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QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (2 Viewers)

bostonfred said:
Andy Dufresne said:
I don't know why but I thought he was a FA.

Is it possible to trade him with his contract? Isn't it more likely he's cut (looks like $7.6 m dead cap hit)?
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Part of the deal to get him back into camp was that they supposedly agreed to let him choose his trade destination if he still wanted out in 22
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That may have been reported by some  - that he can “pick his destination” - but it should be obvious the destination team has to pay fair value. That’s the whole reason they have one more contract year plus a void year. The agreement they made last spring set him up for a final season in Green Bay followed by a trade or retirement. He can’t play in Green Bay without negotiating a longer deal as his current contract would be cap prohibitive next season. But the team won’t just let him go for nothing if there’s a market for him. It’s going to take three to tango - the packers, the player and the destination club. 

 
Arguably the smartest, most calculated, textbook QB to ever play and will always be one of the GOAT regular season QBs.  But not an "it" factor, "will your TEAM to victory", true champion QB.  Rodgers had it in 2010, but can't say I've seen it since.  

 
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I would say “no way in hell the Eagles trade for him”, but Howie Roseman has pulled off some wild trades that the fan base never thought possible.

AFC is much more likely, though. 

 
If the Packers think they are going into rebuild mode, then their only consideration is likely to be how big of a haul they get, not which conference Rodgers plays in.  If they lose both Rodgers and Adams, they aren't making the playoffs in 2022 no matter what.  And Rodgers won't play for 10 more years, so by the time the Packers are contenders again they probably won't need to worry about Rodgers any more.

If the Vikings, Bears or Lions made an offer similar to what Minnesota gave up for Herschel Walker, or SF gave up for Trey Lance, the Packers would probably even trade him in the division.

 
NutterButter said:
Well if you're talking trade, who's trading for Tanne and his 29M contract next year especially after that showing yesterday?  It sure as hell ain't GB.  Part of the reason to trade Rodgers is to get themselves out of their cap situation.   
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I have no doubt that several teams would be interested in him if he became available.

 
humpback said:
They basically only have CMC (huge question mark with health) and DJ Moore on offense, I wouldn't call that "very good" overall, and they've gone 15-34 in the last 3 years with them.

Yes, QB play is huge, but they need much more than Rodgers to be legit contenders IMO.
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CMC is the top back in the league.  I did say "if" he stays healthy.  DJ Moore has been borderline elite with a carousel of mediocre QBs.  Robby Anderson has shown he can make plays.  Terrace Marshall is a promising rookie. 

We can debate the semantics of good vs. very good but I see it as fluid, with a quality QB raising the value of those around him.

 
themeistersinger said:
"Garoppolo, wearing the uniform Rodgers once dreamed of wearing, has gone a combined 17-for-27 for 208 yards and no touchdown passes in his past two playoff games against Rodgers and has won them both. Man, if that doesn't sting."

Hard to believe SF could win even one of those games against ANY team with those kind of QB stats.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33127534/is-way-ends-aaron-rodgers-why-ifs-beautiful-mystery-linger-green-bay-packers
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At least in the prior game SF's offense could actually score. Just gashed them with the running game.

 
Balco said:
Denver makes way too much sense not to happen and would be immediate super bowl contenders. Can’t overstate how bad their qb situation was.

Rodgers going to a team with a receiving group like the Broncos - can’t even imagine. Jeudy and Patrick with two excellent receiving tight ends in Fant and Albert O. I wonder though if he wants adams to go to whatever team he goes too.
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Wow, no mention of Sutton or Javonte.  There is a lot of talent there and I'd like to see it for the entertainment value.

 
Last few pages have plenty of team nominations that don't have a 1st round pick to trade, have team/QB cap issues, or are in a rebuild.  No minimal research required. C'mon peeps!

 
Pip's Invitation said:
It seemed like he was forcing everything to Adams. I don’t know if that’s on him or Lafleur, but the offense showed zero creativity after the first drive. I get that the SF D forced him into some throws he didn’t want to make, but there was little sign of adjustment.
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Seems like after the Lewis fumble and Deguara drop…it was Adams and Jones and nobody else.  

 
Pip's Invitation said:
Rodgers does seem to have very strong feelings about who he trusts and who he does not.
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Which made it puzzling that he only targeted Cobb once and similar with Lazard.

And Rodgers gets a lot of fault for that game.  Im putting most of it on LaFluer.  Offensive game plan plus failures all year on special teams falls directly on the head coach.

 
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DropKick said:
Wow, no mention of Sutton or Javonte.  There is a lot of talent there and I'd like to see it for the entertainment value.
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And don't forget the deep threat Hamler coming back next year. Denver is loaded with offensive weapons and the QB, (maybe some depth at OL) is the only thing holding that offense back. 

Riffraff said:
Last few pages have plenty of team nominations that don't have a 1st round pick to trade, have team/QB cap issues, or are in a rebuild.  No minimal research required. C'mon peeps!
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Denver has the number 10 pick--two 2nds, two 3rds and a ton of cap room. 

I would rather have Wilson though. .

 
DropKick said:
Wow, no mention of Sutton or Javonte.  There is a lot of talent there and I'd like to see it for the entertainment value.
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Isn’t Sutton a free agent? I was just talking receiving group - Javonte is explosive and I can’t imagine the numbers he would put up with a great qb taking defenses attention.

 
The Broncos makes a lot of sense, but with a coaching change in the works and whoever they hire possibly being an unknown as far as how good he is, Rodgers may not want to go that route.

Pittsburgh also makes sense, but given that all of their top WRs seem to have issues with drops, and Rodgers has trust issues with receivers who gets cases of the drops, he might be wishing he had gone somewhere else by October. 

 
Balco said:
Isn’t Sutton a free agent? I was just talking receiving group - Javonte is explosive and I can’t imagine the numbers he would put up with a great qb taking defenses attention.
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Sutton and Patrick both signed extensions during the season.

 
DropKick said:
CMC is the top back in the league.  I did say "if" he stays healthy.  DJ Moore has been borderline elite with a carousel of mediocre QBs.  Robby Anderson has shown he can make plays.  Terrace Marshall is a promising rookie. 

We can debate the semantics of good vs. very good but I see it as fluid, with a quality QB raising the value of those around him.
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I gave you CMC and Moore. CMC has played 10 out of their last 33 games and they're rumored to be accepting offers for him. Anderson is mediocre at best and Marshall did nothing this year. No production from TE, their O-line stinks and they have major question marks with their coaching staff.

IMO their offensive roster is clearly in the bottom half of the league and there are far better options if his goal is to win a championship. I'm fine agreeing to disagree though.

 
Ghost Rider said:
Pittsburgh also makes sense, but given that all of their top WRs seem to have issues with drops, and Rodgers has trust issues with receivers who gets cases of the drops, he might be wishing he had gone somewhere else by October. 
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Pittsburgh makes NO sense.   The offensive line is the worst in the NFL, the best WR has drop issues, the second best WR has trouble getting open and winning contested balls and the 3rd WR... wait they don't have anything beyond #1 and #2 WR at this point.

The Steelers have too many holes to fill to waste draft picks and cap dollars on a 38 year old quarterback.

 
beef said:
Arguably the smartest, most calculated, textbook QB to ever play and will always be one of the GOAT regular season QBs.  But not an "it" factor, "will your TEAM to victory", true champion QB.  Rodgers had it in 2010, but can't say I've seen it since.  
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I don’t know.  His insane throw to Jared Cook vs Dallas was an example of willing the team to win.   He’s probably underrated at this point.

 
Denver seems like the best fit on paper: top defense, stout running game, solid o’line, loaded at the skill positions, plenty of cap space and extra picks to pull off a trade. Weather is not really an issue even in January except in the rare case of a snowstorm blowing in from the mountains. Biggest issue is would he want to play in the same division as Mahomes?

Colts seem like a very nice fit too, great o’line and run game, solid defense, ok WR’s (when healthy), indoors, very weak division. Lots of cap space but lacking a 1st this year to work a trade. Wentz contract is problematic but not insurmountable, especially if they can trade him. They likely could work something to absorb Rodgers, trade Wentz, extend Nelson and maybe even sign Adams. That would be a serious contender.

I don’t see Pittsburgh, they need to rebuild and the o’line is one of the worst in the league.

If I was the Pack I wouldn’t care about getting him out of the NFC, he can’t have many more years that he is going to play and you’re rebuilding anyway.

 
Buckna said:
If I was the Pack I wouldn’t care about getting him out of the NFC, he can’t have many more years that he is going to play and you’re rebuilding anyway.
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If they play that card it's a Favre deja vu all over again

 
Godsbrother said:
Pittsburgh makes NO sense.   The offensive line is the worst in the NFL, the best WR has drop issues, the second best WR has trouble getting open and winning contested balls and the 3rd WR... wait they don't have anything beyond #1 and #2 WR at this point.

The Steelers have too many holes to fill to waste draft picks and cap dollars on a 38 year old quarterback.
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Pump the breaks there.   The dolphins have that honor and there's no way you're taking it away from us just so you can make a point.  

 
Buckna said:
Colts seem like a very nice fit too, great o’line and run game, solid defense, ok WR’s (when healthy), indoors, very weak division. Lots of cap space but lacking a 1st this year to work a trade. Wentz contract is problematic but not insurmountable, especially if they can trade him. They likely could work something to absorb Rodgers, trade Wentz, extend Nelson and maybe even sign Adams. That would be a serious contender.
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I don't think anyone is trading for Wentz.   Guy couldn't even beat the Jaqs with the playoffs on the line.   They could probably cut him and still sign Rodgers.   I don't think they have the picks to make that trade though.  They gave up their 1st to get Wentz.   

 
Washington has a very good offensive line. They have a lot of talent on defense. Bring in Adams with Rodgers and they are easily favorites in the NFC East, if not NFC conference if Brady retires. No, I'm not kidding. Terry McLaurin going up against #2 CBs and never double teamed...holy cow that would be unfair. 

 
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NutterButter said:
Pump the breaks there.   The dolphins have that honor and there's no way you're taking it away from us just so you can make a point.  
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Look I’m not going to get into an argument over the ugliest ugly girl at the party, can’t we agree that neither one is going to be asked to dance?

 
Packers head coach Matt LaFleur said there are "no plans for a rebuild" for the team in 2022. 

"You get this close, obviously win a lot of football games, and we know in order for there not to be that, he's gotta be a part of this thing," LaFleur said Monday, two days after the Packers were dispatched by the 49ers in the Divisional Round. "I don't think that's anybody's intention." LaFleur addressed the prospect of a franchise rebuild after Rodgers, 38, said he would not return to the team if it entered a rebuilding stage. The Packers, projected to be nearly $45 million over the salary cap, are going to have to get creative with the books if they're going to keep the core of their team: Rodgers and Davante Adams, an unrestricted free agent. The team's dire salary cap situation could prevent them from using the franchise tag to keep Adams around for one more season. It's hard to imagine Adams, 28, returning to a Rodgers-less Packers team. Without Rodgers and Adams, Green Bay would be forced into a rebuild, whether they want to or not. 

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Davante Adams

SOURCE: ESPN.com 

Jan 25, 2022, 9:27 AM ET
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Packers QB Aaron Rodgers said he expects to make a decision on his future "well before" free agency.

“To stretch it out past free agency would be disrespectful to the organization," Rodgers continued, "and that 100% will not happen.” He pointed to the organization's window for franchise-tagging Davante Adams in February as his own personal timeline. Although the soon-to-be back-to-back MVP had arguably mended fences with the team's front office last offseason, its payroll being -$38.4 million in the hole may force a change in direction. It's hard to imagine Adams, 28, returning to a Rodgers-less Packers team or vice versa.

SOURCE: Ryan Wood on Twitter

Jan 25, 2022, 3:17 PM ET
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According to NFL reporter Jordan Schultz, Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams would "love" to team up with the Broncos.

Another part of the machinations of this idea would be Packers OC Nathaniel Hackett, who is heavily in the mix for the Broncos head coaching job. We're not entirely sure we believe this whole scenario coming to fruition, but the Broncos do have $41 million in cap space, so it can't be entirely ruled out. Denver Post beat writer Ryan O'Halloran recently proposed a swap of Rodgers for Jerry Jeudy, Albert Okwuegbunam, 2022 first- and second-round picks, and a 2023 second-rounder that could become a first if the Broncos make the Super Bowl. The Broncos definitely seem invested in bringing in Rodgers. 

SOURCE: Jordan Schultz on Twitter

Jan 25, 2022, 8:45 PM ET
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It's "coming out" already because someone needs clicks and the easiest way to do that is add 2 + 2 and come up with 5.

I'm sure Rodgers and Adams would "love" to team up together on any team. Unless the Packers are in complete rebuild (and I don't believe they are) the most likely scenario is they will still be teamed up on the Packers.

 
No team has the money to pay both Rodgers and Adams premium contracts without dismantling the rest of their team.

 
I thought Alex Rodriguez owned the nickname ARod?  I would think Rodgers deserves a more original nickname.  Perhaps add a “g” to the end.

 
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I'm now at 95% that Rodgers will move to a different team this season, down from 99% I was at when he signed his contract last Spring. The actual destination is still up in the air though. I don't think the Packers will play hardball, but he will have to find a team willing to give up some decent compensation and I'm sure he'll need at least a 3 year deal. It should be an interesting thing to follow over the next couple months.

 
What do we know about the relationship between Rodgers and Hackett. If that relationship is strong, doesn't this seem like a mute point now? Rodgers will be in Denver. 

 
Payne said:
What do we know about the relationship between Rodgers and Hackett. If that relationship is strong, doesn't this seem like a mute point now? Rodgers will be in Denver. 
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Rodgers stated on the Pat McCafee podcast a couple of weeks ago that he was happy Hackett was getting an interview and that he loved working with him. 

But still, no idea what the Pack want in trade. So I wouldn't say it is a forgone conclusion. 

 
Payne said:
What do we know about the relationship between Rodgers and Hackett. If that relationship is strong, doesn't this seem like a mute point now? Rodgers will be in Denver. 
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They are reportedly very close and love working together, so it seems to make sense. That said, there's obviously some negotiating that has to happen.  I don't expect the Packers will play hardball on this, but they'll need to get something decent in return.  Also, I'd think Rodgers will want a solid 3 year deal at the top of the market.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
They are reportedly very close and love working together, so it seems to make sense. That said, there's obviously some negotiating that has to happen.  I don't expect the Packers will play hardball on this, but they'll need to get something decent in return.  Also, I'd think Rodgers will want a solid 3 year deal at the top of the market.
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Just to start the conversation, what would you say is "something decent in return?" From Denver, for example.

Seems like Packers are over a barrel here with the cap situation, and the market will be limited in terms of bidder due to a) Rodgers' preferred destinations and b) who has combo of cap space and draft capital.

IMO the haul Green Bay gets could be significantly lower than what we all think for an MVP.

 
Stoneworker said:
Just to start the conversation, what would you say is "something decent in return?" From Denver, for example.

Seems like Packers are over a barrel here with the cap situation, and the market will be limited in terms of bidder due to a) Rodgers' preferred destinations and b) who has combo of cap space and draft capital.

IMO the haul Green Bay gets could be significantly lower than what we all think for an MVP.
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Kind of like trading a good QB in a 1 QB fantasy league.....hahahhaa

 
Stoneworker said:
Just to start the conversation, what would you say is "something decent in return?" From Denver, for example.

Seems like Packers are over a barrel here with the cap situation, and the market will be limited in terms of bidder due to a) Rodgers' preferred destinations and b) who has combo of cap space and draft capital.

IMO the haul Green Bay gets could be significantly lower than what we all think for an MVP.
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I'd love to be able to answer but honestly have no idea what the market will be for this guy. But I don't think the Packers are without leverage in this.  Assuming Rodgers wants to go to the Broncos and the Broncos want him - who has the real leverage? New ownership group in Denver, 6 years with no playoffs, crappy QB situation, dumped Von Miller for draft picks, and they just hired a new head coach who by all appearances was picked primarily because they think he can deliver Rodgers to them. That's alot of pressure to close this deal. 

 
Pro Football Network's Tony Pauline reports Aaron Rodgers has “told people in confidence” he wants free agents Davante Adams and Marquez Valdes-Scantling wherever he plays next season.

The report comes after Rodgers said “everything’s on the table” when talking about his future on the Pat McAfee Show. Rodgers had the Packers void the final year of his contract (2023) as part of last season's holdout and there are rumors the Broncos hiring of Nathaniel Hackett as their head coach was made as a play to land the soon to be MVP. The Packers’ front office missteps —  from drafting Jordan Love to balking at Rodgers and Adams extensions — are the driving force behind Rodgers wanting out. An NFC Divisional run and second consecutive MVP increases his chances of staying, but with a negative cap situation and GM Brian Gutekunst returning, it shouldn’t surprise anyone if 2021 ends up as Rodgers’s last season in Green Bay.

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Davante Adams

, Marquez Valdes-Scantling

SOURCE: Pro Football Network

Jan 28, 2022, 6:55 PM ET
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CletiusMaximus said:
But I don't think the Packers are without leverage in this.
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How do they have leverage given their cap situation? They are more than $40M over the cap without signing any internal or external free agents, including Adams and 6 other WR/TE players who are UFAs. That is also without accounting for all of their draft picks, the 2022 practice squad, or reserving cap space for 2022 in season injury replacements.

That is with Rodgers counting $46M against the cap. If they kept him, they could obviously rework his deal, but I don't see how they can do that and bring back Adams and MVS and also take care of everything else.

 
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