Preseason Game Observations (1 Viewer)

[MoveToSkypager]

Let's not forget Montee Ball whiffed on the block that caused Manning to run outside for his life.

"God dammit Montee!"

 

[Pipes]

Still room on the Eddie Lacy bandwagon.

Borderline RB1 this year. Franklin nothing more than change of pace back.

 

[ffldrew]

Broncos may just need to get on bus and go home at this point.

 

[ffldrew]

Champ limping off the field after TD

 

[pizzatyme]

How in the hell is a personal foul called on that Seahawks TD DURING the pass and the TD is allowed to stand? Then they assess the penalty after the play on the ensuing kickoff???

WTF?

 

[ODannyBoy]

Wilson isn't that accurate tonight. Overthrowing his guys a bit.

But he still plays like he has icewater in his veins. He's one cool cat.

 

[seahawk 17]

2nd game in a row where Wilson is locking on one guy, over throwing, and putting to much heat on his throws.

ETA: 8/12 127yds 2Tds

 

[Kenny Powers]

Surprised to not see more talk on Lacy and Gio in here.

I thought Lacy looked solid, but most importantly he was in there almost every snap. I also swear half of his 8 carries were short yardage (1 was at their own endzone to boot), so otherwise his YPC would look much better than the 5.0 it ended up being. He is going to have huge holes in that offense with Rodgers.

As for Gio, I expected that to be a full blown RBBC so maybe I was sleeping on him. Im guessing Lawfirm has some minor injury so thats why he didnt play, but Gio looked really good to me. While not spectacular, that is a good offense to be in as well. Its only 1 game, but with how good he looked, I have trouble thinking about how they put BJGE on the field more than Gio. I was praying he didnt get that 2nd TD that went to Sanu (who BTW also looked good).

 

[need2know]

Surprised to not see more talk on Lacy and Gio in here.

I thought Lacy looked solid, but most importantly he was in there almost every snap. I also swear half of his 8 carries were short yardage (1 was at their own endzone to boot), so otherwise his YPC would look much better than the 5.0 it ended up being. He is going to have huge holes in that offense with Rodgers.

As for Gio, I expected that to be a full blown RBBC so maybe I was sleeping on him. Im guessing Lawfirm has some minor injury so thats why he didnt play, but Gio looked really good to me. While not spectacular, that is a good offense to be in as well. Its only 1 game, but with how good he looked, I have trouble thinking about how they put BJGE on the field more than Gio. I was praying he didnt get that 2nd TD that went to Sanu (who BTW also looked good).

looking forward to seeing bell play monday night. do you think bell would is still more valuable in redraft compared to gio? I agree with you that gio looked good, but I dont see bge going away

 

[cstu]

Broncos may just need to get on bus and go home at this point.

This game seems like it's going on forever.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Surprised to not see more talk on Lacy and Gio in here.

I thought Lacy looked solid, but most importantly he was in there almost every snap. I also swear half of his 8 carries were short yardage (1 was at their own endzone to boot), so otherwise his YPC would look much better than the 5.0 it ended up being. He is going to have huge holes in that offense with Rodgers.

As for Gio, I expected that to be a full blown RBBC so maybe I was sleeping on him. Im guessing Lawfirm has some minor injury so thats why he didnt play, but Gio looked really good to me. While not spectacular, that is a good offense to be in as well. Its only 1 game, but with how good he looked, I have trouble thinking about how they put BJGE on the field more than Gio. I was praying he didnt get that 2nd TD that went to Sanu (who BTW also looked good).

Packers lost their LT for the season, that's gonna bite them and limit that offense at times IMO, even if they looked OK tonight.

 

[ffldrew]

Aaron Hester Bronco rookie CB from UCLA getting toasted by Tavarious Jackson - not good for making a roster

 

[loose circuits]

Just caught the games on NFL Gamepass. My impressions:

• In the Browns game, it stood out to me how dynamic Jordan Cameron really can be given an opportunity.
• Patriots will still be the Patriots and win the decision easily.
• Ponder is not an NFL QB or even CFL QB, to be honest. A backup in Cousins is better than this guy can dream.
• Who do the Chargers plan on taking with the first pick next year? Bridgewater or Clowney?

Yeah, forgot to mention Cameron. He looks like he could be in the Graham/Gronk conversation soon if he continues to put it all together. Just dominant.

So what was holding this guy back his first 2 years? Just Ben Watson? I like what Ive seen but based on expectations this year I dont understand why he wasnt more productive his first couple years considering CLE other receiving options, or lack thereof.

experience playing football? TE is one of the toughest positions to learn

 

[cstu]

Look at that - Stephen Williams beating up on scrubs again.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Surprised to not see more talk on Lacy and Gio in here.

I thought Lacy looked solid, but most importantly he was in there almost every snap. I also swear half of his 8 carries were short yardage (1 was at their own endzone to boot), so otherwise his YPC would look much better than the 5.0 it ended up being. He is going to have huge holes in that offense with Rodgers.

As for Gio, I expected that to be a full blown RBBC so maybe I was sleeping on him. Im guessing Lawfirm has some minor injury so thats why he didnt play, but Gio looked really good to me. While not spectacular, that is a good offense to be in as well. Its only 1 game, but with how good he looked, I have trouble thinking about how they put BJGE on the field more than Gio. I was praying he didnt get that 2nd TD that went to Sanu (who BTW also looked good).

looking forward to seeing bell play monday night. do you think bell would is still more valuable in redraft compared to gio? I agree with you that gio looked good, but I dont see bge going away

Obviously as a homer Im interested to see how Bell does. All the reports out of camp are good, but no one has seen him in game time. Hard to compare to Gio now, not to mention Bell is going a couple rounds sooner.

Whats going on with BJGE right now where he saw no time? Im honestly starting to think that regardless of injury, Gio puts him to the wayside. I was very impressed with Bernard tonight.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Surprised to not see more talk on Lacy and Gio in here.

I thought Lacy looked solid, but most importantly he was in there almost every snap. I also swear half of his 8 carries were short yardage (1 was at their own endzone to boot), so otherwise his YPC would look much better than the 5.0 it ended up being. He is going to have huge holes in that offense with Rodgers.

As for Gio, I expected that to be a full blown RBBC so maybe I was sleeping on him. Im guessing Lawfirm has some minor injury so thats why he didnt play, but Gio looked really good to me. While not spectacular, that is a good offense to be in as well. Its only 1 game, but with how good he looked, I have trouble thinking about how they put BJGE on the field more than Gio. I was praying he didnt get that 2nd TD that went to Sanu (who BTW also looked good).

Packers lost their LT for the season, that's gonna bite them and limit that offense at times IMO, even if they looked OK tonight.

Certainly, but more likely in the passing game then running game, right? Im not worried about Rodgers creating plays or keeping drives alive. Lacy looked good and also looked ready to beat his man in the open field so he could house the run.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Just caught the games on NFL Gamepass. My impressions:

• In the Browns game, it stood out to me how dynamic Jordan Cameron really can be given an opportunity.
• Patriots will still be the Patriots and win the decision easily.
• Ponder is not an NFL QB or even CFL QB, to be honest. A backup in Cousins is better than this guy can dream.
• Who do the Chargers plan on taking with the first pick next year? Bridgewater or Clowney?

Yeah, forgot to mention Cameron. He looks like he could be in the Graham/Gronk conversation soon if he continues to put it all together. Just dominant.

So what was holding this guy back his first 2 years? Just Ben Watson? I like what Ive seen but based on expectations this year I dont understand why he wasnt more productive his first couple years considering CLE other receiving options, or lack thereof.

experience playing football? TE is one of the toughest positions to learn

No, I dont have experience playing football. I mostly played basketball and baseball. Ive never seen this TE argument before though.

 

[EBF]

Watched most of the Seattle/Denver game. Mainly focused on the Seattle players. Thoughts:

- Decent stat line for Turbin. I wouldn't say he "earned" many of those yards though. Good blocking on those plays.

- Spencer Ware is clearly playing RB now and not FB. He got quite a few carries. Looked okay. Not great. Not terrible. He has a tough battle for a roster spot.

- With Harvin and Rice out, Baldwin and Tate were clearly the top 2 WRs. Next up were Williams and Kearse. Then Harper. Kearse had a long KO return TD. Decent play, but it was pretty straightforward. Williams had a nice TD catch. Harper was tough to assess. He got a lot of snaps, but no targets. I tried to follow his routes to see if he was getting separation. Impossible to tell because of the camera angles. He was mainly running deep routes and Quinn was always looking for the dump-off.

- At TE, Luke Willson worked with the starters. He had a nice cut block. No catches, but he was wide open for a 20+ yard gain down the sideline. Wilson overthrew him. He looks like he has legit straight line speed. That's about all you could tell based on the limited sample size.

ETA: Wrote this before Ware's 20 yard run and Harper's catch. Didn't see those plays.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Bump Finley.

Scores double digit TD's in 2013.

 

[cacksman]

Watched most of the Seattle/Denver game. Mainly focused on the Seattle players. Thoughts:

- Decent stat line for Turbin. I wouldn't say he "earned" many of those yards though. Good blocking on those plays.

- Spencer Ware is clearly playing RB now and not FB. He got quite a few carries. Looked okay. Not great. Not terrible. He has a tough battle for a roster spot.

- With Harvin and Rice out, Baldwin and Tate were clearly the top 2 WRs. Next up were Williams and Kearse. Then Harper. Kearse had a long KO return TD. Decent play, but it was pretty straightforward. Williams had a nice TD catch. Harper was tough to assess. He got a lot of snaps, but no targets. I tried to follow his routes to see if he was getting separation. Impossible to tell because of the camera angles. He was mainly running deep routes and Quinn was always looking for the dump-off.

- At TE, Luke Willson worked with the starters. He had a nice cut block. No catches, but he was wide open for a 20+ yard gain down the sideline. Wilson overthrew him. He looks like he has legit straight line speed. That's about all you could tell based on the limited sample size.

ETA: Wrote this before Ware's 20 yard run and Harper's catch. Didn't see those plays.

I follow the Seahawks and from everything I've read, Harper looks like a coin flip to actually make the team. It wouldn't be that big of an upset to release their 4th round pick. I wouldn't be surprised if 10 guys released from this team were signed onto other rosters, they are that deep. I'd give Ware a better shot at making the team over Harper.

I'd say the WR depth chart looks like this. Making the team: Rice, Tate, Baldwin, Kearse, Williams. If they decide to keep 6 they keep Harper.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

I think Julius Thomas is going to surprise some folks this year.

Gio looked really good. I've been sleeping on him, not sure I will anymore.

Sam Bradford is finally going to become fantasy relevant in 2013. STL is not going to be a running team.

Who will be the most valuable RB in MIA and DEN? Why does my gut keep leaning toward Daniel Thomas and Knowshon Moreno?

 

[Inspiration]

Watched most of the Seattle/Denver game. Mainly focused on the Seattle players. Thoughts:

- Decent stat line for Turbin. I wouldn't say he "earned" many of those yards though. Good blocking on those plays.

- Spencer Ware is clearly playing RB now and not FB. He got quite a few carries. Looked okay. Not great. Not terrible. He has a tough battle for a roster spot.

- With Harvin and Rice out, Baldwin and Tate were clearly the top 2 WRs. Next up were Williams and Kearse. Then Harper. Kearse had a long KO return TD. Decent play, but it was pretty straightforward. Williams had a nice TD catch. Harper was tough to assess. He got a lot of snaps, but no targets. I tried to follow his routes to see if he was getting separation. Impossible to tell because of the camera angles. He was mainly running deep routes and Quinn was always looking for the dump-off.

- At TE, Luke Willson worked with the starters. He had a nice cut block. No catches, but he was wide open for a 20+ yard gain down the sideline. Wilson overthrew him. He looks like he has legit straight line speed. That's about all you could tell based on the limited sample size.

ETA: Wrote this before Ware's 20 yard run and Harper's catch. Didn't see those plays.

I follow the Seahawks and from everything I've read, Harper looks like a coin flip to actually make the team. It wouldn't be that big of an upset to release their 4th round pick. I wouldn't be surprised if 10 guys released from this team were signed onto other rosters, they are that deep. I'd give Ware a better shot at making the team over Harper.

I'd say the WR depth chart looks like this. Making the team: Rice, Tate, Baldwin, Kearse, Williams. If they decide to keep 6 they keep Harper.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Harper wind up on IR with some minor ailment. It seems to happen fairly often this time of year with guys who aren't quite ready to contribute.

 

[Bob Magaw]

bradford had over 100 QB rating, would have been higher but he missed a TD to austin...

another 50+ yard completion to givens, 37 yarder to cook, austin 4-28...

in DAL game, escobar had nice play (just 1-3 last week?)...

his speed and strength have been questioned (as well as blocking)... it was a kind of misdirection play, he showed pretty good quickness and powered through couple defenders in corner of end zone... i'm interested in seeing how he is incorporated into offense this year, if they run more base two TE...

 

[Penguin]

Ware is going to make Seattle's final 53. Harper, not so sure

 

[adrenaline]

Still room on the Eddie Lacy bandwagon.

 

[jdoggydogg]

- With Harvin and Rice out, Baldwin and Tate were clearly the top 2 WRs.

What do you think about Tate in Harvin's absence? I think Tate is underrated this year.

 

[The Kerminator]

Surprised to not see more talk on Lacy and Gio in here.

I thought Lacy looked solid, but most importantly he was in there almost every snap. I also swear half of his 8 carries were short yardage (1 was at their own endzone to boot), so otherwise his YPC would look much better than the 5.0 it ended up being. He is going to have huge holes in that offense with Rodgers.

As for Gio, I expected that to be a full blown RBBC so maybe I was sleeping on him. Im guessing Lawfirm has some minor injury so thats why he didnt play, but Gio looked really good to me. While not spectacular, that is a good offense to be in as well. Its only 1 game, but with how good he looked, I have trouble thinking about how they put BJGE on the field more than Gio. I was praying he didnt get that 2nd TD that went to Sanu (who BTW also looked good).

Packers lost their LT for the season, that's gonna bite them and limit that offense at times IMO, even if they looked OK tonight.

LT Baktairia has looked very good in camp and may be outplaying Bulaga.

 

[Leonidas]

Just caught the games on NFL Gamepass. My impressions:

• In the Browns game, it stood out to me how dynamic Jordan Cameron really can be given an opportunity.
• Patriots will still be the Patriots and win the decision easily.
• Ponder is not an NFL QB or even CFL QB, to be honest. A backup in Cousins is better than this guy can dream.
• Who do the Chargers plan on taking with the first pick next year? Bridgewater or Clowney?

Yeah, forgot to mention Cameron. He looks like he could be in the Graham/Gronk conversation soon if he continues to put it all together. Just dominant.

So what was holding this guy back his first 2 years? Just Ben Watson? I like what Ive seen but based on expectations this year I dont understand why he wasnt more productive his first couple years considering CLE other receiving options, or lack thereof.

experience playing football? TE is one of the toughest positions to learn

No, I dont have experience playing football. I mostly played basketball and baseball. Ive never seen this TE argument before though.

You've never seen that TE is a tough position to learn?

 

[Dorian]

Actually, Jordan played wide receiver in '08 and '09 for USC before switching to tight end for the last season in '10. So he's only been a tight end for 3 seasons prior this one. So he really was learning exactly how the position works.

He's probably gotten it figured out which is why he's only excelling now.

 

[koreansteve]

My impressions from yesterday's games (it's only 1 set of games from the 2nd week of the preseason...i know...but these are my takeaways):

• Gio Bernard looked explosive. Great at catching, good inside runs. BJGE is going to have a tough time making this a 50/50 split as long as Gio can pass protect. Dalton looks good...as a Bengals' fan I'm hoping he can get to an Eli Manning level. Sanu seemed to be making catches with AJ Green not in the lineup.
• Chris Johnson looks good, but it still seems he either gets stuffed at the line or busts a 8 yd run...I expect more of the same inconsistency from week to week. I want to get excited about Britt, but it seems like it will be tough for him to break out with Locker as his QB.
• Tannehill looked bad at first, then improved. Wallace seems like he'll get his fair share of targets. RB situation was interesting. Miller missed a 3rd down catch and looked ok overall....while DThomas actually looked pretty good and busted a couple of 7+ yd gains. Not sure how much to read into that.
• Ben Tate looked pretty good. Hopkins looks like a reliable receiver for the Texans. I thought I heard he was injured but I haven't read about any updates. ODaniels looked reliable and had 2 nice plays on a QB rollout to the left and his TD grab.
• Lacy looked very good. He's a big man and was solid inside, nimble and quick to the outside, and had a nice catch and run. I'm not sure I have a lot of faith for GB's oline to open up a lot of holes, but Rodgers should keep defenses honest. Franklin didn't do much of anything against STL's 1st defense. Finley seemed like he was targeted almost every play...but with Nelson and Cobb out (I assume Cobb was not playing), that probably helped his targets. Still, Finley definitely impressed. James Jones looked good but he still has the occasional drop.
• Pead seemed decent to good with his carries. Richardson is much quicker and seems like a better receiver out of the backfield. Seems like the Rams would be wise to use a RBBC with Pead and Richardson, but for Fantasy purposes Richardson seems more explosive. Pead did get most of the work in this game though. Givens appears only able to make 50+ yd receptions. Hopefully he can get more involved on intermediate passes. Tavon Austin looked decent, but I'd rather gamble on Givens in FF. Cook made a great grab on a low thrown ball and showed great after-the-catch ability. If they target him more, seems like he could be a solid fantasy starter.
• Fitz and Palmer seem on the same page. Palmer looks like he'll throw it a lot this year. Roberts was making a number of nice catches and was targeted early and often. I was disappointed that MFloyd did little. I'm definitely keeping my eye on Roberts the rest of the preseason. That Oline and running game look uninspiring. I think i'll be avoiding Mendy and that entire backfield this year.
• Murray looked decent (neither bad nor fantastic). Dez looks ready for a big year (although that fumble wasn't pretty). Austin continues to make me think he's a value pick this year. Lance Dunbar is ridiculously fast (also had a bad fumble after a great catch and run). DAL needs to reduce their turnovers. I'm guessing Dunbar, despite the fumble, has a firm grasp on the #2 RB spot...?
• Jet's Oline looks improved. Powell had some big holes to run through and made a few nice runs. Ivory didn't seem to have those same holes. Sanchez didn't look awful. Kerley is the only WR i'll consider in this offense. Still not impressed with Hill, who had a drop or 2.
• Gabbert looked decent (never thought i'd type that). Blackmon looks like he'll be decent when he returns from his suspension, he and gabbert connected on a couple of nice timing routes. Would like to see shorts back ASAP. Toddman (JAX RB) looked very quick. MJD only played 1 series and looked a little bigger (stomach) than usual but made a nice run and a good catch+run. Not a whole lot to see from the offense during this game. DRobinson looks electric, but I'm not sure how much he'll be used.
• Hillman looked more explosive with better cuts than Ball, but that fumble at the goal-line was disastrous. Thomas will be a stud and right now i'd put my money on Welker over Decker. Broncos still need to iron out a few things on offense
• RWilson is fun to watch. Efficient and accurate and great on the run. SEA must have one of the top (if not the top) backfields in the NFL. Turbin looked great. My only question is how many fewer carries will Lynch get with Turbin and Michael looking so good...SEA will be in the playoffs and probably won't want to use Lynch late in games I would imagine. Tate looks ready to step up and he's a guy that continues to impress me. Would like to see Rice back in the lineup. Not sure if he or Tate is the value play here.

 

[eaglesfan7]

I read that hopkins didn't get hurt but the blogger wasn't positive. He may have been pulled for running bad routes.

 

[identikit]

I read that hopkins didn't get hurt but the blogger wasn't positive. He may have been pulled for running bad routes.

Concussion:

(KFFL)Updating a previous report, Houston Texans head coach Gary Kubiak confirmed Saturday, Aug. 17, that WR DeAndre Hopkins (concussion) suffered a concussion in the preseason game against the Miami Dolphins. "He's fine," Kubiak said. "Obviously, we'll put him through the protocol."
(Web Site Link)

 

[gethugefast1]

My impressions from yesterday's games (it's only 1 set of games from the 2nd week of the preseason...i know...but these are my takeaways):

• Gio Bernard looked explosive. Great at catching, good inside runs. BJGE is going to have a tough time making this a 50/50 split as long as Gio can pass protect. Dalton looks good...as a Bengals' fan I'm hoping he can get to an Eli Manning level. Sanu seemed to be making catches with AJ Green not in the lineup.
• Chris Johnson looks good, but it still seems he either gets stuffed at the line or busts a 8 yd run...I expect more of the same inconsistency from week to week. I want to get excited about Britt, but it seems like it will be tough for him to break out with Locker as his QB.
• Tannehill looked bad at first, then improved. Wallace seems like he'll get his fair share of targets. RB situation was interesting. Miller missed a 3rd down catch and looked ok overall....while DThomas actually looked pretty good and busted a couple of 7+ yd gains. Not sure how much to read into that.
• Ben Tate looked pretty good. Hopkins looks like a reliable receiver for the Texans. I thought I heard he was injured but I haven't read about any updates. ODaniels looked reliable and had 2 nice plays on a QB rollout to the left and his TD grab.
• Lacy looked very good. He's a big man and was solid inside, nimble and quick to the outside, and had a nice catch and run. I'm not sure I have a lot of faith for GB's oline to open up a lot of holes, but Rodgers should keep defenses honest. Franklin didn't do much of anything against STL's 1st defense. Finley seemed like he was targeted almost every play...but with Nelson and Cobb out (I assume Cobb was not playing), that probably helped his targets. Still, Finley definitely impressed. James Jones looked good but he still has the occasional drop.
• Pead seemed decent to good with his carries. Richardson is much quicker and seems like a better receiver out of the backfield. Seems like the Rams would be wise to use a RBBC with Pead and Richardson, but for Fantasy purposes Richardson seems more explosive. Pead did get most of the work in this game though. Givens appears only able to make 50+ yd receptions. Hopefully he can get more involved on intermediate passes. Tavon Austin looked decent, but I'd rather gamble on Givens in FF. Cook made a great grab on a low thrown ball and showed great after-the-catch ability. If they target him more, seems like he could be a solid fantasy starter.
• Fitz and Palmer seem on the same page. Palmer looks like he'll throw it a lot this year. Roberts was making a number of nice catches and was targeted early and often. I was disappointed that MFloyd did little. I'm definitely keeping my eye on Roberts the rest of the preseason. That Oline and running game look uninspiring. I think i'll be avoiding Mendy and that entire backfield this year.
• Murray looked decent (neither bad nor fantastic). Dez looks ready for a big year (although that fumble wasn't pretty). Austin continues to make me think he's a value pick this year. Lance Dunbar is ridiculously fast (also had a bad fumble after a great catch and run). DAL needs to reduce their turnovers. I'm guessing Dunbar, despite the fumble, has a firm grasp on the #2 RB spot...?
• Jet's Oline looks improved. Powell had some big holes to run through and made a few nice runs. Ivory didn't seem to have those same holes. Sanchez didn't look awful. Kerley is the only WR i'll consider in this offense. Still not impressed with Hill, who had a drop or 2.
• Gabbert looked decent (never thought i'd type that). Blackmon looks like he'll be decent when he returns from his suspension, he and gabbert connected on a couple of nice timing routes. Would like to see shorts back ASAP. Toddman (JAX RB) looked very quick. MJD only played 1 series and looked a little bigger (stomach) than usual but made a nice run and a good catch+run. Not a whole lot to see from the offense during this game. DRobinson looks electric, but I'm not sure how much he'll be used.
• Hillman looked more explosive with better cuts than Ball, but that fumble at the goal-line was disastrous. Thomas will be a stud and right now i'd put my money on Welker over Decker. Broncos still need to iron out a few things on offense
• RWilson is fun to watch. Efficient and accurate and great on the run. SEA must have one of the top (if not the top) backfields in the NFL. Turbin looked great. My only question is how many fewer carries will Lynch get with Turbin and Michael looking so good...SEA will be in the playoffs and probably won't want to use Lynch late in games I would imagine. Tate looks ready to step up and he's a guy that continues to impress me. Would like to see Rice back in the lineup. Not sure if he or Tate is the value play here.

 

[tsarc888]

any reports on Kenny Britt? I saw he didn't do much but more concerned with how the knees holding up and if the explosion is there.

 

[Phenix]

Just caught the games on NFL Gamepass. My impressions:

• In the Browns game, it stood out to me how dynamic Jordan Cameron really can be given an opportunity.
• Patriots will still be the Patriots and win the decision easily.
• Ponder is not an NFL QB or even CFL QB, to be honest. A backup in Cousins is better than this guy can dream.
• Who do the Chargers plan on taking with the first pick next year? Bridgewater or Clowney?

Yeah, forgot to mention Cameron. He looks like he could be in the Graham/Gronk conversation soon if he continues to put it all together. Just dominant.

So what was holding this guy back his first 2 years? Just Ben Watson? I like what Ive seen but based on expectations this year I dont understand why he wasnt more productive his first couple years considering CLE other receiving options, or lack thereof.

experience playing football? TE is one of the toughest positions to learn

He was battling various injuries while trying to rush back. Had time to get better, and it is showing... not to mention a better coaching staff as well, lets be honest.

 

[Phenix]

Turbin looks really good running the ball

Yes, though the holes were gaping. But there's nothing wrong with hitting the massive holes that are there; certainly not a knock, but he hasnt been making something out of nothing. Plus he was called for a hold.

Seattles OLine is grossly underrated, Lynch is a Top 5 runner, not really because of talent, but because in part of that OLine and Offense.

Wilsons arm is telling me they will run A LOT.

 

[Phenix]

My impressions from yesterday's games (it's only 1 set of games from the 2nd week of the preseason...i know...but these are my takeaways):

• Gio Bernard looked explosive. Great at catching, good inside runs. BJGE is going to have a tough time making this a 50/50 split as long as Gio can pass protect. Dalton looks good...as a Bengals' fan I'm hoping he can get to an Eli Manning level. Sanu seemed to be making catches with AJ Green not in the lineup.
• Chris Johnson looks good, but it still seems he either gets stuffed at the line or busts a 8 yd run...I expect more of the same inconsistency from week to week. I want to get excited about Britt, but it seems like it will be tough for him to break out with Locker as his QB.
• Tannehill looked bad at first, then improved. Wallace seems like he'll get his fair share of targets. RB situation was interesting. Miller missed a 3rd down catch and looked ok overall....while DThomas actually looked pretty good and busted a couple of 7+ yd gains. Not sure how much to read into that.
• Ben Tate looked pretty good. Hopkins looks like a reliable receiver for the Texans. I thought I heard he was injured but I haven't read about any updates. ODaniels looked reliable and had 2 nice plays on a QB rollout to the left and his TD grab.
• Lacy looked very good. He's a big man and was solid inside, nimble and quick to the outside, and had a nice catch and run. I'm not sure I have a lot of faith for GB's oline to open up a lot of holes, but Rodgers should keep defenses honest. Franklin didn't do much of anything against STL's 1st defense. Finley seemed like he was targeted almost every play...but with Nelson and Cobb out (I assume Cobb was not playing), that probably helped his targets. Still, Finley definitely impressed. James Jones looked good but he still has the occasional drop.
• Pead seemed decent to good with his carries. Richardson is much quicker and seems like a better receiver out of the backfield. Seems like the Rams would be wise to use a RBBC with Pead and Richardson, but for Fantasy purposes Richardson seems more explosive. Pead did get most of the work in this game though. Givens appears only able to make 50+ yd receptions. Hopefully he can get more involved on intermediate passes. Tavon Austin looked decent, but I'd rather gamble on Givens in FF. Cook made a great grab on a low thrown ball and showed great after-the-catch ability. If they target him more, seems like he could be a solid fantasy starter.
• Fitz and Palmer seem on the same page. Palmer looks like he'll throw it a lot this year. Roberts was making a number of nice catches and was targeted early and often. I was disappointed that MFloyd did little. I'm definitely keeping my eye on Roberts the rest of the preseason. That Oline and running game look uninspiring. I think i'll be avoiding Mendy and that entire backfield this year.
• Murray looked decent (neither bad nor fantastic). Dez looks ready for a big year (although that fumble wasn't pretty). Austin continues to make me think he's a value pick this year. Lance Dunbar is ridiculously fast (also had a bad fumble after a great catch and run). DAL needs to reduce their turnovers. I'm guessing Dunbar, despite the fumble, has a firm grasp on the #2 RB spot...?
• Jet's Oline looks improved. Powell had some big holes to run through and made a few nice runs. Ivory didn't seem to have those same holes. Sanchez didn't look awful. Kerley is the only WR i'll consider in this offense. Still not impressed with Hill, who had a drop or 2.
• Gabbert looked decent (never thought i'd type that). Blackmon looks like he'll be decent when he returns from his suspension, he and gabbert connected on a couple of nice timing routes. Would like to see shorts back ASAP. Toddman (JAX RB) looked very quick. MJD only played 1 series and looked a little bigger (stomach) than usual but made a nice run and a good catch+run. Not a whole lot to see from the offense during this game. DRobinson looks electric, but I'm not sure how much he'll be used.
• Hillman looked more explosive with better cuts than Ball, but that fumble at the goal-line was disastrous. Thomas will be a stud and right now i'd put my money on Welker over Decker. Broncos still need to iron out a few things on offense
• RWilson is fun to watch. Efficient and accurate and great on the run. SEA must have one of the top (if not the top) backfields in the NFL. Turbin looked great. My only question is how many fewer carries will Lynch get with Turbin and Michael looking so good...SEA will be in the playoffs and probably won't want to use Lynch late in games I would imagine. Tate looks ready to step up and he's a guy that continues to impress me. Would like to see Rice back in the lineup. Not sure if he or Tate is the value play here.

One thing I have been noticing is the BJGE hate and the fact people are forgetting about him. Gio is small and is not great at pass blocking, BJGE has multiple 1000 yard seasons and is back who is coming of a 20+ catch season. He has low miles and has a nose for the goal line, even though he only ended up with 6 last year. While Gio is "explosive," many teams employ 2 backs, and BJGE is a talented back as well. I see more than a 50/50 split in carries for the Firm while Gio will catch more passes.

 

[pghrob]

Jets TE Jeff Cumberland with back to back games of 1st quarter Td receptions greater than 20 yards. Looks like week 1 v. Lions was blown coverage.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Jets TE Jeff Cumberland with back to back games of 1st quarter Td receptions greater than 20 yards. Looks like week 1 v. Lions was blown coverage.

One of my sleepers. He's already been named the starter after the Jets let Keller walk and did nothing to address the position (no Winslow doesn't count).

Cumberland's also got fantastic measurables and has made big plays throughout his career so far when they throw him the ball. He was sparingly used at Illinois, but put up really nice numbers there too in limited action.

Could be a nothingburger but will cost you virtually nothing to find out.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

My impressions from yesterday's games (it's only 1 set of games from the 2nd week of the preseason...i know...but these are my takeaways):

• Gio Bernard looked explosive. Great at catching, good inside runs. BJGE is going to have a tough time making this a 50/50 split as long as Gio can pass protect. Dalton looks good...as a Bengals' fan I'm hoping he can get to an Eli Manning level. Sanu seemed to be making catches with AJ Green not in the lineup.
• Chris Johnson looks good, but it still seems he either gets stuffed at the line or busts a 8 yd run...I expect more of the same inconsistency from week to week. I want to get excited about Britt, but it seems like it will be tough for him to break out with Locker as his QB.
• Tannehill looked bad at first, then improved. Wallace seems like he'll get his fair share of targets. RB situation was interesting. Miller missed a 3rd down catch and looked ok overall....while DThomas actually looked pretty good and busted a couple of 7+ yd gains. Not sure how much to read into that.
• Ben Tate looked pretty good. Hopkins looks like a reliable receiver for the Texans. I thought I heard he was injured but I haven't read about any updates. ODaniels looked reliable and had 2 nice plays on a QB rollout to the left and his TD grab.
• Lacy looked very good. He's a big man and was solid inside, nimble and quick to the outside, and had a nice catch and run. I'm not sure I have a lot of faith for GB's oline to open up a lot of holes, but Rodgers should keep defenses honest. Franklin didn't do much of anything against STL's 1st defense. Finley seemed like he was targeted almost every play...but with Nelson and Cobb out (I assume Cobb was not playing), that probably helped his targets. Still, Finley definitely impressed. James Jones looked good but he still has the occasional drop.
• Pead seemed decent to good with his carries. Richardson is much quicker and seems like a better receiver out of the backfield. Seems like the Rams would be wise to use a RBBC with Pead and Richardson, but for Fantasy purposes Richardson seems more explosive. Pead did get most of the work in this game though. Givens appears only able to make 50+ yd receptions. Hopefully he can get more involved on intermediate passes. Tavon Austin looked decent, but I'd rather gamble on Givens in FF. Cook made a great grab on a low thrown ball and showed great after-the-catch ability. If they target him more, seems like he could be a solid fantasy starter.
• Fitz and Palmer seem on the same page. Palmer looks like he'll throw it a lot this year. Roberts was making a number of nice catches and was targeted early and often. I was disappointed that MFloyd did little. I'm definitely keeping my eye on Roberts the rest of the preseason. That Oline and running game look uninspiring. I think i'll be avoiding Mendy and that entire backfield this year.
• Murray looked decent (neither bad nor fantastic). Dez looks ready for a big year (although that fumble wasn't pretty). Austin continues to make me think he's a value pick this year. Lance Dunbar is ridiculously fast (also had a bad fumble after a great catch and run). DAL needs to reduce their turnovers. I'm guessing Dunbar, despite the fumble, has a firm grasp on the #2 RB spot...?
• Jet's Oline looks improved. Powell had some big holes to run through and made a few nice runs. Ivory didn't seem to have those same holes. Sanchez didn't look awful. Kerley is the only WR i'll consider in this offense. Still not impressed with Hill, who had a drop or 2.
• Gabbert looked decent (never thought i'd type that). Blackmon looks like he'll be decent when he returns from his suspension, he and gabbert connected on a couple of nice timing routes. Would like to see shorts back ASAP. Toddman (JAX RB) looked very quick. MJD only played 1 series and looked a little bigger (stomach) than usual but made a nice run and a good catch+run. Not a whole lot to see from the offense during this game. DRobinson looks electric, but I'm not sure how much he'll be used.
• Hillman looked more explosive with better cuts than Ball, but that fumble at the goal-line was disastrous. Thomas will be a stud and right now i'd put my money on Welker over Decker. Broncos still need to iron out a few things on offense
• RWilson is fun to watch. Efficient and accurate and great on the run. SEA must have one of the top (if not the top) backfields in the NFL. Turbin looked great. My only question is how many fewer carries will Lynch get with Turbin and Michael looking so good...SEA will be in the playoffs and probably won't want to use Lynch late in games I would imagine. Tate looks ready to step up and he's a guy that continues to impress me. Would like to see Rice back in the lineup. Not sure if he or Tate is the value play here.

One thing I have been noticing is the BJGE hate and the fact people are forgetting about him. Gio is small and is not great at pass blocking, BJGE has multiple 1000 yard seasons and is back who is coming of a 20+ catch season. He has low miles and has a nose for the goal line, even though he only ended up with 6 last year. While Gio is "explosive," many teams employ 2 backs, and BJGE is a talented back as well. I see more than a 50/50 split in carries for the Firm while Gio will catch more passes.

Trying to understand your logic. You write that Gio is not great at pass blocking, but also that he will catch more passes. What is the purpose of the 1st half of that sentence, particularly when you assert the 2nd half?

BJGE is nothing special. He's a passable starter. Gio appears to be much more talented. So yeah, they might split 50/50 this year - or Gio might take over the bulk of work by mid-season.

 

[sho nuff]

Still room on the Eddie Lacy bandwagon.

Borderline RB1 this year. Franklin nothing more than change of pace back.

He is doing what people have said he needed to in order to clear up the FF questions there.

Now, MM could still be his same old self.

But it looks more and more like they have their bell cow to ride most games.

Going to watch his value for sure...but know this Bama homer in my league will scoop him up before I would take him.

 

[SameSongNDance]

My impressions from yesterday's games (it's only 1 set of games from the 2nd week of the preseason...i know...but these are my takeaways):

• Gio Bernard looked explosive. Great at catching, good inside runs. BJGE is going to have a tough time making this a 50/50 split as long as Gio can pass protect. Dalton looks good...as a Bengals' fan I'm hoping he can get to an Eli Manning level. Sanu seemed to be making catches with AJ Green not in the lineup.
• Chris Johnson looks good, but it still seems he either gets stuffed at the line or busts a 8 yd run...I expect more of the same inconsistency from week to week. I want to get excited about Britt, but it seems like it will be tough for him to break out with Locker as his QB.
• Tannehill looked bad at first, then improved. Wallace seems like he'll get his fair share of targets. RB situation was interesting. Miller missed a 3rd down catch and looked ok overall....while DThomas actually looked pretty good and busted a couple of 7+ yd gains. Not sure how much to read into that.
• Ben Tate looked pretty good. Hopkins looks like a reliable receiver for the Texans. I thought I heard he was injured but I haven't read about any updates. ODaniels looked reliable and had 2 nice plays on a QB rollout to the left and his TD grab.
• Lacy looked very good. He's a big man and was solid inside, nimble and quick to the outside, and had a nice catch and run. I'm not sure I have a lot of faith for GB's oline to open up a lot of holes, but Rodgers should keep defenses honest. Franklin didn't do much of anything against STL's 1st defense. Finley seemed like he was targeted almost every play...but with Nelson and Cobb out (I assume Cobb was not playing), that probably helped his targets. Still, Finley definitely impressed. James Jones looked good but he still has the occasional drop.
• Pead seemed decent to good with his carries. Richardson is much quicker and seems like a better receiver out of the backfield. Seems like the Rams would be wise to use a RBBC with Pead and Richardson, but for Fantasy purposes Richardson seems more explosive. Pead did get most of the work in this game though. Givens appears only able to make 50+ yd receptions. Hopefully he can get more involved on intermediate passes. Tavon Austin looked decent, but I'd rather gamble on Givens in FF. Cook made a great grab on a low thrown ball and showed great after-the-catch ability. If they target him more, seems like he could be a solid fantasy starter.
• Fitz and Palmer seem on the same page. Palmer looks like he'll throw it a lot this year. Roberts was making a number of nice catches and was targeted early and often. I was disappointed that MFloyd did little. I'm definitely keeping my eye on Roberts the rest of the preseason. That Oline and running game look uninspiring. I think i'll be avoiding Mendy and that entire backfield this year.
• Murray looked decent (neither bad nor fantastic). Dez looks ready for a big year (although that fumble wasn't pretty). Austin continues to make me think he's a value pick this year. Lance Dunbar is ridiculously fast (also had a bad fumble after a great catch and run). DAL needs to reduce their turnovers. I'm guessing Dunbar, despite the fumble, has a firm grasp on the #2 RB spot...?
• Jet's Oline looks improved. Powell had some big holes to run through and made a few nice runs. Ivory didn't seem to have those same holes. Sanchez didn't look awful. Kerley is the only WR i'll consider in this offense. Still not impressed with Hill, who had a drop or 2.
• Gabbert looked decent (never thought i'd type that). Blackmon looks like he'll be decent when he returns from his suspension, he and gabbert connected on a couple of nice timing routes. Would like to see shorts back ASAP. Toddman (JAX RB) looked very quick. MJD only played 1 series and looked a little bigger (stomach) than usual but made a nice run and a good catch+run. Not a whole lot to see from the offense during this game. DRobinson looks electric, but I'm not sure how much he'll be used.
• Hillman looked more explosive with better cuts than Ball, but that fumble at the goal-line was disastrous. Thomas will be a stud and right now i'd put my money on Welker over Decker. Broncos still need to iron out a few things on offense
• RWilson is fun to watch. Efficient and accurate and great on the run. SEA must have one of the top (if not the top) backfields in the NFL. Turbin looked great. My only question is how many fewer carries will Lynch get with Turbin and Michael looking so good...SEA will be in the playoffs and probably won't want to use Lynch late in games I would imagine. Tate looks ready to step up and he's a guy that continues to impress me. Would like to see Rice back in the lineup. Not sure if he or Tate is the value play here.

One thing I have been noticing is the BJGE hate and the fact people are forgetting about him. Gio is small and is not great at pass blocking, BJGE has multiple 1000 yard seasons and is back who is coming of a 20+ catch season. He has low miles and has a nose for the goal line, even though he only ended up with 6 last year. While Gio is "explosive," many teams employ 2 backs, and BJGE is a talented back as well. I see more than a 50/50 split in carries for the Firm while Gio will catch more passes.

BGE is a straight up plodder, there's no point in sugar coating it. He averaged sub 4 YPC before leaving NE and sub 4 YPC on CIN last year. He's safe but nothing special and it wouldn't take too much for Gio to usurp the throne IMO.

 

[sho nuff]

Surprised to not see more talk on Lacy and Gio in here.

I thought Lacy looked solid, but most importantly he was in there almost every snap. I also swear half of his 8 carries were short yardage (1 was at their own endzone to boot), so otherwise his YPC would look much better than the 5.0 it ended up being. He is going to have huge holes in that offense with Rodgers.

As for Gio, I expected that to be a full blown RBBC so maybe I was sleeping on him. Im guessing Lawfirm has some minor injury so thats why he didnt play, but Gio looked really good to me. While not spectacular, that is a good offense to be in as well. Its only 1 game, but with how good he looked, I have trouble thinking about how they put BJGE on the field more than Gio. I was praying he didnt get that 2nd TD that went to Sanu (who BTW also looked good).

Packers lost their LT for the season, that's gonna bite them and limit that offense at times IMO, even if they looked OK tonight.

LT Baktairia has looked very good in camp and may be outplaying Bulaga.

And its not as if Bulaga was some long time LT for them.

It would have been his first year as OT...and they played without him for what...7 games last year?

Still a question mark with the rookie...but some seem to act as if Bulaga has always been their LT.

 

[bcat01]

My impressions from yesterday's games (it's only 1 set of games from the 2nd week of the preseason...i know...but these are my takeaways):

• Gio Bernard looked explosive. Great at catching, good inside runs. BJGE is going to have a tough time making this a 50/50 split as long as Gio can pass protect. Dalton looks good...as a Bengals' fan I'm hoping he can get to an Eli Manning level. Sanu seemed to be making catches with AJ Green not in the lineup.
• Chris Johnson looks good, but it still seems he either gets stuffed at the line or busts a 8 yd run...I expect more of the same inconsistency from week to week. I want to get excited about Britt, but it seems like it will be tough for him to break out with Locker as his QB.
• Tannehill looked bad at first, then improved. Wallace seems like he'll get his fair share of targets. RB situation was interesting. Miller missed a 3rd down catch and looked ok overall....while DThomas actually looked pretty good and busted a couple of 7+ yd gains. Not sure how much to read into that.
• Ben Tate looked pretty good. Hopkins looks like a reliable receiver for the Texans. I thought I heard he was injured but I haven't read about any updates. ODaniels looked reliable and had 2 nice plays on a QB rollout to the left and his TD grab.
• Lacy looked very good. He's a big man and was solid inside, nimble and quick to the outside, and had a nice catch and run. I'm not sure I have a lot of faith for GB's oline to open up a lot of holes, but Rodgers should keep defenses honest. Franklin didn't do much of anything against STL's 1st defense. Finley seemed like he was targeted almost every play...but with Nelson and Cobb out (I assume Cobb was not playing), that probably helped his targets. Still, Finley definitely impressed. James Jones looked good but he still has the occasional drop.
• Pead seemed decent to good with his carries. Richardson is much quicker and seems like a better receiver out of the backfield. Seems like the Rams would be wise to use a RBBC with Pead and Richardson, but for Fantasy purposes Richardson seems more explosive. Pead did get most of the work in this game though. Givens appears only able to make 50+ yd receptions. Hopefully he can get more involved on intermediate passes. Tavon Austin looked decent, but I'd rather gamble on Givens in FF. Cook made a great grab on a low thrown ball and showed great after-the-catch ability. If they target him more, seems like he could be a solid fantasy starter.
• Fitz and Palmer seem on the same page. Palmer looks like he'll throw it a lot this year. Roberts was making a number of nice catches and was targeted early and often. I was disappointed that MFloyd did little. I'm definitely keeping my eye on Roberts the rest of the preseason. That Oline and running game look uninspiring. I think i'll be avoiding Mendy and that entire backfield this year.
• Murray looked decent (neither bad nor fantastic). Dez looks ready for a big year (although that fumble wasn't pretty). Austin continues to make me think he's a value pick this year. Lance Dunbar is ridiculously fast (also had a bad fumble after a great catch and run). DAL needs to reduce their turnovers. I'm guessing Dunbar, despite the fumble, has a firm grasp on the #2 RB spot...?
• Jet's Oline looks improved. Powell had some big holes to run through and made a few nice runs. Ivory didn't seem to have those same holes. Sanchez didn't look awful. Kerley is the only WR i'll consider in this offense. Still not impressed with Hill, who had a drop or 2.
• Gabbert looked decent (never thought i'd type that). Blackmon looks like he'll be decent when he returns from his suspension, he and gabbert connected on a couple of nice timing routes. Would like to see shorts back ASAP. Toddman (JAX RB) looked very quick. MJD only played 1 series and looked a little bigger (stomach) than usual but made a nice run and a good catch+run. Not a whole lot to see from the offense during this game. DRobinson looks electric, but I'm not sure how much he'll be used.
• Hillman looked more explosive with better cuts than Ball, but that fumble at the goal-line was disastrous. Thomas will be a stud and right now i'd put my money on Welker over Decker. Broncos still need to iron out a few things on offense
• RWilson is fun to watch. Efficient and accurate and great on the run. SEA must have one of the top (if not the top) backfields in the NFL. Turbin looked great. My only question is how many fewer carries will Lynch get with Turbin and Michael looking so good...SEA will be in the playoffs and probably won't want to use Lynch late in games I would imagine. Tate looks ready to step up and he's a guy that continues to impress me. Would like to see Rice back in the lineup. Not sure if he or Tate is the value play here.

One thing I have been noticing is the BJGE hate and the fact people are forgetting about him. Gio is small and is not great at pass blocking, BJGE has multiple 1000 yard seasons and is back who is coming of a 20+ catch season. He has low miles and has a nose for the goal line, even though he only ended up with 6 last year. While Gio is "explosive," many teams employ 2 backs, and BJGE is a talented back as well. I see more than a 50/50 split in carries for the Firm while Gio will catch more passes.

BGE is a straight up plodder, there's no point in sugar coating it. He averaged sub 4 YPC before leaving NE and sub 4 YPC on CIN last year. He's safe but nothing special and it wouldn't take too much for Gio to usurp the throne IMO.

If Gio can improve his blitz pick ups he will be starting at some point. Until then I see a 50/50 split. He looked awesome last night and is going to be a great weapon for the Bengals.

 

[pghrob]

Jets TE Jeff Cumberland with back to back games of 1st quarter Td receptions greater than 20 yards. Looks like week 1 v. Lions was blown coverage.

One of my sleepers. He's already been named the starter after the Jets let Keller walk and did nothing to address the position (no Winslow doesn't count).

Cumberland's also got fantastic measurables and has made big plays throughout his career so far when they throw him the ball. He was sparingly used at Illinois, but put up really nice numbers there too in limited action.

Could be a nothingburger but will cost you virtually nothing to find out.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

BGE is a straight up plodder, there's no point in sugar coating it. He averaged sub 4 YPC before leaving NE and sub 4 YPC on CIN last year.

BJGE actually averaged 4.0 YPC last year, including the 1 playoff game. But that must not count because the competition is so much weaker in the playoffs.

 

[djmich]

BGE is a straight up plodder, there's no point in sugar coating it. He averaged sub 4 YPC before leaving NE and sub 4 YPC on CIN last year.

BJGE actually averaged 4.0 YPC last year, including the 1 playoff game. But that must not count because the competition is so much weaker in the playoffs.

And he averaged 4.4ypc in 2010 but why let the facts get in the way of a good story. Also, while we're cherry picking data, from week 6 on last year BJGE averaged 4.5 ypc, with the hypothesis being it took a few games for the new run offense to gel.

Guy gets crapped on by everyone but there is a reason why he has been the lead back for NFL teams the past 3 years. IMO Gio will eat into his carries but BJGE will be the lead back the entire year with the goalline carries.

 

[Chasers Dawg]

Anybody see Ladarius Green for SD ?? Was a nice looking stat line on gamecentre

 

[Raider Nation]

Valuable thread. Thanks for everyone's input.

It's hard to watch every play of every fake game, even though I try damn hard.

 

[SameSongNDance]

BGE is a straight up plodder, there's no point in sugar coating it. He averaged sub 4 YPC before leaving NE and sub 4 YPC on CIN last year.

BJGE actually averaged 4.0 YPC last year, including the 1 playoff game. But that must not count because the competition is so much weaker in the playoffs.

And he averaged 4.4ypc in 2010 but why let the facts get in the way of a good story. Also, while we're cherry picking data, from week 6 on last year BJGE averaged 4.5 ypc, with the hypothesis being it took a few games for the new run offense to gel.

Guy gets crapped on by everyone but there is a reason why he has been the lead back for NFL teams the past 3 years. IMO Gio will eat into his carries but BJGE will be the lead back the entire year with the goalline carries.

I would assume that more recent data should take precedence over that from three years ago. I wasn't cherry picking anything.

He gets crapped on because he's a middling talent, a plodder. As long as you have eyes, this should be rather apparent. The stats just further substantiate that claim.

Regardless, I don't think Gio is going to outright win the starting job, receiving the lions share of carries from the get-go. His 5th round ADP further reflects this. It'll likely be more of a RBBC, with Gio cutting more and more into BGEs workload as he proves he can, as other have stated, protect Dalton. Ultimately, the point is, the gap between Gio and BGE talent wise is noticeably large and it's not a matter of if but when Gio will take over.