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QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (2 Viewers)

IHEARTFF said:
Discussion of a guy’s character and decision making as a leader are not politics. Hope that helps. 
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But you did talk about politics in the Breitbart thread with the poll options and the text in the OP.   Now correctly that thread doesn't exist any longer.

 
bmsarvis said:
It’s pretty obvious to me Rodgers is gone. His relationship with Green Bay organization, his contract etc…. It would be epic if the saints got him and adams to somehow sign there. 
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schef said yesterday the saints are the ONLY team in worse financial position than GB next szn w the cap.

 
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Capella said:
Is Rodgers a free agent? Or would a trade have to be arranged?
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Part of the rumored agreement that brought him back to camp this year was that they agreed to let him choose his trade destination if he still wanted to be traded.  He's said clearly he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild but seemed to have softened on wanting to be traded.  

If he could pick a destination, Denver seems like the obvious choice because they've got the talent on offense everywhere but quarterback, and he'd be out of the nfc which might be attractive to him, but he might not want that cold weather anymore especially after struggling once again in January last night.  Other interesting spots would be Miami (they supposedly want to build around tua, but come on), new Orleans (Kamara and Michael Thomas would suddenly look amazing), Washington (Terry and some nice young wide outs plus a respected head coach), Seattle if they move on from Russ, and Tampa if Brady retires.  But honestly i think if Tampa were considering that, Brady might just decide not to retire.  

 
You really think he would choose Denver and have to deal with Mahomes and Herbert 4x a year? Maybe so since I agree Denver has an attractive roster all around but no longer have Von Miller. 

 
I would love him in Indy.  Another small market and weather isn't a factor.  Albeit that he is a good bad weather QB for the most part.

 
Pip's Invitation said:
It seemed like he was forcing everything to Adams. I don’t know if that’s on him or Lafleur, but the offense showed zero creativity after the first drive. I get that the SF D forced him into some throws he didn’t want to make, but there was little sign of adjustment.
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Worse than that.  It seemed like he locked into a receiver pre-snap on way too many plays.  It was noticeable in the stands.  He also wasn’t seeing the blitz — a guy I sit near was calling out blitzes the entire 2nd half, with about an 80% hit rate.  He explained what the Niners were doing on every blitz.  I asked him “if you see this, why don’t the coaches?”  (Note:  this guy played LB for a good D1 school). His reply:  “no idea.  This is pretty easy to spot.”

 
IHEARTFF said:
You really think he would choose Denver and have to deal with Mahomes and Herbert 4x a year? Maybe so since I agree Denver has an attractive roster all around but no longer have Von Miller. 
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Not trying to be sarcastic, but are you suggesting Rodgers would be intimidated by that?

 
IHEARTFF said:
Discussion of a guy’s character and decision making as a leader are not politics. Hope that helps. 
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https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/803031-aaron-rodgers-jokes/

The Aaron Rodgers nicknames jokes got deleted from the shark pool because the mods felt it belonged in the politics forum, so i created a thread in case anyone feels the need to share. Let's keep it out of the shark pool and out of this thread.  

 
menobrown said:
Just imagine who easy it would be for him to make SB's if he could land on an NFC team in a bad conference that could provide an easier schedule so that he'd only need to win two home games to make it. That would be something.
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I see what you did there.

I'm just saying it's easier. If he doesn't want to stay in GB but doesn't want to retire, but doesn't want to play for a rebuild - There really aren't a ton of options.

Open it to both conferences and Pittsburgh is in play.

The Dude said:
Carolina is a great location for him as well - maybe the best over the next 3-4 years 
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Looks more like a rebuild to me, especially considering the smoke around the HC.

 
It's easy to bag on Rodgers right now and maybe he deserves it but I'd personally like to see more analysis to what SF did scheme wise the last two weeks. As in how did such a porous secondary suddenly shut down two prolific passing attacks?

I also wonder with Rodgers if the seemingly lack of in-game adjustments are related to coaching or Rodgers being hard headed?

 
Pittsburgh is one I'm surprised I haven't seen more of (Andy just beat me to it).  I guess maybe it's rebuild time for them but they don't really seem to go into rebuild mode often.  They traded their first away for Fitzpatrick a few years ago to try and compete when they looked like they were in much worse shape than they are now.  They are definitely a good QB away from being a strong contender still.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I see what you did there.

I'm just saying it's easier. If he doesn't want to stay in GB but doesn't want to retire, but doesn't want to play for a rebuild - There really aren't a ton of options.
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Yea I was just being sarcastic but also some truth in what I was trying to say which is he's been playing in a division so bad the only returning coach among his division opponents is the Lions, so just pointing out he's been in arguably the easiest place possible to make the SB.

If he wants out of GB I 'd list Denver as heavy favorite followed by the Raiders and I'd take them over the entire field. PHI or WFT make a lot of football sense but I don't think GB would ever deal him in conference.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Pittsburgh is one I'm surprised I haven't seen more of (Andy just beat me to it).  I guess maybe it's rebuild time for them but they don't really seem to go into rebuild mode often.  They traded their first away for Fitzpatrick a few years ago to try and compete when they looked like they were in much worse shape than they are now.  They are definitely a good QB away from being a strong contender still.
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That would be one way to pump back up the Claypool hype.

 
menobrown said:
It's easy to bag on Rodgers right now and maybe he deserves it but I'd personally like to see more analysis to what SF did scheme wise the last two weeks. As in how did such a porous secondary suddenly shut down two prolific passing attacks?

I also wonder with Rodgers if the seemingly lack of in-game adjustments are related to coaching or Rodgers being hard headed?
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It would seem to me the scheme was simple if you have a good pass rush and SF proved that last night.  Just double their two best receivers as best as you can.  Aaron Jones got his, but they didn't have a viable TE.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Pittsburgh is one I'm surprised I haven't seen more of (Andy just beat me to it).  I guess maybe it's rebuild time for them but they don't really seem to go into rebuild mode often.  They traded their first away for Fitzpatrick a few years ago to try and compete when they looked like they were in much worse shape than they are now.  They are definitely a good QB away from being a strong contender still.
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I almost mentioned them but I don't think they're serious contenders for a SB even with Rodgers. They had a -55 point differential this year and have a terrible O-line. Guess it depends on if he wants to win a SB or is content with just making the playoffs.

 
DropKick said:
Not trying to be sarcastic, but are you suggesting Rodgers would be intimidated by that?
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Intimidated, no. But why would you choose to be in a division you aren’t a pretty clear favorite to win?

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Tannehill seems pretty locked up there unless they can get the Rams' GM to consult them on some creative accounting.  $38m dead cap hit this year I believe.
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NutterButter said:
I don't think they're eating Tanne's 57M dead money just to get Rodgers
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According to Spotrac they can save $10.2 mil with a pre 6/1 trade and $29 mil (pushing $18.8 mil to 2023) with a post 6/1 trade, and they would definitely have a trade market for him. Think it's certainly doable.

 
IHEARTFF said:
Intimidated, no. But why would you choose to be in a division you aren’t a pretty clear favorite to win?
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Not sure a player of his caliber thinks (or should think) that way.   I would think Rodgers was more concerned with the culture of an organization, its coaching staff and supporting cast. 

One way or another, I'm sure he see's it differently than we think he does.

 
DropKick said:
Not sure a player of his caliber thinks (or should think) that way.   I would think Rodgers was more concerned with the culture of an organization, its coaching staff and supporting cast. 

One way or another, I'm sure he see's it differently than we think he does.
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Maybe not but I wouldn’t move to either West division if I was him, especially when he’s used to beating up on Det, Min, Chi every year. 

 
Carolina's been one of the worst teams in the league for 3 straight years and has coaching questions. He may go there but they aren't contenders with him IMO.

 
I don't know why but I thought he was a FA.

Is it possible to trade him with his contract? Isn't it more likely he's cut (looks like $7.6 m dead cap hit)?

 
IHEARTFF said:
Maybe not but I wouldn’t move to either West division if I was him, especially when he’s used to beating up on Det, Min, Chi every year. 
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I don't want to hijack the thread but that is close to my feeling on him being an MVP favorite.  I don't see all the Packer's game but I don't recall him carrying them on his back this year.   TDs and yardage totals were OK.  And, of course, he always throws very few interceptions. 

Almost half (18 of 37) of his TDs came in those 6 divisional games.  An interesting split would be QB rating inside/outside of division. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I don't know why but I thought he was a FA.

Is it possible to trade him with his contract? Isn't it more likely he's cut (looks like $7.6 m dead cap hit)?
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Probably because of the last minute negotiations just before the season.  It seemed like he was giving them one more year.

 
menobrown said:
It's easy to bag on Rodgers right now and maybe he deserves it but I'd personally like to see more analysis to what SF did scheme wise the last two weeks. As in how did such a porous secondary suddenly shut down two prolific passing attacks?

I also wonder with Rodgers if the seemingly lack of in-game adjustments are related to coaching or Rodgers being hard headed?
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He had guys open. The pressure from the DL was constant but the pressure of having to win is what got to him in my opinion. 

That 3rd and 11 was huge and he had so many guys open.

 
humpback said:
Carolina's been one of the worst teams in the league for 3 straight years and has coaching questions. He may go there but they aren't contenders with him IMO.
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QB play is a huge variable.   Decent defense and very good skill position guys on offense.  CMC stayed healthy?  They could easily contend.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I don't know why but I thought he was a FA.

Is it possible to trade him with his contract? Isn't it more likely he's cut (looks like $7.6 m dead cap hit)?
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Part of the deal to get him back into camp was that they supposedly agreed to let him choose his trade destination if he still wanted out in 22

 
DropKick said:
QB play is a huge variable.   Decent defense and very good skill position guys on offense.  CMC stayed healthy?  They could easily contend.
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They basically only have CMC (huge question mark with health) and DJ Moore on offense, I wouldn't call that "very good" overall, and they've gone 15-34 in the last 3 years with them.

Yes, QB play is huge, but they need much more than Rodgers to be legit contenders IMO.

 
humpback said:
According to Spotrac they can save $10.2 mil with a pre 6/1 trade and $29 mil (pushing $18.8 mil to 2023) with a post 6/1 trade, and they would definitely have a trade market for him. Think it's certainly doable.
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Well if you're talking trade, who's trading for Tanne and his 29M contract next year especially after that showing yesterday?  It sure as hell ain't GB.  Part of the reason to trade Rodgers is to get themselves out of their cap situation.   

 
IHEARTFF said:
You really think he would choose Denver and have to deal with Mahomes and Herbert 4x a year? Maybe so since I agree Denver has an attractive roster all around but no longer have Von Miller. 
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If he's smart he'll come to the worst division in football, the NFC East and play for Washington. He'd be endeared as much as Joe Gibbs to that city, and they might built a new monument for him. :)  

 
Denver makes way too much sense not to happen and would be immediate super bowl contenders. Can’t overstate how bad their qb situation was.

Rodgers going to a team with a receiving group like the Broncos - can’t even imagine. Jeudy and Patrick with two excellent receiving tight ends in Fant and Albert O. I wonder though if he wants adams to go to whatever team he goes too.

 
Balco said:
Denver makes way too much sense not to happen and would be immediate super bowl contenders. Can’t overstate how bad their qb situation was.

Rodgers going to a team with a receiving group like the Broncos - can’t even imagine. Jeudy and Patrick with two excellent receiving tight ends in Fant and Albert O. I wonder though if he wants adams to go to whatever team he goes too.
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They would be immediate #1 seed contenders.  And would then lose in the divisional round at home each year.

 
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