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QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (2 Viewers)

Smack Tripper said:
What do you mean by immunized is an obvious follow up question 

“I’m vaccinated” is a lie.  “Im immunized” is admittedly a weasel word phrasing but it apparently satiated the Green Bay beat guys
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Agree in hindsight a follow up question would have been great but the conversation didn’t go as follows:

Reporter - Are you vaccinated and what’s your stance on vaccinations?

Aaron - I’m immunized.

Leaving out the ‘yeah’ that was said to start the response to a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ question is the most important part of the response and this discussion. 

 
So if I ask someone if they’re going to do X

and they wish to indicate they will not

a conversational, colloquial language style might bring an answer 

“yeah I’m not gonna do that”

have they lied?  
 

Language is a breathing living construct, technically I suppose you could argue he lied but it’s simply not how language works

 
Smack Tripper said:
If that was the extent of his remarks you would be correct 

However he expounded on this is and it didn’t even hit the head right, it begged for clarity

by your logic a police interview is “did you do it” and we go with whatever answer we get.  
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Respectfully you’re really trying to dissect this too much. It’s not the Zapruder film or a criminal interrogation. He was asked a yes or no question by a reporter and answered it in the affirmative. End of story but as Ted mentioned - we’ll agree to disagree. 

 
Catbird said:
He also apparently took advantage of all the benefits of being a vaccinated player - not getting tested, not wearing a mask, etc. - which are clearly afforded only to the vaccinated. If he wanted to take a principled position about his course of treatment, I don't think anyone would care. Its claiming he was and taking the benefits of vaccination knowing he hadn't been that gets him in trouble.
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He said he tested daily

he SAYS he only went maskless in press conferences which is from what I understand a violation 

 
Witz said:
Respectfully you’re really trying to dissect this too much. It’s not the Zapruder film or a criminal interrogation. He was asked a yes or no question by a reporter and answered it in the affirmative. End of story but as Ted mentioned - we’ll agree to disagree. 
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If your response offers contradictory or non clarifying information, I personally put the onus on the party seeking information to attempt to obtain clarity 

 
Smack Tripper said:
So if I ask someone if they’re going to do X

and they wish to indicate they will not

a conversational, colloquial language style might bring an answer 

“yeah I’m not gonna do that”

have they lied?  
 

Language is a breathing living construct, technically I suppose you could argue he lied but it’s simply not how language works
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Your argument is fiction.  "Yeah, no" and "Yeah, I'm immunized" are completely different responses.  The first is a negative and the latter is affirmative with supporting subtrefuge.

 
Keep this 100% about Rodgers and playing football.

We have thousands of pages in the other forums where people slap endlessly at each other. If you want to that, take it there. Keep this forum 100% NFL Football. 

 
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Serious question, we know GB is likely going with Love after this season. If Love plays well, and Rodgers keeps sounding like a dummy, is his market suddenly a ton smaller than GB was hoping? I mean he'll be an almost 40 y/o QB, with potential leadership/common sense issues. Especially if Russell Wilson(a better player in basically every way in my opinion, at least in 2021) is available, and probably an over a decade younger higher upside player in Watson. Then there is the rookie class, which seemingly is a bad class, but all it takes is a couple teams to fall in love with a couple players(players who are almost 20 years younger than Rodgers)

Could GB struggle to even get a 1st rounder?

 
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travdogg said:
Serious question, we know GB is likely going with Love after this season. If Love plays well, and Rodgers keeps sounding like a dummy, is his market suddenly a ton smaller than GB was hoping. I mean he'll be an almost 40 y/o QB, with potential leadership/common sense issues. Especially if Russell Wilson(a better player in basically every way in my opinion, at least in 2021) is available, and probably an over a decade younger higher upside player in Watson. Then there is the rookie class, which seemingly is a bad class, but all it takes is a couple teams to fall in love with a couple players(players who are almost 20 years younger than Rodgers)

Could GB struggle to even get a 1st rounder?
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This will blow over and some desperate team will still cover and welcome him for as long as his skills hold up.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
This will blow over and some desperate team will still cover and welcome him for as long as his skills hold up.
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I'm not saying his career is over from this, not by a longshot, just that it could be enough combined with his age, that he's more of a fallback option this offseason, than a target. Kinda like 2020 Rivers maybe?

 
travdogg said:
I'm not saying his career is over from this, not by a longshot, just that it could be enough combined with his age, that he's more of a fallback option this offseason, than a target. Kinda like 2020 Rivers maybe?
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Rivers’ skill set had deteriorated at that point - Rodgers’ hasn’t yet.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
The mental gymnastics some will go through  :lmao: .

I don’t have a problem with him not getting the shot (even if I believe most should) but anyone trying to say he didn’t at least try and deceive anyone is full of poop.

I don’t like the stance that Cousins or Beasley took, but I at least respect them for being upfront. Rodgers is a weasel coward. How anyone possibly defend that with semantical arguments is mind-blowing.

And there was a follow up that seems to be getting lost here where he went on to say some of his teammates were unvaccinated and he would be respectful of their decisions.
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Didn’t you dramatically declare yourself OUT of this thread?

Taking this to a field/football presence, the only parties it matters if he lied to are the team and the league.  
 

I wouldn’t expect the team to discipline him regardless apart from solidifying or cementing a willingness to trade him

if he lied to the league, I fully expect him to be suspended for at least an additional game as he will need to be made an example of

 
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Smack Tripper said:
Didn’t you dramatically declare yourself OUT of this thread?

Taking this to a field/football presence, the only parties it matters if he lied to are the team and the league.  
 

I wouldn’t expect the team to regardless apart from solidifying or cementing a willingness to trade him

if he lied to the league, I fully expect him to be suspended for at least an additional game as he will need to be made an example of
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Well I was a bit shocked and disheartened by some one trying to claim more people were upset about Rodgers than Ruggs. It made me over-react a bit.

I don’t think he lied to the league - I’m guessing they don’t just take a player’s word for it.

He lied at the press conference - although I know you don’t want to admit that for whatever reason. I’m not going to sit here and claim I’ve never lied about anything in my life. I’m not trying to be holier than though. I just find it funny that the guy wanted to “make a stand” yet couldn’t even own up to it. Period.

I don’t think he should be suspended at all. 

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Rivers’ skill set had deteriorated at that point - Rodgers’ hasn’t yet.
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I'm not sure Rodgers hasn't. I mean he's been on a pretty downward spiral since 2016 other than his MVP year last year.

Rivers was on a downward spiral, then had, not an MVP, but a very good outlier 2018(at age 37, just like Rodgers MVP season) and then was right back to declining.

Rodgers is a better player than Rivers, but Rivers wasn't possibly competing with Wilson/Watson for jobs. He had Brady(even older) and...Teddy maybe? 

Rodgers completion % and YPA have been league average for years, other than in 2020, his passer rating has been above average, but not great, and his greatest skill has been avoiding turnovers. 

I'm just saying its very easy to look at 2020 as a huge outlier, and the majority of the last 5 seasons has shown a declining player, (like Rivers) who is still good(like Rivers) but will likely require a high price tag(unlike Rivers) I just think those factors could hurt his market, and that is without even bringing up the idiocy that is happening now.

Quick off the field note, do you think this whole ordeal gets Rodgers dropped by State Farm? I would think an insurance company would be especially unwilling to have any controversial opinions around them.

 
"Q-Aaron"

:lmao:

“I believe strongly in bodily autonomy. Not to have to acquiesce to some woke culture or some crazed group of individuals...I put a lot of time and energy into researching and met with a lot of different people in the medical field to get the most information about the vaccines before making a decision.”

...for men, but not for women, of course. What a doof.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Well I was a bit shocked and disheartened by some one trying to claim more people were upset about Rodgers than Ruggs. It made me over-react a bit.

I don’t think he lied to the league - I’m guessing they don’t just take a player’s word for it.

He lied at the press conference - although I know you don’t want to admit that for whatever reason. I’m not going to sit here and claim I’ve never lied about anything in my life. I’m not trying to be holier than though. I just find it funny that the guy wanted to “make a stand” yet couldn’t even own up to it. Period.

I don’t think he should be suspended at all. 
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Your statement “no one believes Rodgers situation was worse”.  I disagreed with that point regarding the oresnence or level of sentiment.  , I did t agree that it was worse.  There are people holding. Dry strong feelings on the shot

i would support Rodgers Being suspended if he DID lie to the league 

but my only point I mentioning is, I would assume The leagues actions will complete the picture of who knew what when

 
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Pip's Invitation said:
That would be nice, but they could also try to sweep everything under the rug, like they did with the WFT investigation. 
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I can’t imagine Rodgers is the only one trying to thread this needle.  It’s a copycat league

so it will pertain to future situations, I could also see if affecting partner relationships 

I also think LA is the most likely city to next try an Nyc style mandate, so with two teams and the bowl there, that will be  something they’ll want to be in front of

 
travdogg said:
Quick off the field note, do you think this whole ordeal gets Rodgers dropped by State Farm? I would think an insurance company would be especially unwilling to have any controversial opinions around them.
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No.  We've learned here in the thread that cancel culture isn't real.

 
BigJim® said:
He lied, and seemingly did not follow the protocols the NFL and NFLPA agreed to. It's as simple as that. I...

He's just a narcissist who wanted it both ways. 
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I'm going to drive a wide circle around this issue without touching right in the center of it.

1) No one knows Aaron Rodgers personal medical history

2) Given No#1, no one here knows AR's current medical condition in specific detail. ( I'm not going to dive into what I know and/or don't know from the media optics side of this)

3) There are certain medical conditions, on the hypothetical that they were present, that have been shown, though to some dispute, that already established vaccines, that are not the COVID19 vaccine, can caused a compromised immune response. If, running the hypothetical that certain medical conditions were present, the next critical question would be if the COVID19 vaccine would generate the same issue.

4) "Protecting the shield" also means protecting the potential media optics narratives around future Hall Of Fame players. There are lines where discovery of what seems only in the context of professional will immediately dovetail into the context of what's personal. The general public response if professional was seen to disclose the personal would not be in the best interests of maintaining a functional relationship between the league administration/NFL owners and the NFLPA.

5) Given No#4, such an incident could trigger a labor war or future acrimony in an eventual labor battle. The NFLPA might not agree with Aaron Rodgers on this issue, but they are obligated to defend his interests in so much as defending all players interests, not just for now, but also in the future. No one wants to set a precedent where your professional playing career is now a blank check as public entry into your personal life. There are certain aspects of one's personal life that are seen universally as not discussed in the public sphere unless that person wants to make that decision on their own, and not to be compelled or leveraged into it.

This issue is a juggernaut sized claymore mine. If it goes off, it savages everyone involved. I get that the COVID19 and vaccine issue is polarizing and people have their own personal individual stakes and experiences, but this situation is just a relatively unique one where it's better off for the NFLPA, the NFL owners, and the league administration to just let it go.

 
Smack Tripper said:
Your statement “no one believes Rodgers situation was worse”.  I disagreed with that point regarding the oresnence or level of sentiment.  , I did t agree that it was worse.  There are people holding. Dry strong feelings on the shot

i would support Rodgers Being suspended if he DID lie to the league 

but my only point I mentioning is, I would assume The leagues actions will complete the picture of who knew what when
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Yes, it was some one else that made the statement that people were madder at Rodgers than Ruggs and yes that was all you said.

Anyway I deleted my last post that was way nastier than it should have been and I apologize to you for that. It was set off a little and over reacted a bit - although I stand behind my main points about Rodgers. 
 

 
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travdogg said:
Serious question, we know GB is likely going with Love after this season. If Love plays well, and Rodgers keeps sounding like a dummy, is his market suddenly a ton smaller than GB was hoping? I mean he'll be an almost 40 y/o QB, with potential leadership/common sense issues. Especially if Russell Wilson (a better player in basically every way in my opinion, at least in 2021) is available, and probably an over a decade younger higher upside player in Watson. Then there is the rookie class, which seemingly is a bad class, but all it takes is a couple teams to fall in love with a couple players(players who are almost 20 years younger than Rodgers)

Could GB struggle to even get a 1st rounder?
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Wait, wasn't the whole thing about him restructuring his deal that it allowed him to become a free agent after this season?

 
socrates said:
Fair point. Of course this has nothing to do with being "woke".  That is merely the same crowd Rodgers offended.  I should have chosen a less divisive term, but I believe we all understand which group of people we are discussing here.
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Q Aaron is hilarious.  He would appear to be a card carrying member of the doomsday cult of radical self determination.

For a purported leader of the team his behavior is despicable.  No question his actions have put his teammates and every member of the organization at greater risk.  I hope he and the Packers see significant consequences from the league.
 

 
When Aaron said he was immunized, was his intent to have people think he had gotten his COVID vaccination shots?  Of course it was.  If your girlfriend said she was "on the pill", then got pregnant, would you be upset to find out she didn't mean birth control?

 
TheWinz said:
When Aaron said he was immunized, was his intent to have people think he had gotten his COVID vaccination shots?  Of course it was.  If your girlfriend said she was "on the pill", then got pregnant, would you be upset to find out she didn't mean birth control?
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apparently it would be your fault for not following up with "which pill"? :shrug:  

 
Also, if he were really allergic to the vaccines, all he had to say in August was "no, because I'm allergic to the vaccines." People would have respected that and let it go. So that makes me think he's lying about that as well. 

 
Pip's Invitation said:
Also, if he were really allergic to the vaccines, all he had to say in August was "no, because I'm allergic to the vaccines." People would have respected that and let it go. So that makes me think he's lying about that as well. 
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Also, we're how many months into these vaccines... Has anyone else encountered someone from their life, or even heard of anyone else with this apparent allergy? I know I haven't.

 
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the NFL is investigating the Packers and Aaron Rodgers for violations of COVID-19 protocols.

Rapoport added that two issues "have come to the forefront." The first issue is Rodgers choosing not to wear a mask while indoors at press conferences. Rodgers has already voiced his opposition to the rule that stipulates unvaccinated players must wear a mask while indoors with the team. He'll also be investigated for appearing in a group setting away from the team when he attended a Halloween party. Expect hefty fines to come down on Rodgers at some point. It's also possible that Green Bay is penalized in the form of draft picks for their handling of Rodgers. The reigning MVP is eligible to return from the reserve/COVID-19 list in Week 10. 

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Nov 7, 2021, 10:05 AM ET
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TheWinz said:
When Aaron said he was immunized, was his intent to have people think he had gotten his COVID vaccination shots?  Of course it was.  If your girlfriend said she was "on the pill", then got pregnant, would you be upset to find out she didn't mean birth control?
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Apparently, you and her have met.  Mystic you say?

 
In Aaron's defense, in 18 months the total NFL players who have:

Died from COVID: 0

Intubated from COVID: 0

ICU from COVID: 0?

Hospitalized from COVID: 1-3?

Tested positive for COVID: 500+

Been tested for COVID: 50k+

Sure some of the OL could be classified as obese like most Americans under the age of 75 who have had COVID complications, but for the most part these are the healthiest people on the planet, and based on the science healthy people in their 20s and 30s have a nearly 0% chance of dying from COVID.

Rodgers said he was "immunized". Was that misleading, sure, was it inaccurate, not if he had COVID already. I am sure everyone here remembers way back in 2019, before science was weaponized and politicized, natural immunity was common knowledge and accepted science. Even our own experts who denied natural immunity initially have changed their tune and agree it exists and may even be more effective than the shots.

I expect the level of emotions and lack of critical thinking seen in the last 10 pages from the political forum but expected better from the shark pool, oh well.

Maybe OP can update the thread title when Rodgers drops dead from this virus that is wreaking so much havoc on the NFL.

 
Bozeman Bruiser said:
Been tested for COVID: 50k+
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I know what you meant, but factual statement is that there's only 1700ish players in the NFL. 50k different NFL players have not been tested.

Kind of like the hospitalized, 1-3. But how many days were they hospitalized? Or how many days have they missed due to COVID? Better stats. Armstead missed over 365 days of football activities, right?

 
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TheWinz said:
When Aaron said he was immunized, was his intent to have people think he had gotten his COVID vaccination shots?  Of course it was.  If your girlfriend said she was "on the pill", then got pregnant, would you be upset to find out she didn't mean birth control?
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Rodgers claims he informed both the league and the Packers that he was unvaccinated.  I concede that Rodgers' veracity is in doubt, but if true, that makes a significant difference. If your wife told you and her doctor she was not on the pill, but lied to her friends, she is not guilty of deceiving you to get pregnant. 

I have my own doubts that Rodgers is allergic to the MRNA vaccinations, but I support his right to decline the jab, nonetheless. The NFL allows players to decline the vaccination.  His reasons should be immaterial.

Rodgers is pretty clearly guilty of lying to the press.  (Arguably, it was never truly their business anyway.) Rodgers is also likely guilty of subverting the protocols for unvaccinated players.  A reasonable argument can be made that he put his teammates in jeopardy by refusing to adhere to protocols.  If those matters bother you, then I get that.  I agree it appears he acted selfishly.  Whether he agreed with the logic behind the league's rules, he was bound to follow them.  Criticism of Rodgers for these actions seems justified.

Rodgers has always marched to a different drumbeat.  Love him or hate him, that is who he is.  The amount of criticism Rodgers has endured for his beliefs boggles my mind, however.  This intolerance reflects a disturbing trend.

 
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