QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (2 Viewers)

[5-ish Finkle]

My point was my perception was that his teammates loved him. I backed that up with facts that he was voted by his teammates as the Jets' most inspirational player for the 2023 season. Maybe the vote is done by "putting microphones in their faces and they are influenced to say the diplomatic thing". I'm not sure. You could well be right in what you're suggesting.

It seems a little odd considering he played what, 1 snap in 2023?

Perhaps he was inspirational on the sidelines?

Whether diplomatic or not I’m guessing no one was going to kick the man while he was down. I haven’t paid close attention to NYJ - did the Jets players also vote for him after the 2024 season?

Garrett Wilson sure didn't. Allegedly.

 

[efactor]

Has there ever been a more unlikeable jerk in the league. Please please go away captain narcissist.

Derek Carr?

 

[efactor]

My point was my perception was that his teammates loved him. I backed that up with facts that he was voted by his teammates as the Jets' most inspirational player for the 2023 season. Maybe the vote is done by "putting microphones in their faces and they are influenced to say the diplomatic thing". I'm not sure. You could well be right in what you're suggesting.

It seems a little odd considering he played what, 1 snap in 2023?

Perhaps he was inspirational on the sidelines?

Yeah, that’s what you call a “consolation” trophy

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My point was my perception was that his teammates loved him. I backed that up with facts that he was voted by his teammates as the Jets' most inspirational player for the 2023 season. Maybe the vote is done by "putting microphones in their faces and they are influenced to say the diplomatic thing". I'm not sure. You could well be right in what you're suggesting.

It seems a little odd considering he played what, 1 snap in 2023?

Perhaps he was inspirational on the sidelines?

Yeah, that’s what you call a “consolation” trophy

This.

 

[JohnnyU]

:sigh:

 

[osubuckeyeman]

I think he still wants to be a Viking, and he is waiting to see if that can materialize before deciding on where he wants to play.

 

[Tau837]

My point was my perception was that his teammates loved him. I backed that up with facts that he was voted by his teammates as the Jets' most inspirational player for the 2023 season. Maybe the vote is done by "putting microphones in their faces and they are influenced to say the diplomatic thing". I'm not sure. You could well be right in what you're suggesting.

It seems a little odd considering he played what, 1 snap in 2023?

Perhaps he was inspirational on the sidelines?

Whether diplomatic or not I’m guessing no one was going to kick the man while he was down. I haven’t paid close attention to NYJ - did the Jets players also vote for him after the 2024 season?

I have no meaningful opinion on Rodgers or on this situation, but I would point out that Rodgers was traded to the Jets in April and injured his Achilles in September. He was presumably engaged with his teammates throughout offeseason, training camp, preseasion before the injury. So your comment is probably minimizing the impact/influence he may have had prior to the injury, and then there is the possibility that he was supporting his teammates throughout the season as well.

 

[Joe Bryant]

My point was my perception was that his teammates loved him. I backed that up with facts that he was voted by his teammates as the Jets' most inspirational player for the 2023 season. Maybe the vote is done by "putting microphones in their faces and they are influenced to say the diplomatic thing". I'm not sure. You could well be right in what you're suggesting.

It seems a little odd considering he played what, 1 snap in 2023?

Perhaps he was inspirational on the sidelines?

Yeah, that’s what you call a “consolation” trophy

That's fascinating. I suppose calling it a "consolation trophy" is one way of seeing it.

Not sure. The fact he was voted most inspirational player and Saleh went on about how much the players loved him after missing the whole season seems remarkable.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think he still wants to be a Viking, and he is waiting to see if that can materialize before deciding on where he wants to play.

Agreed. Those weapons and that head coach are a dream scenario for a QB. Makes total sense it would be his first option. Whether it works for Minnesota is another question.

 

[menobrown]

I think the Vikings door is closed, he knows it, there is nothing about him that is waiting on the Vikings to come around.


He's either going to return as a Steeler or decide to walk away right now and see if an injury opens up a spot later, into the season later, that's more suited to his liking. Not to say in anyway the Steeler's are not, I have no idea and will only know for certain one he officially accepts or rejects them. But he did not spend all day with them, remain in constant contact with them and work out with Metcalf recently just for funsies.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think he still wants to be a Viking, and he is waiting to see if that can materialize before deciding on where he wants to play.

And I’d like to be the king of England. But they already have one. So it’s very similar to the Vikings situation.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think the Vikings door is closed, he knows it, there is nothing about him that is waiting on the Vikings to come around.


He's either going to return as a Steeler or decide to walk away right now and see if an injury opens up a spot later, into the season later, that's more suited to his liking. Not to say in anyway the Steeler's are not, I have no idea and will only know for certain one he officially accepts or rejects them. But he did not spend all day with them, remain in constant contact with them and work out with Metcalf recently just for funsies.

Agreed. This seems like the most accurate scenario. He’s either a stealer or he’s out. Unless something else materializes where a team with a realistic shot at the postseason loses their quarterback at some point.

 

[Tau837]

My point was my perception was that his teammates loved him. I backed that up with facts that he was voted by his teammates as the Jets' most inspirational player for the 2023 season. Maybe the vote is done by "putting microphones in their faces and they are influenced to say the diplomatic thing". I'm not sure. You could well be right in what you're suggesting.

It seems a little odd considering he played what, 1 snap in 2023?

Perhaps he was inspirational on the sidelines?

Whether diplomatic or not I’m guessing no one was going to kick the man while he was down. I haven’t paid close attention to NYJ - did the Jets players also vote for him after the 2024 season?

I have no meaningful opinion on Rodgers or on this situation, but I would point out that Rodgers was traded to the Jets in April and injured his Achilles in September. He was presumably engaged with his teammates throughout offeseason, training camp, preseasion before the injury. So your comment is probably minimizing the impact/influence he may have had prior to the injury, and then there is the possibility that he was supporting his teammates throughout the season as well.

I don’t see how that would bear any relevance

Again, I’ll simply ask was he voted that after the 2024 season? Seems like he had a whole lot more interaction that year. So… ?

You said he played 1 snap. I pointed out that he spent a lot of time with his teammates before that. You say not relevant. OK, carry on with your agenda.

 

[efactor]

My point was my perception was that his teammates loved him. I backed that up with facts that he was voted by his teammates as the Jets' most inspirational player for the 2023 season. Maybe the vote is done by "putting microphones in their faces and they are influenced to say the diplomatic thing". I'm not sure. You could well be right in what you're suggesting.

It seems a little odd considering he played what, 1 snap in 2023?

Perhaps he was inspirational on the sidelines?

Yeah, that’s what you call a “consolation” trophy

That's fascinating. I suppose calling it a "consolation trophy" is one way of seeing it.

Not sure. The fact he was voted most inspirational player and Saleh went on about how much the players loved him after missing the whole season seems remarkable.

What could Salah say other than that? He was stuck with him.

Always enjoyed watching Rodgers and nothing against him but hard to swallow he was truly an inspirational player while missing the whole season other than about 3 plays.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Or a packer

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Or a packer

Great point.

 

[Zeppelin]

My point was my perception was that his teammates loved him. I backed that up with facts that he was voted by his teammates as the Jets' most inspirational player for the 2023 season. Maybe the vote is done by "putting microphones in their faces and they are influenced to say the diplomatic thing". I'm not sure. You could well be right in what you're suggesting.

It seems a little odd considering he played what, 1 snap in 2023?

Perhaps he was inspirational on the sidelines?

Yeah, that’s what you call a “consolation” trophy

That's fascinating. I suppose calling it a "consolation trophy" is one way of seeing it.

Not sure. The fact he was voted most inspirational player and Saleh went on about how much the players loved him after missing the whole season seems remarkable.

What could Salah say other than that? He was stuck with him.

Always enjoyed watching Rodgers and nothing against him but hard to swallow he was truly an inspirational player while missing the whole season other than about 3 plays.

If players did consider him inspirational in 2023, that probably went away last year when Rodgers skipped mandatory minicamp to take a vacation. It would be hard to imagine players not being mad about that.

 

[Football Jones]

I'm really curious to see what Rent-Free does. Like everyone else, he'd like to go out with a strong season. The Vikings may have made up their mind for now, but A-Rod might as well play the waiting game at this point.

The right injury could open up a spot on a top team or maybe JJ sucks in preseason. Highly intelligent, Rodgers is going to play his cards well. The question is does the right opportunity open up this season. I could be wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me if he took a year off and came back next season if an ideal situation presents itself.

 

[fatness]

New Jets regime says nothing in response to Aaron Rodgers's recent grievances

Three days ago, former Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers unloaded regarding the team's decision to offload the future Hall of Famer.

www.nbcsports.com

Three days ago, former Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers unloaded regarding the team’s decision to offload the future Hall of Famer. Since then, the Jets haven’t uttered a peep. Not a word, directly or indirectly. On any of the various subjects Rodgers addressed or claims he made — including that the Jets have been a “debacle” and that new coach Aaron Glenn went “rogue” in abruptly telling Rodgers after he flew cross country “on my own dime” that he’d be getting no more dollars from the Jets.

Some would regard silence as confirmation of Rodgers’s claims. Judged against the standard established by past Jets regimes, that would likely be true. The best sign that the team is changing under Glenn and G.M. Darren Mougey is that they exercised restraint in the face of Rodgers’s grievances.

Nothing said in response to Rodgers will change a thing. It won’t help the team win games in 2025, or beyond. It would only invite more noise from Rodgers, who now has a clear interest in seeing the Jets do worse without him than last year’s 5-12 record with him. (Any former teammates who choose to keep in contact with Rodgers should keep that in mind when he criticizes Glenn or Mougey.) The Jets gain nothing from getting into a pissing contest with someone who always finds a way to paint himself as the victim. They gain everything by continuing to implement their plan to move on.

 

[Football Jones]

If I were the Jets, I wouldn't say a word, either. I'm sure Rodgers' account of the meeting is accurate, but it's not like the new regime owes him anything. They have much bigger worries than A-Rod. The Jets are at the bottom of the NFL hierarchy. Broadway Joe was a LONG time ago. Glenn and Mougey are off to an interesting start bringing Fields in, LOL. I'm not sure what they're trying to accomplish with that move.

Maybe they figure they can squeeze a WC birth out of Fields, but good luck with that. The Jets are going to be an interesting story this season. At first glance, Glenn seems to be in over his head, but maybe the draft will give a clearer picture of things to come.

 

[Joe Bryant]

What could Salah say other than that? He was stuck with him.

Always enjoyed watching Rodgers and nothing against him but hard to swallow he was truly an inspirational player while missing the whole season other than about 3 plays.

I'm with you in "What else could he say?" is always a question I ask.

In this case, Saleh could have said tons of things way less over the top and effusive than, "I've said it a million times: He loves his teammates, and his teammates love him," coach Robert Saleh said.

And the fact he was voted Most Inspirational Player for the Dennis Byrd Award, something I'm assuming players take seriously, after just being on the field for 3 plays says even more.

Bigger picture, my guess is he'll probably retire. His legacy as a first ballot Hall of Famer is secure and I'd assume he doesn't need the money. He clearly isn't overly concerned what people think.

I just find the prevailing narrative about how he was so overwhelmingly disliked by his teammates and the dismissing of facts fascinating. But that's not important to the Football angle here.

 

[pinkstapler]

What could Salah say other than that? He was stuck with him.

Always enjoyed watching Rodgers and nothing against him but hard to swallow he was truly an inspirational player while missing the whole season other than about 3 plays.

I'm with you in "What else could he say?" is always a question I ask.

In this case, Saleh could have said tons of things way less over the top and effusive than, "I've said it a million times: He loves his teammates, and his teammates love him," coach Robert Saleh said.

And the fact he was voted Most Inspirational Player for the Dennis Byrd Award, something I'm assuming players take seriously, after just being on the field for 3 plays says even more.

Bigger picture, my guess is he'll probably retire. His legacy as a first ballot Hall of Famer is secure and I'd assume he doesn't need the money. He clearly isn't overly concerned what people think.

I just find the prevailing narrative about how he was so overwhelmingly disliked by his teammates and the dismissing of facts fascinating. But that's not important to the Football angle here.

It's most likely projection. "I don't like him, so I will assume most other people also don't like him." Along with the fact it helps support a narrative people try to push, but that dips into political agendas so we can let that alone. It's fairly obvious to see anyway.

After the past few weeks, I agree it feels like retirement is quickly becoming the odds on favorite for what Rodgers will do. My second choice will be continuing into the season unsigned waiting in the wings to potentially be an option for a playoff contender who loses their starter mid season.

 

[menobrown]

Bigger picture, my guess is he'll probably retire

After the past few weeks, I agree it feels like retirement is quickly becoming the odds on favorite for what Rodgers will do.

I'm still guessing he decides to join Pittsburgh but feel like we'll likely have a really good, if not official, idea by end of Thursday night.

If Sanders or Dart(who one Steeler beat writer claims they have a first round grade on) are available and the they pass to me that's going to signal they believe with confidence he's joining them. If they take one of those QB's I think that will shut the door.

 

[eighsse2]

Polymarket bettors agree with the sentiment that retirement is becoming a more realistic, though still unlikely, possibility.

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[Chaka]

I don't think he wants to let his career getting ended getting unceremoniously cut in Glenn's office

That guy loves playing the victim. The fact that he considers it to be unceremonious is further indication that his skills do not outweigh his baggage.

He's pure locker room poison at this point in his career.

Poison is a strong word. Does his teammates usually dislike him?

Enough of them does.

Link?

His continued unemployment.

 

[Chaka]

If his talent was worth his baggage he'd have a job at this point. Even diminished physically if he was a guy who unified locker rooms and elevated teams someone would have paid him already.

At this point it seems pretty clear he has become an option of last resort.

Teams are trying to see if they can fill their needs through draft before pivoting to Rodgers.

There is probably an equal chance that Kirk Cousins gets acquired by someone before Rodgers.

 

[menobrown]

If his talent was worth his baggage he'd have a job at this point.

I think it's pretty obvious he has a job with the Steelers if he wants it.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

If his talent was worth his baggage he'd have a job at this point.

I think it's pretty obvious he has a job with the Steelers if he wants it.

It's equally obvious he doesn't really want it that much (or he'd have probably agreed to the alleged offer on the table). He's using them as his "safety school", or something.

They should just move on, IMO. They won't, and it doesn't really cost them anything to give it more time, I guess, but they probably should. They can win between 7-10 games without hims as easily as they can with him. He's not making them into a 13 win SB contender.

 

[menobrown]

It's equally obvious he doesn't really want it that much

I don't agree it's obvious at all.

 

[Tau837]

Bigger picture, my guess is he'll probably retire

After the past few weeks, I agree it feels like retirement is quickly becoming the odds on favorite for what Rodgers will do.

I'm still guessing he decides to join Pittsburgh but feel like we'll likely have a really good, if not official, idea by end of Thursday night.

If Sanders or Dart(who one Steeler beat writer claims they have a first round grade on) are available and the they pass to me that's going to signal they believe with confidence he's joining them. If they take one of those QB's I think that will shut the door.

If the Steelers have first round grades on Sanders and Dart and were to pass on one of them at their pick for 41 year old Rodgers, that would seem to be extremely foolish and short-sighted. If they don't have first round grades on them, or if neither is available to them, that's different.

 

[menobrown]

Bigger picture, my guess is he'll probably retire

After the past few weeks, I agree it feels like retirement is quickly becoming the odds on favorite for what Rodgers will do.

I'm still guessing he decides to join Pittsburgh but feel like we'll likely have a really good, if not official, idea by end of Thursday night.

If Sanders or Dart(who one Steeler beat writer claims they have a first round grade on) are available and the they pass to me that's going to signal they believe with confidence he's joining them. If they take one of those QB's I think that will shut the door.

If the Steelers have first round grades on Sanders and Dart and were to pass on one of them at their pick for 41 year old Rodgers, that would seem to be extremely foolish and short-sighted. If they don't have first round grades on them, or if neither is available to them, that's different.

If by first round you mean one of the top 12-15 players most people say are worthy of a first round grade this year then I totally agree. If by first round you mean one of them is not in that 12-15 but inside their top 32 then I don't necessarily agree.

What we don't know and could very well be at play here is the Steelers have been upfront with Rodgers that they might draft a QB in round one and he's not going to commit to them until that decision has been made.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

It's equally obvious he doesn't really want it that much

I don't agree it's obvious at all.

That's your prerogative, of course. I'm comfortable with the opinion.

I think he will "deign" to play for the Steelers, if he decided he's playing and all other avenues are blocked. I do not get the sense that he is very excited about the prospects. Particularly if he's only willing to play for what he feels is a "SB Contender." They clearly aren't that, ergo....

I have always thought it's more likely he's going to retire, or he's going to sit around waiting for what he feels is a better scenario (e.g. a true contender's QB gets broken in half in camp/etc.), than it is he winds up a Steeler.

 

[Tau837]

Bigger picture, my guess is he'll probably retire

After the past few weeks, I agree it feels like retirement is quickly becoming the odds on favorite for what Rodgers will do.

I'm still guessing he decides to join Pittsburgh but feel like we'll likely have a really good, if not official, idea by end of Thursday night.

If Sanders or Dart(who one Steeler beat writer claims they have a first round grade on) are available and the they pass to me that's going to signal they believe with confidence he's joining them. If they take one of those QB's I think that will shut the door.

If the Steelers have first round grades on Sanders and Dart and were to pass on one of them at their pick for 41 year old Rodgers, that would seem to be extremely foolish and short-sighted. If they don't have first round grades on them, or if neither is available to them, that's different.

If by first round you mean one of the top 12-15 players most people say are worthy of a first round grade this year then I totally agree. If by first round you mean one of them is not in that 12-15 but inside their top 32 then I don't necessarily agree.

What we don't know and could very well be at play here is the Steelers have been upfront with Rodgers that they might draft a QB in round one and he's not going to commit to them until that decision has been made.

Makes sense. My comment was just reacting to your post saying one beat writer claims they have a first round grade on Dart and saying you think if they pass that signals Rodgers is joining the Steelers. I'm just saying they shouldn't pass if they have high grades on Sanders/Dart, regardless of whether they will sign Rodgers.

 

[menobrown]

what he feels is a "SB Contender." They clearly aren't that, ergo...

And that would be your prerogative to have that opinion but I don't think it's shared by the Steelers. No idea if it's shared by Rodgers, but if he believes in himself and sees a team that's a QB away he probably does not. I sure don't think teams like the Vikings for instance represent a far greater chance of being SB contenders.

 

[menobrown]

Bigger picture, my guess is he'll probably retire

After the past few weeks, I agree it feels like retirement is quickly becoming the odds on favorite for what Rodgers will do.

I'm still guessing he decides to join Pittsburgh but feel like we'll likely have a really good, if not official, idea by end of Thursday night.

If Sanders or Dart(who one Steeler beat writer claims they have a first round grade on) are available and the they pass to me that's going to signal they believe with confidence he's joining them. If they take one of those QB's I think that will shut the door.

If the Steelers have first round grades on Sanders and Dart and were to pass on one of them at their pick for 41 year old Rodgers, that would seem to be extremely foolish and short-sighted. If they don't have first round grades on them, or if neither is available to them, that's different.

If by first round you mean one of the top 12-15 players most people say are worthy of a first round grade this year then I totally agree. If by first round you mean one of them is not in that 12-15 but inside their top 32 then I don't necessarily agree.

What we don't know and could very well be at play here is the Steelers have been upfront with Rodgers that they might draft a QB in round one and he's not going to commit to them until that decision has been made.

Makes sense. My comment was just reacting to your post saying one beat writer claims they have a first round grade on Dart and saying you think if they pass that signals Rodgers is joining the Steelers. I'm just saying they shouldn't pass if they have high grades on Sanders/Dart, regardless of whether they will sign Rodgers.

We are on the same page and I mentioned in another post that the same article where the guy mentioned the Steelers had a first round grade on Dart he later described Sanders as uber athletic and I quit reading the article at that point. So safe to say I could not put much stock in the Dart comment, just passed it along.

 

[MAC_32]

As the days go by, I am more and more impressed by Aaron Glenn. This is how you create an environment with good culture. Wouldn't bet on him because not many can overcome toxic leadership like the Jets, but if someone is to break the mold this is how you do it.

 

[Zeppelin]

As the days go by, I am more and more impressed by Aaron Glenn. This is how you create an environment with good culture. Wouldn't bet on him because not many can overcome toxic leadership like the Jets, but if someone is to break the mold this is how you do it.

The above is a big reason why Dan Campbell brought him to Detroit.

 

[Chaka]

If his talent was worth his baggage he'd have a job at this point.

I think it's pretty obvious he has a job with the Steelers if he wants it.

Maybe. Probably even.

I could argue that, at this point, the Steelers are More than content to see what they're able to do in the draft.

 

[Joe Bryant]

As the days go by, I am more and more impressed by Aaron Glenn. This is how you create an environment with good culture. Wouldn't bet on him because not many can overcome toxic leadership like the Jets, but if someone is to break the mold this is how you do it.

What specifically is new or has been revealed in recent days that's impressive? What spefically is toxic about the Jets leadership?

 

[Chaka]

It's equally obvious he doesn't really want it that much

I don't agree it's obvious at all.

Then what's the hold up? There is literally no reason for him to not be in a Pittsburgh uniform right now if he really wanted it and they really wanted it.

So; either he's biding his time for a better option, the Steelers are biding their time for a better option or they both are.

 

[Chaka]

What we don't know and could very well be at play here is the Steelers have been upfront with Rodgers that they might draft a QB in round one and he's not going to commit to them until that decision has been made.

Absolutely agree.

 

[Chaka]

As the days go by, I am more and more impressed by Aaron Glenn. This is how you create an environment with good culture. Wouldn't bet on him because not many can overcome toxic leadership like the Jets, but if someone is to break the mold this is how you do it.

What specifically is new or has been revealed in recent days that's impressive? What spefically is toxic about the Jets leadership?

Using Madden grades to scout players?

 

[menobrown]

It's equally obvious he doesn't really want it that much

I don't agree it's obvious at all.

Then what's the hold up? There is literally no reason for him to not be in a Pittsburgh uniform right now if he really wanted it and they really wanted it.

So; either he's biding his time for a better option, the Steelers are biding their time for a better option or they both are.

180 read from you on this.

Did you not read, listen or hear his appearance last week? He literally discussed why he's not made a decision yet and nothing he said indicated it had anything to do with the team(s) making him offers.

If you think his indecision is strictly about the Steelers that fails to compute to me because he flew across the country to meet with the Jets but when asked if he was still wanted to play he did not say "yes", just said he was "interested". This all suggests to me a guy who is in the mindset he just said he was in last week, which is not ready to make a decision yet. Everything in his actions is backing up what he is saying. He sure did not fly to Pittsburgh, spend the day with them and workout with Metcalf because he has no interest in them. That's the actions taken by someone who is taking time, time allotted to him, to go through his options.


The owner of the Steelers sure as heck would not be saying he expects Rodgers to join the they had no interest in him. Their interest can't be more obvious and why people question that makes no sense to me, the truth is right here in front of you.

It's kind of ironic to me that a guy so many hate in part because he's a conspiracy theorist like to sit around making conspiracy theories on why or why not he's signed with someone and just totally ignore what he and the Steelers are saying.

 

[Joe Bryant]

@menobrown stop being so factual please.

 

[MAC_32]

As the days go by, I am more and more impressed by Aaron Glenn. This is how you create an environment with good culture. Wouldn't bet on him because not many can overcome toxic leadership like the Jets, but if someone is to break the mold this is how you do it.

What specifically is new or has been revealed in recent days that's impressive? What spefically is toxic about the Jets leadership?

Using Madden grades to scout players?

Right, ownership is toxic. I think I understand what Joe's trying to accomplish, but all it does is stunt conversation. I'm a Browns fan- if I'm gonna get butt hurt by someone calling our ownership toxic then that's a me problem. I expect the same of Jets fans. Cause it's true until it's demonstrated it's not.

Ultimately, all we have a lens to is what is strategically leaked to the media- specificity is not a realistic ask in this context, so I'll just share this:

How to Fix a Toxic Culture

Advice on addressing toxic leadership, toxic social norms, and work design to improve corporate culture.

sloanreview.mit.edu

What exactly is Glenn doing? and how? I just know the outcome of his process is not placating the nonsense of an over-the-hill drama queen that led the development of and execution of a failed unit that got everyone else fired. That's a good thing, standard setting and making difficult decisions adhering to those standards is one way a new leader takes command of a broken operation.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Right, ownership is toxic. I think I understand what Joe's trying to accomplish, but all it does is stunt conversation.

I don't think you do understand.

What I'm trying to accomplish is exactly what I said - trying to understand specifically what you think is new or has been revealed in recent days that's impressive? What spefically is toxic about the Jets leadership?

This isn't code. That's a real question. Thanks.

 

[MAC_32]

Right, ownership is toxic. I think I understand what Joe's trying to accomplish, but all it does is stunt conversation.

I don't think you do understand.

What I'm trying to accomplish is exactly what I said - trying to understand specifically what you think is new or has been revealed in recent days that's impressive? What spefically is toxic about the Jets leadership?

This isn't code. That's a real question. Thanks.

Well then you're not asking good questions cause I'm not a part of Jets leadership.

 

[Crash Davis]

https://x.com/NYJ_Matt/status/1912934130523812017

It wouldn't have mattered what the Jets did they'd have been "wrong" in his eyes. If they called him up and told him over the phone the narrative would have been that they weren't even man enough to do it in person. I'm comfortable with the way they handled it and I love that they won't respond to it either. Time to fully move on. The only way to shed the dysfunctional label is to go start winning and going back and forth with Rodgers in the media isn't going to do anything to help accomplish that.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Right, ownership is toxic. I think I understand what Joe's trying to accomplish, but all it does is stunt conversation.

I don't think you do understand.

What I'm trying to accomplish is exactly what I said - trying to understand specifically what you think is new or has been revealed in recent days that's impressive? What spefically is toxic about the Jets leadership?

This isn't code. That's a real question. Thanks.

Well then you're not asking good questions cause I'm not a part of Jets leadership.

You said, "Right, ownership is toxic."

When I ask specifically what is toxic about the Jets leadership, that's somehow not a good question because you're not part of Jets leadership?

 

[Chaka]

It's equally obvious he doesn't really want it that much

I don't agree it's obvious at all.

Then what's the hold up? There is literally no reason for him to not be in a Pittsburgh uniform right now if he really wanted it and they really wanted it.

So; either he's biding his time for a better option, the Steelers are biding their time for a better option or they both are.

180 read from you on this.

Did you not read, listen or hear his appearance last week? He literally discussed why he's not made a decision yet and nothing he said indicated it had anything to do with the team(s) making him offers.

If you think his indecision is strictly about the Steelers that fails to compute to me because he flew across the country to meet with the Jets but when asked if he was still wanted to play he did not say "yes", just said he was "interested". This all suggests to me a guy who is in the mindset he just said he was in last week, which is not ready to make a decision yet. Everything in his actions is backing up what he is saying. He sure did not fly to Pittsburgh, spend the day with them and workout with Metcalf because he has no interest in them. That's the actions taken by someone who is taking time, time allotted to him, to go through his options.


The owner of the Steelers sure as heck would not be saying he expects Rodgers to join the they had no interest in him. Their interest can't be more obvious and why people question that makes no sense to me, the truth is right here in front of you.

It's kind of ironic to me that a guy so many hate in part because he's a conspiracy theorist like to sit around making conspiracy theories on why or why not he's signed with someone and just totally ignore what he and the Steelers are saying.

I did read his quotes from his appearances last week and it comes off as more grievance airing than anything.

IIRC he said there is an unspecified issue with someone in his inner circle that is the primary driver of his not making a decision. We can, and maybe should, take that at face value but, I also consider the source and from him it comes off as excuse making at best.

And I am more bothered by things like lying than his penchant for conspiracy theories.

Not showing up for parts of the offseason because he went to Egypt, then lying about the team being aware. And, yes, lying about being vaccinated (it was unquestionably a lie) says a ton about his character. Liars lie.

His "leadership" when Mike Williams misread a route was absolutely pathetic and toxic on every level.

He has been, not appeared to be, a prima donna excuse monger who does not does not hold himself to the same standards as he holds others. His rants about the Jets needing to get rid of distractions while being the biggest distraction on the team were shameful and entirely tone deaf.

Then there is the fact that multiple sources have said over the years that he cared more about his stats than winning, particularly his low INT%. He's an all time great, there is no question about that but it isn't hard to imagine the Packers may have gotten at least one more ring if he was a little more aggressive at times.

I think he will eventually sign with the Steelers but, I'm also thinking the Steelers are happy to continue exploring other options.