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Proper Punishment Here? (1 Viewer)

BassNBrew said:
10 hours a week cleaning the school pooper. 7% of his pay to Uncle Sam, 25% to the teacher, and 25% to the local head start program. Screw up and you go to the slammer
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Pending an evaluation of this kid to confirm he IS genuinely remorseful and is deserving of diversion... The above could work as long as he's actively working and not in glorified study hall. This needs to be VERY painful... and the repercussions for slipping do need to be extreme (prison). 

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Please set up a fund for all the people this dude victimizes while not in prison and I'll set up your fund. 
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Sure thing when you set up a fund for the victims of the harden criminals you create. I'm going to rehabilitate enough to be plus ev 

 
[icon] said:
Pending an evaluation of this kid to confirm he IS genuinely remorseful and is deserving of diversion... The above could work as long as he's actively working and not in glorified study hall. This needs to be VERY painful... and the repercussions for slipping do need to be extreme (prison). 
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Works for me

 
BassNBrew said:
Works for me
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No doubt that the rehabilitation has to be work.  It has to cost money but other countries have shown it does work and it is cheaper than just putting them in the system.  He goes to prison, he has no chance and is burden for the next 60 years to society.  

The problem with the US is that we underfund everything but the military and the prisons.

 
Limp Ditka said:
Why ask the question if you're just going to be a ##### about every reply you don't agree with?
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I have mainly rebuffed one poster and his insane "stick him in the same class" response. I have no reason to debate that, it's utterly idiotic. I can debate and see the argument from icon below - while I think it is letting the kid off easy, it can at least be debated. 

Is this acceptable for you, or do I need to elaborate further?

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Pending an evaluation of this kid to confirm he IS genuinely remorseful and is deserving of diversion... The above could work as long as he's actively working and not in glorified study hall. This needs to be VERY painful... and the repercussions for slipping do need to be extreme (prison). 
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BassNBrew said:
Maybe a transfer to a different school. Without school you just doomed the kid to being a permanent public responsibiliyresponsibility
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He needs to be in a juvenile detention facility where he can be counseled and get an education at the same time.  There is no way he should be in a public school for at least one year.

 
Disqualify him as a qualifying entity for receipt of government benefits for 10 years with all but the first three months of disqualification suspended upon no further violations and maintaining a B average and graduating on time.  Deferred judgment and deferred sentence on a plea to a felony assault.  Upon no further violations and graduating on time with a B average case dismissed and record sealed, otherwise off to jail for a time.  Also restitution to the teacher for medical bills and an apology in front of the class and the school, assembled.

All of the above only if the victim is in agreement so the kid has to understand the victim is in a position of power and any leniency comes not just from the system but from the  victim.

 
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fantasycurse42 said:
I have mainly rebuffed one poster and his insane "stick him in the same class" response. I have no reason to debate that, it's utterly idiotic. I can debate and see the argument from icon below - while I think it is letting the kid off easy, it can at least be debated. 

Is this acceptable for you, or do I need to elaborate further?
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To be fair again, it's healthy for the kid to have an opportunity to make reprimands to the teacher, if the teacher is ok with it.

You are taking things way out of context suggesting that I said he should be just stuck back in the same class to sit there.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Disqualify him as a qualifying entity for receipt of government benefits for 10 years with all but the first three months of disqualification suspended upon no further violations and maintaining a B average and graduating on time.  Deferred judgment and deferred sentence on a plea to a felony assault.  Upon no further violations and graduating on time with a B average case dismissed and record sealed, otherwise off to jail for a time.  Also restitution to the teacher for medical bills and an apology in front of the class and the school, assembled.

All of the above only if the victim is I agreement so the kid has to understand the victim is in a position of power and any leniency comes not just from the system but from the  victim.
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Solid post right here.  I think the restitution with the teacher is a big thing in this as well.  If the teacher is ok with it.

i would also add that i would like to see a psychologist assigned to him and he has to meet with them regularly.  

 
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killface said:
To be fair again, it's healthy for the kid to have an opportunity to make reprimands to the teacher, if the teacher is ok with it.

You are taking things way out of context suggesting that I said he should be just stuck back in the same class to sit there.
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killface said:
I'm ok with putting him back in the same classroom and having him work his guilt off.
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To confirm, this is what you said, correct? A simple yes/no will suffice. 

 
killface said:
Yes it is what i said and you will notice the 'and work off his guilt' and you will also notice i did edit to add 'if the teacher is ok with it'
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A simple yes or no would've been just fine - I pasted the entirety of your post and I am capable of reading. 

Beating the daylights out of your teacher isn't an expellable offense from your standpoint, yet alone a major criminal violation. As I said, we have no reason to interact here, we're too far apart. 

 
fantasycurse42 said:
A simple yes or no would've been just fine - I pasted the entirety of your post and I am capable of reading. 

Beating the daylights out of your teacher isn't an expellable offense from your standpoint, yet alone a major criminal violation. As I said, we have no reason to interact here, we're too far apart. 
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It would have been only fine because it would have allowed you to continue taking it out of context.

I'm supportive of the strong majority of opinion in here that he should not see prison.  That, as a society, there should be a path forward for him without prison but still paying off his crime.  THere are lots of good suggestions in here so far.  

 
Wow, some of these responses are depressing; giving up on a 16yr old kid.  Yes, what this kid did is completely disgusting and should be punished severely, but to just give up on his entire life because you think he's a lost cause is pretty sad.  I know most won't want to put themselves in these shoes, but what if this was your kid?  

Those suggesting he go away for 3-5 years - When he's released, what are you expecting out of the 19-21yr old once he's free?

 
sbonomo said:
Ya, at a minimum he needs to be expelled, possibly permanently, from the school and tried as an adult within the legal system.  5-years seems pretty severe for a fight but that should depend on his prior record.  
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That wasn't a "fight"

 
Hov34 said:
That wasn't a "fight"
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Fight - "take part in a violent struggle involving the exchange of physical blows or the use of weapons" - Seems to fit the definition to me.  Now, it was one sided but there was definitely a violent struggle and exchange of physical blows.   :rolleyes:

 
chet said:
Someone needs to report the backstory. 
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http://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/milwaukee-teen-arrested-for-punching-teacher

One week into the school year, a student has been arrested for attacking a teacher in the middle of class.
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IDK, :shrug:

Also from the article (obviously only one student's opinion)

A student from South Divison says the man is well known among kids.

"He is kind of like helper," said Gustavo Miramontes, 17. "He mostly just like if a kid has a question he will help them out if they are struggling or something."
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chet said:
I'm of the opinion that this kid's life shouldn't be ruined because of this assault.  I guess I could be convinced that he should be tried as an adult if this were his most recent transgression in a series of serious crimes but we don't know that.
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what if the teacher suffered irreversible brain or physical damage b/c of this? When he fell back after being punched, what if his head caught the end of desk or the concrete floor. 

Who's life being "ruined" is worth less?

 

 
glvsav37 said:
what if the teacher suffered irreversible brain or physical damage b/c of this? When he fell back after being punched, what if his head caught the end of desk or the concrete floor. 

Who's life being "ruined" is worth less?

 
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Since we're playing what ifs,

What if the teacher called the student the n word and threatened his life?

 
sbonomo said:
Fight - "take part in a violent struggle involving the exchange of physical blows or the use of weapons" - Seems to fit the definition to me.  Now, it was one sided but there was definitely a violent struggle and exchange of physical blows.   :rolleyes:
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I think it order for it to be a "fight" both sides need to be aware that they are about to engage in it. 

In this situation, a teacher should never look to physically engage a student. So while the teacher was most likely looking to end the situation w/o touching the student, the student clearly had other ideas. 

Thats not a fight, it was a sucker punch and a follow up beating. 

 
chet said:
Since we're playing what ifs,

What if the teacher called the student the n word and threatened his life?
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agreed...we can play 'what if's' all day. 

until there is clear recording of the incident, no one will lever be sure. But I think to just  let this kid skate past any meaningful punishment out of fear of having his "life ruined" is being a little rough on the guy who just got is ### kicked. 

Hell, I hope that after he was done throwing punches, the teacher popped up, wiped the blood off his mouth and said "thats all you got #####?" 

 
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I would like to know if the person who took the video was in on the beating; meaning, did the videographer KNOW the beating was coming because it was planned.

 
Spike said:
I would like to know if the person who took the video was in on the beating; meaning, did the videographer KNOW the beating was coming because it was planned.
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Doubt it.  I am sure there was escalation and once the student got up, people started recording.

 
By  reading some of these suggestions, its clear some of the posters here are of the ridiculous "timeout in the corner" method of punishment for brat, disrespectful kids.

 
Watched the video again, yea, I'm good with jail time for this. Examples need to be made, this kid is the example. 

He is clenching his fists in a threatening manor the whole time, then pushes the teacher, then swings at the teacher, then gets on top of the teacher and continues swinging while he is down. 

Teacher does not appear to do any threatening this entire time. #### this kid, lock him up. 

 
glvsav37 said:
what if the teacher suffered irreversible brain or physical damage b/c of this? When he fell back after being punched, what if his head caught the end of desk or the concrete floor. 

Who's life being "ruined" is worth less?

 
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What if he died, then we would have a murder or at least man slaughter on our hands right?  So theoretically he could be looking at life in prison or a death sentence.  Fortunately the teacher did not sustain brain damage or die so we are talking about what a suitable punishment is for the altercation that did occur. 

 
irish eyes said:
By  reading some of these suggestions, its clear some of the posters here are of the ridiculous "timeout in the corner" method of punishment for brat, disrespectful kids.
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By reading some of these suggestions, it's clear some of the posters here sided with Adrian Peterson's methods of punishment.  

 
Ned said:
By reading some of these suggestions, it's clear some of the posters here sided with Adrian Peterson's methods of punishment.  
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By that school of thought, I guess you could also say some posters don't think beating the living daylights out of your teacher is that bad.

 
sbonomo said:
What if he died, then we would have a murder or at least man slaughter on our hands right?  So theoretically he could be looking at life in prison or a death sentence.  Fortunately the teacher did not sustain brain damage or die so we are talking about what a suitable punishment is for the altercation that did occur. 
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Just for semantics  :P

I don't think a minor can be sentenced to death under any circumstance. Also, I don't think manslaughter carries a life in prison with no possibility of parole sentence. 

 
Ned said:
By reading some of these suggestions, it's clear some of the posters here sided with Adrian Peterson's methods of punishment.  
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So sending a 16 year old to jail for a violent assault (that started with a sucker punch in someone who can't hit him back) caught on video is the same as physically beating an innocent little boy with a stick?

Seems about right....

 
TLEF316 said:
So sending a 16 year old to jail for a violent assault (that started with a sucker punch in someone who can't hit him back) caught on video is the same as physically beating an innocent little boy with a stick?

Seems about right....
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So suggesting a 16 yr old kid should be punished, but also given a real chance for recuperation is the same as putting a brat in the corner?

Seems about right...

 
Ned said:
So suggesting a 16 yr old kid should be punished, but also given a real chance for recuperation
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This is on him.

He goes to jail, gets his GED, maybe even an AA or Bachelor's Degree while incarcerated. Gets out, gets a ####ty job, works his way up the ladder, and in 10-15 years he is doing just fine. 

Your actions have consequences, period!

Why is that so impossible?

 
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killface said:
It would have been only fine because it would have allowed you to continue taking it out of context.

I'm supportive of the strong majority of opinion in here that he should not see prison.  That, as a society, there should be a path forward for him without prison but still paying off his crime.  THere are lots of good suggestions in here so far.  
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Problem with my suggestion is it would take the District Attorney or City Attorney, and the Courts having approval and cooperation of State and
Federal Agencies.

 
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