No. Michael is 3rd in that pecking order. Neither Lynch or Turbin were going to play last night. Here's my Seattle running back thoughts....Has he officially past Turbin on the depth chart?The guy runs hard. I think he gets a lot of action regardless of any problems with Lynch.Wow Michael in on 2nd and 3rd first series...
Yeah don't be fooled by his bad carries against backups.So are you saying he didn't have another 3 carries, or that we should ignore those 3 carries?
Which was as much on McCoy as it was on James...You both left out his fumble
Are you saying the offense doesn't change at all when they go from Kaepernick to Colt McCoy?So are you saying he didn't have another 3 carries, or that we should ignore those 3 carries?
Suppose we'll agree to disagree. His "bad carries against backups" also came with his own back-ups in the game. I'll lend much more significance to how he looked against the other team's starters with his own team's starters.Yeah don't be fooled by his bad carries against backups.So are you saying he didn't have another 3 carries, or that we should ignore those 3 carries?
Who was blocking for him and who were they blocking?Which was as much on McCoy as it was on James...You both left out his fumble
Are you saying the offense doesn't change at all when they go from Kaepernick to Colt McCoy?So are you saying he didn't have another 3 carries, or that we should ignore those 3 carries?
Is this 20 questions? Did you watch the game? Or just see the box score?Who was blocking for him and who were they blocking?Which was as much on McCoy as it was on James...You both left out his fumble
Are you saying the offense doesn't change at all when they go from Kaepernick to Colt McCoy?So are you saying he didn't have another 3 carries, or that we should ignore those 3 carries?
I wonder if Christine Michael can use the "Wilson was out" excuse? Wait he doesn't need to. Ballers gonna ball.Is this 20 questions? Did you watch the game? Or just see the box score?There's 3 for you.Who was blocking for him and who were they blocking?Which was as much on McCoy as it was on James...You both left out his fumble
Are you saying the offense doesn't change at all when they go from Kaepernick to Colt McCoy?So are you saying he didn't have another 3 carries, or that we should ignore those 3 carries?
Honestly, I watched him on the first drive, with his starters, against Denver's starting defense. Take it FWIW. If you think they all matter, fine by me.
I'll be targeting James in leagues. I think it's utterly asinine to suggest Kaepernick's presence in the game has zero effect on how defenses play the 49ers.
I 100% agree. In MY OPINION, to MY EYES, I was impressed with how James got through the hole on the first drive with the first team offense. Running up the gut, not bouncing everything to the outside, showing some burst through the hole, and popping out the back side.Who was blocking for him and who were they blocking?
Oops. Already been answered. So his blockers were blocking 2nd stingers so he then looks like a second stringer? That would mean he plays down to the competition, then.
In all seriousness, it's a preseason game. Ignore the stats...both good and bad. It's cliche', but the eyeball test is what counts in preseason games...and even then, you still need to add salt.
You won't know anything official til week 1. Im guessing he passes him. Turbin is just average.Has he officially past Turbin on the depth chart?The guy runs hard. I think he gets a lot of action regardless of any problems with Lynch.Wow Michael in on 2nd and 3rd first series...
He did a few good and a few bad things as expected from a rookie. I don't see him making an impact this year. Physcially he looked impressive.For SEA guys: How did Luke Willson look? Have him stashed in a couple TE premium leagues.
Does Spencer Ware dress on game day if both Turbin and Michael are healthy?He did a few good and a few bad things as expected from a rookie. I don't see him making an impact this year. Physcially he looked impressive.For SEA guys: How did Luke Willson look? Have him stashed in a couple TE premium leagues.
He looks the role of the tall, fast, pass catching tight end. On their first third down Wilson drilled him high with a bullet that went off his hands. The coverage was tight and the pass had a lot on it, but Wilson didn't do much to gain separation. He will likely serve as the second TE behind Miller. His ability to block will be the issue. Saw him get absolutely pancaked on an XP after a second half TD. Miller is crucial for the Seattle offense because he blocks well and this is a run first offense.For SEA guys: How did Luke Willson look? Have him stashed in a couple TE premium leagues.
I thought he looked solid. I've had my doubts about him, but he looked like a new QB.Any thoughts on Sam Bradford? Does he look like he has good command of the offense? The skill players are young so it will take time but I am hoping with Bradford in his 2nd year with the same OC he starts showing why he was a #1 pick.
This will be interesting. I see him being the 5th RB on offense. Seattle is one of the few teams that still incorporates a nearly full time FB in Michael Robinson. They will have to have a backup on the roster during game days, so I see Ware suiting up if he can play that role. I think we'll know a lot more about this situation as preseason wraps up. For now I think they're still in serious evaluation phase. If anything, Ware is the backup FB. I don't see him touching the ball as the feature RB unless there are a ton of injuries.Does Spencer Ware dress on game day if both Turbin and Michael are healthy?He did a few good and a few bad things as expected from a rookie. I don't see him making an impact this year. Physcially he looked impressive.For SEA guys: How did Luke Willson look? Have him stashed in a couple TE premium leagues.
I know people are all excited about Ware....i don't see it. Maybe he can carve out a role as a FB but they aren't even using him that way currently even though they list him there.Does Spencer Ware dress on game day if both Turbin and Michael are healthy?He did a few good and a few bad things as expected from a rookie. I don't see him making an impact this year. Physcially he looked impressive.For SEA guys: How did Luke Willson look? Have him stashed in a couple TE premium leagues.
As long as the line blocks like they did last year, and like they did so far, totally agree.Cleveland passing attack may not be a fantasy wasteland. Weeden looked pretty sharp executing the Turner offense.
I'm not sure about all excited, but I do think he's a tough talented kid that is a great fit for that offense.I know people are all excited about Ware....i don't see it. Maybe he can carve out a role as a FB but they aren't even using him that way currently even though they list him there.Does Spencer Ware dress on game day if both Turbin and Michael are healthy?He did a few good and a few bad things as expected from a rookie. I don't see him making an impact this year. Physcially he looked impressive.For SEA guys: How did Luke Willson look? Have him stashed in a couple TE premium leagues.
I think they are giving Ware some 3rd down looks. I know Robinson plays on ST's....didn't see if Ware was last night. Turbin isn't in the mix to return kicks currently......Christine Michael was lining up there however and has done so in training camp.I'm not sure about all excited, but I do think he's a tough talented kid that is a great fit for that offense.I know people are all excited about Ware....i don't see it. Maybe he can carve out a role as a FB but they aren't even using him that way currently even though they list him there.Does Spencer Ware dress on game day if both Turbin and Michael are healthy?He did a few good and a few bad things as expected from a rookie. I don't see him making an impact this year. Physcially he looked impressive.For SEA guys: How did Luke Willson look? Have him stashed in a couple TE premium leagues.
No way he would last on the PS, but at the same time its tough to carry 5 backs unless they play teams. I know Turbin has does some returning...do Robinson and Ware have a role on ST?
I appreciate the insight. Thanks.
No on Robinson (he did once upon a time, but that time has passed). He's in a precarious situation. He's at the top of the list for potential cap casualties. However, there are some circumstances that will likely keep him on the roster. He's a leader in the locker room. The team has made a commitment to pay their own and keep the right sort of team players (Chancellor, Browner, Bryant, Mebane, etc). If they were to cut Robinson it would be viewed as an enormous betrayal to the players. Also, Seattle still utilizes the FB position in their base offense. Robinson is the only real FB on the roster with any experience....do Robinson and Ware have a role on ST?
I didn't notice last night.... but Mike Rob does play ST's. Did last year.No on Robinson (he did once upon a time, but that time has passed). He's in a precarious situation. He's at the top of the list for potential cap casualties. However, there are some circumstances that will likely keep him on the roster. He's a leader in the locker room. The team has made a commitment to pay their own and keep the right sort of team players (Chancellor, Browner, Bryant, Mebane, etc). If they were to cut Robinson it would be viewed as an enormous betrayal to the players. Also, Seattle still utilizes the FB position in their base offense. Robinson is the only real FB on the roster with any experience....do Robinson and Ware have a role on ST?
If Ware is to be on the roster he's going to have to play some special teams IMO. That said, I didn't notice him on special teams at all last night.
I bought in on him already and while happy to see this play, I agree with those who thought he looked like he has lost two steps. Bacarri Rambo was the safety he juked badly on the play. Yeah, the guy with his jock on the field that turned and ran step for step with Johnson for the next 40 or so yards and ran a 4.57 a couple months ago. Nice juke, but this is not the guy that ran like a cat on sandpaper a few years back.Damn Chris Johnson needs to stop doing this ####, I really want him at 2.9 or 2.11 in my leagues, but one or two of those runs and it's not happening. :(
St. Louis Rams QB Sam Bradford looked better than his supporting cast.Any thoughts on Sam Bradford? Does he look like he has good command of the offense? The skill players are young so it will take time but I am hoping with Bradford in his 2nd year with the same OC he starts showing why he was a #1 pick.
The only thing I notice about Bradford is his eye for Givens. He always has a favorite WR that he will target relentlessly. It doesn't look like its Austin at this point.St. Louis Rams QB Sam Bradford looked better than his supporting cast.He was making a nice opening drive until Pead coughed it up.Any thoughts on Sam Bradford? Does he look like he has good command of the offense? The skill players are young so it will take time but I am hoping with Bradford in his 2nd year with the same OC he starts showing why he was a #1 pick.
His WRs really don't look that good as Browns color analyst and former Browns QB Bernie Kosar pointed out. He, Kosar, kept pointing out how they were making premature breaks and how they weren't turning proper shoulders to block out defenders, how they weren't running correct routes. The fantastic thing about Kosar is that he then would point out how the Browns WRs were making breaks at the proper depth and running crisp routes and making great catches because they had blocked out DBs.
The color commentary by Kosar is FANTASTIC! Entertaining, he just brutalizes anyone who screws up, Cleveland or opposition.
Back to Sam Bradford. He made one deep throw for a TD against the Browns second string defense and it was a simple post where the safety was nowhere to be found and the WR had five yards on the corner, hardly the stuff of a sophisticated pass offensea or good WR coaching.
Basically Sam looked good to me. He's seeing things before they happen, anticipating things, and stepping up and making strong throws. Unfortunately his WRs are not looking good and the passing offense doesn't look good right now but that doens't mean that Bradford is not looking good, he is. Its his supporting cast right now.
About the only support I saw for Sam, other than the sheer speed of go-routes by the speedster WR (I forget his name but he is a legit deep threat but you an't count on that as an NFL passing attack) was RB Daryl Richardson. Good hands, sets up his blocks on screens, nice dump off option. I think if they had some imagination they would give him some looks in the slot or even try splitting him out wide occasionally but it seems that their are coaching issues with that passing attack.
Add TE Cook didn't do much. It was the first X-game but his MO has always been to disapear for weeks on end and then blow up after you had written him off.
Bottom line, Sam looks good but the supporting cast eh? I just don't know about that right now.
Most sources I've read have Harper pretty low on the depth chart. Kearse has an extra year in the system though and Williams is a 27 year old veteran, so those guys definitely had a head start in the race. Baldwin, Tate, and Rice are locks for the roster. Harvin will have a spot when he's healthy. That leaves probably two spots for the rest. I see Kearse getting one of those spots and the other going to one of Harper vs. Williams vs. Bates.Other random Seattle / San Diego thoughts...
* Seattle second and third string are light years better than San Diego. Seattle has a deep roster with many guys that could be starters around the league. I have a feeling that other GMs around the league are going to be watching closely for players that don't make Seattle's 53 man roster.
* Gates moved well last night. Better than expected.
* Kearse and Williams are well ahead of Harper on the Seattle WR depth chart. I will be surprised to see Harper make the roster.
* Mathews ran well. Good burst. He flashed the talent that so many have drooled over, but then regretted later. I believe in Mathews talent, but not the rest of the team. Their offensive line is one injury away from being a big problem. Mathews can't do it alone. The Seattle second and third team defense made San Diego look bad. Very bad.
Yes he was in punt return, but did not get to field one.Are the Rams going to use Austin as a punt or kickoff return man? Was he used in that capacity last night?
Didn't Williams get some decent buzz as a good prospect a few years ago in AZ? Obviously, it never panned out, but with Fitz/Boldin (at the time) and Breaston being a decent #3, maybe that's understandable.Most sources I've read have Harper pretty low on the depth chart. Kearse has an extra year in the system though and Williams is a 27 year old veteran, so those guys definitely had a head start in the race. Baldwin, Tate, and Rice are locks for the roster. Harvin will have a spot when he's healthy. That leaves probably two spots for the rest. I see Kearse getting one of those spots and the other going to one of Harper vs. Williams vs. Bates.Other random Seattle / San Diego thoughts...
* Seattle second and third string are light years better than San Diego. Seattle has a deep roster with many guys that could be starters around the league. I have a feeling that other GMs around the league are going to be watching closely for players that don't make Seattle's 53 man roster.
* Gates moved well last night. Better than expected.
* Kearse and Williams are well ahead of Harper on the Seattle WR depth chart. I will be surprised to see Harper make the roster.
* Mathews ran well. Good burst. He flashed the talent that so many have drooled over, but then regretted later. I believe in Mathews talent, but not the rest of the team. Their offensive line is one injury away from being a big problem. Mathews can't do it alone. The Seattle second and third team defense made San Diego look bad. Very bad.
The question for the Seahawks staff is whether or not you take the immediate help in Williams or gamble that Harper will develop into a superior player down the line. I wouldn't be surprised to see them opt for the latter. Williams has been around the league for a while and has largely failed to make an impact. His skill set is pretty redundant with what they already have in Rice, a superior version of the same kind of player. Teams don't usually give up on their 4th round pick in his rookie year, although it does happen occasionally. Add it all up and I think Harper makes the roster despite a relatively quiet camp. Carroll did come out and praise him a couple days ago and apparently he was open for a big TD last night that Jackson missed, so he has that going for him.
So you can draft him and be dissapointed?I hope all my league-mates are as down on Tavon Austin after the first quarter of preseason game 1 as you guys are.
This all but guarantees Austin will be a star.So you can draft him and be dissapointed?I hope all my league-mates are as down on Tavon Austin after the first quarter of preseason game 1 as you guys are.
He did, and nothing came of it. Big thread about him from way back when:Didn't Williams get some decent buzz as a good prospect a few years ago in AZ? Obviously, it never panned out, but with Fitz/Boldin (at the time) and Breaston being a decent #3, maybe that's understandable.
I grabbed him after Harvin got hurt in a few leagues (then dropped and re-grabbed), and was pleased to see his performance last night. Probably at least worth watching.
feels like there is way too much weight being put into anything that happened last night. Denver was sitting in a vanilla base d the entire 1st drive and I assume every other team playing last night did the same.Don't be fooled by RW's box score reporting on James:
In the first series with Kaepernick, James had 5 carries for 5, 5, 6, 9 , and -1 yards against the first team defense for the Broncos. Interestingly enough, the only negative carry was a designed outside run that was poorly blocked.LaMichael James rushed eight times for 27 yards in the 49ers' preseason opener against Denver.
James got the start for Frank Gore (rest), and averaged 3.34 yards per carry while failing to catch a pass. The 49ers' primary kickoff and punt returner, James is San Francisco's No. 3 running back behind Gore and Kendall Hunter.
Still - that's 5 carries at 4.8 per against a first team defense that was pretty stout last year.
Bates looks like the odd man out to me. He's a Harper clone and they have more invested in Harper.Most sources I've read have Harper pretty low on the depth chart. Kearse has an extra year in the system though and Williams is a 27 year old veteran, so those guys definitely had a head start in the race. Baldwin, Tate, and Rice are locks for the roster. Harvin will have a spot when he's healthy. That leaves probably two spots for the rest. I see Kearse getting one of those spots and the other going to one of Harper vs. Williams vs. Bates.Other random Seattle / San Diego thoughts...
* Seattle second and third string are light years better than San Diego. Seattle has a deep roster with many guys that could be starters around the league. I have a feeling that other GMs around the league are going to be watching closely for players that don't make Seattle's 53 man roster.
* Gates moved well last night. Better than expected.
* Kearse and Williams are well ahead of Harper on the Seattle WR depth chart. I will be surprised to see Harper make the roster.
* Mathews ran well. Good burst. He flashed the talent that so many have drooled over, but then regretted later. I believe in Mathews talent, but not the rest of the team. Their offensive line is one injury away from being a big problem. Mathews can't do it alone. The Seattle second and third team defense made San Diego look bad. Very bad.
The question for the Seahawks staff is whether or not you take the immediate help in Williams or gamble that Harper will develop into a superior player down the line. I wouldn't be surprised to see them opt for the latter. Williams has been around the league for a while and has largely failed to make an impact. His skill set is pretty redundant with what they already have in Rice, a superior version of the same kind of player. Teams don't usually give up on their 4th round pick in his rookie year, although it does happen occasionally. Add it all up and I think Harper makes the roster despite a relatively quiet camp. Carroll did come out and praise him a couple days ago and apparently he was open for a big TD last night that Jackson missed, so he has that going for him.
Probably fair - I still thought James looked good though, and was pleased to see them start him and see him perform, not just on the perimeter.feels like there is way too much weight being put into anything that happened last night. Denver was sitting in a vanilla base d the entire 1st drive and I assume every other team playing last night did the same.
Hard to believe he's still kicking around the NFL. Whitehurst is the poster boy for a common mistake teams make with QBs. He's terrible in game situations, but he has all of the physical tools on paper and looks like a god in workouts, so they think they can "coach him up" into an effective player. This. Never. Works.2. Charlie Whitehurst...looks like Jesus, plays like hell.
what kind of numbers are you projecting for austin?So you can draft him and be dissapointed?I hope all my league-mates are as down on Tavon Austin after the first quarter of preseason game 1 as you guys are.