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QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (7 Viewers)

I think this is the link you want: https://static.www.nfl.com/image/upload/v1635965965/league/fmq0qpr18ehrlk8nmvib.pdf

Rodgers is not Tier 1 since he is not vaccinated. He's Tier 3, subject to all the restrictions starting on the bottome of page 8 of that pdf.
That's not how I read it. All Players are Tier 1.  "Club Staff" must be vaccinated to be Tier 1.  There isn't a real definition of "Club Staff" that I see, but there are numerous references in the protocol to "players and Club Staff" which would seem to indicate that players are not Club Staff (or there would be no reason to say anything other than "Club Staff" in those references). That would limit Club Staff to coaches, trainers, etc. listed with "Players" in the Tier 1 definitions. To be Tier 3 personnel, your job can't require close contact with any Tier 1 individuals, which would obviously prevent Rodgers from being Tier 3.

 
I'd appreciate a link for this.

And there's a chance you're wrong.

https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/44/9/1916

Or you may be referring to the study that showed 40% of COVID deaths were diabetic. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/40-percent-of-people-whove-died-from-covid-19-had-diabetes-researchers-say

Since you're getting your data first hand, how many of those 40% who were diabetic would have died without COVID? Seems to be pretty relevant here.


FFS stop.  Take it to the politics or tailgate or whatever cesspool this stuff is supposed to be posted in.

 
I'd appreciate a link for this.

And there's a chance you're wrong.

https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/44/9/1916

Or you may be referring to the study that showed 40% of COVID deaths were diabetic. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/40-percent-of-people-whove-died-from-covid-19-had-diabetes-researchers-say

Since you're getting your data first hand, how many of those 40% who were diabetic would have died without COVID? Seems to be pretty relevant here.


These are all obviously important questions and issues but please in this forum, let's keep it 100% NFL. We have some excellent discussions on these topics in our other forums. Thanks. 

 
That's not how I read it. All Players are Tier 1.  "Club Staff" must be vaccinated to be Tier 1.  There isn't a real definition of "Club Staff" that I see, but there are numerous references in the protocol to "players and Club Staff" which would seem to indicate that players are not Club Staff (or there would be no reason to say anything other than "Club Staff" in those references). That would limit Club Staff to coaches, trainers, etc. listed with "Players" in the Tier 1 definitions. To be Tier 3 personnel, your job can't require close contact with any Tier 1 individuals, which would obviously prevent Rodgers from being Tier 3.
It's a very convoluted read, and you may be correct. I was reading this to include players. Maybe somewhere in the 98 pages there's more clarity but I'm not wading through all of it.

For Club staff only:  COVID-19 Vaccination Requirement: In order to be
eligible for Tier 1 status, an individual must either be fully vaccinated or have
been granted a religious or medical exemption by his or her employer.  For
purposes of this requirement, “fully vaccinated” means 14 days have passed since
the individual received the last dose required in the vaccine sequence (i.e. 14 days
after the single Johnson and Johnson vaccine dose or 14 days after the second
Pfizer or Moderna dose), OR the individual has previously tested positive for
COVID-19 as documented by (i) a valid rt-PCR test or (ii) a quantitative antibody
test (taken at the Club facility and administered by BioReference Laboratory
personnel after August 26, 2021 and before the individual has received any dose
of a COVID vaccine) demonstrating COVID total antibody levels (IgG, IgA,
IgM) to the spike protein of 100 U/mL or greater, and a positive antibody test to
the COVID IgG nucleocapsid protein, and 14 days have passed since the
individual received one dose of any COVID vaccine (Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer
or Moderna).  Any Tier 1 Individual who has not received at least one dose of a
COVID vaccine or who has not received an approved medical or religious exemption by June 7, 2021, will not be permitted to access Restricted Areas of the
Club facility or interact with players in person until such time that he or she
becomes fully vaccinated.

 
Rodgers on Pat McAffe live right now.  I'm still not a fan on Rodgers as a person but he's making some great points and making a strong case for the route he took.  He spent a ton of time researching this and has taken a bunch of precautions just has some issues with the vaccine and how it relates to his body.

On a related note everyone on the Packers knew he wasn't vaccinated.  Rodgers masked around the facilities and also has been tested every day.  Still disappointing but what he did/has done makes alot more sense now.  

 
Pipes said:
I'm still not a fan on Rodgers as a person but he's making some great points and making a strong case for the route he took.  He spent a ton of time researching this and has taken a bunch of precautions just has some issues with the vaccine and how it relates to his body.
Right, which does nothing to explain why he chose to call himself immunized and, possibly, deviate from requirements applicable to those who were not. If he chose to say anything at all in August, shouldn't he have made these great points then, and subjected himself to the consequences?

 
He's not blaming woke culture at all he's criticizing woke culture.  Big difference.  Can't believe I'm defending Rodgers now but he makes a ton of valid points and points out the stupidity of the current NFL Covid policy.
This isn't woke culture or a witch hunt. The league put together rules based on the info they had. They are all the same for A-Aron or the long snapper.

 
Pipes said:
Rodgers on Pat McAffe live right now.  I'm still not a fan on Rodgers as a person but he's making some great points and making a strong case for the route he took.  He spent a ton of time researching this and has taken a bunch of precautions just has some issues with the vaccine and how it relates to his body.

On a related note everyone on the Packers knew he wasn't vaccinated.  Rodgers masked around the facilities and also has been tested every day.  Still disappointing but what he did/has done makes alot more sense now.  
Looking forward to seeing it on pubmed.

 
Dumb idiot forgot the first rule of holes: When you're in one, stop digging.

He deserves to be roasted hard for this stance. It's moronic. It's time for him to begin the awkward sunset phase of his career. The NFL can't be rid of this guy fast enough. 

 
I dont disagree that there's some level of "vaccine shaming" involved in the NFL protocols for unvaccinated players. Clearly they're trying to make things harder on those guys than what is probably necessary (I'm obviously not a doctor, but I think there's something to that)  So I'll agree with him on that front.

He claims he's allergic to one of the ingredients in the MRNA vaccines. Maybe that's true. Maybe he's making it up. No way to know.  Don't necessarily blame him for not taking the J&J.

But I dont buy for a second that he wasn't playing word games with his "I've been immunized" statement. (nor do I believe he would have come clean if one of the reporters had followed up) Its very clear that he was trying to mislead everyone without TECHNICALLY lying.  (although those with the proper medical expertise could obviously debate the merits of his "alternative treatment" if they become public)

Bottom line....he's a sensitive guy who is tired of being in the cross hairs for his own behavior and decided it would be easier to tell a little fib and hope he got away with it.  I'm guessing his "multi month process" is a bunch of homeopathic nonsense.  I only watched his first 5 min statement on the McAfee show, but he was pretty obviously trying to avoid calling the people he consulted "doctors" (just kept saying "medical individuals")

As for blaming the "woke mob"......come on dude. This isn't a bunch of losers reading your old tweets from high school to see if you typed a slur when you were 17.  Its people rightfully coming down on you for blatantly misleading everyone to try and avoid looking like an anti-vaxer.  If he really is allergic to the MRNA vaccines, it would have been SO easy for him to say that. He would have caught a little bit of grief, but most people would have understood and it would have blown over pretty quickly.

Its not the "crime"....its the coverup.

 
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But I dont buy for a second that he wasn't playing word games with his "I've been immunized" statement. (nor do I believe he would have come clean if one of the reporters had followed up) Its very clear that he was trying to mislead everyone without TECHNICALLY lying. 
Yeah, about that ...

After Rodgers said he was "immunized", @jasonjwilde asked a followup based on the assumption that Rodgers had received the COVID-19 vaccine. Rodgers didn't correct that assumption in his answer and continued his response.

 
I'm so confused, he criticizes the 'woke' crowd but is taking ivermectin and is taking his medical advice from Joe Rogan.  It would seem that he is attempting to be the 'woke' one here.

 
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Again....I'm sure in Aaron's mind, he didn't "lie". (since he never actually said "I'm vaccinated" or "I took the vaccine"). But yeah, its nonsense word games and semantics. He clearly crafted his statement to make everyone think he was vaccinated when he wasn't.
I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I made a decision at some point in my life to never fall back on the "technically I didn't lie" excuse. If you say something that is designed to mislead the person you're speaking to, what's the difference?

 
What a joke for this clown to call himself a "critical thinker."  He then hits every single nutjob talking point, including Joe Rogan, Ivermectin, "do your own research" "woke mob" etc. What an absolute disgrace.

 
GreenNGold said:
:lol:  you think he did something that warrants the league to "lay a slap down on him and the team?  :lol:  


just quoting this because yesterday I said yes. today i say "hell yes"

both him and team were fully aware he was pissing on the protocol, im more sure than ever.

 
This isn't woke culture or a witch hunt. The league put together rules based on the info they had. They are all the same for A-Aron or the long snapper.
That’s not what he was calling woke culture.  He was talking about why he answered the “Are you vaxed” question the way he didn’t want to deal with the public ramifications of not being vaxed.  He handed it poorly back in Aug that’s for sure

 
That’s not what he was calling woke culture.  He was talking about why he answered the “Are you vaxed” question the way he didn’t want to deal with the public ramifications of not being vaxed.  He handed it poorly back in Aug that’s for sure


He handled it terribly, and "woke mob" was probably not an accurate phrase.  But tough to blame someone who chose not to be vaxxed for NOT wanting to deal with the wailing and gnashing of teeth that decision brings.  Just look at this thread.

 
What a joke for this clown to call himself a "critical thinker."  He then hits every single nutjob talking point, including Joe Rogan, Ivermectin, "do your own research" "woke mob" etc. What an absolute disgrace.


I don't know what level of political discourse is permitted in the Shark Pool and I don't want to get banned again for harmless comments, but let's just say I find it amusing how many "free thinkers" on a certain side of the political spectrum who are "immune to the biased mainstream media" are quick to regurgitate talking points from a certain #1 rated cable news network known to be full of blatant propaganda.

 
Webster should just put Rodger's picture as the definition for narcissist. What a smarmy doosh. The whole martyr schtick was pathetic.

 
That’s not what he was calling woke culture.  He was talking about why he answered the “Are you vaxed” question the way he didn’t want to deal with the public ramifications of not being vaxed.  He handed it poorly back in Aug that’s for sure
Ok I listened to the whole interview now. He can do whatever he wants but yeah he is going to be judged for the stuff he says. It’s not people being woke :lol:  a lot of bizarre stuff in that interview. 

He can do whatever he wants in his personal life. His job does open him up to some parts of his private life being made public. Comes with the territory.

 
Love the comment in his interview on Macafee about vaccinated players being allowed to immediately enter facilities while waiting for results and his teammate doing exactly that then testing positive after having breakfast in close contact with his teammates.  The NFL "Safety" rules are broken.

 
Webster should just put Rodger's picture as the definition for narcissist. What a smarmy doosh. The whole martyr schtick was pathetic.
Couldn't have said it better. Just when you think he can't be a bigger jerk, he says hold my beer I'll do another interview. There is no way the woman he just got engaged to had any idea what an a@@hat this guy is. She should be running away fast, really fast. 

 
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Ok I listened to the whole interview now. He can do whatever he wants but yeah he is going to be judged for the stuff he says. It’s not people being woke :lol:  a lot of bizarre stuff in that interview. 

He can do whatever he wants in his personal life. His job does open him up to some parts of his private life being made public. Comes with the territory.


Such as?

 

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