be) he would have to restructure his contract (and he wont) and he would go for a mid 1st.

Bradford has everything you look for in a franchise QB. True, he looks a little shell shocked right but that's cause he has gotten his A## kicked for the last 3 years.

size - check

arm strength - check

smart - check

physically talented - check

accurate - check

age - check

Say what you want but the Rams have let him down as much as he has let down the franchise (and probably more)

I understand we're never going to agree here. But if Bradford does possess accuracy and arm strength, those skills are not shining through in his stats.

 

[Grahamburn]

All I can say is I disagree. The Rams have not given Sam much to work with and his injuries have definitely put him behind where he needs to be. However, on a pure talent standpoint he is light years ahead of Mike Glennon.

Say I am wrong, call me a homer bring up some stat....cant change my mind on this one!

IMO, if Bradford was available for trade (which I don't think he will be) he would have to restructure his contract (and he wont) and he would go for a mid 1st.

Bradford has everything you look for in a franchise QB. True, he looks a little shell shocked right but that's cause he has gotten his A## kicked for the last 3 years.

size - check

arm strength - check

smart - check

physically talented - check

accurate - check

age - check

Say what you want but the Rams have let him down as much as he has let down the franchise (and probably more)

It doesn't really matter what the excuses are. The facts are Bradford has underperformed, is coming off an ACL tear, and has a massive cap hit. Glennon has the mystical benefit of "potential" and has a miniscule cap hit.

 

[Faust]

Spielman won't trade Ponder, denies Bradford trade talks

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Bradford has been overrated since his rookie year. The curve is finally catching up to him.

I've had posted numbers from other successful QB's who have had similar starts to their career (reposted below). He gets knocked more than he should because he was the #1 pick from the era of huge rookie contracts. Had he been a 2nd round pick people would have very different opinions of him.

Here's a list of QB's (excluding their rookie year) who through age 26 had less than 7 YPA, > 40 TD's and < 40 INT's:

NAME POS YRs G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT FANT PT1 Matt Ryan qb 2009--2011 46 967 1588 10798 6.80 79 35 864.42 Tom Brady qb 2001--2003 47 954 1541 10227 6.64 69 38 785.33 McNabb qb 2000--2002 42 826 1423 8887 6.25 63 31 906.54 Jeff Blake qb 1994--1996 42 790 1422 9600 6.75 66 40 817.05 Steve McNair qb 1996--1999 53 780 1381 9269 6.71 47 35 923.36 Brian Griese qb 1999--2001 39 752 1239 8547 6.90 56 37 679.17 Sam Bradford qb 2011--2013 33 678 1170 7553 6.46 41 23 543.28 Aaron Brooks qb 2001--2002 32 595 1086 7404 6.82 53 37 624.6

That's not getting knocked more than he should. That's getting knocked appropriately. The salary cap is a reality. An expensive mediocre QB is a negative asset.

Regardless of how it affects the Rams, he should be judged solely by his play not on his contract.

In a salary cap-free league, sure. The NFL isn't.

 

[bengalbuck]

Bradford has been overrated since his rookie year. The curve is finally catching up to him.

I've had posted numbers from other successful QB's who have had similar starts to their career (reposted below). He gets knocked more than he should because he was the #1 pick from the era of huge rookie contracts. Had he been a 2nd round pick people would have very different opinions of him.

Here's a list of QB's (excluding their rookie year) who through age 26 had less than 7 YPA, > 40 TD's and < 40 INT's:

NAME POS YRs G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT FANT PT1 Matt Ryan qb 2009--2011 46 967 1588 10798 6.80 79 35 864.42 Tom Brady qb 2001--2003 47 954 1541 10227 6.64 69 38 785.33 McNabb qb 2000--2002 42 826 1423 8887 6.25 63 31 906.54 Jeff Blake qb 1994--1996 42 790 1422 9600 6.75 66 40 817.05 Steve McNair qb 1996--1999 53 780 1381 9269 6.71 47 35 923.36 Brian Griese qb 1999--2001 39 752 1239 8547 6.90 56 37 679.17 Sam Bradford qb 2011--2013 33 678 1170 7553 6.46 41 23 543.28 Aaron Brooks qb 2001--2002 32 595 1086 7404 6.82 53 37 624.6

That's not getting knocked more than he should. That's getting knocked appropriately. The salary cap is a reality. An expensive mediocre QB is a negative asset.

Regardless of how it affects the Rams, he should be judged solely by his play not on his contract.

In a salary cap-free league, sure. The NFL isn't.

Yeah, can't separate a player from his contract. The same reason Darelle Revis had zero trade value is the same reason why Bradford's is pretty low.

Revis was scheduled to make $16M, was cut and made only $12M on the open market. So of course nobody would give up value for the "privilege" of paying him $16M.

If Bradford was cut, would he get more that $14M a year on the open market? If not, there's not much trade value (if any) there...

 

[cstu]

Bradford has been overrated since his rookie year. The curve is finally catching up to him.

I've had posted numbers from other successful QB's who have had similar starts to their career (reposted below). He gets knocked more than he should because he was the #1 pick from the era of huge rookie contracts. Had he been a 2nd round pick people would have very different opinions of him.

Here's a list of QB's (excluding their rookie year) who through age 26 had less than 7 YPA, > 40 TD's and < 40 INT's:

NAME POS YRs G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT FANT PT1 Matt Ryan qb 2009--2011 46 967 1588 10798 6.80 79 35 864.42 Tom Brady qb 2001--2003 47 954 1541 10227 6.64 69 38 785.33 McNabb qb 2000--2002 42 826 1423 8887 6.25 63 31 906.54 Jeff Blake qb 1994--1996 42 790 1422 9600 6.75 66 40 817.05 Steve McNair qb 1996--1999 53 780 1381 9269 6.71 47 35 923.36 Brian Griese qb 1999--2001 39 752 1239 8547 6.90 56 37 679.17 Sam Bradford qb 2011--2013 33 678 1170 7553 6.46 41 23 543.28 Aaron Brooks qb 2001--2002 32 595 1086 7404 6.82 53 37 624.6

That's not getting knocked more than he should. That's getting knocked appropriately. The salary cap is a reality. An expensive mediocre QB is a negative asset.

Regardless of how it affects the Rams, he should be judged solely by his play not on his contract.

In a salary cap-free league, sure. The NFL isn't.

Yeah, can't separate a player from his contract. The same reason Darelle Revis had zero trade value is the same reason why Bradford's is pretty low.

Revis was scheduled to make $16M, was cut and made only $12M on the open market. So of course nobody would give up value for the "privilege" of paying him $16M.

If Bradford was cut, would he get more that $14M a year on the open market? If not, there's not much trade value (if any) there...

I'm not talking about his trade value, I'm talking his actual ability as a QB.

Of course no one wants to give up a high pick for him with salary. I know Bradford isn't getting for anything more than a late round pick, if that.

 

[Anarchy99]

Revis was scheduled to make $16M, was cut and made only $12M on the open market. So of course nobody would give up value for the "privilege" of paying him $16M.

Not sure I am on board with this one. Revis chose to play for a contender. Other teams were said to have offered him more money than the Patriots did. He could have gotten a better deal and more guaranteed money. But he chose not to.

In Bradford's case, I don't think the market would pay him what his current contract pays him, but he has not been one of the best at his position like Revis has been.

 

[Tau837]

Revis was scheduled to make $16M, was cut and made only $12M on the open market. So of course nobody would give up value for the "privilege" of paying him $16M.

Not sure I am on board with this one. Revis chose to play for a contender. Other teams were said to have offered him more money than the Patriots did. He could have gotten a better deal and more guaranteed money. But he chose not to.

In Bradford's case, I don't think the market would pay him what his current contract pays him, but he has not been one of the best at his position like Revis has been.

Link to someone offering Revis a better deal and more guaranteed money?

 

[Anarchy99]

Revis was scheduled to make $16M, was cut and made only $12M on the open market. So of course nobody would give up value for the "privilege" of paying him $16M.

Not sure I am on board with this one. Revis chose to play for a contender. Other teams were said to have offered him more money than the Patriots did. He could have gotten a better deal and more guaranteed money. But he chose not to.

In Bradford's case, I don't think the market would pay him what his current contract pays him, but he has not been one of the best at his position like Revis has been.

Link to someone offering Revis a better deal and more guaranteed money?

Saw an interview and discussion with Revis where he said that 26 teams contacted him. No specifics were given about what teams and what dollars, but the implication was that he had plenty of options and he wanted to play for NE. He was on the open market for four hours. Surely he could have taken his time to find a better deal if he wanted to. Like any other player, we will never see the full offers and contract terms from other suitors.

 

[jeremyx13]

Mallet a first and a second to houston for 1.1, patriots get clowney.

This actually makes sense! Mallet should turn out better than Cassel and Hou gets extra pick for dropping.

That makes sense? I feel like some people in this thread started following the NFL this week.

What team in their right mind would give up the 1.1 for what amounts to virtually a 2nd and two 3rd round picks ?!?!?

And with a once in a decade talent available (Clowney) ?!?!?

The Pats - 1st Pick #29

The Pats - 2nd Pick #62

The Pats - 3rd Pick #74 2011

Just to give you an idea ... when the Giants traded up to get Eli Manning @ 1.1 they gave

1.4 Pick #4 (2004)

1.12 Pick# 12 (2005)

3.2 Pic #65 (2004)

5th rd pick (2005)

That was a unique situation. I'm not sure if it would less because the value of QBs over DEs. Or if it would cost more because the Giants knew the Chargers were behind the 8 ball.

Mallet after a couple years of seasoning and tutelage IMO is worth at least 2nd or late 1st in this year's draft (Carr, Bridgewater in this area possibly). He had 1st round talent in 2011, but fell due to character issues mostly. Haven't heard of any issues since he has been in the league. Plus, having three picks (Pats #1 & #2, plus Hou #2) in first two rounds has much better chance of avoiding busts than just two, even if it is a No. 1. Some saying about eggs and baskets eludes me right now, but I will think of it. I guarantee several teams wish they had traded out of first pick after falling victim to busts. NYG overpaid, but they really wanted Eli.

 

[FUBAR]

Mallet a first and a second to houston for 1.1, patriots get clowney.

This actually makes sense! Mallet should turn out better than Cassel and Hou gets extra pick for dropping.

That makes sense? I feel like some people in this thread started following the NFL this week.What team in their right mind would give up the 1.1 for what amounts to virtually a 2nd and two 3rd round picks ?!?!?

And with a once in a decade talent available (Clowney) ?!?!?

The Pats - 1st Pick #29

The Pats - 2nd Pick #62

The Pats - 3rd Pick #74 2011

Just to give you an idea ... when the Giants traded up to get Eli Manning @ 1.1 they gave

1.4 Pick #4 (2004)

1.12 Pick# 12 (2005)

3.2 Pic #65 (2004)

5th rd pick (2005)

That was a unique situation. I'm not sure if it would less because the value of QBs over DEs. Or if it would cost more because the Giants knew the Chargers were behind the 8 ball.

Mallet after a couple years of seasoning and tutelage IMO is worth at least 2nd or late 1st in this year's draft (Carr, Bridgewater in this area possibly). He had 1st round talent in 2011, but fell due to character issues mostly. Haven't heard of any issues since he has been in the league. Plus, having three picks (Pats #1 & #2, plus Hou #2) in first two rounds has much better chance of avoiding busts than just two, even if it is a No. 1. Some saying about eggs and baskets eludes me right now, but I will think of it. I guarantee several teams wish they had traded out of first pick after falling victim to busts. NYG overpaid, but they really wanted Eli.

This would be easier to sell if he had shown something. Not his fault, but he's still an unknown.

 

[Getinthemix]

Mallet a first and a second to houston for 1.1, patriots get clowney.

This actually makes sense! Mallet should turn out better than Cassel and Hou gets extra pick for dropping.

That makes sense? I feel like some people in this thread started following the NFL this week.What team in their right mind would give up the 1.1 for what amounts to virtually a 2nd and two 3rd round picks ?!?!?

And with a once in a decade talent available (Clowney) ?!?!?

The Pats - 1st Pick #29

The Pats - 2nd Pick #62

The Pats - 3rd Pick #74 2011

Just to give you an idea ... when the Giants traded up to get Eli Manning @ 1.1 they gave

1.4 Pick #4 (2004)

1.12 Pick# 12 (2005)

3.2 Pic #65 (2004)

5th rd pick (2005)

That was a unique situation. I'm not sure if it would less because the value of QBs over DEs. Or if it would cost more because the Giants knew the Chargers were behind the 8 ball.

Mallet after a couple years of seasoning and tutelage IMO is worth at least 2nd or late 1st in this year's draft (Carr, Bridgewater in this area possibly). He had 1st round talent in 2011, but fell due to character issues mostly. Haven't heard of any issues since he has been in the league. Plus, having three picks (Pats #1 & #2, plus Hou #2) in first two rounds has much better chance of avoiding busts than just two, even if it is a No. 1. Some saying about eggs and baskets eludes me right now, but I will think of it. I guarantee several teams wish they had traded out of first pick after falling victim to busts. NYG overpaid, but they really wanted Eli.

This would be easier to sell if he had shown something. Not his fault, but he's still an unknown.

The receiving team would also have to pay Mallett as he is FA after the season

 

[Borden]

Mallet a first and a second to houston for 1.1, patriots get clowney.

This actually makes sense! Mallet should turn out better than Cassel and Hou gets extra pick for dropping.

That makes sense? I feel like some people in this thread started following the NFL this week.What team in their right mind would give up the 1.1 for what amounts to virtually a 2nd and two 3rd round picks ?!?!?

And with a once in a decade talent available (Clowney) ?!?!?

The Pats - 1st Pick #29

The Pats - 2nd Pick #62

The Pats - 3rd Pick #74 2011

Just to give you an idea ... when the Giants traded up to get Eli Manning @ 1.1 they gave

1.4 Pick #4 (2004)

1.12 Pick# 12 (2005)

3.2 Pic #65 (2004)

5th rd pick (2005)

That was a unique situation. I'm not sure if it would less because the value of QBs over DEs. Or if it would cost more because the Giants knew the Chargers were behind the 8 ball.

Mallet after a couple years of seasoning and tutelage IMO is worth at least 2nd or late 1st in this year's draft (Carr, Bridgewater in this area possibly). He had 1st round talent in 2011, but fell due to character issues mostly. Haven't heard of any issues since he has been in the league. Plus, having three picks (Pats #1 & #2, plus Hou #2) in first two rounds has much better chance of avoiding busts than just two, even if it is a No. 1. Some saying about eggs and baskets eludes me right now, but I will think of it. I guarantee several teams wish they had traded out of first pick after falling victim to busts. NYG overpaid, but they really wanted Eli.

This would be easier to sell if he had shown something. Not his fault, but he's still an unknown.

The receiving team would also have to pay Mallett as he is FA after the season

Even if a team really likes Mallet there's no reason to trade much for him right now. Use your picks and sign him next year. If a team trades for him he isn't going to sign a deal/extension for peanuts the year before he's a FA. If he was to be traded then the new teams best scenario is also their worst, Mallet tears it up. It would be best to wait a year since he isn't going to get to display his talent with Tom Brady there and get him into a contract next year during free agency.

 

[jeremyx13]

Mallet a first and a second to houston for 1.1, patriots get clowney.

This actually makes sense! Mallet should turn out better than Cassel and Hou gets extra pick for dropping.

That makes sense? I feel like some people in this thread started following the NFL this week.What team in their right mind would give up the 1.1 for what amounts to virtually a 2nd and two 3rd round picks ?!?!?

And with a once in a decade talent available (Clowney) ?!?!?

The Pats - 1st Pick #29

The Pats - 2nd Pick #62

The Pats - 3rd Pick #74 2011

Just to give you an idea ... when the Giants traded up to get Eli Manning @ 1.1 they gave

1.4 Pick #4 (2004)

1.12 Pick# 12 (2005)

3.2 Pic #65 (2004)

5th rd pick (2005)

That was a unique situation. I'm not sure if it would less because the value of QBs over DEs. Or if it would cost more because the Giants knew the Chargers were behind the 8 ball.

Mallet after a couple years of seasoning and tutelage IMO is worth at least 2nd or late 1st in this year's draft (Carr, Bridgewater in this area possibly). He had 1st round talent in 2011, but fell due to character issues mostly. Haven't heard of any issues since he has been in the league. Plus, having three picks (Pats #1 & #2, plus Hou #2) in first two rounds has much better chance of avoiding busts than just two, even if it is a No. 1. Some saying about eggs and baskets eludes me right now, but I will think of it. I guarantee several teams wish they had traded out of first pick after falling victim to busts. NYG overpaid, but they really wanted Eli.

This would be easier to sell if he had shown something. Not his fault, but he's still an unknown.

The receiving team would also have to pay Mallett as he is FA after the season

Even if a team really likes Mallet there's no reason to trade much for him right now. Use your picks and sign him next year. If a team trades for him he isn't going to sign a deal/extension for peanuts the year before he's a FA. If he was to be traded then the new teams best scenario is also their worst, Mallet tears it up. It would be best to wait a year since he isn't going to get to display his talent with Tom Brady there and get him into a contract next year during free agency.

Good point. I reconsider and would wait until Free Agency to hit and hope to sign him cheaper and hope there are fewer QB-needy teams after this season. to keep his price down. That means another year of sucking for the team or bring in a veteran to stop gap. Not sure if any of the QB-needy teams are willing to wait.

 

[Warhogs]

For a team to trade for Mallet they would have to believe he is the future QB of their team and would want to bring him now and sign him to an extension now and play him. Sort of like Arizona did with Kevin Kolb. If you make a trade for him you would want to also lock him up on a new contract now. I just don't know that I believe there is a team viewing him as such and wanting to do this deal. Seems unlikely.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Bradford has been overrated since his rookie year. The curve is finally catching up to him.

I've had posted numbers from other successful QB's who have had similar starts to their career (reposted below). He gets knocked more than he should because he was the #1 pick from the era of huge rookie contracts. Had he been a 2nd round pick people would have very different opinions of him.

Here's a list of QB's (excluding their rookie year) who through age 26 had less than 7 YPA, > 40 TD's and < 40 INT's:

NAME POS YRs G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT FANT PT1 Matt Ryan qb 2009--2011 46 967 1588 10798 6.80 79 35 864.42 Tom Brady qb 2001--2003 47 954 1541 10227 6.64 69 38 785.33 McNabb qb 2000--2002 42 826 1423 8887 6.25 63 31 906.54 Jeff Blake qb 1994--1996 42 790 1422 9600 6.75 66 40 817.05 Steve McNair qb 1996--1999 53 780 1381 9269 6.71 47 35 923.36 Brian Griese qb 1999--2001 39 752 1239 8547 6.90 56 37 679.17 Sam Bradford qb 2011--2013 33 678 1170 7553 6.46 41 23 543.28 Aaron Brooks qb 2001--2002 32 595 1086 7404 6.82 53 37 624.6

The game is different today in terms of passing statistics. The only guy who started their career within a decade of Bradford's on your list is Matt Ryan, and he's got nearly twice as many TDs as Bradford, only about 1/3rd more Ints, despite having played only 13 more games. So, IMO, this is the ultimate analysis using Cherry picked stats.

Ten years ago, offenses didn't utilize the passing game nearly as much as today, due to rule changes in the last 5 years and the specilization of RBs; the numbers speak for themselves. So out of the 7 QBs you picked to compare Bradford to, you selected 6 whose careers started at least 10 years before Bradford was drafted, and today's most comparable highly drafted QB, who still is far better stastically. How about lining up Bradford against Romo, Russell, Stafford, Luck, Big Ben, Cutler, Eli, Griffin... guys who have come along in the last decade, and you'll see Bradford, after 3 out of 4 full seasons worth of games in his career, compared to today's generation of QBs, is not only sub-standard, but he probably wouldn't be starting if he wasn't a #1 overall pick or had personal baggage.

Bradford might have been an Aaron Brooks, McNair, McNabb or a rookie Tom Brady if it was 2000, but today, that level of QB play just won't cut it.

And to add, I like the guy, hope he can finally "breakout"; but nothing IMO has lead me to believe he will.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Love days like today and tomorrow. Everyone coming out with various rumors and watching people either bite on every single one of them or the self-proclaimed draft experts on twitter all offended because real media guys are putting out rumors now.

 

[jeremyx13]

For a team to trade for Mallet they would have to believe he is the future QB of their team and would want to bring him now and sign him to an extension now and play him. Sort of like Arizona did with Kevin Kolb. If you make a trade for him you would want to also lock him up on a new contract now. I just don't know that I believe there is a team viewing him as such and wanting to do this deal. Seems unlikely.

Agreed. Why couldn't a team believe in him over one of the rookie QB's, especially one with a coach who has some kind of relationship with Patriots personnel. By doing the trade and second contract with him before reaching FA status, a team might be getting him much cheaper than signing him to a 1-2 year FA "Show Me" contract and have him blow up. Plus, they won't have to get in a bidding war with the teams who busted out with the rookies. It's a gamble either way.