Preseason Game Observations (1 Viewer)

[silentcoach]

After 2 preseason games these are the later ADP players that stand out for ppr leagues

C.Givens

A.Roberts

......A.Fasano.

Did I just write A.Fasano?!

Chris Givens is not a ppr guy. Not sure where you get that from.

4 catches in 5 targets in only 21 pass attempts by Bradford. Looks good to me. Small sample size, of course, but it is a good trend.

Now we wait for game 3.

Do you know what "trend" means?

Givens had 2 targets in game 1 and 3 targets in game 2. That is a good "trend" because his target rate seems to be increased over last years (on a per pass attempt basis when compared to last year).

Of course, "trend" of 2 games, back to back, is the smallest basis for a trend that you can even have, but a positive one to take note of.

2012: 80 targets of 551 pass attempts

2013 preseason: 5 targets of pass 21 attempts

Now we wait for game 3 and see if it keeps up...

I am not suggesting it will keep up but it is something that we can keep an eye on and capitalize on if it holds true.

Does that work, professor?

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

On the interception return, Hasselbeck trying to make the tackle ended up rolling into Fleener's leg. Fleener went down and looked pained and came up limping.

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 28m

Colts announced TE Coby Fleener has a "mild knee sprain

Also his hands are backward."

 

[SameSongNDance]

Wilson looked good tonight, but so did Brown. I still think Wilson in the late 3rd/early 4th is still merited due to his upside but Brown we'll almost certainly stick around unless he gets injured. It's not an optimal fantasy situation IMO.

 

[rickyg]

This thread is seriously starting to blow monkey nuts.

Cut off your e-peens and get back to pre-season observations.

Spot on, Meyer...if I didn know better I would think that I'm stuck in a never ending episode of gossip girl with all of the #####y bickering that goes on in these forums.

No need to go at each other constantly guys its just fantasy football.

 

[rickyg]

This thread is seriously starting to blow monkey nuts.

Cut off your e-peens and get back to pre-season observations.

Spot on, Meyer...if I didn know better I would think that I'm stuck in a never ending episode of gossip girl with all of the #####y bickering that goes on in these forums.

No need to go at each other constantly guys its just fantasy football.

 

[skinsrule05]

My impressions from yesterday's games (it's only 1 set of games from the 2nd week of the preseason...i know...but these are my takeaways):

• Gio Bernard looked explosive. Great at catching, good inside runs. BJGE is going to have a tough time making this a 50/50 split as long as Gio can pass protect. Dalton looks good...as a Bengals' fan I'm hoping he can get to an Eli Manning level. Sanu seemed to be making catches with AJ Green not in the lineup.
• Chris Johnson looks good, but it still seems he either gets stuffed at the line or busts a 8 yd run...I expect more of the same inconsistency from week to week. I want to get excited about Britt, but it seems like it will be tough for him to break out with Locker as his QB.
• Tannehill looked bad at first, then improved. Wallace seems like he'll get his fair share of targets. RB situation was interesting. Miller missed a 3rd down catch and looked ok overall....while DThomas actually looked pretty good and busted a couple of 7+ yd gains. Not sure how much to read into that.
• Ben Tate looked pretty good. Hopkins looks like a reliable receiver for the Texans. I thought I heard he was injured but I haven't read about any updates. ODaniels looked reliable and had 2 nice plays on a QB rollout to the left and his TD grab.
• Lacy looked very good. He's a big man and was solid inside, nimble and quick to the outside, and had a nice catch and run. I'm not sure I have a lot of faith for GB's oline to open up a lot of holes, but Rodgers should keep defenses honest. Franklin didn't do much of anything against STL's 1st defense. Finley seemed like he was targeted almost every play...but with Nelson and Cobb out (I assume Cobb was not playing), that probably helped his targets. Still, Finley definitely impressed. James Jones looked good but he still has the occasional drop.
• Pead seemed decent to good with his carries. Richardson is much quicker and seems like a better receiver out of the backfield. Seems like the Rams would be wise to use a RBBC with Pead and Richardson, but for Fantasy purposes Richardson seems more explosive. Pead did get most of the work in this game though. Givens appears only able to make 50+ yd receptions. Hopefully he can get more involved on intermediate passes. Tavon Austin looked decent, but I'd rather gamble on Givens in FF. Cook made a great grab on a low thrown ball and showed great after-the-catch ability. If they target him more, seems like he could be a solid fantasy starter.
• Fitz and Palmer seem on the same page. Palmer looks like he'll throw it a lot this year. Roberts was making a number of nice catches and was targeted early and often. I was disappointed that MFloyd did little. I'm definitely keeping my eye on Roberts the rest of the preseason. That Oline and running game look uninspiring. I think i'll be avoiding Mendy and that entire backfield this year.
• Murray looked decent (neither bad nor fantastic). Dez looks ready for a big year (although that fumble wasn't pretty). Austin continues to make me think he's a value pick this year. Lance Dunbar is ridiculously fast (also had a bad fumble after a great catch and run). DAL needs to reduce their turnovers. I'm guessing Dunbar, despite the fumble, has a firm grasp on the #2 RB spot...?
• Jet's Oline looks improved. Powell had some big holes to run through and made a few nice runs. Ivory didn't seem to have those same holes. Sanchez didn't look awful. Kerley is the only WR i'll consider in this offense. Still not impressed with Hill, who had a drop or 2.
• Gabbert looked decent (never thought i'd type that). Blackmon looks like he'll be decent when he returns from his suspension, he and gabbert connected on a couple of nice timing routes. Would like to see shorts back ASAP. Toddman (JAX RB) looked very quick. MJD only played 1 series and looked a little bigger (stomach) than usual but made a nice run and a good catch+run. Not a whole lot to see from the offense during this game. DRobinson looks electric, but I'm not sure how much he'll be used.
• Hillman looked more explosive with better cuts than Ball, but that fumble at the goal-line was disastrous. Thomas will be a stud and right now i'd put my money on Welker over Decker. Broncos still need to iron out a few things on offense
• RWilson is fun to watch. Efficient and accurate and great on the run. SEA must have one of the top (if not the top) backfields in the NFL. Turbin looked great. My only question is how many fewer carries will Lynch get with Turbin and Michael looking so good...SEA will be in the playoffs and probably won't want to use Lynch late in games I would imagine. Tate looks ready to step up and he's a guy that continues to impress me. Would like to see Rice back in the lineup. Not sure if he or Tate is the value play here.

One thing I have been noticing is the BJGE hate and the fact people are forgetting about him. Gio is small and is not great at pass blocking, BJGE has multiple 1000 yard seasons and is back who is coming of a 20+ catch season. He has low miles and has a nose for the goal line, even though he only ended up with 6 last year. While Gio is "explosive," many teams employ 2 backs, and BJGE is a talented back as well. I see more than a 50/50 split in carries for the Firm while Gio will catch more passes.

BGE is a straight up plodder, there's no point in sugar coating it. He averaged sub 4 YPC before leaving NE and sub 4 YPC on CIN last year. He's safe but nothing special and it wouldn't take too much for Gio to usurp the throne IMO.

This is exactly what I was going to write. BJGE has never done anything special and has gotten over 1000 yards (barely) when he has plenty of carries. Based on pure skill I would think a team that is about to take off like Cincy would want the more dynamic player back there. Now we have to see if he can pick up the basics (pass protect, protecting the football).

 

[FDC]

Am I the only person who, when watching Luck, just feels disappointed? I've been critical of Luck in various threads in regards to his rookie season. Noting his lower than expected completion % among some other things. Let me say, I own Luck in a 16 team dynasty, so I do have a dog in this race and I am rooting for Luck!

Getting back to my point. I don't know what exactly it is, but he doesn't wow me when I see him play. He has a similar throwing motion to Philip Rivers where it looks like he's almost shoving the ball forward instead of throwing it. During tonight's game, he had 2 TDs (the Wayne TD was as fluky as it gets) and completed 70% of his passes, but again, it doesn't look right. I wish I could be more clear on what it is about him that makes me slightly underwhelmed. Does anyone else get a similar feeling from Luck?

E2A: I just want to be clear. I don't think Luck is going to be a bust by any means. If anything, he might peak at Eli Manning instead of a Peyton Manning. He was hyped as the most "sure" thing in the last 20 drafts at QB. My only point is he looks uncomfortable as a QB instead of fluid and precise like a Brady or Manning.

I get what you are saying.

To me he is almost like a cross between Big Ben and Eli. Real NFL value will likely always exceed fantasy value. Won't necessarily wow you with Rodgers type plays.

 

[pantherclub]

I think Luck will be the bet nfl qb in 2 years.

 

[Khy]

Am I the only person who, when watching Luck, just feels disappointed? I've been critical of Luck in various threads in regards to his rookie season. Noting his lower than expected completion % among some other things. Let me say, I own Luck in a 16 team dynasty, so I do have a dog in this race and I am rooting for Luck!

Getting back to my point. I don't know what exactly it is, but he doesn't wow me when I see him play. He has a similar throwing motion to Philip Rivers where it looks like he's almost shoving the ball forward instead of throwing it. During tonight's game, he had 2 TDs (the Wayne TD was as fluky as it gets) and completed 70% of his passes, but again, it doesn't look right. I wish I could be more clear on what it is about him that makes me slightly underwhelmed. Does anyone else get a similar feeling from Luck?

E2A: I just want to be clear. I don't think Luck is going to be a bust by any means. If anything, he might peak at Eli Manning instead of a Peyton Manning. He was hyped as the most "sure" thing in the last 20 drafts at QB. My only point is he looks uncomfortable as a QB instead of fluid and precise like a Brady or Manning.

I get what you are saying.

To me he is almost like a cross between Big Ben and Eli. Real NFL value will likely always exceed fantasy value. Won't necessarily wow you with Rodgers type plays.

I did see this last season a little bit but I think it's too soon to put him in that Ben and Eli range of fantasy value. If he ends the season again with like 4300 yards and 25 or less TDs then I think it's safe to start wondering if he'll forever be one of those "amazing NFL QBs that don't quite stack up in the fantasy world". Until then though, I'd relax on this type of talk as it's not very warranted.

 

[The Ref]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

Lacy a bump up too

 

[pantherclub]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

dez looks untouchable

 

[Pipes]

Am I the only person who, when watching Luck, just feels disappointed? I've been critical of Luck in various threads in regards to his rookie season. Noting his lower than expected completion % among some other things. Let me say, I own Luck in a 16 team dynasty, so I do have a dog in this race and I am rooting for Luck!

Getting back to my point. I don't know what exactly it is, but he doesn't wow me when I see him play. He has a similar throwing motion to Philip Rivers where it looks like he's almost shoving the ball forward instead of throwing it. During tonight's game, he had 2 TDs (the Wayne TD was as fluky as it gets) and completed 70% of his passes, but again, it doesn't look right. I wish I could be more clear on what it is about him that makes me slightly underwhelmed. Does anyone else get a similar feeling from Luck?

E2A: I just want to be clear. I don't think Luck is going to be a bust by any means. If anything, he might peak at Eli Manning instead of a Peyton Manning. He was hyped as the most "sure" thing in the last 20 drafts at QB. My only point is he looks uncomfortable as a QB instead of fluid and precise like a Brady or Manning.

I get what you are saying.

To me he is almost like a cross between Big Ben and Eli. Real NFL value will likely always exceed fantasy value. Won't necessarily wow you with Rodgers type plays.

I disagree. Luck is much more athletic than those 2 and should rush for a few TD's every year which puts him ahead of this group.

 

[Blick]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

dez looks untouchable

What about a stock-down report?

Foster - for health reasons

Any Charger

Any Raider

?

 

[pantherclub]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

dez looks untouchable

What about a stock-down report?

Foster - for health reasons

Any Charger

Any Raider

?

Newton maybe, but its hard to tell who isnt doing well in preseason.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Am I the only person who, when watching Luck, just feels disappointed? I've been critical of Luck in various threads in regards to his rookie season. Noting his lower than expected completion % among some other things. Let me say, I own Luck in a 16 team dynasty, so I do have a dog in this race and I am rooting for Luck!

Getting back to my point. I don't know what exactly it is, but he doesn't wow me when I see him play. He has a similar throwing motion to Philip Rivers where it looks like he's almost shoving the ball forward instead of throwing it. During tonight's game, he had 2 TDs (the Wayne TD was as fluky as it gets) and completed 70% of his passes, but again, it doesn't look right. I wish I could be more clear on what it is about him that makes me slightly underwhelmed. Does anyone else get a similar feeling from Luck?

E2A: I just want to be clear. I don't think Luck is going to be a bust by any means. If anything, he might peak at Eli Manning instead of a Peyton Manning. He was hyped as the most "sure" thing in the last 20 drafts at QB. My only point is he looks uncomfortable as a QB instead of fluid and precise like a Brady or Manning.

I get what you are saying.

To me he is almost like a cross between Big Ben and Eli. Real NFL value will likely always exceed fantasy value. Won't necessarily wow you with Rodgers type plays.

I disagree. Luck is much more athletic than those 2 and should rush for a few TD's every year which puts him ahead of this group.

with a player like Luck, you dont mess with his mechanics, its worked for him. Who cares if he as hitch, he will get it done

 

[omally]

Newton maybe, but its hard to tell who isnt doing well in preseason.

When has Newton ever done well in the preseason?

 

[Shutout]

I think the people that overreacted to all the Lacy news and concerns and draft spot, etc might end up kicking themselves.

I just watched the game vs. the Rams and A)its pre-season and B)its a small sample size but if he continues to run like that and stay on the field in those situations, this could easily be a guy that ends up with 1150/10-12Tds by default. A guy that hard to bring down has the look of that kind of back that busts a 30 yard Td late in the 4th qaurter 4-5 times a year just because they have worn down the defense and its hard to imagine a scenario where a D can commit extra bodies to stopping him. They will simply shift Cobb or Finley and draw those mid-level defenders out and if they really want to run, Finley is a pretty good blocker (but doesn't get talked about much).

 

[pantherclub]

Newton maybe, but its hard to tell who isnt doing well in preseason.

When has Newton ever done well in the preseason?

yeah that is kindof what I was saying, its hard to use preseason as a gauge of who is not playing well

 

[FDC]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

Vick, McCoy, Chris Johnson, Lacy deserve a mention

 

[Khy]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

dez looks untouchable

What about a stock-down report?

Foster - for health reasons

Any Charger

Any Raider

?

Newton maybe, but its hard to tell who isnt doing well in preseason.

Foster had a huge downgrade for me. He had a small downgrade on my personal rankings before all these lingering issues. Just from his decrease in production and my worry about injury concerns with how high his work load has been the past 3 seasons. At this point he's like a tail end of the First Round guy I think... there are to many perfectly healthy backs that should produce around Foster's level that I don't know the risk is worth it with him right now. I did my big money league yesterday that went AP, Martin, Charles, TRich, Foster and I was a little blown away at Foster being taken at 5th with guys like Spiller, McCoy, Lynch and Morris still hanging around (non-ppr league).

 

[Hoss Style]

My impressions from yesterday's games (it's only 1 set of games from the 2nd week of the preseason...i know...but these are my takeaways):

Gio Bernard looked explosive. Great at catching, good inside runs. BJGE is going to have a tough time making this a 50/50 split ...

[...]

...to see Rice back in the lineup. Not sure if he or Tate is the value play here.

This write up was great. Thank you. I didn't have time to go over each game.

 

[silentcoach]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

dez looks untouchable

What about a stock-down report?

Foster - for health reasons

Any Charger

Any Raider

?

I've mentioned it before, but G.Olsen had 1 target in a game where Ginn and Lafell received multiple. I have no idea if this new OC will help Olsen.

I was high on Olsen, but I have soured a bit. Let's see what happens in game 3.

Another guy I have been disappointed in is D.Bowe.

 

[Clifford]

Wilson looked good tonight, but so did Brown. I still think Wilson in the late 3rd/early 4th is still merited due to his upside but Brown we'll almost certainly stick around unless he gets injured. It's not an optimal fantasy situation IMO.

I'm liking Lacy and Bell better than the NY situation or the MIA situation right now.

Good RBs are hard to find this year.

 

[Banger]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

dez looks untouchable

What about a stock-down report?

Foster - for health reasons

Any Charger

Any Raider

?

I've mentioned it before, but G.Olsen had 1 target in a game where Ginn and Lafell received multiple. I have no idea if this new OC will help Olsen.

I was high on Olsen, but I have soured a bit. Let's see what happens in game 3.

Another guy I have been disappointed in is D.Bowe.

I wouldn't worry or take anything out of Bowe's activity or lack thereof in the offense through a couple preseason games. He's by far the best WR on the team, they are going to pass the ball more and quite frankly I'm very glad he's been absent so far in hopes that maybe he falls a few spots and becomes a better value.

 

[drfeelgood]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

dez looks untouchable

What about a stock-down report?

Foster - for health reasons

Any Charger

Any Raider

?

I've mentioned it before, but G.Olsen had 1 target in a game where Ginn and Lafell received multiple. I have no idea if this new OC will help Olsen.

I was high on Olsen, but I have soured a bit. Let's see what happens in game 3.

Another guy I have been disappointed in is D.Bowe.

Teams don't usually show their real offensive schemes in preseason games. I wouldn't sour on a player based on their lack of reps in preseason.

 

[silentcoach]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

dez looks untouchable

What about a stock-down report?

Foster - for health reasons

Any Charger

Any Raider

?

I've mentioned it before, but G.Olsen had 1 target in a game where Ginn and Lafell received multiple. I have no idea if this new OC will help Olsen.

I was high on Olsen, but I have soured a bit. Let's see what happens in game 3.

Another guy I have been disappointed in is D.Bowe.

Teams don't usually show their real offensive schemes in preseason games. I wouldn't sour on a player based on their lack of reps in preseason.

This is true, as we saw RG3 run wild and not run wild in the presseason, but when you have a new coordinator in town and don't see the simple passes (targets) to Olsen you start to wonder if you need to look into that scheme more. I then have to understand that the previous OC was "te friendly."

And the reps have been there, just not the targets, but I'm guessing you meant in the same way, which I get.

I would be lying if I said I'm "just as confident" right now as I was before, because then I am just "hoping" it works out. I have not added him to my DND list, but he definitely has not solidified the high expectations that I had (I know his ADP was low, but I saw him as a huge buy).

And yes, sample size is low, so, again, these are "preseason observations" and we do the best we can.

I anxiously await game 3.

 

[nirad3]

That's awesome. Am I supposed to be impressed?

You mentioned using quartiles in elementary school. Why was that? It sounded like you were dismissing the notion as beneath any serious study. I think quartiles in understanding what is and what isn't an outlier is a good idea. Or you could just go by jersey color and randomly piss on someone else's ideas to entertain yourself.

That's not what I meant. Apologize for it coming off like that.

 

[Phenix]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

Lacy a bump up too

So did Wallace with his play and the fact they lost Keller.

Andre Brown with the fact he gets some drives all by himself and every 3rd down.

While Reggie has been steady high up on the draft boards, I think Reggie got the bump he needed for everyone to see he is going to be a PPR hoss, some were still on the fence, I do not think any are now.

 

[FF Ninja]

After 2 preseason games these are the later ADP players that stand out for ppr leagues

C.Givens

A.Roberts

......A.Fasano.

Did I just write A.Fasano?!

Is Fasano going to start over Kelce and Moeaki? I can't see drafting him in normal leagues, but he'd be a decent safe play for best-ball leagues. He's only $2 in the subscriber contest...

 

[FDC]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

Apparently Kirk Cousins too

@nfldraftscout
There is serious, credible hype building around Kirk Cousins being worth a first-round pick in a trade. First Peter King, now Jon Gruden.

 

[Khy]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

Lacy a bump up too

So did Wallace with his play and the fact they lost Keller.

Andre Brown with the fact he gets some drives all by himself and every 3rd down.

While Reggie has been steady high up on the draft boards, I think Reggie got the bump he needed for everyone to see he is going to be a PPR hoss, some were still on the fence, I do not think any are now.

Wallace did seem pretty good... as for Brown I don't think this is a situation we'll really know until the start of the season.

It could be that the Giants are seeing a true timeshare here or it could be that they just want each of them to get some time with the first team in the preseason and still ends up resulting in Wilson seeing 65-75% of the snaps that a lot of people are predicting. One observation I did make last night was that Brown wasn't in on 'every passing down and goal line situation' like people seemed to be saying was going to happen. Wilson caught two nice passes from the backfield with small chip blocks given on his way out for them. Brown looked solid but Wilson seemed impressive. He broke off a few decent runs, one amazing run and two very good receptions on top of no blown pass blocks that I made note of during the game.

Either way, I think we'll truly know the split in the NYG backfield come Sunday Night Week 1. Personally I'm buying on Wilson being 65%+ of the snaps with Brown coming in as the change of pace/3rd down guy. As a homer I just have to believe that Coughlin and Gilbride know what someone with Wilson's explosiveness can bring to the offense. You saw it on that first drive of the game last night where Wilson broke off something like 3 yard run, 5 yard run, 21 yard run. Then Eli setup the perfect Play Action pass to Cruz for a big PI call (also on that play Wilson was wide open underneath and in a normal game there's a solid shot Eli takes those guaranteed yards with Wilson in space). This is the type of offense the Giants want to run and Wilson gives them the best opportunity for this type of play on top of being a threat to take any touch he gets to the house from anywhere on the field.

 

[nirad3]

Probably already been mentioned but I thought Eddie Lacy looked pretty darn good in the no-huddle offense. Couple of nice runs - one that featured a pretty sweet spin move - and looked good in pass coverage and catching the ball.

 

[pantherclub]

If you were writing a stock market report after preseason week 2, what players value has increased the most? From reading this thread it seems like...

Vereen (PPR)

TY Hilton

Bernard

Cameron

That sound about right?

Apparently Kirk Cousins too

@nfldraftscout
There is serious, credible hype building around Kirk Cousins being worth a first-round pick in a trade. First Peter King, now Jon Gruden.

gtfo

King is a #######

 

[JustinHawkins]

perhaps King means Kurt was worth a 1st round pick in the NFL draft. That isn't outrageous considering how well he has looked/played so far in his short career.

 

[pantherclub]

Nobody is going to trade a first for Cousins. It doesnt even make a bit of sense. King is just being played by the Skins if anything.

 

[FDC]

Cousins > Kolb and Kolb got a 2nd rounder and DRC

 

[Donnybrook]

Peter King also thought that Percy Harvin was good bet to start week 1.

Seriously, if the Skins could get a 1st round pick for Cousins they are better off not starting him tonight.

 

[Khy]

Cousins > Kolb and Kolb got a 2nd rounder and DRC

Kolb looked really good to in his couple of games that got him a second rounder. Same can be said for Cassel etc. these guys sometimes shine in certain systems. It's asinine to give up a first round pick for someone like Cousins.

 

[pantherclub]

Peter King also thought that Percy Harvin was good bet to start week 1.

Seriously, if the Skins could get a 1st round pick for Cousins they are better off not starting him tonight.

he also said Danny Wueffler should be drafted first round in fantasy because Spurrier is going to revolutionize the game

 

[mad sweeney]

Seattles OLine is grossly underrated, Lynch is a Top 5 runner, not really because of talent, but because in part of that OLine and Offense.

I couldn't disagree more strongly with your assessment of Lynch as a runner. He is a rare physically dominant RB. He fits Seattle's system perfectly.

Seattle's O-line is in a transition at both guard positions. They're not close to naming starters at either guard spot. They're set at both tackles and center. If anything, IMO more credit needs to be given to Tom Cable. When he showed up in Seattle the entire tone of the offense changed for the better.

Wilsons arm is telling me they will run A LOT.

Could you be more specific here? What are you saying about Wilson's arm?

LOL, I meant not really because of talent as in his talent isn't the only reason. If it matters I have Lynch as my #4 RB, so I value him way more than most. Talent he does not lack.

As for Wilson, he had a lot of bad throws last night, overthrew WRs a couple times, looks like his arm is inconsistent. While he still may put up numbers, running is what's going to lead this team to the NFC Title game.

I saw/reacted much the same last night, however after further review he only missed on 4 passes. 141.0 QB rating 2TD's blah blah blah.

Kid is a monster.

At least two of those completions were absolutely spot on, no one but th WR could get to passes. And one of those was after a fumbled snap. Plus the extra heat he put on the TD pass to McGrath was perfect. Every time he rolled out of the pocket he was looking to pass and at least once should've run it instead of the overthrow he made. Just the TD to Kearse after the fumbled snap shows this kid's game in a nutshell: no panic, no pressure, just playing the game.

 

[silentcoach]

After 2 preseason games these are the later ADP players that stand out for ppr leagues

C.Givens

A.Roberts

......A.Fasano.

Did I just write A.Fasano?!

Is Fasano going to start over Kelce and Moeaki? I can't see drafting him in normal leagues, but he'd be a decent safe play for best-ball leagues. He's only $2 in the subscriber contest...

Good point. Who knows at this point. They did sign Fasano for 4 years 16 million so I guess Reid (or the GM) did "like him." Moeaki was just recently cleared to practice (July 23) so it will be interesting to see how the depth chart plays out.

Kelce is a wild card.

 

[FDC]

Cousins > Kolb and Kolb got a 2nd rounder and DRC

Kolb looked really good to in his couple of games that got him a second rounder. Same can be said for Cassel etc. these guys sometimes shine in certain systems. It's asinine to give up a first round pick for someone like Cousins.

I'm not saying it is a good decision - just that it is not completely out of the realm of possibility.

We've seen Wheeden, Ponder, Tannehill, Locker, Tebow receive a 1st in recent years. You don't have to be an overwhelming prospect to demand 1st round value at the QB position.

 

[JustinHawkins]

Yep, when you look at other QBs taken in the first round over the past few years, it absolutely is not crazy to think Cousins is worth a first to a team in need. He's looked calm and poised way beyond his years. Shanny will easily get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him, if not a first when they decide to move him. Not bad for a late 4th rounder.

 

[Donnybrook]

Why would the Skins move him in the first place? They might need him.

 

[steveski]

Why would the Skins move him in the first place? They might need him.

I don't think they'd move him this year. He's cheap and I think they want to make sure they can get RG3 to a place where he's not so prone to injury. If RG3 isn't being knocked around all year then I could see them trading Cousins next year and I absolutely think he's worth a 1st round pick if you need it bad enough.

 

[Donnybrook]

Yep, when you look at other QBs taken in the first round over the past few years, it absolutely is not crazy to think Cousins is worth a first to a team in need. He's looked calm and poised way beyond his years. Shanny will easily get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him, if not a first when they decide to move him. Not bad for a late 4th rounder.

This makes him sound like a young Matt Flynn.

 

[meyerj31]

Yep, when you look at other QBs taken in the first round over the past few years, it absolutely is not crazy to think Cousins is worth a first to a team in need. He's looked calm and poised way beyond his years. Shanny will easily get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him, if not a first when they decide to move him. Not bad for a late 4th rounder.

0% chance a team trades a solid QB who is under the cheap rookie scale for 3 more years. Especially when you have an injury-prone QB. You can't buy that kind of insurance. It would be hard to turn down a 1st for him but no team is offering a 1st for him anyway so that is pointless speculation. Cousins will be on the Redskins until the end of his deal, developing his potential, and after that we'll see. Personally I think he has the look of a career backup. That's not a bad thing ... lots of teams could use major upgrades to their backup QB situations.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Yep, when you look at other QBs taken in the first round over the past few years, it absolutely is not crazy to think Cousins is worth a first to a team in need. He's looked calm and poised way beyond his years. Shanny will easily get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him, if not a first when they decide to move him. Not bad for a late 4th rounder.

0% chance a team trades a solid QB who is under the cheap rookie scale for 3 more years. Especially when you have an injury-prone QB. You can't buy that kind of insurance. It would be hard to turn down a 1st for him but no team is offering a 1st for him anyway so that is pointless speculation. Cousins will be on the Redskins until the end of his deal, developing his potential, and after that we'll see. Personally I think he has the look of a career backup. That's not a bad thing ... lots of teams could use major upgrades to their backup QB situations.

Cousins probably won't re-sign with the Redskins since he'll be anticipating a chance to start. So the Redskins will probably try to trade him closer to the end of the contract.

 

[stbugs]

I think the people that overreacted to all the Lacy news and concerns and draft spot, etc might end up kicking themselves.

I just watched the game vs. the Rams and A)its pre-season and B)its a small sample size but if he continues to run like that and stay on the field in those situations, this could easily be a guy that ends up with 1150/10-12Tds by default. A guy that hard to bring down has the look of that kind of back that busts a 30 yard Td late in the 4th qaurter 4-5 times a year just because they have worn down the defense and its hard to imagine a scenario where a D can commit extra bodies to stopping him. They will simply shift Cobb or Finley and draw those mid-level defenders out and if they really want to run, Finley is a pretty good blocker (but doesn't get talked about much).

I don't want to rain on your parade, because I like Lacy this year, but 30 yard TDs 4-5 times a year doesn't happen much at all and when it does, it is usually in a historic season or in a great season by a guy with jets. All the guys in the article below from Grantland on CJ1K this year had between 1454-2097 yards on the year. If Lacy does in fact get 4-5 30 yard TDs, he is most likely in discussions as a top 5 pick next year.

Like what? Well, start with those long touchdown runs. During that big season, Johnson had seven touchdown runs of 30 yards or more. Does that seem like a lot? It is. It's the most any player has had in one season since Jim Brown had seven such touchdowns in 1958. There have been only 23 instances of a guy accruing even four 30-plus yard touchdowns since the merger, let alone seven. Somehow, last year, three guys managed to rack up four or more, as Jamaal Charles and Adrian Peterson each had four, while Doug Martin finished with five.