QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (4 Viewers)

[Joe Bryant]

What a way to end your legacy, right?

Some players fade quietly into the sunset and others keep us held onto any idea of them returning back to whatever form we believe is in the realm of outcomes for Rodgers.

I obviously have no special insight but it seems to me his legacy is rock solid secure. I could see maybe not wanting to retire after the injury. But coming back from major injury that quickly and posting the 8th most passing yards in the league securely stamped the book for toughness and resilience there.

My guess, and it's purely a guess, is he'd be entirely comfortable starting the countdown clock to Canton right now. But we'll see.

This makes sense to all of us normies but one thing we've learned over the years is these guys are wired completely differently than the 99.9% of normal humans. He must know he'll never touch Brady but I bet he'd love to prove he can still win a championship in his 40s like Brady did. Favre was 41 when he took the Vikings to the NFC championship and very nearly got another Superbowl. Rodgers is keenly aware of these things. Going back to that memorable draft night with those painful images of Rodgers waiting in the green room and how he reacted to that experience and throughout his career in Green Bay, this guy is driven above all else by an obsession with proving his doubters wrong. He did it again in his first season with the Jets when he maintained he was going to come back from a torn Achilles and play that sesaon. He even started practicing and came off IR in late December before the Jets shut him down after being eliminated from playoff contention. He may retire of course, but I expect his goal is to play again.

Absolutely can see that side as well.

 

[menobrown]

What a way to end your legacy, right?

Some players fade quietly into the sunset and others keep us held onto any idea of them returning back to whatever form we believe is in the realm of outcomes for Rodgers.

I obviously have no special insight but it seems to me his legacy is rock solid secure. I could see maybe not wanting to retire after the injury. But coming back from major injury that quickly and posting the 8th most passing yards in the league securely stamped the book for toughness and resilience there.

My guess, and it's purely a guess, is he'd be entirely comfortable starting the countdown clock to Canton right now. But we'll see.

This makes sense to all of us normies but one thing we've learned over the years is these guys are wired completely differently than the 99.9% of normal humans. He must know he'll never touch Brady but I bet he'd love to prove he can still win a championship in his 40s like Brady did. Favre was 41 when he took the Vikings to the NFC championship and very nearly got another Superbowl. Rodgers is keenly aware of these things. Going back to that memorable draft night with those painful images of Rodgers waiting in the green room and how he reacted to that experience and throughout his career in Green Bay, this guy is driven above all else by an obsession with proving his doubters wrong. He did it again in his first season with the Jets when he maintained he was going to come back from a torn Achilles and play that sesaon. He even started practicing and came off IR in late December before the Jets shut him down after being eliminated from playoff contention. He may retire of course, but I expect his goal is to play again.

Agree with this sentiment but a development happened a few weeks ago which made me reconsider if he's ready to commit to a team anytime soon. Tbh I've been assuming he and the Steelers had an understanding, and they might, but this development made me reconsider.

And that development is of all things Lazard restructuring his deal with the Jets. I know that may sound odd but I feel like Lazard would have reached out to Rodgers before he took that pay cut to ask where was Rodgers at, as he's basically the only viable Rodgers guy that the Steelers could bring in and he actually makes sense for them. I just get this feeling he reached out, Rodgers basically told him what he told all of us on the McAffee show, that he was not ready to commit and Lazard had to move on and take the Jets offer.

I still think Rodgers will come around, but again may not be anytime soon.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Do you folks expect we'll see any moves with Rodgers before the draft?

I kind of think no.

Seems like teams will see how the draft unfolds and then evaluate. But on the other hand, I can see how a team like Pittsburgh would want to know before they enter the draft.

What do y'all think?

Pittsburgh is in a tough spot. We'd know a lot more if we could look at their board.

Do they truly like Sanders, Dart, or Milroe? If not, they have to be feeling uneasy about the QB position with A-Rod in limbo.

@Leeroy Jenkins

Hear only qb they have a first round grade on is Ward. Shough or Howard possibly but apparently valued more like 4th round than third so may not be there.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I'm seeing some sentiment that last night was a 'win' for Aaron Rodgers. Wondering what others think. I guess the Steelers and others passing on Sanders is seen as a positive for Rodgers' leverage?

 

[Joe Bryant]

I'm seeing some sentiment that last night was a 'win' for Aaron Rodgers. Wondering what others think. I guess the Steelers and others passing on Sanders is seen as a positive for Rodgers' leverage?

I see it not really as a win but that he didn't get negative news there. If the Steelers had drafted a QB in the first round, that would have been a negative for Rodgers to PIT I'd assume.

Not drafting one, leaves him about where he was Thursday morning.

Although they could surely do something today.

 

[eighsse2]

I'm seeing some sentiment that last night was a 'win' for Aaron Rodgers. Wondering what others think. I guess the Steelers and others passing on Sanders is seen as a positive for Rodgers' leverage?

I would say it's at least a positive toward the probability that the Steelers and Rodgers have a pretty solid grip on a deal (nothing is sure until it happens, but some have speculated that they both currently expect to make a deal, just haven't done it yet).

 

[menobrown]

I'm seeing some sentiment that last night was a 'win' for Aaron Rodgers. Wondering what others think. I guess the Steelers and others passing on Sanders is seen as a positive for Rodgers' leverage?

I see it not really as a win but that he didn't get negative news there. If the Steelers had drafted a QB in the first round, that would have been a negative for Rodgers to PIT I'd assume.

Not drafting one, leaves him about where he was Thursday morning.

Although they could surely do something today.

Posted this in the Steelers thread but Josina Anderson reported that Steelers requested Rodgers give them an answer 48 hours before the draft. Per her he did, obviously if true no one is revealing that answer yet.

 

[Mitchie]

I'm seeing some sentiment that last night was a 'win' for Aaron Rodgers. Wondering what others think. I guess the Steelers and others passing on Sanders is seen as a positive for Rodgers' leverage?

I see it not really as a win but that he didn't get negative news there. If the Steelers had drafted a QB in the first round, that would have been a negative for Rodgers to PIT I'd assume.

Not drafting one, leaves him about where he was Thursday morning.

Although they could surely do something today.

Posted this in the Steelers thread but Josina Anderson reported that Steelers requested Rodgers give them an answer 48 hours before the draft. Per her he did, obviously if true no one is revealing that answer yet.

The answer was maybe.

 

[sm8680]

Hoping the narcissist retires. Then we can retire this thread.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

I'm seeing some sentiment that last night was a 'win' for Aaron Rodgers. Wondering what others think. I guess the Steelers and others passing on Sanders is seen as a positive for Rodgers' leverage?

I think this points more towards Rodgers signing with them than not. With no second round pick and what they have in house they're going to need help. Rodgers might not have liked the idea of a young gun breathing down his neck and being the unquestioned starter seems like something he'd appreciate.

 

[Football Jones]

I'm seeing some sentiment that last night was a 'win' for Aaron Rodgers. Wondering what others think. I guess the Steelers and others passing on Sanders is seen as a positive for Rodgers' leverage?

Absolutely. Rodgers garners enough attention by his mere presence that not having a top QB prospect around to muddy the waters is a good thing.

The Steelers have to be anxious about the QB position unless there's something we don't know. If they come out of day-2 without Sanders, Milroe, or Shough, then it's either Rodgers, Cousins, or Rudolph (and I can't imagine them going with Rudolph).

 

[Chaka]

Hoping the narcissist retires. Then we can retire this thread.

Virtually all football players have narcissistic tendencies.

And you will miss him when he's gone.

 

[Chaka]

Watching the draft unfold, and the off season surrounding Shedeur in general, I can better understand why Rodgers took a wait and see approach with the Steelers.

NFL teams are clearly hesitant to deal with the inevitable media circus that will follow Sanders to the NFL. I can't really blame Rodgers for not wanting to deal with that during his swan song season(s).

 

[timschochet]

seems to me like Steelers is extremely likely at this point…

 

[Faust]

How Aaron Rodgers influenced the Steelers' draft strategy

 

[eighsse2]

seems to me like Steelers is extremely likely at this point…

Aaron Rodgers next team?

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Seems like a lot of people agree.

 

[Anarchy99]

Rodgers has already made $380 million over his career just counting his football money and an estimated $100 million in endorsements. He can't be haggling over money, can he? I thought he said he would play for $10 million.

 

[The Kerminator]

Rodgers has already made $380 million over his career just counting his football money and an estimated $100 million in endorsements. He can't be haggling over money, can he? I thought he said he would play for $10 million.

At this point, does anyone believe what Rodgers says?

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

Rodgers has already made $380 million over his career just counting his football money and an estimated $100 million in endorsements. He can't be haggling over money, can he? I thought he said he would play for $10 million.

At this point, does anyone believe what Rodgers says?

I'm a fan for life from his years in Green Bay, but he's far to wishy washy to trust anything he's saying about his future or what he wants. Schrager reported yesterday that's he's told teams not to wait on him if his timetable doesn't work for them. To me that sounds like a guy that isn't fully committed to playing in 2025. If i were a team seriously looking at him I'd be moving on to plan B, maybe that's a trade for Cousins.

That said i still think he signs with the Steelers.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Rodgers has already made $380 million over his career just counting his football money and an estimated $100 million in endorsements. He can't be haggling over money, can he? I thought he said he would play for $10 million.

He COULD be haggling, but I dont think it's the money.

I think he is likely still contemplating if he wants to wait out what he feels is a better shot at a title run. The Steelers just aint it. Not in a QB-stacked AFC.

Or, perhaps he's just not committing to avoid OTAs/etc and he will ultimately deign to play for Pittsburgh...if theyre good with him "showing up the 2nd week of camp after his medicine trip to Marakesh" if thats how long he wants to wait.

Regardless of the real reason, I doubt it's money.

 

[Kiddnets]

Rodgers has already made $380 million over his career just counting his football money and an estimated $100 million in endorsements. He can't be haggling over money, can he? I thought he said he would play for $10 million.

He COULD be haggling, but I dont think it's the money.

I think he is likely still contemplating if he wants to wait out what he feels is a better shot at a title run. The Steelers just aint it. Not in a QB-stacked AFC.

Or, perhaps he's just not committing to avoid OTAs/etc and he will ultimately deign to play for Pittsburgh...if theyre good with him "showing up the 2nd week of camp after his medicine trip to Marakesh" if thats how long he wants to wait.

Regardless of the real reason, I doubt it's money.

Favre showed up to the Jets in August if I recall - Rodgers seems to be following the playbook lol

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Rodgers has already made $380 million over his career just counting his football money and an estimated $100 million in endorsements. He can't be haggling over money, can he? I thought he said he would play for $10 million.

He COULD be haggling, but I dont think it's the money.

I think he is likely still contemplating if he wants to wait out what he feels is a better shot at a title run. The Steelers just aint it. Not in a QB-stacked AFC.

Or, perhaps he's just not committing to avoid OTAs/etc and he will ultimately deign to play for Pittsburgh...if theyre good with him "showing up the 2nd week of camp after his medicine trip to Marakesh" if thats how long he wants to wait.

Regardless of the real reason, I doubt it's money.

My guess us that it's more along these lines.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

It's also possible that Tomlin has made the mistake of calling Rodgers' mobile to contact him. All his friends know he has poor reception at home and only accepts facetime.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

It's also possible that Tomlin has made the mistake of calling Rodgers' mobile to contact him. All his friends know he has poor reception at home and only accepts facetime.

Facetime gets tricky in the darkness though. Maybe they should try carrier pigeons, they probably work better, if say you're deep in the jungle of Peru sipping on some of that shaman juice.

 

[Snoopy]

Rodgers has already made $380 million over his career just counting his football money and an estimated $100 million in endorsements. He can't be haggling over money, can he? I thought he said he would play for $10 million.

He COULD be haggling, but I dont think it's the money.

I think he is likely still contemplating if he wants to wait out what he feels is a better shot at a title run. The Steelers just aint it. Not in a QB-stacked AFC.

Or, perhaps he's just not committing to avoid OTAs/etc and he will ultimately deign to play for Pittsburgh...if theyre good with him "showing up the 2nd week of camp after his medicine trip to Marakesh" if thats how long he wants to wait.

Regardless of the real reason,

e Jets in August if I recall - Rodgers seems to be following the playbook lol

August was when they traded away Favre to the Jets.

Rodgers has already made $380 million over his career just counting his football money and an estimated $100 million in endorsements. He can't be haggling over money, can he? I thought he said he would play for $10 million.

He COULD be haggling, but I dont think it's the money.

I think he is likely still contemplating if he wants to wait out what he feels is a better shot at a title run. The Steelers just aint it. Not in a QB-stacked AFC.

Or, perhaps he's just not committing to avoid OTAs/etc and he will ultimately deign to play for Pittsburgh...if theyre good with him "showing up the 2nd week of camp after his medicine trip to Marakesh" if thats how long he wants to wait.

Regardless of the real reason, I doubt it's money.

Favre showed up to the Jets in August if I recall - Rodgers seems to be following the playbook lol

August 2008 was when Favre was traded to the Jets.

 

[Faust]

Like the Jets before them, the Steelers are making win-now moves to secure Aaron Rodgers

 

[fatness]

Allen Lazard is in play for the Steelers

Here we go again.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Allen Lazard is in play for the Steelers

Here we go again.

Hard to stray from a successful formula…

 

[Faust]

Robert Griffin III Makes His Feelings Clear on Aaron Rodgers to the Saints

 

[Chaka]

Robert Griffin III Makes His Feelings Clear on Aaron Rodgers to the Saints

At this point the Saints, or Steelers, would be better off signing RGIII.

 

[renesauz]

I don't even remotely understand why Pittsburgh would still want him. Doesn't even seem like a great fit IMO. Rogers is tarnishing his own legacy, and should simply retire now

 

[renesauz]

Rodgers has already made $380 million over his career just counting his football money and an estimated $100 million in endorsements. He can't be haggling over money, can he? I thought he said he would play for $10 million.

He COULD be haggling, but I dont think it's the money.

I think he is likely still contemplating if he wants to wait out what he feels is a better shot at a title run. The Steelers just aint it. Not in a QB-stacked AFC.

Or, perhaps he's just not committing to avoid OTAs/etc and he will ultimately deign to play for Pittsburgh...if theyre good with him "showing up the 2nd week of camp after his medicine trip to Marakesh" if thats how long he wants to wait.

Regardless of the real reason, I doubt it's money.

My guess us that it's more along these lines.

It's also the reason Tomlin and the Steelers should pull the plug now. Rogers is a me first QB who got away with it in his prime.

He's not in his prime

 

[RandyDB]

At this point, the Steelers should just ghost him.

 

[Mitchie]

Wouldn't think the Saints would even want Rodgers. Seems like a tank year.

Archie.

Archie is 75, his best days are likely behind him, unless you're suggesting they sign him for this year so they can tank for Arch for next year, that could work.

 

[Faust]

Jeremy Fowler
#Steelers president Art Rooney II -- who said April 1 that the Steelers will wait "not forever, but a little while longer" for Aaron Rodgers -- delivered a similar line on his way out of Wednesday's owners meetings.

“A little while longer. I’ll say the same thing," he said.

https://x.com/jfowlerespn/status/1925595976158310649?s=61

 

[FarFromHome]

Rodgers on Rogan yesterday. Haven't listened. Joe's my drive to work listen so I will.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Jeremy Fowler
#Steelers president Art Rooney II -- who said April 1 that the Steelers will wait "not forever, but a little while longer" for Aaron Rodgers -- delivered a similar line on his way out of Wednesday's owners meetings.

“A little while longer. I’ll say the same thing," he said.

https://x.com/jfowlerespn/status/1925595976158310649?s=61

I would think they have a backup plan unless they plan to lose and then get their guy next season.

 

[cdclopper]

Somebody I know said he saw Aaron signing up for a Giant Eagle card last week. Take what you will from this information.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Somebody I know said he saw Aaron signing up for a Giant Eagle card last week. Take what you will from this information.

What we really need to know....did he buy Isley's or Thuman's?

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I think Rodgers was a heck of a QB. Was. Now I don't want him anywhere near my team at age 40. I question his leadership and team cohesion skills. I question his accuracy. I question his health. I question what he would ask the GM/Coach/Owner to do to pacify his wants. If a team thinks AR is getting them over the hump, they are thinking of the 32 year old AR. He's gone.

 

[BladeRunner]

I think Rodgers was a heck of a QB. Was. Now I don't want him anywhere near my team at age 40. I question his leadership and team cohesion skills. I question his accuracy. I question his health. I question what he would ask the GM/Coach/Owner to do to pacify his wants. If a team thinks AR is getting them over the hump, they are thinking of the 32 year old AR. He's gone.

As a Packers fan, I agree with this. He's basically gone DIVA and I just can't support that.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Pat McAfee heavily inferred that he's doing this to skip mini camp and then will show up just in time for training camp.

I've been saying pretty much this for a over a month. If he hasn't inked, then the Steelers aren't forced to answer a bunch of questions about him not being there for OTAs/etc. and won't be forced to fine him for missing mandatory minicamp (which he almost assuredly will/would).

"Hot take"™: A-A-ron's gonna roll in the 2nd week of TC. Team's gonna outwardly act like it was the plan all along, inwardly a bunch of the long-time veterans (who DID show up to OTA and manadatory stuff) are going to quietly wonder "WTF?" and start to resent him, quietly or otherwise. The moment something goes sideways and he throws teammates/staff under the bus on a McAfee show some Tuesday we'll start hearing actual reports of dudes like Cam Heyward being ready to launch him into the sun.

He's almost guaranteed to play for Pittsburgh (if he plays) in 2025. There's a significantly better-than-zero chance that they'll wish he hadn't by midway through the season, but that's another conversation.

 

[travdogg]

I think Rodgers was a heck of a QB. Was. Now I don't want him anywhere near my team at age 40. I question his leadership and team cohesion skills. I question his accuracy. I question his health. I question what he would ask the GM/Coach/Owner to do to pacify his wants. If a team thinks AR is getting them over the hump, they are thinking of the 32 year old AR. He's gone.

Mostly agree with this. 2021 was 4 years ago now. Rodgers hasn't been a difference maker since then, and the Steelers have even fewer weapons than the Jets did. This is likely a bottom 5 offense WITH Rodgers, and arguably the worst without. I'd argue Fields>>Wilson>>Rodgers>Rudolph.

Throughout his career, Rodgers has been an elite QB in almost every measure (he's always taken too many sacks) but last year it sure seemed like the deep ball and the overall accuracy just weren't there. He still made good reads and great decisions but would get in trouble trying to make throws he could in 2020, but not in 2024.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Pat McAfee heavily inferred that he's doing this to skip mini camp and then will show up just in time for training camp.

I've been saying pretty much this for a over a month. If he hasn't inked, then the Steelers aren't forced to answer a bunch of questions about him not being there for OTAs/etc. and won't be forced to fine him for missing mandatory minicamp (which he almost assuredly will/would).

"Hot take"™: A-A-ron's gonna roll in the 2nd week of TC™. Team's gonna outwardly act like it was the plan all along, inwardly a bunch of the long-time veterans (who DID show up to OTA and manadatory stuff) are going to quietly wonder "WTF?" and start to resent him, quietly or otherwise. The moment something goes sideways and he throws teammates/staff under the bus on a McAfee show some Tuesday we'll start hearing actual reports of dudes like Cam Heyward being ready to launch him into the sun.

He's almost guaranteed to play for Pittsburgh (if he plays) in 2025. There's a significantly better-than-zero chance that they'll wish he hadn't by midway through the season, but that's another conversation.

Does he really have to do this to skip mini camp though? Isn't it pretty common for older QBs to skip mini camp? He skipped mini camp last year with the Jets even though he was already on the team.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think Rodgers was a heck of a QB. Was. Now I don't want him anywhere near my team at age 40. I question his leadership and team cohesion skills. I question his accuracy. I question his health. I question what he would ask the GM/Coach/Owner to do to pacify his wants. If a team thinks AR is getting them over the hump, they are thinking of the 32 year old AR. He's gone.

Mostly agree with this. 2021 was 4 years ago now. Rodgers hasn't been a difference maker since then, and the Steelers have even fewer weapons than the Jets did. This is likely a bottom 5 offense WITH Rodgers, and arguably the worst without. I'd argue Fields>>Wilson>>Rodgers>Rudolph.

Throughout his career, Rodgers has been an elite QB in almost every measure (he's always taken too many sacks) but last year it sure seemed like the deep ball and the overall accuracy just weren't there. He still made good reads and great decisions but would get in trouble trying to make throws he could in 2020, but not in 2024.

He's definitely not the player he was. That's true of all players at the end.

But still #8 in passing yards last year.

And his accuracy has also fallen. But his 63% completion percentage is ok. Josh Allen (63.6%) and C.J. Stroud (63.2%) are comparable.

i think the biggest thing may be your last point. I do think managing the skills is likely a challenge. What he could do 2020 isn't the same as what he can do in 2025. Other first ballot Hall of Famers like Manning and Brady were able to make that mental adjustment at the end. It'll be interesting to see if Rodgers can.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Pat McAfee heavily inferred that he's doing this to skip mini camp and then will show up just in time for training camp.

I've been saying pretty much this for a over a month. If he hasn't inked, then the Steelers aren't forced to answer a bunch of questions about him not being there for OTAs/etc. and won't be forced to fine him for missing mandatory minicamp (which he almost assuredly will/would).

"Hot take"™: A-A-ron's gonna roll in the 2nd week of TC™. Team's gonna outwardly act like it was the plan all along, inwardly a bunch of the long-time veterans (who DID show up to OTA and manadatory stuff) are going to quietly wonder "WTF?" and start to resent him, quietly or otherwise. The moment something goes sideways and he throws teammates/staff under the bus on a McAfee show some Tuesday we'll start hearing actual reports of dudes like Cam Heyward being ready to launch him into the sun.

He's almost guaranteed to play for Pittsburgh (if he plays) in 2025. There's a significantly better-than-zero chance that they'll wish he hadn't by midway through the season, but that's another conversation.

Does he really have to do this to skip mini camp though? Isn't it pretty common for older QBs to skip mini camp? He skipped mini camp last year with the Jets even though he was already on the team.

No. He doesnt have to do that, and probably doesnt care.

Team ownership/Tomlin? They probably do. They'd pretend they didnt, but probably get sick of local medua asking about it.

It's pure baseless speculation on my part after following the team for a lifetime. I cant think of many other logical reasons theyd string this out so long otherwise (but then, I dont understand why they do a lot of things the way they do since Dan Rooney slipped loose the mortal coil.)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But his 63% completion percentage is ok. Josh Allen (63.6%) and C.J. Stroud (63.2%) are comparable.

Interesting comps there.

I’d say Allen’s 63.6% accuracy is buoyed somewhat by his 531 RuYd & 12 RuTD.

Unless you think ARod is gonna come out and run like a gazelle, comparing accuracy probably isn’t the most valuable part of Allen’s game to look at here?

As for Stroud, he wasn’t exactly tearing up the league last year. Along with his completion %, his passer rating dropped from 100.8 to 87, yards dropped from 4108 to 3727, TD dropped from 23 to 20, and he more than doubled his Ints (5 to 12)

One might also argue that HOU WR room >> PIT WR room, even with DKM replacing Pickens.

And importantly, neither of those dudes brings the off-field circus that ARod does.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Interesting comps there.

Agreed. I thought so too. Lots of ways obviously to look at different stats.

Will be interesting to see if he does play. We'll see.

 

[travdogg]

I think Rodgers was a heck of a QB. Was. Now I don't want him anywhere near my team at age 40. I question his leadership and team cohesion skills. I question his accuracy. I question his health. I question what he would ask the GM/Coach/Owner to do to pacify his wants. If a team thinks AR is getting them over the hump, they are thinking of the 32 year old AR. He's gone.

Mostly agree with this. 2021 was 4 years ago now. Rodgers hasn't been a difference maker since then, and the Steelers have even fewer weapons than the Jets did. This is likely a bottom 5 offense WITH Rodgers, and arguably the worst without. I'd argue Fields>>Wilson>>Rodgers>Rudolph.

Throughout his career, Rodgers has been an elite QB in almost every measure (he's always taken too many sacks) but last year it sure seemed like the deep ball and the overall accuracy just weren't there. He still made good reads and great decisions but would get in trouble trying to make throws he could in 2020, but not in 2024.

He's definitely not the player he was. That's true of all players at the end.

But still #8 in passing yards last year.

And his accuracy has also fallen. But his 63% completion percentage is ok. Josh Allen (63.6%) and C.J. Stroud (63.2%) are comparable.

i think the biggest thing may be your last point. I do think managing the skills is likely a challenge. What he could do 2020 isn't the same as what he can do in 2025. Other first ballot Hall of Famers like Manning and Brady were able to make that mental adjustment at the end. It'll be interesting to see if Rodgers can.

The 8th in passing yards is a little hollow in my opinion, as he was 2nd in pass attempts. His YPA was lower than anyone starting in 2025, except rookie Caleb Williams, and Bryce Young. Its hard to feel good about a low YPA accompanied by a low completion percentage. With Josh Allen his 7.7 YPA makes up a lot for his 63%, without even counting his rushing skill.

I think it was easier for Manning and Brady because they didn't win the same way Rodgers did, they never really had that "win with big arm and athleticism" that Rodgers often did, so when those things started to decline it was a lot less jarring. I think if you want to look at a guy similar to Rodgers in that regard, you can stay in Pittsburgh, because its late career Roethlisberger. Now Rodgers was more accurate than Big Ben, but Big Ben went through the same issue where once he didn't have a league best arm, he couldn't adjust, and the Steelers offense fell off, and its basically never recovered.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Please let's keep the politics and non football posts out of this one. I think most folks have made it clear how they feel about him on those points.