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Might still be better than Stroud for fantasy. He looked like a better fantasy QB than Stroud before he went on IR.Every time I see this topic bumped I’m thinking “please be good news please be good news please be good news”
So glad I took him over Stroud.
Oh I’m still optimistic. But he did get hurt every game. Dude needs to learn that they’re bigger/stronger/faster in the NFL.Might still be better than Stroud for fantasy. He looked like a better fantasy QB than Stroud before he went on IR.Every time I see this topic bumped I’m thinking “please be good news please be good news please be good news”
So glad I took him over Stroud.
Frankly, I'd argue the Colts win the division (probably by multiple games) if he'd have stayed on the field. Steichen worked miracles with Minshew, I feel like he could have done a lot more with an actually talented QB.
Maybe Tua could teach him how to fall....Oh I’m still optimistic. But he did get hurt every game. Dude needs to learn that they’re bigger/stronger/faster in the NFL.Might still be better than Stroud for fantasy. He looked like a better fantasy QB than Stroud before he went on IR.Every time I see this topic bumped I’m thinking “please be good news please be good news please be good news”
So glad I took him over Stroud.
Frankly, I'd argue the Colts win the division (probably by multiple games) if he'd have stayed on the field. Steichen worked miracles with Minshew, I feel like he could have done a lot more with an actually talented QB.
For a whole 5 games if lucky
Injuries are hard to predict. We were saying this about Tua before last season.
Its his style of play , hopefully he learns to slide or run outa bounds . Otherwise hes an elite talent
I’m pretty sure he knows how to do both of those things. Why would you suggest otherwise?
Every young QB shares those concerns. Look at Mac Jones out of a job. 1st round pick. Stayed healthy, too.
I get it, but Mac Jones was never being discussed/drafted as an Elite Fantasy QB. Richardson is being talked about as a top 5 dynasty QB and he is still extremely raw in the passing game. Sure his upside is high but if he doesn't make a MASSIVE jump in passing ability, I don't know how long he's a starter in this league.Every young QB shares those concerns. Look at Mac Jones out of a job. 1st round pick. Stayed healthy, too.
So it’s about fantasy upside related to risk rather than draft capital?I get it, but Mac Jones was never being discussed/drafted as an Elite Fantasy QB. Richardson is being talked about as a top 5 dynasty QB and he is still extremely raw in the passing game. Sure his upside is high but if he doesn't make a MASSIVE jump in passing ability, I don't know how long he's a starter in this league.Every young QB shares those concerns. Look at Mac Jones out of a job. 1st round pick. Stayed healthy, too.
While understanding the NFL isn’t college, programs matter, and growth is key, ARich never looked like a great passer in college. Fields looked highly competent (although with his receivers that was easy to do).
Its more that the Fields situation added a bit more perspective for me. Mainly that Fantasy upside/potential/production doesn't equally translate to NFL potential from a team's perspective. ARich could go on to be the #1 FF QB for the next three seasons and still only be a mediocre NFL QB. Its becoming a league where a QB has to show elite passing skills to get the second contract.So it’s about fantasy upside related to risk rather than draft capital?I get it, but Mac Jones was never being discussed/drafted as an Elite Fantasy QB. Richardson is being talked about as a top 5 dynasty QB and he is still extremely raw in the passing game. Sure his upside is high but if he doesn't make a MASSIVE jump in passing ability, I don't know how long he's a starter in this league.Every young QB shares those concerns. Look at Mac Jones out of a job. 1st round pick. Stayed healthy, too.
Huh. I’d always believed it was in related to where a player was drafted.
With Fields, he was a 1st round pick, so people believed he’d get a lot of leeway/time to develop as compared to someone like Howell, who as a 5th round pick might be lucky to get another chance just to start a game in SEA.
I’m not sure we’ve seen enough of ARich’s passing ability to even make the judgement that he needs to take a “massive jump in passing ability” - he looked like a really good passer from game 1. So that seems like it’s a bit off in terms of risk with ARich.
IMO it’s all about health with him. He’s already ahead of where Fields was as a passer at this stage of their careers.
Oh sure - I am saying the same.
I’m not saying he is a better passer. But if he’s the same level of passer in his 1st year than Fields was in his 3rd (4th?) then I’m less concerned about his ability to develop further.Its more that the Fields situation added a bit more perspective for me. Mainly that Fantasy upside/potential/production doesn't equally translate to NFL potential from a team's perspective. ARich could go on to be the #1 FF QB for the next three seasons and still only be a mediocre NFL QB. Its becoming a league where a QB has to show elite passing skills to get the second contract.So it’s about fantasy upside related to risk rather than draft capital?I get it, but Mac Jones was never being discussed/drafted as an Elite Fantasy QB. Richardson is being talked about as a top 5 dynasty QB and he is still extremely raw in the passing game. Sure his upside is high but if he doesn't make a MASSIVE jump in passing ability, I don't know how long he's a starter in this league.Every young QB shares those concerns. Look at Mac Jones out of a job. 1st round pick. Stayed healthy, too.
Huh. I’d always believed it was in related to where a player was drafted.
With Fields, he was a 1st round pick, so people believed he’d get a lot of leeway/time to develop as compared to someone like Howell, who as a 5th round pick might be lucky to get another chance just to start a game in SEA.
I’m not sure we’ve seen enough of ARich’s passing ability to even make the judgement that he needs to take a “massive jump in passing ability” - he looked like a really good passer from game 1. So that seems like it’s a bit off in terms of risk with ARich.
IMO it’s all about health with him. He’s already ahead of where Fields was as a passer at this stage of their careers.
Fields and ARich had nearly identical QBR and passer ratings last season. I think ARich has the right team and coaching around him to grow, so I'm hopeful he does. I think ARich's sample size is too small to say he's already a better passer.
That’s exactly my point.
Richardson above all of them easily for me
Sounds like a character on Dukes Of Hazard.
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Are you talking about one quarterback or superflex leagues? I assume that's one quarterback since Tua/Goff is going in r7/8/9. I'd rather wait on a quarterback if you aren't getting a quarterback with top-three upside. Tua and Goff 's ceilings are capped. They offer 0 rushing upside. Chad Parsons mentioned in a recent podcast that Arich was QB1 in scoring on a per-quarter basis. There's risk, but the upside is worth that risk.x.com
-Still think he's way too high in Redraft
I don't hear coaches speak about players like this, unless they're a project-type
Is that what ARich is, an experiment for the Colts?
I posted a page or two back where the GM is quoted as saying that Richardson is going to look like a Rookie at times this year. His words not MoP
For folks who specialize in redraft vs dynasty, this player is especially dangerous and I understand there is upside if he manages to take off.
QB2 behind a strong QB1? That's about the only way IMHO, many will grab Richardson 1st and then come back with a veteran behind him.
I have been running mocks with MoP Jr on the Sleeper app for weeks since the NFL draft ended and it seems too easy to watch 6-8 QBs go off the board
Then double dip at QB in rounds 7-8-9 like as an example I have been able to pair Tua Tags with Jared Goff several times
That feels a lot safer IMHO than what some of you are plotting courses for
Cha-Ching!
Hey bud, thanks for asking me for clarification.Are you talking about one quarterback or superflex leagues? I assume that's one quarterback since Tua/Goff is going in r7/8/9. I'd rather wait on a quarterback if you aren't getting a quarterback with top-three upside. Tua and Goff 's ceilings are capped. They offer 0 rushing upside. Chad Parsons mentioned in a recent podcast that Arich was QB1 in scoring on a per-quarter basis. There's risk, but the upside is worth that risk.x.com
-Still think he's way too high in Redraft
I don't hear coaches speak about players like this, unless they're a project-type
Is that what ARich is, an experiment for the Colts?
I posted a page or two back where the GM is quoted as saying that Richardson is going to look like a Rookie at times this year. His words not MoP
For folks who specialize in redraft vs dynasty, this player is especially dangerous and I understand there is upside if he manages to take off.
QB2 behind a strong QB1? That's about the only way IMHO, many will grab Richardson 1st and then come back with a veteran behind him.
I have been running mocks with MoP Jr on the Sleeper app for weeks since the NFL draft ended and it seems too easy to watch 6-8 QBs go off the board
Then double dip at QB in rounds 7-8-9 like as an example I have been able to pair Tua Tags with Jared Goff several times
That feels a lot safer IMHO than what some of you are plotting courses for
Cha-Ching!
His rushing ability was supposed to provide a platform to allow him to develop as a passer without undermining the rest of the offense. If that’s no longer on the table, the young quarterback needs to take significant steps forward as a passer much quicker than he would have otherwise.
It's a bit aggressive, but in its SF dynasty rankings, FantasyPros has him at #10 overall. So doesn't seem too out of whack.
Thanks... even 10 seems a bit high to me. I've never been on the bandwagon, but I didn't know his value was hitting this level.
I think many are salivating at his rushing prospects, and understandably so, and he even looked competent as a passer in the short time he was on the field. Small sample size for sure, but I remember reading in the offseason that he averaged more fantasy points per drop back than any other QB, including Josh Allen. It's a big leap of faith given that he has barely played, but there's a lot to like there being coached up by Shane Steichen.
