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QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (2 Viewers)

Aaron Rodgers completed 28-of-45 attempts for 307 yards and two touchdowns in the Packers' Week 12 win against the Rams, adding two rushes for one yard and a touchdown. 

Rodgers mostly checked down and threw intermediate passes to Davante Adams, AJ Dillon, and Randall Cobb in his 45-attempt outing. The Rams' aggressive front four was only able to get to Rodgers once thanks to the quick passing attack. He hit Adams for a 43-yard completion in the first half on a play in which pre-snap motion got Jalen Ramsey to shift away from Adams. Rodgers also connected with longtime buddy Cobb for a 54-yard gain, later finding him for a short touchdown. It was a solid outing for an aged quarterback struggling with a toe injury he showed to the world this week during a press conference. Rodgers will remain a QB1 option when the Packers return from their Week 12 bye to play Chicago in Week 13. Rodgers ripped the Bears for 344 yards and two scores in Week 6. 

Nov 28, 2021, 8:54 PM ET
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JohnnyU said:
Do you think he will play for another team next year?  
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50/50.  Would have said worse chances going in to this year.  I think it almost seems to be trending for him to stay.  Just some of the stuff he has said about communication being better this year.  Them discussing things more with him.  Him seeing how well he works with Lafleur (who they should extend his contract immediately during this bye week IMO).  Seeing how he has the Oline and offense that fits him so well.  I think they make a great case for him to stay.  

That said...some of that may just be him talking to make nice during the year.   They may all be putting on a good front at the moment but once the season is over...they move him.  I think it would be an error to move him if there is any way to keep him.  Id rather be in the Steelers camp of waiting til he comes off the rails rather than watching him for 3+ years win somewhere else.

 
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sho nuff said:
50/50.  Would have said worse chances going in to this year.  I think it almost seems to be trending for him to stay.  Just some of the stuff he has said about communication being better this year.  Them discussing things more with him.  Him seeing how well he works with Lafleur (who they should extend his contract immediately during this bye week IMO).  Seeing how he has the Oline and offense that fits him so well.  I think they make a great case for him to stay.  
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I'm sure other Packers fans are behind that 100%.  I know Denver was a hot topic earlier and could become one again.  They have good weapons too.  Probably better than GB overall.

 
JohnnyU said:
I'm sure other Packers fans are behind that 100%.  I know Denver was a hot topic earlier and could become one again.  They have good weapons too.  Probably better than GB overall.
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But do they have the line...and a coach he would be able to really work with.  I think those are huge plusses in GB's favor.  (and any keeping Rodgers would be around redoing his contract and likely with some sort of wink wink...bringing back Davante as well).

Denver is definitely the worry...they seem to be cutting cap hits with some of their moves as well as gaining draft picks to be able to make a play for him.  Fits a bit into his hippy like lifestyle maybe too?

 
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Aaron Rodgers "does not plan to have surgery on his toe at this time."

Rapoport added, "at this time is key," and noted that the team hopes Rodgers' toe will heal while the team is on their Week 13 bye. Rodgers and the Packers are both likely pushing the surgery off until the offseason if possible. Green Bay is currently second in the NFC, behind only the Cardinals. With the surgery likely costing him a few weeks at the least, the surgery would almost certainly lock them out of a bye week to open the playoffs. Since popping up on the injury report with the issue, Rodgers is averaging 328 passing yards with six scores to just one interception. Unless it gets worse, the injury doesn't appear to affect his play. Rodgers will return as a QB1 versus the Bears in Week 14.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Nov 29, 2021, 2:15 PM ET
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JohnnyU said:
Do you think he will play for another team next year?  
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I do. I think he wants the Tom Brady Experience... the teams lining up to entice him... giving him GM rights (bringing D. Adams with him)... to be on TV all the time talking about being wanted for the first time... just him and his toe taking on the world. It's going to be magical.

 
Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap 

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To show how back loaded the Aaron Rodgers contract is for the Green Bay Packers:

He has only 1 more year remaining on deal (plus 1 more void/fake year) and is currently scheduled to earn $26.97M in cash.

His salary cap hits for these next two years is $53.82M - almost 2x cash.
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The dead cap years break down to about $46mil in 2022 and $7.6 mil in 2023 (which is just his prorated bonus.) If they cut/trade him next year after June 1, the cap savings for 2022 is his base salary - the $27m - and his dead cap number is about $19m. If they extend or restructure, his cap number next year is about $46mil - before adding any new bonus or salary for that year. The Packers' total adjusted salary cap this season is about $186mil.  https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/green-bay-packers/

Obviously the exact cap for next season isn't known, but if they keep Rodgers - even before adding any new bonus or additional salary - his cap number would likely be about 25% of the total team cap.  I'm not an expert on this stuff, but I think this means he's gone.  I'd love to be wrong.

 
JohnnyU said:
Like Andrew Luck, those two make Rodgers look good.  He should try and stand next to them whenever possible.
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You know what this means don't you?

Rodgers will be a Raider in 2022. (See: Mark Davis, the fanbase)

 
drummer said:
I think Shalene did a number on his head. He was better off with Munn.
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Interesting... blame "her" for this flat-Earth goof we all see. I think he's just an #######. Only judging from everything I see publicly from him though... I'm sure in private he's really cool with his friends and family.

 
Sabertooth said:
I think the Packers win it all this year.  And if I’m right, no way Rodgers walks.  
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Is their defense strong enough?  No TE or WR #2?  Perhaps Cobb, but didn't he get hurt?  Not sure you can count on MVS.

 
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Sabertooth said:
Mel isn’t 9-3 bud.  No idea what you mean.  
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Aaron Rodgers never had one an Oscar either. People can be a bit touched in the head and still do their jobs. Besides, wins are a team stat, not a quarterback stat. The rest of his team are 9-3 as well. There can be some crazies in there too.

 
Dizzy said:
Interesting... blame "her" for this flat-Earth goof we all see. I think he's just an #######. Only judging from everything I see publicly from him though... I'm sure in private he's really cool with his friends and family.
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Well she did tweet some weird stuff during all the vaccination drama about his "size".

I just find Munn hotter and maybe without all the crazy baggage. Even if Muss were a bit crazy, she's crazy hot. Shalene not so much.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
The dead cap years break down to about $46mil in 2022 and $7.6 mil in 2023 (which is just his prorated bonus.) If they cut/trade him next year after June 1, the cap savings for 2022 is his base salary - the $27m - and his dead cap number is about $19m. If they extend or restructure, his cap number next year is about $46mil - before adding any new bonus or salary for that year. The Packers' total adjusted salary cap this season is about $186mil.  https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/green-bay-packers/

Obviously the exact cap for next season isn't known, but if they keep Rodgers - even before adding any new bonus or additional salary - his cap number would likely be about 25% of the total team cap.  I'm not an expert on this stuff, but I think this means he's gone.  I'd love to be wrong.
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If he is back...that won't be the cap number.  They won't bring him back under the current contract.

 
JohnnyU said:
Is their defense strong enough?  No TE or WR #2?  Perhaps Cobb, but didn't he get hurt?  Not sure you can count on MVS.
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Yeah...especially if Jaire and Zadarius can come back the D is strong enough.  Special teams?  Yuck.

I mean...they are really good...but...can throw up a stinker like anyone.  But they have gone 4-0 vs the NFC West which everyone talked about how good it was.  Now...they are also at that tipping point of another injury or so and they are in trouble.

 
sho nuff said:
If he is back...that won't be the cap number.  They won't bring him back under the current contract.
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A new contract doesn't eliminate the cap hit from pro-rated bonus money already paid under his prior and existing deals. When you read about Rodgers "restructuring" his contract to help the Packers - which he did twice over the past 5-6 years - that just means they converted salary to bonus and paid him cash, giving the team some immediate cap room but pro-rating it out over the life of his contract. The only way to make it manageable is if Rodgers would take a pay cut (like Ben did) - meaning, he would accept less than his current contract pays him next year ($26.4mil).  Even if he'd do that, which seems highly unlikely, its still a huge number for the team to absorb next season.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
A new contract doesn't eliminate the cap hit from pro-rated bonus money already paid under his prior and existing deals. When you read about Rodgers "restructuring" his contract to help the Packers - which he did twice over the past 5-6 years - that just means they converted salary to bonus and paid him cash, giving the team some immediate cap room but pro-rating it out over the life of his contract. The only way to make it manageable is if Rodgers would take a pay cut (like Ben did) - meaning, he would accept less than his current contract pays him next year ($26.4mil).  Even if he'd do that, which seems highly unlikely, its still a huge number for the team to absorb next season.
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Right some of that will stay.  But his hit won’t be close to the 40 million that currently will hit under his current contract.    And yes i bet he would have less of a base salary next year if he stays.  They will push things out further when they figure the cap will go up.   

 
sho nuff said:
CletiusMaximus said:
A new contract doesn't eliminate the cap hit from pro-rated bonus money already paid under his prior and existing deals. When you read about Rodgers "restructuring" his contract to help the Packers - which he did twice over the past 5-6 years - that just means they converted salary to bonus and paid him cash, giving the team some immediate cap room but pro-rating it out over the life of his contract. The only way to make it manageable is if Rodgers would take a pay cut (like Ben did) - meaning, he would accept less than his current contract pays him next year ($26.4mil).  Even if he'd do that, which seems highly unlikely, its still a huge number for the team to absorb next season.
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Right some of that will stay.  But his hit won’t be close to the 40 million that currently will hit under his current contract.    And yes i bet he would have less of a base salary next year if he stays.  They will push things out further when they figure the cap will go up.   
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It might be manageable, but I don't think he's going to accept a big pay cut if he's won a superbowl and finished the season as an MVP candidate - why would he?  His dead cap is $19m next year.  Even if he accepts a very team friendly deal with a low salary and a bonus spread out over 4-5 years, its a big number.  And if that happens, the team would almost certainly have to give up on the Love plan, which I think is difficult.

 
The Packers need to give Rodgers final say in coaching decisions, GM decisions, an ownership stake (joking, I know that can't happen), whatever it takes to get him to stay! 

However, I expect him to be a Bronco next year and I'm not sure when the Packers will sniff NFL relevancy again assuming that happens.  Letting an MVP caliber QB leave when he has potentially 5+ good years left in him (or more if he ages like Brady) would be an absolute disaster.

 
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JohnnyU said:
Is their defense strong enough?  No TE or WR #2?  Perhaps Cobb, but didn't he get hurt?  Not sure you can count on MVS.
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Their defense is really good.  They just are.  They have come up big when it mattered.  They may yet get two All Pros back.  
 

No Te? I think Deguaro is ready to excel.  Cobb hurt his groin scoring yet another touchdown.  MVS is still an unknown.  
 

this is not from a fantasy perspective, I haven’t played FF in five years.  This is just a winning team.  
 

the just rolled right over the big bad NFC west I heard so much about.  They lost a close one to KC with a backup QB.  
 

thw biggest question mark is special teams.  Too many sloppy plays.  And Crosby is so hit or miss nowadays, missed another one last week.  
 

 
drummer said:
Aaron Rodgers never had one an Oscar either. People can be a bit touched in the head and still do their jobs. Besides, wins are a team stat, not a quarterback stat. The rest of his team are 9-3 as well. There can be some crazies in there too.
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Absolutely.  But to act like he’s washed up and making straight to streaming plays is just not true.  Maybe Daniel Day Lewis.  He’s won some awards too.    

 
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Sabertooth said:
Absolutely.  But to act like he’s washed up and making straight to streaming plays is just not true.  Maybe Daniel Day Lewis.  He’s won some awards too.    
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I wasn't alluding that Rodgers is "washed up". He's an elite QB, I have always said that. It's just publicly he has made a PR mess for himself and the franchise, those YouTube Bro-casts he goes on don't help. That and his fiancee tweeting weird stuff about them also. Brady has made some gaffes and questionable comments, but he at least as I can recall hasn't gone performative jerkiness like Rodgers had recently. Making claims that "the woke mob" is out to get him is just plain trying distraction over the whole vaccination issue, and if he chose to be a more public figure, this is what happens when you push whatever message you are pushing out there for others to comment or feed on. Hell when you have Terry Bradshaw dressing you down, maybe Rodgers needs to rethink a few things.

Although this week Bradshaw said he was a shoo in for MVP again lulz.

Rodgers is a Hall of Fame quarterback but in a ten cent head mode. He's smarter than this, maybe it's just a way to fight back, who knows, but it's not a good look for him or the franchise.

 
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drummer said:
I wasn't alluding that Rodgers is "washed up". He's an elite QB, I have always said that. It's just publicly he has made a PR mess for himself and the franchise, those YouTube Bro-casts he goes on don't help. That and his fiancee tweeting weird stuff about them also. Brady has made some gaffes and questionable comments, but he at least as I can recall hasn't gone performative jerkiness like Rodgers had recently. Making claims that "the woke mob" is out to get him is just plain trying distraction over the whole vaccination issue, and if he chose to be a more public figure, this is what happens when you push whatever message you are pushing out there for others to comment or feed on. Hell when you have Terry Bradshaw dressing you down, maybe Rodgers needs to rethink a few things.

Although this week Bradshaw said he was a shoo in for MVP again lulz.

Rodgers is a Hall of Fame quarterback but in a ten cent head mode. He's smarter than this, maybe it's just a way to fight back, who knows, but it's not a good look for him or the franchise.
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Ok gotcha.  I took it wrong.  I guess I don’t really get into the whole soap opera aspect of things anymore.  I don’t really watch the news.  I just watch the games.  I do know the media does always try to make trouble where there isn’t any for Rodgers.  The season LaFleur got there it was supposed to be this big deal with Rodgers. Nope they love each other.  

 
Sabertooth said:
Ok gotcha.  I took it wrong.  I guess I don’t really get into the whole soap opera aspect of things anymore.  I don’t really watch the news.  I just watch the games.  I do know the media does always try to make trouble where there isn’t any for Rodgers.  The season LaFleur got there it was supposed to be this big deal with Rodgers. Nope they love each other.  
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ESPN and PFT drive a ton of drama and special interest stories, hell Mike Florio made a career out his own "Drudge Report" with PFT. The most commented posts on PFT are still all about Rodgers, this coming off of Gruden, Snyder, and Goodell. Think about it, if Rodgers makes a segment on "Dateline: White House", it because Rodgers himself has driven the narrative. Rodgers has blown past the Matt McConaghey "Alright alright alright" long hair chill bro. He made himself the point man over the whole NFL COVID protocol that made that whole protocol look arbitrary.

Wherever one personally stands on vaccination is their own business, but I figure there are many Packers fans who have perished due to COVID, and for Rodgers to act so glib over his vaccination status - and come out and say he takes medical advice from a podcaster - diminishes the 750,000  + Americans who have perished. He is just not one to trust when it comes to one's own personal health. He should know this, so why would he make himself one who should be trusted due to he not being forthright in the first place, and now trying to save face?

He got more attention over COVID than Brett Favre's recent campaign over CTE.

I have watched Rodgers since his days at Cal where he held the ball next to the ear hole of his helmet. When he was just another Jeff Tedford quarterback. Hell I used to be a 49er fan, that's all that needs saying considering why they drafted Alex Smith over Rodgers (and to this day nobody in the organization will admit why, or who to blame, either Mike Nolan or Mike McCarthy), but the reason why he is so in the news today isn't because what he does season in and season out. Rodgers is playing at the level he always has. It's the rare season what he doesn't that would get even less print than the seasons he does. Next to Tom Brady, he is one of the greatest to ever play quarterback in the NFL.

I have lost two family members to COVID before there was a vaccine available, so I can not care less what Rodgers thinks about a vaccine. Why? Because he is not going to bring them back. But he does deserve all the derision towards him because due to what he has earned as a player in a multi billion dollar industry, with all the available health care he has access to, and with how many needles has been stuck in him just to do his job, he should had kept his mouth shut, because if his health is his business, then why play in the NFL? An NFL players health is business in the NFL. He's not in a hermetically sealed environment coding algorithms for NFT's or Crypto. He's a Jock. Who wears a jockstrap and a helmet to protect him while he is doing his job.

Edit: Hell have Rodgers refuse to wear a jockstrap or even a helmet due to "his body, his choice". His fiancee has protocols in place over nude scenes. For her own safety.

 
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In an appearance on the Pat McAfee Show, Aaron Rodgers (toe) said his injury "is not going to be a problem."

“Toe was definitely hurting after the game, but it is what it is," Rodgers continued. "It’s not going to be a problem I don’t think. It’s not going to stop me from playing. It’s just pain management but I’m going to keep playing and probably not practice a whole lot.” Rodgers has actually performed admirably through the injury, completing 69.5% of his passes for 344 yards and three touchdowns per game against the Vikings, Rams, and Bears in Green Bay's last three wins. He'll remain a high-end QB1 this Sunday against the Ravens, which have allowed a league-high number of completions 20-plus yards downfield.

SOURCE: Tom Silverstein on Twitter

Dec 14, 2021, 5:16 PM ET
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