Preseason Game Observations (1 Viewer)

[ConnSKINS26]

Jesus. Every time Wilson touches the ball he's a ball of fury.

 

[Raider Nation]

Okay, Hilton looks really really good.

agreed, nice body control and field awareness to come down with contested, fairly well covered pass dropped into corner of end zone by luck... he could be underrated this year...

That ship has sailed, my friend.

 

[silentcoach]

Great now every guppy in the nation wil have Hiton high on their "sleeper" list.

Good luck getting any value with him.

Why so angry? If other people know he's good, then he SHOULD go higher.

 

[pizzatyme]

That Luck to Hilton pass was reminiscent of Manning to Harrison. A thing of beauty!

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Anyone think Wilson could be this year's Spiller? As in, clearly the more talented back, but only gets <200 carries because the coach likes someone older and more dependable to get important snaps?

I prefer to think of it as Brown being criminally undervalued.

Yes, a guy who hasn't managed to stay healthy a single year so far is criminally undervalued because people don't see him as a top-10 RB. Keep fighting the good fight.

 

[Raider Nation]

That Luck to Hilton pass was reminiscent of Manning to Harrison. A thing of beauty!

I thought of the Ben to Santonio pass that won the Super Bowl.

 

[Raider Nation]

Anyone think Wilson could be this year's Spiller? As in, clearly the more talented back, but only gets <200 carries because the coach likes someone older and more dependable to get important snaps?

I prefer to think of it as Brown being criminally undervalued.

Yes, a guy who hasn't managed to stay healthy a single year so far is criminally undervalued because people don't see him as a top-10 RB. Keep fighting the good fight.

You're a very bitter guy.

 

[Getinthemix]

Gotta love thunderstorm coverage in the greater ATL over the football game.

 

[death of the cool]

Great now every guppy in the nation wil have Hiton high on their "sleeper" list.

Good luck getting any value with him.

Why so angry? If other people know he's good, then he SHOULD go higher.

I'm so confused by this response................

 

[az_prof]

Donald Brown: A threat to neither other Indy RBs nor the opposing defense.

He has looked better than Ballard so far...

 

[Bob Magaw]

Okay, Hilton looks really really good.

agreed, nice body control and field awareness to come down with contested, fairly well covered pass dropped into corner of end zone by luck... he could be underrated this year...

That ship has sailed, my friend.

he could finish top 15-20 WR (top 25-30ish as rookie, depending on format?)...

again, i haven't checked recently, but is his ADP that high?

 

[JustinHawkins]

Any targets to Fleener (is he playing?)

 

[Leonidas]

Gotta love thunderstorm coverage in the greater ATL over the football game.

Agreed.

How ####### long are they going to show us this stupid radar? This is getting really old

 

[az_prof]

Any targets to Fleener (is he playing?)

Hasselbeck just threw a deep pass down the middle to him that was incomplete.

 

[Juzaba]

Any targets to Fleener (is he playing?)

He dropped one and then got hit in the back with the second because he didn't turn his head around.

 

[pizzatyme]

Donald Brown: A threat to neither other Indy

RBs nor the opposing defense.

He has looked better than Ballard so far...

They also opened up the offense when he came in.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Gotta love thunderstorm coverage in the greater ATL over the football game.

Agreed.How ####### long are they going to show us this stupid radar? This is getting really old

Give a meteorologist prime time coverage...he's going to show you ALL his toys...

 

[JackReacher]

Fleener looks completely lost out there. Is there proof he was a Stanford man?

 

[finito]

Next thing we know, Jordan Cameron will throw a TD pass to Shane Vereen.

awesome.

 

[Wrigley]

Gotta love thunderstorm coverage in the greater ATL over the football game.

Agreed.How ####### long are they going to show us this stupid radar? This is getting really old

Give a meteorologist prime time coverage...he's going to show you ALL his toys...

yep

 

[GregR]

On the interception return, Hasselbeck trying to make the tackle ended up rolling into Fleener's leg. Fleener went down and looked pained and came up limping.

 

[freeannyong]

Don't draft Fleener. Allen can't get back soon enough for the Colts

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Anyone think Wilson could be this year's Spiller? As in, clearly the more talented back, but only gets <200 carries because the coach likes someone older and more dependable to get important snaps?

I prefer to think of it as Brown being criminally undervalued.

Yes, a guy who hasn't managed to stay healthy a single year so far is criminally undervalued because people don't see him as a top-10 RB. Keep fighting the good fight.

You're a very bitter guy.

Nah... Give Alex P. Keaton... a break he has Alzheimers...

"Coming this fall to NBC"

 

[Kenny Powers]

Okay, Hilton looks really really good.

agreed, nice body control and field awareness to come down with contested, fairly well covered pass dropped into corner of end zone by luck... he could be underrated this year...

That ship has sailed, my friend.

he could finish top 15-20 WR (top 25-30ish as rookie, depending on format?)...

again, i haven't checked recently, but is his ADP that high?

His ADP lately is WR30 or a little higher, early-mid 7th round pick.

Luckily, the WRs ahead of him are so proven I have a hard time thinking his ADP moves up much from here, but there is no way he is making it out of the 7th round at this point.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Anyone think Wilson could be this year's Spiller? As in, clearly the more talented back, but only gets <200 carries because the coach likes someone older and more dependable to get important snaps?

I prefer to think of it as Brown being criminally undervalued.

Yes, a guy who hasn't managed to stay healthy a single year so far is criminally undervalued because people don't see him as a top-10 RB. Keep fighting the good fight.

You're a very bitter guy.

You're the rock star who called him criminally undervalued.

 

[Run It Up]

Anyone think Wilson could be this year's Spiller? As in, clearly the more talented back, but only gets <200 carries because the coach likes someone older and more dependable to get important snaps?

I prefer to think of it as Brown being criminally undervalued.

Yes, a guy who hasn't managed to stay healthy a single year so far is criminally undervalued because people don't see him as a top-10 RB. Keep fighting the good fight.

You're a very bitter guy.

You're the rock star who called him criminally undervalued.

Anyone that thinks Andre Brown or David Wilson are top 15 backs are clearly biased. They will cannibalize each other into mediocrity.

 

[gianmarco]

Anyone think Wilson could be this year's Spiller? As in, clearly the more talented back, but only gets <200 carries because the coach likes someone older and more dependable to get important snaps?

I prefer to think of it as Brown being criminally undervalued.

Yes, a guy who hasn't managed to stay healthy a single year so far is criminally undervalued because people don't see him as a top-10 RB. Keep fighting the good fight.

You're a very bitter guy.

You're the rock star who called him criminally undervalued.

Anyone that thinks Andre Brown or David Wilson are top 15 backs are clearly biased. They will cannibalize each other into mediocrity.

What does the bolded statement even mean? It makes no sense. Biased in what way?

 

[Run It Up]

Anyone think Wilson could be this year's Spiller? As in, clearly the more talented back, but only gets <200 carries because the coach likes someone older and more dependable to get important snaps?

I prefer to think of it as Brown being criminally undervalued.

Yes, a guy who hasn't managed to stay healthy a single year so far is criminally undervalued because people don't see him as a top-10 RB. Keep fighting the good fight.

You're a very bitter guy.

You're the rock star who called him criminally undervalued.

Anyone that thinks Andre Brown or David Wilson are top 15 backs are clearly biased. They will cannibalize each other into mediocrity.

What does the bolded statement even mean? It makes no sense. Biased in what way?

There is not a single part of that statement that is in any way confusing. Anyone that thinks that Andre Brown OR David Wilson are top 15 backs are biased towards whichever player they think will do so.

 

[steveski]

Anyone think Wilson could be this year's Spiller? As in, clearly the more talented back, but only gets <200 carries because the coach likes someone older and more dependable to get important snaps?

I prefer to think of it as Brown being criminally undervalued.

Yes, a guy who hasn't managed to stay healthy a single year so far is criminally undervalued because people don't see him as a top-10 RB. Keep fighting the good fight.

You're a very bitter guy.

You're the rock star who called him criminally undervalued.

Anyone that thinks Andre Brown or David Wilson are top 15 backs are clearly biased. They will cannibalize each other into mediocrity.

Want to put some money down on that?

 

[Run It Up]

Anyone think Wilson could be this year's Spiller? As in, clearly the more talented back, but only gets <200 carries because the coach likes someone older and more dependable to get important snaps?

I prefer to think of it as Brown being criminally undervalued.

Yes, a guy who hasn't managed to stay healthy a single year so far is criminally undervalued because people don't see him as a top-10 RB. Keep fighting the good fight.

You're a very bitter guy.

You're the rock star who called him criminally undervalued.

Anyone that thinks Andre Brown or David Wilson are top 15 backs are clearly biased. They will cannibalize each other into mediocrity.

Want to put some money down on that?

You seem really confident, what kind of odds are you gonna give me.

 

[gianmarco]

Anyone think Wilson could be this year's Spiller? As in, clearly the more talented back, but only gets <200 carries because the coach likes someone older and more dependable to get important snaps?

I prefer to think of it as Brown being criminally undervalued.

Yes, a guy who hasn't managed to stay healthy a single year so far is criminally undervalued because people don't see him as a top-10 RB. Keep fighting the good fight.

You're a very bitter guy.

You're the rock star who called him criminally undervalued.

Anyone that thinks Andre Brown or David Wilson are top 15 backs are clearly biased. They will cannibalize each other into mediocrity.

What does the bolded statement even mean? It makes no sense. Biased in what way?

There is not a single part of that statement that is in any way confusing. Anyone that thinks that Andre Brown OR David Wilson are top 15 backs are biased towards whichever player they think will do so.

So in other words, if anyone likes a player, they are biased?

Got it. Groundbreaking stuff. Oh, and not really the definition of "biased" either. But keep up the good work.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Am I the only person who, when watching Luck, just feels disappointed? I've been critical of Luck in various threads in regards to his rookie season. Noting his lower than expected completion % among some other things. Let me say, I own Luck in a 16 team dynasty, so I do have a dog in this race and I am rooting for Luck!

Getting back to my point. I don't know what exactly it is, but he doesn't wow me when I see him play. He has a similar throwing motion to Philip Rivers where it looks like he's almost shoving the ball forward instead of throwing it. During tonight's game, he had 2 TDs (the Wayne TD was as fluky as it gets) and completed 70% of his passes, but again, it doesn't look right. I wish I could be more clear on what it is about him that makes me slightly underwhelmed. Does anyone else get a similar feeling from Luck?

E2A: I just want to be clear. I don't think Luck is going to be a bust by any means. If anything, he might peak at Eli Manning instead of a Peyton Manning. He was hyped as the most "sure" thing in the last 20 drafts at QB. My only point is he looks uncomfortable as a QB instead of fluid and precise like a Brady or Manning.

 

[ghostguy123]

So in other words, if anyone likes a player, they are biased?

Got it. Groundbreaking stuff. Oh, and not really the definition of "biased" either. But keep up the good work.

Yeah, none of what he said makes any sense, at all.

 

[Leonidas]

Anyone think Wilson could be this year's Spiller? As in, clearly the more talented back, but only gets <200 carries because the coach likes someone older and more dependable to get important snaps?

I prefer to think of it as Brown being criminally undervalued.

Yes, a guy who hasn't managed to stay healthy a single year so far is criminally undervalued because people don't see him as a top-10 RB. Keep fighting the good fight.

You're a very bitter guy.

You're the rock star who called him criminally undervalued.

Anyone that thinks Andre Brown or David Wilson are top 15 backs are clearly biased. They will cannibalize each other into mediocrity.

What does the bolded statement even mean? It makes no sense. Biased in what way?

There is not a single part of that statement that is in any way confusing. Anyone that thinks that Andre Brown OR David Wilson are top 15 backs are biased towards whichever player they think will do so.

Or they simply have a different opinion/take on the situation than you do.

I don't think either is a top 15 necessarily, but I think Wilson has the potential to be.

 

[ghostguy123]

Am I the only person who, when watching Luck, just feels disappointed? I've been critical of Luck in various threads in regards to his rookie season. Noting his lower than expected completion % among some other things. Let me say, I own Luck in a 16 team dynasty, so I do have a dog in this race and I am rooting for Luck!

Getting back to my point. I don't know what exactly it is, but he doesn't wow me when I see him play. He has a similar throwing motion to Philip Rivers where it looks like he's almost shoving the ball forward instead of throwing it. During tonight's game, he had 2 TDs (the Wayne TD was as fluky as it gets) and completed 70% of his passes, but again, it doesn't look right. I wish I could be more clear on what it is about him that makes me slightly underwhelmed. Does anyone else get a similar feeling from Luck?

No. Even when I watched him last season all I thought was that I was watching the next GREAT QB.

 

[GregR]

On the interception return, Hasselbeck trying to make the tackle ended up rolling into Fleener's leg. Fleener went down and looked pained and came up limping.

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 28m

Colts announced TE Coby Fleener has a "mild knee sprain."

 

[az_prof]

Am I the only person who, when watching Luck, just feels disappointed? I've been critical of Luck in various threads in regards to his rookie season. Noting his lower than expected completion % among some other things. Let me say, I own Luck in a 16 team dynasty, so I do have a dog in this race and I am rooting for Luck!

Getting back to my point. I don't know what exactly it is, but he doesn't wow me when I see him play. He has a similar throwing motion to Philip Rivers where it looks like he's almost shoving the ball forward instead of throwing it. During tonight's game, he had 2 TDs (the Wayne TD was as fluky as it gets) and completed 70% of his passes, but again, it doesn't look right. I wish I could be more clear on what it is about him that makes me slightly underwhelmed. Does anyone else get a similar feeling from Luck?

I do NOT own him, but wish I did. So, I think you should be pleased. Think back to his receivers last year: he has a very old Wayne and a young WR in Ty who is not exactly a physical specimen, a couple rookie TEs... I think all things considered he did really well. Like I said, I would rather have him than any other young QB in dynasty.

 

[Run It Up]

Anyone think Wilson could be this year's Spiller? As in, clearly the more talented back, but only gets <200 carries because the coach likes someone older and more dependable to get important snaps?

I prefer to think of it as Brown being criminally undervalued.

Yes, a guy who hasn't managed to stay healthy a single year so far is criminally undervalued because people don't see him as a top-10 RB. Keep fighting the good fight.

You're a very bitter guy.

You're the rock star who called him criminally undervalued.

Anyone that thinks Andre Brown or David Wilson are top 15 backs are clearly biased. They will cannibalize each other into mediocrity.

What does the bolded statement even mean? It makes no sense. Biased in what way?

There is not a single part of that statement that is in any way confusing. Anyone that thinks that Andre Brown OR David Wilson are top 15 backs are biased towards whichever player they think will do so.

So in other words, if anyone likes a player, they are biased?

Got it. Groundbreaking stuff. Oh, and not really the definition of "biased" either. But keep up the good work.

You were busting the guy because he thinks Brown is underrated, immediately putting words in his mouth suggesting that he believe Brown was a top 10 RB, well the difference between the people who are talking about Brown and the people who are talking up Wilson, is that the people who are talking up Wilson are acting like he is already a top 10 RB and that Brown isn't even in contention for the same production, when the opposite of both of those are true.

Like I said, anyone that thinks either of those two specific backs are top 15, are biased towards who they think will be. They are clearly ignoring everything except for the information that supports their opinion.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Am I the only person who, when watching Luck, just feels disappointed? I've been critical of Luck in various threads in regards to his rookie season. Noting his lower than expected completion % among some other things. Let me say, I own Luck in a 16 team dynasty, so I do have a dog in this race and I am rooting for Luck!

Getting back to my point. I don't know what exactly it is, but he doesn't wow me when I see him play. He has a similar throwing motion to Philip Rivers where it looks like he's almost shoving the ball forward instead of throwing it. During tonight's game, he had 2 TDs (the Wayne TD was as fluky as it gets) and completed 70% of his passes, but again, it doesn't look right. I wish I could be more clear on what it is about him that makes me slightly underwhelmed. Does anyone else get a similar feeling from Luck?

E2A: I just want to be clear. I don't think Luck is going to be a bust by any means. If anything, he might peak at Eli Manning instead of a Peyton Manning. He was hyped as the most "sure" thing in the last 20 drafts at QB. My only point is he looks uncomfortable as a QB instead of fluid and precise like a Brady or Manning.

I think he looks good. I'm not seeing what you see.

 

[Leonidas]

You were busting the guy because he thinks Brown is underrated, immediately putting words in his mouth suggesting that he believe Brown was a top 10 RB, well the difference between the people who are talking about Brown and the people who are talking up Wilson, is that the people who are talking up Wilson are acting like he is already a top 10 RB and that Brown isn't even in contention for the same production, when the opposite of both of those are true.

Like I said, anyone that thinks either of those two specific backs are top 15, are biased towards who they think will be. They are clearly ignoring everything except for the information that supports their opinion.

I missed where people are talking up Wilson as a top 10 RB

Do you have quotes for that?

 

[meyerj31]

This thread is seriously starting to blow monkey nuts.

Cut off your e-peens and get back to pre-season observations.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

jeebus Joe Buck is the suckage..

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Am I the only person who, when watching Luck, just feels disappointed? I've been critical of Luck in various threads in regards to his rookie season. Noting his lower than expected completion % among some other things. Let me say, I own Luck in a 16 team dynasty, so I do have a dog in this race and I am rooting for Luck!

Getting back to my point. I don't know what exactly it is, but he doesn't wow me when I see him play. He has a similar throwing motion to Philip Rivers where it looks like he's almost shoving the ball forward instead of throwing it. During tonight's game, he had 2 TDs (the Wayne TD was as fluky as it gets) and completed 70% of his passes, but again, it doesn't look right. I wish I could be more clear on what it is about him that makes me slightly underwhelmed. Does anyone else get a similar feeling from Luck?

I do NOT own him, but wish I did. So, I think you should be pleased. Think back to his receivers last year: he has a very old Wayne and a young WR in Ty who is not exactly a physical specimen, a couple rookie TEs... I think all things considered he did really well. Like I said, I would rather have him than any other young QB in dynasty.

I agree he is the safest young QB for dynasty. Again, I think Eli Manning is his career floor (fantasy aspect) which is still pretty darn solid. You know he'll play every game and he will get better. I think it's his throwing motion that's making me feel uneasy. Keep it on your radar as you watch him play and see if you notice anything.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Am I the only person who, when watching Luck, just feels disappointed? I've been critical of Luck in various threads in regards to his rookie season. Noting his lower than expected completion % among some other things. Let me say, I own Luck in a 16 team dynasty, so I do have a dog in this race and I am rooting for Luck!

Getting back to my point. I don't know what exactly it is, but he doesn't wow me when I see him play. He has a similar throwing motion to Philip Rivers where it looks like he's almost shoving the ball forward instead of throwing it. During tonight's game, he had 2 TDs (the Wayne TD was as fluky as it gets) and completed 70% of his passes, but again, it doesn't look right. I wish I could be more clear on what it is about him that makes me slightly underwhelmed. Does anyone else get a similar feeling from Luck?

I do NOT own him, but wish I did. So, I think you should be pleased. Think back to his receivers last year: he has a very old Wayne and a young WR in Ty who is not exactly a physical specimen, a couple rookie TEs... I think all things considered he did really well. Like I said, I would rather have him than any other young QB in dynasty.

me, too...

though i have luck, RGIII, wilson and kaepernick fairly tightly bunched as to young guns...

luck was called best prospect since AT LEAST manning, maybe elway...

and it turns out probably best overall QB CLASS in nearly 30 years, since elway, kelly & marino draft (o'brien had some good years with jets, too)... luck, RGIII and wilson all make playoffs (SF less of surprise, but still impressive how kaepernick led team to playoffs despite not being inserted until midseason), and IND and WAS were the first and second overall pick... are you kidding me? what would the preseason odds have been on a hypothetical vegas prop bet like that - have to be something massive?

marino had an awesome rookie year, and manning was promising, but the old norm was guys like elways and aikman getting destroyed first year...

guessing historically unprecedented for three rookie QBs to make playoffs, at least since merger?

 

[Papa Georgio]

Am I the only person who, when watching Luck, just feels disappointed? I've been critical of Luck in various threads in regards to his rookie season. Noting his lower than expected completion % among some other things. Let me say, I own Luck in a 16 team dynasty, so I do have a dog in this race and I am rooting for Luck!

Getting back to my point. I don't know what exactly it is, but he doesn't wow me when I see him play. He has a similar throwing motion to Philip Rivers where it looks like he's almost shoving the ball forward instead of throwing it. During tonight's game, he had 2 TDs (the Wayne TD was as fluky as it gets) and completed 70% of his passes, but again, it doesn't look right. I wish I could be more clear on what it is about him that makes me slightly underwhelmed. Does anyone else get a similar feeling from Luck?

E2A: I just want to be clear. I don't think Luck is going to be a bust by any means. If anything, he might peak at Eli Manning instead of a Peyton Manning. He was hyped as the most "sure" thing in the last 20 drafts at QB. My only point is he looks uncomfortable as a QB instead of fluid and precise like a Brady or Manning.

I am very impressed with him. I think he carries the team. That stat they showed at the beginning about him being the most knocked down QB is pretty interesting. A lot can be read into that if one were so inclined.

 

[Hagger]

Am I the only person who, when watching Luck, just feels disappointed? I've been critical of Luck in various threads in regards to his rookie season. Noting his lower than expected completion % among some other things. Let me say, I own Luck in a 16 team dynasty, so I do have a dog in this race and I am rooting for Luck!

Getting back to my point. I don't know what exactly it is, but he doesn't wow me when I see him play. He has a similar throwing motion to Philip Rivers where it looks like he's almost shoving the ball forward instead of throwing it. During tonight's game, he had 2 TDs (the Wayne TD was as fluky as it gets) and completed 70% of his passes, but again, it doesn't look right. I wish I could be more clear on what it is about him that makes me slightly underwhelmed. Does anyone else get a similar feeling from Luck?

E2A: I just want to be clear. I don't think Luck is going to be a bust by any means. If anything, he might peak at Eli Manning instead of a Peyton Manning. He was hyped as the most "sure" thing in the last 20 drafts at QB. My only point is he looks uncomfortable as a QB instead of fluid and precise like a Brady or Manning.

I honestly don't see anything like what you are seeing. I think he looks excellent. If anyone can be said to be the next Peyton Manning, it's him. Obviously anything can happen and we'll just have to watch and see, but I think he's as sure of a thing to be the next great QB as it gets.

 

[silentcoach]

After 2 preseason games these are the later ADP players that stand out for ppr leagues

C.Givens

A.Roberts

......A.Fasano.

Did I just write A.Fasano?!

 

[eaglesfan7]

After 2 preseason games these are the later ADP players that stand out for ppr leagues

C.Givens

A.Roberts

......A.Fasano.

Did I just write A.Fasano?!

Chris Givens is not a ppr guy. Not sure where you get that from.

 

[silentcoach]

After 2 preseason games these are the later ADP players that stand out for ppr leagues

C.Givens

A.Roberts

......A.Fasano.

Did I just write A.Fasano?!

Chris Givens is not a ppr guy. Not sure where you get that from.

4 catches in 5 targets in only 21 pass attempts by Bradford. Looks good to me. Small sample size, of course, but it is a good trend.

Now we wait for game 3.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

After 2 preseason games these are the later ADP players that stand out for ppr leagues

C.Givens

A.Roberts

......A.Fasano.

Did I just write A.Fasano?!

Chris Givens is not a ppr guy. Not sure where you get that from.

4 catches in 5 targets in only 21 pass attempts by Bradford. Looks good to me. Small sample size, of course, but it is a good trend.

Now we wait for game 3.

Do you know what "trend" means?