QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (2 Viewers)

[eighsse2]

Do all the people making a mountain out of a mole hill for Rodgers missing minicamp last year put the same energy towards Lamb, Aiyuk, Higgins and Cooper missing it as well last year? Do you consider their ability to be team leaders or inspirational lessened? Do you think their teammates are stewing over them missing and don't view them the same any longer?

The above missed due to wanting contract extensions. That happens all the time.

Rodgers missed because he wanted to take a vacation. That does not happen all the time.

Is one worse than the other?

Much worse. Players hold out for contract reasons every single year. Rodgers missed to take a vacation.

I really don't understand how you or anyone else can't see the difference.

I've never heard of this "less common = worse" rule in any area of life.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I've never heard of this "less common = worse" rule in any area of life.

• In developed nations, tooth decay is less common.


Jokes aside, I think the “skipped camp to go on vacation” is indeed being blown out of proportion.

I put more weight on other aspects.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

And maybe it shouldn’t matter, but I tend to judge QBs a bit differently since they’re “leadership”.

Not just leadership but also the most important position on the field.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And maybe it shouldn’t matter, but I tend to judge QBs a bit differently since they’re “leadership”.

Not just leadership but also the most important position on the field.

Right. Like any other position can be missing. You can drive a car that’s missing a door. You could, technically, even drive a car missing a tire, though not well.

You cannot drive a car that’s missing an engine.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

And maybe it shouldn’t matter, but I tend to judge QBs a bit differently since they’re “leadership”.

Not just leadership but also the most important position on the field.

Right. Like any other position can be missing. You can drive a car that’s missing a door. You could, technically, even drive a car missing a tire, though not well.

You cannot drive a car that’s missing an engine.

Fred Flintstone could.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Fred Flintstone could.

You’re just moving the goalposts.

 

[ChiefD]

This thread is weird.

 

[cdclopper]

This thread is weird.

Quit trolling

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This thread is weird.

First day here?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Back on topic

Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin said Aaron Rodgers’ availability will not affect the team’s draft strategy.
In a joint press conference Tuesday morning, Tomlin dismissed questions about Rodgers potentially signing with the Steelers if he feels like playing football in 2025 and general manager Omar Khan said the team, as usual, will carry four quarterbacks into offseason workouts. “All options are on the table to acquire those last two [quarterbacks],” Khan said, opening the possibility of the Steelers selecting a quarterback in the first round of the draft. With Shedeur Sanders likely to fall well outside the top ten picks, Pittsburgh could be a good fit, unless they intend to go into 2025 with Mason Rudolph as the team’s unquestioned Week 1 starter.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Sorry, can you quote anyone saying the meaning behind the Dennis Byrd Award was trivial or that “players and coaches see it as trivial”?

I can’t seem to find that anywhere Joe.

Just for the sake of answering your question.

This kind of sentiment as hilarious seemed odd to me and trivializing the award.

Getting voted Most Inspirational after blowing an Achilles on his fourth snap in a Jets uniform doesn't seem like much of an indication one way or the other, does it? Seems like a sympathy vote as much as anything. Kinda like Henry Fonda getting the Oscar for On Golden Pond. I think he was about the same age as Rodgers is now.

As I and others have said, would much prefer to move on and drop that line as it's clearly not productive. Thanks.

 

[Joe Bryant]

This thread is weird.

Agreed. And apologies for what I did to contribute to the weirdness. Lesson learned.

 

[Joe Bryant]

On the bright side, it’s possible Rodgers will be more mobile another year removed from the injury.

I do wonder about that. It's so wild now that players even return at all from that injury. I'm not sure there's a lot of track record there to go on for what to expect in year 2.

Would be great if we could see some workout video or something. I'm not sure what all he did with Pittsburgh.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I think he still wants to be a Viking, and he is waiting to see if that can materialize before deciding on where he wants to play.

And I’d like to be the king of England. But they already have one. So it’s very similar to the Vikings situation.

How are your teeth? If you have good teeth, you’re automatically disqualified.

 

[BassNBrew]

Do all the people making a mountain out of a mole hill for Rodgers missing minicamp last year put the same energy towards Lamb, Aiyuk, Higgins and Cooper missing it as well last year? Do you consider their ability to be team leaders or inspirational lessened? Do you think their teammates are stewing over them missing and don't view them the same any longer?

The above missed due to wanting contract extensions. That happens all the time.

Rodgers missed because he wanted to take a vacation. That does not happen all the time.

Sorry but that's moving the goalpost.

I’m kinda with @Zeppelin here - I don’t see holding out for a contract & f’ing off to another country because you want a vacation as synonymous. The contract guys don’t want to risk injury playing for less than they’re worth.

And maybe it shouldn’t matter, but I tend to judge QBs a bit differently since they’re “leadership”.

Well you are entitled to your opinion but in the context of missing camp diminishing your ability to lead the team I don't see any difference and think both of your opinions are selective bias.

I agree with them. Big difference between being in a contract dispute and going on vacation during work after signing a contract.

You taking a vacation in fall is one thing. Your organization hiring a guy to start September 1 and then they tell you on September 2 they are taking the next two weeks off is quite another.

 

[RC94]

On the bright side, it’s possible Rodgers will be more mobile another year removed from the injury.

I do wonder about that. It's so wild now that players even return at all from that injury. I'm not sure there's a lot of track record there to go on for what to expect in year 2.

Would be great if we could see some workout video or something. I'm not sure what all he did with Pittsburgh.

I think it's safe to say that he will be more mobile than he was last year since he's further removed from the injury, but he's old and still won't be considered "mobile" in general, especially compared to the kids these days.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think it's safe to say that he will be more mobile than he was last year since he's further removed from the injury, but he's old and still won't be considered "mobile" in general, especially compared to the kids these days.

Agreed @RC94. It makes sense he'd be more mobile. I just wonder how much more. And of course, as you say, he'll be a little less mobile just with another year of age.

I think at his age, I think if he plays again it'll be mostly where he leans on his mental side and experience and arm talent.

 

[jumper]

I think it's safe to say that he will be more mobile than he was last year since he's further removed from the injury, but he's old and still won't be considered "mobile" in general, especially compared to the kids these days.

Agreed @RC94. It makes sense he'd be more mobile. I just wonder how much more. And of course, as you say, he'll be a little less mobile just with another year of age.

I think at his age, I think if he plays again it'll be mostly where he leans on his mental side and experience and arm talent.

Worst case is the last season of PFM where the guy was barely functional. Best case is maybe Flacco on the 2023 Browns? I think Bucs era Brady level performance is basically a pipe dream.

If he signs with the Steelers they’ll expect him to be a game manager with upside who does what he’s told and doesn’t freelance and call audibles every play. He will be mentally checked out by week 3.

 

[Joe Bryant]

If he signs with the Steelers they’ll expect him to be a game manager with upside who does what he’s told and doesn’t freelance and call audibles every play. He will be mentally checked out by week 3.

That's a fair concern. I would hope a guy like Tomlin would be smart enough to understand who Rodgers is and not try to box him up when that's not best for him or the team. But there's a long list of coaches who think they can change a player.

Or the alternative that Tomlin and Smith let him cook.

I'm not sure which path they'd take.

 

[Chaka]

Do all the people making a mountain out of a mole hill for Rodgers missing minicamp last year put the same energy towards Lamb, Aiyuk, Higgins and Cooper missing it as well last year? Do you consider their ability to be team leaders or inspirational lessened? Do you think their teammates are stewing over them missing and don't view them the same any longer?

I think context matters. Rodgers wasn't angling for a new contract, I will never begrudge a player trying to make as much money as possible.

Rodgers went on vacation knowing months in advance when mandatory mini camp was scheduled. It would have been very easy to plan his vacation some.other time. Even during voluntary mini camp. But he didn't do that.

That isn't even the real issue. The issue is, when asked about missing mandatory camp for a vacation he lied and said the team excused him. That was a lie and it isn't up for debate. The Jets said he wasn't excused, then tried to put the toothpaste back in that tube later. Presumably because they didn't want to offend their delicate genius QB.

It's another example of him, at this stage in his career, failing to take responsibility for his actions. When doing so would have been so easy.

I don't begrudge him a vacation, even if he could have taken that vacation any time not during a mandatory mini camp. But the lying about it is a huge red flag and speaks I'll of his character.

I don't think he was always like this but, maybe he was and his MVP caliber play sports washed it.

 

[Chaka]

Also I'd argue, quite strongly, that being 8 months from achilles surgery would be a more valid reason to miss minicamp then a contract holdout.

Why? The injury doesn't prevent him from sitting in on the offense install meetings or being on the trainers table.

And let's be clear it was a mandatory mini camp. That also matters in this context.

Most importantly is he didn't need to lie about it.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Do all the people making a mountain out of a mole hill for Rodgers missing minicamp last year put the same energy towards Lamb, Aiyuk, Higgins and Cooper missing it as well last year? Do you consider their ability to be team leaders or inspirational lessened? Do you think their teammates are stewing over them missing and don't view them the same any longer?

I think context matters. Rodgers wasn't angling for a new contract, I will never begrudge a player trying to make as much money as possible.

Rodgers went on vacation knowing months in advance when mandatory mini camp was scheduled. It would have been very easy to plan his vacation some.other time. Even during voluntary mini camp. But he didn't do that.

That isn't even the real issue. The issue is, when asked about missing mandatory camp for a vacation he lied and said the team excused him. That was a lie and it isn't up for debate. The Jets said he wasn't excused, then tried to put the toothpaste back in that tube later. Presumably because they didn't want to offend their delicate genius QB.

It's another example of him, at this stage in his career, failing to take responsibility for his actions. When doing so would have been so easy.

I don't begrudge him a vacation, even if he could have taken that vacation any time not during a mandatory mini camp. But the lying about it is a huge red flag and speaks I'll of his character.

I don't think he was always like this but, maybe he was and his MVP caliber play sports washed it.

I actually think the 'Egypt' experience might be why he is still a free agent. Maybe not that wholly, but at the end of the day, Rodgershas but one season not in a GB uniform 'playing' but had two off-seasons to work with Wilson and the existing personnel. And it just never clicked.

So why commit to an off-season of work when he can make his own hours thru July? Is there a risk they draft a QB in Round 1? Maybe...but any QB they get, it can be justified to sit them if/when Rodgers say "let's go".

 

[cdclopper]

How do you know he could "easily reschedule" his trip to Egypt. And who exactly did he lie about it to, some reporter? Is he being held accountable by members of the media and posters of the shark pool now? For real, thats ridiculous. He's accountable to his employer, not us. He owes us nothing, not even honesty.

 

[ChiefD]

This thread is weird.

Agreed. And apologies for what I did to contribute to the weirdness. Lesson learned.

Heck, no need to apologize. I think the weirdness of this thread stems from the topic at hand we are all discussing.

Rodgers just invites it.

 

[Joe Bryant]

This thread is weird.

Agreed. And apologies for what I did to contribute to the weirdness. Lesson learned.

Heck, no need to apologize. I think the weirdness of this thread stems from the topic at hand we are all discussing.

Rodgers just invites it.

Thanks. But no, I contributed to it. When we have long time posters feeling the way I clearly have made them feel and post here, that's a problem.

 

[Joe Bryant]

@massraider

Hey @Hot Sauce Guy I hope you learned a valuable lesson here about giving a thoughtful and thorough answer to a question.

And before the inevitable, thanks, that's fascinating, whatever do you mean? question, here's my answer:

He laid out points for exactly why he thought it was trolling, none of which are shocking. What did he get? Ignore every point, and condescendingly explain that not everyone who disagrees is trolling.

Which is not what he said, is it? Like the original posts he was referring to, it's opinion assigned to people.

This entire routine--everyone who has a bad word to say Rodgers is not thinking clearly, they are blinded by hate that has nothing to do with football, and only a few of us free thinkers are able to objectively evaluate him--is unbelievably smug.

Sorry, what's that? No one actually said the above statement? Am I assigning a position to people?

Apologies, that must be annoying.

@Hot Sauce Guy

And they wonder why so many good contributors have left this site. It’s a ****ing mystery I tell ya!

First, thanks for the posts above. If I'm being honest, as someone who tries too much to please, they're hard to hear. But necessary. I may not agree with them. But what I think doesn't matter. If these folks have these opinions, I've done something wrong.

I have people tell me I'm dumb for paying to host a forum and allowing posts like that. I have the opposite thought in I think it's the right way to do business. At the risk of being way too dramatic, it's a little like allowing folks to burn a flag. One should always be allowed to state how they feel about things. Whether it's a government or something as trivial as how a fantasy football site is run.

Clearly, I have been wrong in how I contributed to the thread. I apologize and stand corrected.

My job is to create a forum and community where people can have fun discussing fantasy football. I've obviously been missing the mark there and I apologize.

Let's get back on track in creating and continuing a strong community.

I'll post a new thread with this and we can talk more on it there. Thanks and let's keep building this thing.

 

[Football Jones]

I’ve been going back and forth on what I think Rodgers will do, but if he goes to Pittsburgh, he at least has the potential to excel.

Their OC bugs me, but if the OL holds up, ol’ A-Rod could really surprise. It’s going to be a lot of fun if he balls out, lol.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Do you folks expect we'll see any moves with Rodgers before the draft?

I kind of think no.

Seems like teams will see how the draft unfolds and then evaluate. But on the other hand, I can see how a team like Pittsburgh would want to know before they enter the draft.

What do y'all think?

 

[Chaka]

Nah. Rodgers is waiting to see what Pittsburgh does. My guess is if the Steelers draft Shedeur, Rodgers will stay on the sidelines waiting for a QB injury.

You should probably stop reading right here JB.

And Rodgers will then go on McAfee and make some disparaging comment about the Steelers choosing to "downgrade" at QB or that they clearly don't want to "win now" or something along those lines. Then he will try to suggest that he never said those things and say people are attacking him for no reason, when they are just asking questions about his comments. Then he will complain about how everyone wants to talk about him when he is just "minding his business", while also digging up all of his past grievances with an elephant like memory for every perceived slight over the last 20 years.

Rinse, repeat.

 

[Chaka]

Yes, I am not a fan of Rodgers.

Yes, part of that is because I don't like how he carries himself off the field.

Yes, I truly believe he is a needless distraction on the field and the diminished talent doesn't warrant the investment.

Yes, I think it would be awesome, and hilarious if he lands somewhere this season and wins a Super Bowl.

Yes, I encourage you to remind me regularly about how wrong I was.

Yes, I will still say I was right (even though we all will know I wasn't).

AMERICA!!!

 

[BoltNlava]

It looks like Rodgers is waiting to see what the Steelers do in the draft. If they skip at qb in the first, then he will have top billing and more of the power he SEEMS to crave.

 

[Football Jones]

Do you folks expect we'll see any moves with Rodgers before the draft?

I kind of think no.

Seems like teams will see how the draft unfolds and then evaluate. But on the other hand, I can see how a team like Pittsburgh would want to know before they enter the draft.

What do y'all think?

Pittsburgh is in a tough spot. We'd know a lot more if we could look at their board.

Do they truly like Sanders, Dart, or Milroe? If not, they have to be feeling uneasy about the QB position with A-Rod in limbo.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Do you folks expect we'll see any moves with Rodgers before the draft?

I kind of think no.

Seems like teams will see how the draft unfolds and then evaluate. But on the other hand, I can see how a team like Pittsburgh would want to know before they enter the draft.

What do y'all think?

Pittsburgh is in a tough spot. We'd know a lot more if we could look at their board.

Do they truly like Sanders, Dart, or Milroe? If not, they have to be feeling uneasy about the QB position with A-Rod in limbo.

Yes. That's the million dollar (or multimillion dollar question).

Unless there is some sort of secret agreement, I'd say the Steelers are operating as if Rodgers will not be on the team. That's the smart way to move through the draft I'd think.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

What a way to end your legacy, right?

Some players fade quietly into the sunset and others keep us held onto any idea of them returning back to whatever form we believe is in the realm of outcomes for Rodgers.

Meanwhile, Dallas fans are just hoping Pittsburgh calls us at #12 when Shedeur Sanders is sitting there inquiring about a trade. George Pickens + Pick 21 for Pick 12. Make it happen.

 

[C & C]

Do you folks expect we'll see any moves with Rodgers before the draft?

I kind of think no.

Seems like teams will see how the draft unfolds and then evaluate. But on the other hand, I can see how a team like Pittsburgh would want to know before they enter the draft.

What do y'all think?

Pittsburgh is in a tough spot. We'd know a lot more if we could look at their board.

Do they truly like Sanders, Dart, or Milroe? If not, they have to be feeling uneasy about the QB position with A-Rod in limbo.

Yes. That's the million dollar (or multimillion dollar question).

Unless there is some sort of secret agreement, I'd say the Steelers are operating as if Rodgers will not be on the team. That's the smart way to move through the draft I'd think.

Bingo on the secret agreement...of sorts. I'm of the opinion, the Steelers want Rodgers, Rodgers wants to play for the Steelers. I think they've both agreed in general with the understanding stuff happens fast and either the team or Rodgers could walk away from the handshake agreement. Maybe I'm naive, but I give Rodgers the benefit of the doubt that he has stuff going on and can't fully commit right now. The Steelers know Rodgers gives them their best opportunity for this season so they'll leave the door open while exploring all options. Lastly, I believe the Steelers draft plans are not impacted by any of this with Rodgers. They need a QB for the future, they don't think a QB they draft at 21 would be ready for this season. And while not ideal, they're willing to roll with Rudolph if nothing else comes to fruition.

 

[Chaka]

I wonder if, at some point, the Steelers pivot to Cousins. The Falcons seem willing to eat, IIRC, $17.5 million of his contract this season.

 

[Football Jones]

Do you folks expect we'll see any moves with Rodgers before the draft?

I kind of think no.

Seems like teams will see how the draft unfolds and then evaluate. But on the other hand, I can see how a team like Pittsburgh would want to know before they enter the draft.

What do y'all think?

Pittsburgh is in a tough spot. We'd know a lot more if we could look at their board.

Do they truly like Sanders, Dart, or Milroe? If not, they have to be feeling uneasy about the QB position with A-Rod in limbo.

Yes. That's the million dollar (or multimillion dollar question).

Unless there is some sort of secret agreement, I'd say the Steelers are operating as if Rodgers will not be on the team. That's the smart way to move through the draft I'd think.

Bingo on the secret agreement...of sorts. I'm of the opinion, the Steelers want Rodgers, Rodgers wants to play for the Steelers. I think they've both agreed in general with the understanding stuff happens fast and either the team or Rodgers could walk away from the handshake agreement. Maybe I'm naive, but I give Rodgers the benefit of the doubt that he has stuff going on and can't fully commit right now. The Steelers know Rodgers gives them their best opportunity for this season so they'll leave the door open while exploring all options. Lastly, I believe the Steelers draft plans are not impacted by any of this with Rodgers. They need a QB for the future, they don't think a QB they draft at 21 would be ready for this season. And while not ideal, they're willing to roll with Rudolph if nothing else comes to fruition.

Rodgers did mention he's got some personal issues or something going on in a recent interview (if I recall correctly). Because A-Rod is a polarizing figure, what he says tends to get dismissed. Maybe he's got something going on in his personal life...who knows. Could that be partly the reason he hasn't committed to anyone?

I believe it's more likely he's simply waiting out his hand, but it's possible there's outside complications.

 

[Football Jones]

I wonder if, at some point, the Steelers pivot to Cousins. The Falcons seem willing to eat, IIRC, $17.5 million of his contract this season.

A definite possibility. I'll be absolutely shocked if they go into the season with Rudolph as their starter.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Do you folks expect we'll see any moves with Rodgers before the draft?

I kind of think no.

Seems like teams will see how the draft unfolds and then evaluate. But on the other hand, I can see how a team like Pittsburgh would want to know before they enter the draft.

What do y'all think?

Pittsburgh is in a tough spot. We'd know a lot more if we could look at their board.

Do they truly like Sanders, Dart, or Milroe? If not, they have to be feeling uneasy about the QB position with A-Rod in limbo.

Yes. That's the million dollar (or multimillion dollar question).

Unless there is some sort of secret agreement, I'd say the Steelers are operating as if Rodgers will not be on the team. That's the smart way to move through the draft I'd think.

Bingo on the secret agreement...of sorts. I'm of the opinion, the Steelers want Rodgers, Rodgers wants to play for the Steelers. I think they've both agreed in general with the understanding stuff happens fast and either the team or Rodgers could walk away from the handshake agreement. Maybe I'm naive, but I give Rodgers the benefit of the doubt that he has stuff going on and can't fully commit right now. The Steelers know Rodgers gives them their best opportunity for this season so they'll leave the door open while exploring all options. Lastly, I believe the Steelers draft plans are not impacted by any of this with Rodgers. They need a QB for the future, they don't think a QB they draft at 21 would be ready for this season. And while not ideal, they're willing to roll with Rudolph if nothing else comes to fruition.

Rodgers did mention he's got some personal issues or something going on in a recent interview (if I recall correctly). Because A-Rod is a polarizing figure, what he says tends to get dismissed. Maybe he's got something going on in his personal life...who knows. Could that be partly the reason he hasn't committed to anyone?

I believe it's more likely he's simply waiting out his hand, but it's possible there's outside complications.

From the video interview he referenced someone in his inner circle having something serious going on.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I wonder if, at some point, the Steelers pivot to Cousins. The Falcons seem willing to eat, IIRC, $17.5 million of his contract this season.

It's already being "teased" that they have interest. No idea of the veracity of the reporting source, but it's out there.

No idea why they'd want to touch that guy if he were given to them for free. At this point, he's probably the only currently active NFL QB who has his own statue...and it's his actual body.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I wonder if, at some point, the Steelers pivot to Cousins. The Falcons seem willing to eat, IIRC, $17.5 million of his contract this season.

That was my thought this morning when I’d read who Cousins’ suitors were.

One listed was MIN, but I’m skeptical Cousins wants to go hold another rookie’s clipboard, colloquially speaking.

It would be wild to see Cousins dealt to PIT. That would just about force ARod into retirement (or into purgatory waiting for an injury in an otherwise good situation)

That said, cousins contract is $45M, which i’m pretty sure the Steelers would rather avoid (I’d expect ATL to eat some of it). ARod has said he’s going to take ~$10M (which some have been skeptical about) but whatever the real numbers are it’s probably true that Cousins would cost more than ARod?

If that’s true, and the Steelers trade for Cousins, that’s probably all we need to know about what the league believes ARod is worth.

 

[Chaka]

I wonder if, at some point, the Steelers pivot to Cousins. The Falcons seem willing to eat, IIRC, $17.5 million of his contract this season.

That was my thought this morning when I’d read who Cousins’ suitors were.

One listed was MIN, but I’m skeptical Cousins wants to go hold another rookie’s clipboard, colloquially speaking.

It would be wild to see Cousins dealt to PIT. That would just about force ARod into retirement (or into purgatory waiting for an injury in an otherwise good situation)

That said, cousins contract is $45M, which i’m pretty sure the Steelers would rather avoid (I’d expect ATL to eat some of it). ARod has said he’s going to take ~$10M (which some have been skeptical about) but whatever the real numbers are it’s probably true that Cousins would cost more than ARod?

If that’s true, and the Steelers trade for Cousins, that’s probably all we need to know about what the league believes ARod is worth.

All credit to him if he actually does.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

All credit to him if he actually does.

IIRC some were skeptical of that claim.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I can't see a reason anything will get done before the draft. Both Rodgers and prospective teams will wait until that landscape is settled before something happens.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I can't see a reason anything will get done before the draft. Both Rodgers and prospective teams will wait until that landscape is settled before something happens.

Agreed.

 

[Joe Bryant]

What a way to end your legacy, right?

Some players fade quietly into the sunset and others keep us held onto any idea of them returning back to whatever form we believe is in the realm of outcomes for Rodgers.

I obviously have no special insight but it seems to me his legacy is rock solid secure. I could see maybe not wanting to retire after the injury. But coming back from major injury that quickly and posting the 8th most passing yards in the league securely stamped the book for toughness and resilience there.

My guess, and it's purely a guess, is he'd be entirely comfortable starting the countdown clock to Canton right now. But we'll see.

 

[nittanylion]

Do you folks expect we'll see any moves with Rodgers before the draft?

I kind of think no.

Seems like teams will see how the draft unfolds and then evaluate. But on the other hand, I can see how a team like Pittsburgh would want to know before they enter the draft.

What do y'all think?

Pittsburgh is in a tough spot. We'd know a lot more if we could look at their board.

Do they truly like Sanders, Dart, or Milroe? If not, they have to be feeling uneasy about the QB position with A-Rod in limbo.

@Leeroy Jenkins

 

[CletiusMaximus]

What a way to end your legacy, right?

Some players fade quietly into the sunset and others keep us held onto any idea of them returning back to whatever form we believe is in the realm of outcomes for Rodgers.

I obviously have no special insight but it seems to me his legacy is rock solid secure. I could see maybe not wanting to retire after the injury. But coming back from major injury that quickly and posting the 8th most passing yards in the league securely stamped the book for toughness and resilience there.

My guess, and it's purely a guess, is he'd be entirely comfortable starting the countdown clock to Canton right now. But we'll see.

This makes sense to all of us normies but one thing we've learned over the years is these guys are wired completely differently than the 99.9% of normal humans. He must know he'll never touch Brady but I bet he'd love to prove he can still win a championship in his 40s like Brady did. Favre was 41 when he took the Vikings to the NFC championship and very nearly got another Superbowl. Rodgers is keenly aware of these things. Going back to that memorable draft night with those painful images of Rodgers waiting in the green room and how he reacted to that experience and throughout his career in Green Bay, this guy is driven above all else by an obsession with proving his doubters wrong. He did it again in his first season with the Jets when he maintained he was going to come back from a torn Achilles and play that sesaon. He even started practicing and came off IR in late December before the Jets shut him down after being eliminated from playoff contention. He may retire of course, but I expect his goal is to play again.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

What a way to end your legacy, right?

Some players fade quietly into the sunset and others keep us held onto any idea of them returning back to whatever form we believe is in the realm of outcomes for Rodgers.

I obviously have no special insight but it seems to me his legacy is rock solid secure. I could see maybe not wanting to retire after the injury. But coming back from major injury that quickly and posting the 8th most passing yards in the league securely stamped the book for toughness and resilience there.

My guess, and it's purely a guess, is he'd be entirely comfortable starting the countdown clock to Canton right now. But we'll see.

Well, he's definitely not shackled to football but I, and many Jets fans, would argue his experiment with the Jets was a failed one and he never really returned to relevance.

His stats are his but... I don't think he looked like Rodgers in a Jets uni. It's difficult to see guys like this, 1st ballot HOF, vying for a starting spot in the league and bouncing from team to team. Personally, hard to not double down on the bad decision and reclaim your spot like Favre did for one last glorious run to an conference championship game to keep it all intact.

His last two years probably don't do anything to legacy but there is some recency bias that will be difficult to turn away from. I think he sucked as a Jet. I think the optics are terrible from Hackett hire, Cobb, Lazard, Adams (as WRs), Saleh getting fired... what a PR dumpster fire.

But yeah, we will always remember the MVP seasons and SB championship in Green Bay.

 

[Joe Bryant]

But yeah, we will always remember the MVP seasons and SB championship in Green Bay.

Yes. I think he's pretty secure in that.

Will be interesting to see.