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***Pre-Game Thread*** New York Jets at New England (1 Viewer)
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Ignoratio Elenchi
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Looking forward to this one.Post your pre-game comments and thoughts here. Enjoy.
ChrisCooleyFan
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
gtfo
David Yudkin
Footballguy
NE -9 is what I saw.
TLEF316
Footballguy
closer than last time, but the Pats still win comfortably.
Better playcalling, better QB, home field advantage.
The Jets strategy on defense will be pretty much the same as tonight. The difference is that the Pats run the ball better than Indy and have more talented slot WR's/TE's to exploit the jets weakness in coverage at the Safety, LB and CB (other than revis and sometimes cromartie) positions.
I'm thinking something like 30-20 NE. Could go one score different either way depending on turnovers or a big special teams play.
Better playcalling, better QB, home field advantage.
The Jets strategy on defense will be pretty much the same as tonight. The difference is that the Pats run the ball better than Indy and have more talented slot WR's/TE's to exploit the jets weakness in coverage at the Safety, LB and CB (other than revis and sometimes cromartie) positions.
I'm thinking something like 30-20 NE. Could go one score different either way depending on turnovers or a big special teams play.
njherdfan
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I think it will be like the Jets-Pats 2006 playoff game when the final score was fairly close but the Jets never really had a chance to win.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
looks like pats fans can take the week off --- jets fans already burying the team.
TLEF316
Footballguy
The Pats are better than the Jets, humiliated them in a big game like 6 weeks ago and they're at home after a week of rest. Doesn't take a genius to figure out who should the favorite in this game.looks like pats fans can take the week off --- jets fans already burying the team.
just to follow all the Rex Ryan shtick this week. Going to be some good pressers for sure.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
yeah, and it's so rare the favorite gets beat...........
jets should probably just forfeit.
jets should probably just forfeit.
njherdfan
Footballguy
huh? So you're saying you think the Jets will win? Or am I missing something?
Green and Gold
Footballguy
Any given Sunday.
The Jets have the opportunity to atone for that horrific loss in week 12. The Pat's loss of Ron Brace and Mike Wright on the D-Line should make it easier for the Jets to do what they want to do on O, and I don't expect the Jets's secondary to be as out of position as they were back then either. I think this ends up being a hard-fought game that isn't decided until the 4th quarter.
The Jets have the opportunity to atone for that horrific loss in week 12. The Pat's loss of Ron Brace and Mike Wright on the D-Line should make it easier for the Jets to do what they want to do on O, and I don't expect the Jets's secondary to be as out of position as they were back then either. I think this ends up being a hard-fought game that isn't decided until the 4th quarter.
Kool-Aid Larry
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I'm gonna steal a post from a pats board I read made by andyjohnson just because people might be interested in the numbers:
thx, andy............
Here are snaps played for the DL.
DL Vince Wilfork -- 769 of 1,101 (69.8 percent)
DL Gerard Warren -- 505 of 1,101 (45.9 percent)
DL Mike Wright -- 316 of 1,101 (28.7 percent)
DL Ron Brace -- 283 of 1,101 (25.7 perecent)
DL Myron Pryor -- 237 of 1,101 (21.5 percent)
DL Brandon Deaderick -- 220 of 1,101 (20.0 percent)
DL Kyle Love -- 151 of 1,101 (13.7 percent)
DL Landon Cohen -- 69 of 1,101 (6.3 percent)
So out of approximately 69 snaps per game, the DLman have averged
Wilfork 48
Warren 32
Wright 20
Brace 18
Pryor 15
Deaderick 14
Love 9
Cohen 4
So we must replace 38 snaps, about equally in base and sub
I think it is safe to say that Pryor can replace the 19 sub package snaps, bringing him to about 34 (with all the games he has missed it seems he averages over 25 when he plays anyway) and Deaderick and Love would combine to play 42 plays insrtead of 23. That is assuming Vince stays at his 48 or so and Warren at 32 or so.
The DL total to play a combined 160 snaps in the avg 69 plays which works out to 2 DL on 47 plays and 3 on 22 or about 2/3s of the plays we only us 2 DLs.
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patrio...t-ir-page6.html
I will also steal something from mike reiss.........
thx, mike
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By Mike Reiss
Arguably the Patriots' biggest concern entering the playoffs is along the defensive line, where they have placed two players on season-ending injured reserve this week.
Following up on a blog update from earlier in the week, here is an updated look the projected depth chart (factoring in health concerns):
Vince Wilfork -- The seven-year veteran is the leader of the group and his versatility has been key in helping the team overcome personnel losses in recent weeks.
Gerard Warren -- A 10-year veteran, he has been a solid addition to the club, playing in all 16 games, with 10 starts. In the 3-4 alignment, he's likely to be starting the playoff opener at left end. The Patriots have managed him carefully over the final two games to give him the best chance to be fresh for the playoffs.
Kyle Love -- The rookie free agent out of Mississippi State started the season finale and played most of the game at nose tackle in the 3-4 alignment. Given the depleted situation on the line, he is now a key player in the rotation.
Eric Moore -- Signed to a two-year deal Dec. 3, his best fit is at end in the 4-3 alignment, as he is best cast in the outside linebacker/defensive end role. Moore did play 3-4 end against Buffalo, but it's hard to imagine the Patriots using him in that role against a team like the Ravens or Jets.
Myron Pryor -- Mostly utilized as an interior sub rusher, Pryor has also lined up at nose tackle and end in the 3-4. In the finale, he returned from a back injury that sidelined him 7 games, but he left in the third quarter with an eye injury. The eye turned out to be OK, but the back remains a concern.
Brandon Deaderick -- Rookie defensive end was suspended by the team Monday. That suspension was lifted by the team Monday. He appeared in 10 games this season, with four starts.
Landon Cohen -- Signed to a two-year contract Dec. 22, he has been employed as an interior rusher in sub packages. He is not a natural fit in the 3-4 alignment and would be an emergency option in that role.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots
also from mike reiss --- here is the defensive snap count of our DL in that last jets game:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england...dex/_/count/466
DL Vince Wilfork -- 51 of 65
DL Gerard Warren -- 45 of 65
DL Ron Brace -- 25 of 65
DL Kyle Love -- 14 of 65
Rookie DL Brandon Deaderick, who was a healthy scratch on Thanksgiving, did not play a defensive snap (he only appeared on the field-goal block team). That was a surprise given his past contributions and the Patriots not having Mike Wright (neck/concussion) and Myron Pryor (back). Rookie free agent Kyle Love has leap-frogged him on the depth chart the last two weeks. ..
thx, andy............
Here are snaps played for the DL.
DL Vince Wilfork -- 769 of 1,101 (69.8 percent)
DL Gerard Warren -- 505 of 1,101 (45.9 percent)
DL Mike Wright -- 316 of 1,101 (28.7 percent)
DL Ron Brace -- 283 of 1,101 (25.7 perecent)
DL Myron Pryor -- 237 of 1,101 (21.5 percent)
DL Brandon Deaderick -- 220 of 1,101 (20.0 percent)
DL Kyle Love -- 151 of 1,101 (13.7 percent)
DL Landon Cohen -- 69 of 1,101 (6.3 percent)
So out of approximately 69 snaps per game, the DLman have averged
Wilfork 48
Warren 32
Wright 20
Brace 18
Pryor 15
Deaderick 14
Love 9
Cohen 4
So we must replace 38 snaps, about equally in base and sub
I think it is safe to say that Pryor can replace the 19 sub package snaps, bringing him to about 34 (with all the games he has missed it seems he averages over 25 when he plays anyway) and Deaderick and Love would combine to play 42 plays insrtead of 23. That is assuming Vince stays at his 48 or so and Warren at 32 or so.
The DL total to play a combined 160 snaps in the avg 69 plays which works out to 2 DL on 47 plays and 3 on 22 or about 2/3s of the plays we only us 2 DLs.
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patrio...t-ir-page6.html
I will also steal something from mike reiss.........
thx, mike
Jan 7
5:00
PM ET
* Comments30
By Mike Reiss
Arguably the Patriots' biggest concern entering the playoffs is along the defensive line, where they have placed two players on season-ending injured reserve this week.
Following up on a blog update from earlier in the week, here is an updated look the projected depth chart (factoring in health concerns):
Vince Wilfork -- The seven-year veteran is the leader of the group and his versatility has been key in helping the team overcome personnel losses in recent weeks.
Gerard Warren -- A 10-year veteran, he has been a solid addition to the club, playing in all 16 games, with 10 starts. In the 3-4 alignment, he's likely to be starting the playoff opener at left end. The Patriots have managed him carefully over the final two games to give him the best chance to be fresh for the playoffs.
Kyle Love -- The rookie free agent out of Mississippi State started the season finale and played most of the game at nose tackle in the 3-4 alignment. Given the depleted situation on the line, he is now a key player in the rotation.
Eric Moore -- Signed to a two-year deal Dec. 3, his best fit is at end in the 4-3 alignment, as he is best cast in the outside linebacker/defensive end role. Moore did play 3-4 end against Buffalo, but it's hard to imagine the Patriots using him in that role against a team like the Ravens or Jets.
Myron Pryor -- Mostly utilized as an interior sub rusher, Pryor has also lined up at nose tackle and end in the 3-4. In the finale, he returned from a back injury that sidelined him 7 games, but he left in the third quarter with an eye injury. The eye turned out to be OK, but the back remains a concern.
Brandon Deaderick -- Rookie defensive end was suspended by the team Monday. That suspension was lifted by the team Monday. He appeared in 10 games this season, with four starts.
Landon Cohen -- Signed to a two-year contract Dec. 22, he has been employed as an interior rusher in sub packages. He is not a natural fit in the 3-4 alignment and would be an emergency option in that role.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots
also from mike reiss --- here is the defensive snap count of our DL in that last jets game:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england...dex/_/count/466
DL Vince Wilfork -- 51 of 65
DL Gerard Warren -- 45 of 65
DL Ron Brace -- 25 of 65
DL Kyle Love -- 14 of 65
Rookie DL Brandon Deaderick, who was a healthy scratch on Thanksgiving, did not play a defensive snap (he only appeared on the field-goal block team). That was a surprise given his past contributions and the Patriots not having Mike Wright (neck/concussion) and Myron Pryor (back). Rookie free agent Kyle Love has leap-frogged him on the depth chart the last two weeks. ..
Rovers
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Anyway, I think the Jets will play much better next Sunday than their last visit to NE, but I don't see them winning.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Ugh. I hate both teams but don't see how the Patriots lose.
I expected the Colts to win but thought it was very possible NY would pull off the upset. The Patriots need some help on defense but Brady and company are simply too powerful to stop.
I'd BACK THE TRUCK UP to bet on New England.
I expected the Colts to win but thought it was very possible NY would pull off the upset. The Patriots need some help on defense but Brady and company are simply too powerful to stop.
I'd BACK THE TRUCK UP to bet on New England.
Rovers
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In my best Progressive Insurance commercial woman voice.... "Ohhh, it happens all the time!"
theplayer11
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hopefully Brady prepares better than Manning did.....for a change
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captain_amazing
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This game will be much different than their last matchup, especially after that win over Indy. The Jets feed off of emotional wins, and Ryan did everything he could do build this game up last week. I think they ride that emotion, similarly build this game up, and play the Patriots really tough. This is going to be a close game.
harryhood
Footballguy
It's all on Sanchez. BB and Brady have too many weapons, they will put up more than what Manning and the colts posted last night. Jets must run but equally important, they will NEED to be able to throw the ball.You aren't going to win many playoff games throwing picks inside the red zone. Last meeting against the Pats, that Spikes interception was a game changer and the Jets never got off the mat. Last night, they didn't let it beat them, thanks to the defense.A mistake free ball game from Sanchez is the only way I think the Jets can win.
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Don't worry, the Dolphins will still get a higher draft pick regardless of the outcome.
Sanchez can not continue to make those terrible throws. Pats led the league in INTs for a reason...
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Ghost Rider
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While it is true that the Patriots are 4-0 in the Belichick era when playing in the divisional round following a bye, they have hardly been blowing their opponents out:-The infamous Tuck Rule win over the Raiders-A narrow 17-14 win over the Titans thanks to a last second FG-A 20-3 win over the Colts in a blizzard-A 31-20 win over the Jags in a game that was close most of the way
Kiddnets
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Jets Defense needs to play the way it did all game vs Colts....Jets offense needs to play like it did in the 3rd quarter.
Jets can win.....but they have to play an almost flawless game. They come out in their usual slow fashion they will be down 14-0 in a blink of an eye and the route will be on....gotta take it to the Pats early.
Jets can win.....but they have to play an almost flawless game. They come out in their usual slow fashion they will be down 14-0 in a blink of an eye and the route will be on....gotta take it to the Pats early.
randall146
Footballguy
Including playoffs and regular season the Pats are 15-4 under Belichick after a bye.Ghost Rider said:
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Thank you Incredible Hulk.I think this game - as has been said - to whether Sanchez can settle down and be accurate. I don't know the Jets will be able to run the ball as effectively as they did in the second half of yesterday's game and he's going to have to make throws. His arm clearly hurts and he was over-compensating which was making his sometimes shaky accuracy super wonky. He needs to settle down and not go overboard.That said, Jets pass rush is also very important. Pressure Brady and you can beat him (sometimes? often? maybe?). Pats are not invulnerable. Middle of the field also key - Jets get beat there a lot.Is Welker still banged up?Should be close. I think, like Colts/Jets, Jets have a chance here. But the Pats have been lights out the last month or so. They will be incredibly tough to beat.AFC is just a tough tough conference to get through this year. BAL/PITT could be a great game too - and the AFC title game? Whoever it is on both sides will be in for a fight.
BlitzPickup
Footballguy
New England will lose this game by more than a TD. Bank on it!!
Kool-Aid Larry
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I think the key in this game will be for the pats to keep their players away from the sidelines.
Andrew Garda
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I figured the key would be free Uggs from Brady!
Dr. Gobbler
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Jets are going to win this game by 6 points.
J Andersson
Footballguy
This will be a very close game.
Anyone who believes the 45-3 victory will play out again think again.
If the Jets can run the ball (and there's plenty of reason to think they can with the Pats d-line being a concern because of injuries) and Sanchez avoid from completely self-destructing it will come down to the last few plays. I still like our chances there but it will be tight no doubt.
Anyone who believes the 45-3 victory will play out again think again.
If the Jets can run the ball (and there's plenty of reason to think they can with the Pats d-line being a concern because of injuries) and Sanchez avoid from completely self-destructing it will come down to the last few plays. I still like our chances there but it will be tight no doubt.
Crash Davis
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I agree with this assessment. The best chance the Jets have is to basically try to do the exact same thing they just did to Indy. Run the ball down the Pats throat and hope Sanchez can play well enough to keep drives alive. They need to win the time of possession in a big way to keep Brady and Co. on the sidelines and convert those drives into points. A special teams TD wouldn't hurt either. Another key is to get the Pats off the field on their first few possessions to settle the game down and not let the crowd get into a frenzy with the Pats taking an early lead. I could see this game getting away from the Jets if they get behind early and Sanchez is forced to throw it up close to 40 times to keep up. On the defensive side I'm not sure simply dropping everyone into coverage like they did against Indy is going to work against NE, it will be interesting to see how Rex and Pettine play this one after so many blow assignments and coverages last time. Either way i'm looking forward to it. If you want to be the best you have to beat the best, this could be a watershed win for the Jets if they can pull off the upset.
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Crash Davis
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This was one of the questions going into their last meeting and he wound up just staying outside the whole night and the Patriots exploited that by splitting guys like Alge Crumpler out wide and loading up the slot with their better receivers. They basically rendered him useless while exploiting the soft underbelly of the Jet secondary. If the Jets simply let them do that again i'll be very disappointed. That said, I also can't see Belicheck simply trying to do the exact same things if the Jets adapt. It should be an interesting chess match.
DoubleG
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You probably post some very insightful thoughts...but honestly, with that avatar I can barely get through the first 3 words before becoming distracted.
Gadzooks
Footballguy
I like the Jets here.
Jim Leonard getting hurt 2 days before that December was HUGE. Shonn Greene looks better right now than he has all season and LT is fresh. Pats D-Line is beat up and the Jets O-Line should be able to control the line of scrimmage. Brady and Belichick are obviously the best, but the rest of the team is very young and besides this past bye week, that last game against Miami was like a preseason game, so they haven't really played a meaningful game in 3 weeks and that was a blowout in Buffalo. Jets come in with emotion after that thrilling win, they need to strike early.
Control the line of scrimmage, ball control and keep Brady off the field. If they do that, the Jets can win. If Brady and company score early and the Jets have to play catch up, then the Jets have no chance.
Jim Leonard getting hurt 2 days before that December was HUGE. Shonn Greene looks better right now than he has all season and LT is fresh. Pats D-Line is beat up and the Jets O-Line should be able to control the line of scrimmage. Brady and Belichick are obviously the best, but the rest of the team is very young and besides this past bye week, that last game against Miami was like a preseason game, so they haven't really played a meaningful game in 3 weeks and that was a blowout in Buffalo. Jets come in with emotion after that thrilling win, they need to strike early.
Control the line of scrimmage, ball control and keep Brady off the field. If they do that, the Jets can win. If Brady and company score early and the Jets have to play catch up, then the Jets have no chance.
scrumptrulescent
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I'm hoping the talk goes on from Rex, and he gets louder all week. And I also hope for a Pats win, 46-3 this time.
Spike
Footballguy
Ok. I laughed.
Spike
Footballguy
Put him solely on Welker?
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Rex with some good tweaks on Brady today. When asked about Brady being at the Lombardi broadway play on Saturday night during the game, Rex said "Peyton would have been watching that game"
njherdfan
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If I had to guess, that would be my pick. The real problem is that Cromartie matches up so terribly with all of the Patriots receivers (except maybe Tate)
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