QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (1 Viewer)

[MAC_32]

Right, ownership is toxic. I think I understand what Joe's trying to accomplish, but all it does is stunt conversation.

I don't think you do understand.

What I'm trying to accomplish is exactly what I said - trying to understand specifically what you think is new or has been revealed in recent days that's impressive? What spefically is toxic about the Jets leadership?

This isn't code. That's a real question. Thanks.

Well then you're not asking good questions cause I'm not a part of Jets leadership.

You said, "Right, ownership is toxic."

When I ask specifically what is toxic about the Jets leadership, that's somehow not a good question because you're not part of Jets leadership?

'Google Woody Johnson toxic' is more bandwidth than I planned to expend on this subject and if that's not good enough for you then I suggest you do your own research. I'm a proponent of critical thinking and enhanced scrutiny, but only on subjects worth that time & energy. This isn't one of them.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In this case, Saleh could have said tons of things way less over the top and effusive than, "I've said it a million times: He loves his teammates, and his teammates love him," coach Robert Saleh said.

Due respect, but you clearly haven’t seen many Robert Saleh pressers.

From his time in SF it’s obvious that the man would saw off his big toe with a pocket knife and eat it on camera before he ever uttered a single negative word about any of his players.

I vividly recall him being asked pointed questions about specific terrible defensive plays, and Saleh giving the most diplomatic responses possible. The press tried hard to get him to throw guys under the bus and he never took the bait.

I didn’t follow him as closely in NY, so maybe Jets fans can weigh in on that from their perspective but I’d be shocked if it was any different there.

It’s why players love the guy.

Bigger picture, my guess is he'll probably retire. His legacy as a first ballot Hall of Famer is secure and I'd assume he doesn't need the money. He clearly isn't overly concerned what people think.

Retirement is certainly a possibility, and one Rodgers camp has floated IIRC.

That said, I absolutely disagree that ARod isn’t overly concerned with what people think. Were that true, he wouldn’t keep trying to relitigate what happened because of his vaccine stance unsolicited every time he does an interview. He’s obviously defensive about that which seems to prove that he does care what people think.

I just find the prevailing narrative about how he was so overwhelmingly disliked by his teammates and the dismissing of facts fascinating. But that's not important to the Football angle here.

That seems to be a projection on your part.

There isn’t a prevailing narrative - there’s a detailed quote from an ex-NFL GM, and some history of specific teammates who’ve called him out for the same sort of things. Then go back a little further to the reports that he basically ghosted his entire immediate family and a pattern emerges.

That’s smoke leading people to believe there may be fire. Calling it a narrative seems unduly dismissive of the things his colleagues have said about him.

As with all things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. He’s probably not as much of a jerk as he comes off when he does the Pat MacAfee show, or when he skips OTAs to go on vacation, then lies about it. And he’s probably not as much of a misunderstood savant as fans of ARod attempt to portray him.

Whatever he is, he remains unemployed after an offseason where 6 teams needed a starting QB (and several apparently still do) headed into the NFL draft.

Personally I find the whole thing fascinating and look forward to seeing where he ends up, or if he does indeed retire. I agree with whomever it was that said he probably doesn’t want his legacy to include going out the way he did with the Jets in 2024.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Due respect, but you clearly haven’t seen many Robert Saleh pressers.

I've seen plenty. But thanks.

The continued gymnastics to try and justify a position that people didn't really mean the words they said is interesting.

I've no interest in trying to convince you otherwise. Rock on.

 

[Football Jones]

The truth is almost certainly somewhere in the middle, but lots of negative projecting with Rent-Free and that's not something that's negotiable.

Look at all the clowns in the NFL...without their athletic ability, many of them would no doubt be a drain on society. Again, Rodgers is just a really weird choice for public enemy #1, lol. I find it fascinating.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Due respect, but you clearly haven’t seen many Robert Saleh pressers.

I've seen plenty.

The continued gymnastics to try and justify a position that people didn't really mean the words they said is interesting.

I've no interest in trying to convince you otherwise. Rock on.

It’s not gymnastics. It’s a coach who consistently stands up for his players. It’s his MO.

seems relevant.

Rocking on

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Again, Rodgers is just a really weird choice for public enemy #1, lol. I find it fascinating.

And again, this is your projection.

I can think of at least 10 more disliked players off the top of my head before I even consider ARod.

He’s not “public enemy #1”, and no one in here has asserted that he is.

 

[Football Jones]

Again, Rodgers is just a really weird choice for public enemy #1, lol. I find it fascinating.

And again, this is your projection.

I can think of at least 10 more disliked players off the top of my head before I even consider ARod.

He’s not “public enemy #1”, and no one in here has asserted that he is.

You don't have to assert it...we see it.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The truth is almost certainly somewhere in the middle, but lots of negative projecting with Rent-Free and that's not something that's negotiable.

Look at all the clowns in the NFL...without their athletic ability, many of them would no doubt be a drain on society. Again, Rodgers is just a really weird choice for public enemy #1, lol. I find it fascinating.

I too find it super interesting. I have zero inside knowledge but looking from the outside, I think it seems pretty clear.

Minnesota is a dream landing spot with the weapons and coach. But they have obvious reasons not to sign him as they have what they think is the QB of the future on board and clearly, Rodgers is polarizing for many.

Pittsburgh seems like a distant option B.

If Minnesota were to offer, my guess is 95% he'd say yes.

If Minnesota says no and Pittsburgh offers, my guess is it's 25% yes, 75% retire.

His job situation as a possible NFL Qb and his situation as an all time NFL QB great is incredibly unique, but similar things are super common. Tons of people every day make similar job decisions about taking the maybe ok job vs retiring. This isn't that much different except for a zillion people watching.

It's been my experience too that fans put way more emphasis on "how it ends" than athletes do. They want to play. It's what they know. We think they all want to "go out on top". Most just play and put way less emphasis on some storybook ending than fans do.

And the truth is most everyone forgets in a couple of years. My guess is Rodgers would be extremely content ending on his 2024 reason with a remarkable come back from an Achilles reconstruction and be more than content with his Hall of Fame career.

 

[Football Jones]

The truth is almost certainly somewhere in the middle, but lots of negative projecting with Rent-Free and that's not something that's negotiable.

Look at all the clowns in the NFL...without their athletic ability, many of them would no doubt be a drain on society. Again, Rodgers is just a really weird choice for public enemy #1, lol. I find it fascinating.

I too find it super interesting. I have zero inside knowledge but looking from the outside, I think it seems pretty clear.

Minnesota is a dream landing spot with the weapons and coach. But they have obvious reasons not to sign him as they have what they think is the QB of the future on board and clearly, Rodgers is polarizing for many.

Pittsburgh seems like a distant option B.

If Minnesota were to offer, my guess is 95% he'd say yes.

If Minnesota says no and Pittsburgh offers, my guess is it's 25% yes, 75% retire.

His job situation as a possible NFL Qb and his situation as an all time NFL QB great is incredibly unique, but similar things are super common. Tons of people every day make similar job decisions about taking the maybe ok job vs retiring. This isn't that much different except for a zillion people watching.

It's been my experience too that fans put way more emphasis on "how it ends" than athletes do. They want to play. It's what they know. We think they all want to "go out on top". Most just play and put way less emphasis on some storybook ending than fans do.

And the truth is most everyone forgets in a couple of years. My guess is Rodgers would be extremely content ending on his 2024 reason with a remarkable come back from an Achilles reconstruction and be more than content with his Hall of Fame career.

Yeah, I think Rodgers would jump on Minnesota if given the chance. Like you, I tend to think it's likely he passes on the Steelers in the end.

I'm not sure A-Rod is content with the way it ended, though (if this is it). I could be WAY off, but I believe retiring and coming back next season under an ideal situation is possible. It might even be Minnesota if JJ falters.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Again, Rodgers is just a really weird choice for public enemy #1, lol. I find it fascinating.

And again, this is your projection.

I can think of at least 10 more disliked players off the top of my head before I even consider ARod.

He’s not “public enemy #1”, and no one in here has asserted that he is.

You don't have to assert it...we see it.

Hallucinations are a serious medical condition. I suggest seeking psychiatric help for that.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I'd be more than surprised to see AR in Minnesota. They are pretty invested in JJ and he's already lost a year on his rookie contract.

 

[Football Jones]

Again, Rodgers is just a really weird choice for public enemy #1, lol. I find it fascinating.

And again, this is your projection.

I can think of at least 10 more disliked players off the top of my head before I even consider ARod.

He’s not “public enemy #1”, and no one in here has asserted that he is.

You don't have to assert it...we see it.

Hallucinations are a serious medical condition. I suggest seeking psychiatric help for that.

Ol' Rent-Free got that death grip on you, I see. Rodgers owns more virtual property than anyone in the world.

You should be ok, though. Nobody has ever died from it.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Troll City.

 

[Football Jones]

This is why the Rodgers "issue" is so interesting to me and others.

A-Rod REALLY grates on people...enough so that their dislike of him causes them to project onto others.

Fascinating stuff...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Again, Rodgers is just a really weird choice for public enemy #1, lol. I find it fascinating.

And again, this is your projection.

I can think of at least 10 more disliked players off the top of my head before I even consider ARod.

He’s not “public enemy #1”, and no one in here has asserted that he is.

You don't have to assert it...we see it.

Hallucinations are a serious medical condition. I suggest seeking psychiatric help for that.

Ol' Rent-Free got that death grip on you, I see. Rodgers owns more virtual property than anyone in the world.

You should be ok, though. Nobody has ever died from it.

This is obviously trolling, so I'm putting you on ignore now. Enjoy your day.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Troll City.

It's pretty obvious at this point.

 

[Football Jones]

At this point, I don't see the Vikes offering unless JJ gets hurt or bombs.

I believe they initially considered it and only have it as a "break glass" option now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And the truth is most everyone forgets in a couple of years.

Seems like a bold claim. Am I the only one who remembers McNabb puking on the sidelines in the SB loss,or McNair falling juuuuuust short, or that Marino never won a ring, or that Fauts ended his career with a shoulder injury in the loss to the Colts, or that Collins ended up holding a clipboard for a couple of seasons, or that pro-bowl level Bledsoe got speared in the chest resulting in Tom Terrific becoming the GOAT, or that Unitas had a horrific 2-11 season with the Chargers?

These are all off the top of my head.

I guess I'm not most everyone.

 

[Deamon]

I'd be more than surprised to see AR in Minnesota. They are pretty invested in JJ and he's already lost a year on his rookie contract.

I'd be surprised too. They already have a competent starter as well as JJ as a great backup.

 

[Football Jones]

Again, Rodgers is just a really weird choice for public enemy #1, lol. I find it fascinating.

And again, this is your projection.

I can think of at least 10 more disliked players off the top of my head before I even consider ARod.

He’s not “public enemy #1”, and no one in here has asserted that he is.

You don't have to assert it...we see it.

Hallucinations are a serious medical condition. I suggest seeking psychiatric help for that.

Ol' Rent-Free got that death grip on you, I see. Rodgers owns more virtual property than anyone in the world.

You should be ok, though. Nobody has ever died from it.

This is obviously trolling, so I'm putting you on ignore now. Enjoy your day.Just a playful return jab to your hallucination comment, lol.

Just a playful jab in response to your hallucination comment, lol.

I don't put people on ignore...have a good one.

 

[Football Jones]

I just realized I've been accused of trolling for the 2nd time in my 25 years on this site. The first time was last year in the Goff thread by you know which fans, lol. There's something about certain topics that really brings the emotions out. I guess I can understand that.

Back on topic, I wonder if Pittsburgh taking Sanders or Dart would stop them from pursuing Rodgers.

 

[Deamon]

I just realized I've been accused of trolling for the 2nd time in my 25 years on this site. The first time was last year in the Goff thread by you know which fans, lol. There's something about certain topics that really brings the emotions out. I guess I can understand that.

Back on topic, I wonder if Pittsburgh taking Sanders or Dart would stop them from pursuing Rodgers.

C'mon, your "Rico Gathers is going to be the greatest Tight End in NFL History" posts HAD to be trolling too.

 

[Football Jones]

I just realized I've been accused of trolling for the 2nd time in my 25 years on this site. The first time was last year in the Goff thread by you know which fans, lol. There's something about certain topics that really brings the emotions out. I guess I can understand that.

Back on topic, I wonder if Pittsburgh taking Sanders or Dart would stop them from pursuing Rodgers.

C'mon, your "Rico Gathers is going to be the greatest Tight End in NFL History" posts HAD to be trolling too.

I think you might be exaggerating a bit, lol. I had him as a FANTASTIC deep sleeper. I thought I found another gem like Julius Thomas.

Too bad he was more interested in his music. He ended up more like Julie Thomas.

 

[Joe Bryant]

At this point, I don't see the Vikes offering unless JJ gets hurt or bombs.

I believe they initially considered it and only have it as a "break glass" option now.

Agreed. I think that makes sense for them if they think McCarthy is ready.

Same reason I can see why Glenn didn't want to have Rodgers there. He brings a lot of noise, whether you think it's fair or self inflicted or whatever. It's noise. And it takes a strong and secure personality to make it work. It's why I think he'd be a good fit with Tomlin. The question there would be if Rodgers wants to take the less than ideal situation or if he'd rather retire.

I totally get the idea that at some point, you've earned the right (and can afford the right) to pick the spot and only do what you really want to do.

 

[Football Jones]

At this point, I don't see the Vikes offering unless JJ gets hurt or bombs.

I believe they initially considered it and only have it as a "break glass" option now.

Agreed. I think that makes sense for them if they think McCarthy is ready.

Same reason I can see why Glenn didn't want to have Rodgers there. He brings a lot of noise, whether you think it's fair or self inflicted or whatever. It's noise. And it takes a strong and secure personality to make it work. It's why I think he'd be a good fit with Tomlin. The question there would be if Rodgers wants to take the less than ideal situation or if he'd rather retire.

I totally get the idea that at some point, you've earned the right (and can afford the right) to pick the spot and only do what you really want to do.

Rodgers would have some nice weapons to work with in Pittsburgh. I could see him and Tomlin making it work. I believe Rodgers has spoken well of Tomlin in the past.

 

[Deamon]

I just realized I've been accused of trolling for the 2nd time in my 25 years on this site. The first time was last year in the Goff thread by you know which fans, lol. There's something about certain topics that really brings the emotions out. I guess I can understand that.

Back on topic, I wonder if Pittsburgh taking Sanders or Dart would stop them from pursuing Rodgers.

C'mon, your "Rico Gathers is going to be the greatest Tight End in NFL History" posts HAD to be trolling too.

I think you might be exaggerating a bit, lol. I had him as a FANTASTIC deep sleeper. I thought I found another gem like Julius Thomas.

Too bad he was more interested in his music. He ended up more like Julie Thomas.

haha was hyperbole. I always get a kick out of remembering that guy/hype though.

 

[Football Jones]

I just realized I've been accused of trolling for the 2nd time in my 25 years on this site. The first time was last year in the Goff thread by you know which fans, lol. There's something about certain topics that really brings the emotions out. I guess I can understand that.

Back on topic, I wonder if Pittsburgh taking Sanders or Dart would stop them from pursuing Rodgers.

C'mon, your "Rico Gathers is going to be the greatest Tight End in NFL History" posts HAD to be trolling too.

I think you might be exaggerating a bit, lol. I had him as a FANTASTIC deep sleeper. I thought I found another gem like Julius Thomas.

Too bad he was more interested in his music. He ended up more like Julie Thomas.

haha was hyperbole. I always get a kick out of remembering that guy/hype though.

The hype was real!

 

[Riffraff]

As anyone over 40 knows, they can roll out of bed with something random sprained - for no reason at all.
So, maybe smart for him to miss team activities, but could have signed, lifted a few 12-ounce curls and hammed it up with the new teammates.

The NFL has divided the offseason into three phases, with it all kicking off for the Steelers on April 21 when players report for voluntary workouts that are limited to strength and conditioning.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think he wants to let his career getting ended getting unceremoniously cut in Glenn's office

That guy loves playing the victim. The fact that he considers it to be unceremonious is further indication that his skills do not outweigh his baggage.

He's pure locker room poison at this point in his career.

Poison is a strong word. Does his teammates usually dislike him?

Enough of them does.

We get it, you hate Aaron Rodgers

 

[Chaka]

I don't think he wants to let his career getting ended getting unceremoniously cut in Glenn's office

That guy loves playing the victim. The fact that he considers it to be unceremonious is further indication that his skills do not outweigh his baggage.

He's pure locker room poison at this point in his career.

Poison is a strong word. Does his teammates usually dislike him?

Enough of them does.

We get it, you hate Aaron Rodgers

Football hate, not IRL hate*.

I believe some people are entirely too forgiving of his obvious on field and locker room flaws based on the player he was four years ago. IMO the benefit of doubt should have expired at this point.

*(I'll reserve that for when he tries to bring his particular brand of Crazy to DC after he retires.)

 

[Chaka]

FTR I believe there is little doubt Rodgers is the best Free Agent QB available at this point.

 

[Hankmoody]

He's not retiring. Right now he's making sure he doesn't get Cousins'd by a rookie/JJM. If he can't get a commitment to a starting job he'll hang on his couch Flacco style and wait for a playoff team (or Dallas) to lose their QB and be desperate enough for them to come begging.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He's not retiring. Right now he's making sure he doesn't get Cousins'd by a rookie/JJM. If he can't get a commitment to a starting job he'll hang on his couch Flacco style and wait for a playoff team (or Dallas) to lose their QB and be desperate enough for them to come begging.

This seems accurate to me. Contrary to @Joe Bryant assertion, I believe athletes absolutely care about their legacy. Especially ego-centric position like QB.

I don’t think ARod wants to go out like that.

 

[massraider]

Jets would rather roll with Justin Fields.

That says quite a bit.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Troll City.

What exactly are you accusing of being trolling?

 

[Zeppelin]

Troll City.

What exactly are you accusing of being trolling?

I'm not the poster you quoted but constantly saying rent free does it. It just asks for a response.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Jets would rather roll with Justin Fields.

That says quite a bit.

I think that says as much about Glenn as it does Rodgers. But I know I'm in the minority there.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Troll City.

What exactly are you accusing of being trolling?

"Ol' Rent-Free got that death grip on you, I see. Rodgers owns more virtual property than anyone in the world."

That.

 

[Zeppelin]

FTR I believe there is little doubt Rodgers is the best Free Agent QB available at this point.

What other QBs are still free agents?

 

[Zeppelin]

Jets would rather roll with Justin Fields.

That says quite a bit.

I think that says as much about Glenn as it does Rodgers. But I know I'm in the minority there.

I don't understand this. It's clear (at least to me) that Glenn doesn't want the distractions that Rodgers would bring. I do think him skipping mandatory minicamp last year played a part of his decision. He's trying to change the culture like Dan Campbell did here and that means getting full buyin from everyone, especially those that would be the leaders of the team. Things like skipping mandatory minicamp would undermine what Glenn is trying to do.

 

[Chaka]

What could Salah say other than that? He was stuck with him.

Always enjoyed watching Rodgers and nothing against him but hard to swallow he was truly an inspirational player while missing the whole season other than about 3 plays.

I'm with you in "What else could he say?" is always a question I ask.

In this case, Saleh could have said tons of things way less over the top and effusive than, "I've said it a million times: He loves his teammates, and his teammates love him," coach Robert Saleh said.

And the fact he was voted Most Inspirational Player for the Dennis Byrd Award, something I'm assuming players take seriously, after just being on the field for 3 plays says even more.

Bigger picture, my guess is he'll probably retire. His legacy as a first ballot Hall of Famer is secure and I'd assume he doesn't need the money. He clearly isn't overly concerned what people think.

I just find the prevailing narrative about how he was so overwhelmingly disliked by his teammates and the dismissing of facts fascinating. But that's not important to the Football angle here.

Getting voted Most Inspirational after blowing an Achilles on his fourth snap in a Jets uniform doesn't seem like much of an indication one way or the other, does it? Seems like a sympathy vote as much as anything. Kinda like Henry Fonda getting the Oscar for On Golden Pond. I think he was about the same age as Rodgers is now.

Being one of the people who clearly believes Rodgers talent doesn't justify his drama I still acknowledge plenty of players love him. (certainly never said he was overwhelmingly disliked).Why wouldn't they?

But that hardly means plenty of players don't dislike him. It's easy to counter that statement with "Link?. It's an overly reductive and I'll considered response.

Not many players have made long careers by publicly calling out other players. Judging by public comments by all players about all other players we would think that virtually every player thinks every other player is the best ever (Mike Evans and Marshon Lattimore being a notable exception). So we end up with a self selecting data set that appears overwhelmingly positive.

Rodgers being liked virtually cannot be disproven. But absence of evidence, especially in instances like this, is not evidence of absence.

 

[Chaka]

FTR I believe there is little doubt Rodgers is the best Free Agent QB available at this point.

What other QBs are still free agents?

RODGERS IS THE BEST!!!!

 

[menobrown]

Jets would rather roll with Justin Fields.

That says quite a bit.

Well based on people I follow the Steelers lowballed the hell out of Fields and Wilson because Rodgers was always Plan A so that says just as much to me.

 

[massraider]

Jets would rather roll with Justin Fields.

That says quite a bit.

I think that says as much about Glenn as it does Rodgers. But I know I'm in the minority there.

Among NFL teams who needed a QB in the spring, Glenn is in the majority.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Troll City.

What exactly are you accusing of being trolling?

• The 3-4 posts yesterday stating emphatically that it was “all political”
-and-
• based on his vaccination politics
-and-
• therefore everyone just hates his politics.

Both are projections that not one poster here even hinted at.

The mods appear to have erased those posts and posts of people pointing it out.

Today:
• ARod “lives rent free in everyone’s head” - an assertion about every poster who isn’t on the ARod side.
• Nicknaming him “rent-free” - to continue that assertion.
• claiming everyone considers him “public enemy #1” when literally no one said that
• claiming people “hate” him, thus assigning emotions not expressed by anyone critical of him. Because surely no one could be critical without “hating” him? Cmon.

All pretty straightforward trolling, thanks for asking.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Jets would rather roll with Justin Fields.

That says quite a bit.

Well based on people I follow the Steelers lowballed the hell out of Fields and Wilson because Rodgers was always Plan A so that says just as much to me.

That bit is likely accurate.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Kinda like Henry Fonda getting the Oscar for On Golden Pond. I think he was about the same age as Rodgers is now.

This is hands down one of the funniest posts ever typed on this or any forum. What a reference. I’m dying.

No really I’m old and dying because I’m old enough to have understood it.

 

[Chaka]

Kinda like Henry Fonda getting the Oscar for On Golden Pond. I think he was about the same age as Rodgers is now.

This is hands down one of the funniest posts ever typed on this or any forum. What a reference. I’m dying.

No really I’m old and dying because I’m old enough to have understood it.

Uhhh...my grandpa told me about it...

 

[Joe Bryant]

Getting voted Most Inspirational after blowing an Achilles on his fourth snap in a Jets uniform doesn't seem like much of an indication one way or the other, does it? Seems like a sympathy vote as much as anything.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So we end up with a self selecting data set that appears overwhelmingly positive.

Exactly.

Similar to a reporter asking Robert Saleh why his LB made a bone-headed play. Expecting Saleh to say something negative would be like dressing for a blizzard in the Sahara.

That doesn’t mean Saleh doesn’t think it was a bone-headed play, and certainly doesn’t prove it.