Preseason Game Observations (1 Viewer)

[tjnc09]

on a lighter note Ed Hercules Hochuli seems to have lost a lot of size...

Are you sure you weren't looking at his son the ref?

 

[tjnc09]

Does Mort realize there is not actually an NFL team called the JagWIRES?

Looks like you can add that to your pet peeve list in the wagering thread

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Pittsburgh needs a backup QB.

Gruden thinks Gradkowski is a great QB though

 

[Run It Up]

Pittsburgh needs a backup QB.

Gruden thinks Gradkowski is a great QB though

Gruden thinks 'player x' is an 'animal y' too.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

This Sudfeld stuff is getting out of hand.

 

[Run It Up]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

This Sudfeld stuff is getting out of hand.

Might as well bump Finley.

 

[jurb26]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

This Sudfeld stuff is getting out of hand.

It's the hair. It's all about the hair, man.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Pittsburgh needs a backup QB.

Gruden thinks Gradkowski is a great QB though

Gruden thinks 'player x' is an 'animal y' too.

I'm just sayin

He was a better football coach than a commentator, that's for sure. I don't even think that's the real Gruden that we see now. It's like a doppelganger.

 

[Donnybrook]

• Ponder is not an NFL QB or even CFL QB, to be honest. A backup in Cousins is better than this guy can dream.

This is signature worthy material.

 

[Biabreakable]

I just find it interesting they list Kelce ahead of Moeaki even though they started Moeaki over Kelce. As far as I know Kelce is healthy.

Kelce had a groin injury a couple weeks ago.

Thank you.

 

[J Giles Band]

• Ponder is not an NFL QB or even CFL QB, to be honest. A backup in Cousins is better than this guy can dream.

This is signature worthy material.

Safe to say NFL teams won't come calling when there is a GM opening...

 

[Sabertooth]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

 

[ldizzle]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

 

[Sabertooth]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

I would think that being drafted would be a better indicator than not being drafted.

 

[oswizzle]

No way Foles even sniffs the field if Vick can bring his "A" game.... Vick was saying this was the Vanilla watered down version of Chips Offense...

Vick to DJax is going to be money and dude is primed for a Top 10 WR if Vick stays Healthy and He's going for cheap right now

Vick is going to be a Steal this year

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

I would think that being drafted would be a better indicator than not being drafted.

Antonio Gates wasn't drafted, but Sudfeld doesn't have his excuse of not having played college football.

 

[cdubz]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

I would think that being drafted would be a better indicator than not being drafted.

He is also an injury-prone 24 year old, so that might have something to do with it. Da'Rick Rogers also wasn't drafted, are we to assume he is less talented than all the filler WRs that went in the later rounds?

That said, I think Kelce is significantly more talented.

 

[Hoss Style]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

I would think that being drafted would be a better indicator than not being drafted.

He is also an injury-prone 24 year old, so that might have something to do with it. Da'Rick Rogers also wasn't drafted, are we to assume he is less talented than all the filler WRs that went in the later rounds?

That said, I think Kelce is significantly more talented.

Maybe I'm the one missing the point, but it seems to me that when he says "I would think that being drafted would be a better indicator than not being drafted" he's saying that if you had to bet on talent you'd win a lot more if you bet on guys who were drafted than those who weren't. Bringing up Gates or Da'Rick Rodgers has nothing to do with what he was saying. He wasn't talking about exceptions, from what I read.

 

[cdubz]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

I would think that being drafted would be a better indicator than not being drafted.

He is also an injury-prone 24 year old, so that might have something to do with it. Da'Rick Rogers also wasn't drafted, are we to assume he is less talented than all the filler WRs that went in the later rounds?

That said, I think Kelce is significantly more talented.

Maybe I'm the one missing the point, but it seems to me that when he says "I would think that being drafted would be a better indicator than not being drafted" he's saying that if you had to bet on talent you'd win a lot more if you bet on guys who were drafted than those who weren't. Bringing up Gates or Da'Rick Rodgers has nothing to do with what he was saying. He wasn't talking about exceptions, from what I read.

If that is all he is claiming, then it is a strawman argument. No one was claiming otherwise.

 

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I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

Brady was 6th rounder... I don't think the NFL draft is the be-all end-all of talent evaluation.

 

[cstu]

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I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

Brady was 6th rounder... I don't think the NFL draft is the be-all end-all of talent evaluation.

Let's be honest, if Sudfeld was anywhere besides NE we wouldn't be talking about him right now. He's simply not special physically, that has nothing to do with where he was drafted. He's a decently talented TE in the perfect position to succeed.

 

[Run It Up]

" post="15839561" timestamp="1377029260"]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

Brady was 6th rounder... I don't think the NFL draft is the be-all end-all of talent evaluation.

Let's be honest, if Sudfeld was anywhere besides NE we wouldn't be talking about him right now. He's simply not special physically, that has nothing to do with where he was drafted. He's a decently talented TE in the perfect position to succeed.

He has the frame and build and he landed in a system that will propel him into relevance.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Which, even if you're right, does not qualify as "sick talent".

 

[Run It Up]

Which, even if you're right, does not qualify as "sick talent".

I guess our definition of talent is different, I don't think you can excel in the Pats system unless you are disciplined and smart with good hands and timing as well as being physically talented. I don't think talent is one dimensionally referring to someones physical prowess.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

When someone says sick talent, I consider Paul Gaugiun, who was a great painter that died of syphilis. Or maybe Freddie Mercury, who sang for Queen and died of AIDS. Those people were sick talents.

 

[DropKick]

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I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

Brady was 6th rounder... I don't think the NFL draft is the be-all end-all of talent evaluation.

Let's be honest, if Sudfeld was anywhere besides NE we wouldn't be talking about him right now. He's simply not special physically, that has nothing to do with where he was drafted. He's a decently talented TE in the perfect position to succeed.

He has the frame and build and he landed in a system that will propel him into relevance.

Homer alert?

 

[DropKick]

When someone says sick talent, I consider Paul Gaugiun, who was a great painter that died of syphilis. Or maybe Freddie Mercury, who sang for Queen and died of AIDS. Those people were sick talents.

 

[loose circuits]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

I would think that being drafted would be a better indicator than not being drafted.

Antonio Gates wasn't drafted, but Sudfeld doesn't have his excuse of not having played college football.

he barely played due to injury if memory serves...

 

[Beerguzzler]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

I would think that being drafted would be a better indicator than not being drafted.

Antonio Gates wasn't drafted, but Sudfeld doesn't have his excuse of not having played college football.

he barely played due to injury if memory serves...

Barely played in college? Gates didn't play football at all till the NFL (he was an undersized power forward). He played 15 games his first year, he was just raw as hell. It's not a good comparison IMO.

 

[ldizzle]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

I would think that being drafted would be a better indicator than not being drafted.

Antonio Gates wasn't drafted, but Sudfeld doesn't have his excuse of not having played college football.

he barely played due to injury if memory serves...

Barely played in college? Gates didn't play football at all till the NFL (he was an undersized power forward). He played 15 games his first year, he was just raw as hell. It's not a good comparison IMO.

i said what i said because he had said he wasnt even drafted. i dont care if you werent drafted if you can make plays and get an opportunity. however, i do agree with sabretooth that he is not a "sick" talent, and that i would rather have the other 3 in a dynasty league. but it isnt because he was not drafted. i do like him right now as boom pick that will cost you nothing in a redraft based on the news that he will take over the hernandez role and that gronks return is still uncertain.

 

[Gawain]

When someone says sick talent, I consider Paul Gaugiun, who was a great painter that died of syphilis. Or maybe Freddie Mercury, who sang for Queen and died of AIDS. Those people were sick talents.

When someone says Paul Gauguin, I think of this: http://apothegms.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/calvin-hobbes-gauguin.jpg

 

[TALL hobbit]

I have Kelce as the second best TE in this class by a pretty good margin.

Ahead of who? Sudfeld, Eifert and Ertz are pretty sick talents.

I have Eifert 1st. Kelce second, Ertz 3rd. Sudfeld is no a Sick Talent. He wasn't even drafted.

Not being drafted does not equal not having "sick" talent.

I would think that being drafted would be a better indicator than not being drafted.

He is also an injury-prone 24 year old, so that might have something to do with it. Da'Rick Rogers also wasn't drafted, are we to assume he is less talented than all the filler WRs that went in the later rounds?That said, I think Kelce is significantly more talented.

Maybe I'm the one missing the point, but it seems to me that when he says "I would think that being drafted would be a better indicator than not being drafted" he's saying that if you had to bet on talent you'd win a lot more if you bet on guys who were drafted than those who weren't. Bringing up Gates or Da'Rick Rodgers has nothing to do with what he was saying. He wasn't talking about exceptions, from what I read.

He was dismissing the possibility of Sudfeld as a sick talent - so of course they're going to counter with the exceptions. No ones arguing that undrafted TEs are better than drafted TEs - just that the patriots got lucky with this particular pick...

...until his arm shatters...or his back breaks...or he shoots someone.

 

[steveski]

Reggie Bush is going to be a monster in PPR.

Thompkins is worth drafting even in shallow leagues. Don't way too late. He is THE deep threat on the Pats.

Sudfeld with a catch across the middle and fumble.

 

[steveski]

Stafford overthrew Pettigrew in the endzone. Sounds a lot like 2012. Pettigrew with tons of endzone targets but can't convert.

Edit: Am I in the right thread? I searched on here but the search feature is basically worthless and this is all I can find. There's usually a thread that people are in watching the game real time.

 

[identikit]

Stafford overthrew Pettigrew in the endzone. Sounds a lot like 2012. Pettigrew with tons of endzone targets but can't convert.

Edit: Am I in the right thread? I searched on here but the search feature is basically worthless and this is all I can find. There's usually a thread that people are in watching the game real time.

This is the right thread.

 

[Ilov80s]

Reggie Bush is going to be a monster in PPR.

Thompkins is worth drafting even in shallow leagues. Don't way too late. He is THE deep threat on the Pats.

Sudfeld with a catch across the middle and fumble.

Not just PPR, Bush is $$$ in any format.

 

[steveski]

Stafford overthrew Pettigrew in the endzone. Sounds a lot like 2012. Pettigrew with tons of endzone targets but can't convert.

Edit: Am I in the right thread? I searched on here but the search feature is basically worthless and this is all I can find. There's usually a thread that people are in watching the game real time.

This is the right thread.

Thanks. Looks like it's just me and my beer watching this game right now. I'll provide updates for anyone interested.

Thompkins with another grab, probably 8 yards or so and then a drop (bad pass). He's being targeted a lot. Not sure if it will change when Gronk and Amendola are back but hes clearly the #1 on the team right now.

 

[Papa Georgio]

Can't believe ESPN is not playing the Patriots-Lions game. I'd much rather watch it.

 

[silentcoach]

Reggie Bush is going to be a monster in PPR.

Thompkins is worth drafting even in shallow leagues. Don't way too late. He is THE deep threat on the Pats.

Sudfeld with a catch across the middle and fumble.

Not just PPR, Bush is $$$ in any format.

he will have to get his receiving, which he will because the lions cannot run, at least they havnt so far.

 

[steveski]

Reggie Bush is going to be a monster in PPR.

Thompkins is worth drafting even in shallow leagues. Don't way too late. He is THE deep threat on the Pats.

Sudfeld with a catch across the middle and fumble.

Not just PPR, Bush is $$$ in any format.

I just hope they don't work him to death. He's already somewhat injury prone. Not sure if its the lack of Calvin, but he is the ENTIRE Lions team right now.

 

[Return of the Sheep]

How did the Sudfeld fumble look?

 

[The Kerminator]

How did the Sudfeld fumble look?

Ball came out of his hand and hit the ground.

 

[Raider Nation]

Akers should announce his retirement in the morning. It's over.

 

[HairySasquatch]

New England's expectations are coming back down to earth...rookies are looking like rookies.

 

[Shutout]

Reggie Bush is going to be a monster in PPR.

Thompkins is worth drafting even in shallow leagues. Don't way too late. He is THE deep threat on the Pats.

Sudfeld with a catch across the middle and fumble.

Not just PPR, Bush is $$$ in any format.

well kinda. basically if you used to have reggie bush as a rb, you now have reggie bush, the wr congrats on the position switch

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Defenses are going to have to pick their poison with Calvin and Reggie. If they had a third weapon at WR or TE that offense would be unstoppable.

 

[pantherclub]

Panther oline looking terrible early. Certainly a cause for concern.

 

[Ilov80s]

Reggie Bush is going to be a monster in PPR.

Thompkins is worth drafting even in shallow leagues. Don't way too late. He is THE deep threat on the Pats.

Sudfeld with a catch across the middle and fumble.

Not just PPR, Bush is $$$ in any format.

he will have to get his receiving, which he will because the lions cannot run, at least they havnt so far.

How does 4 catches for 89 yards in the first quarter sound?

 

[silentcoach]

New England's expectations are coming back down to earth...rookies are looking like rookies.

they need amendola if that offense is to be more explosive.

 

[Pumpnick]

Reggie Bush is going to be a monster in PPR.

Thompkins is worth drafting even in shallow leagues. Don't way too late. He is THE deep threat on the Pats.

Sudfeld with a catch across the middle and fumble.

Not just PPR, Bush is $$$ in any format.

I just hope they don't work him to death. He's already somewhat injury prone. Not sure if its the lack of Calvin, but he is the ENTIRE Lions team right now.

anything mentioned about why amendola is out?