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QB Anthony Richardson, IND (1 Viewer)
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Terpman22
Footballguy
He definitely does seem a "Shoot for the moon" type of pick and I'm sure in SF its a way harder decision.
I have yet to play a SF league though, so my plan is to try to get this guy in rounds 5/6/7 depending on the value/how the drafts go and back him up with a solid vet rounds 10/11/12 just to cover my bases.
But if he hits its gonna be a big hit.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I could easily see Richardson being QB1 by the end of the year. He and JT are going to be a problem on the ground.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He won't unless he learns how to slide.
Not a good day at practice when the other team is mocking you. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ng-joint-practice-is-that-all-he-does-is-run/
massraider
Footballguy
Entering his 2nd season, and has played 28 games TOTAL, since high school.
Including NFL.
Including NFL.
he could for sure. I don't see it though.
However, Schefter just drafted him as the first qb off the board in espn's latest staff draft, and I find that ridiculous when he could have just waited until some of the big 4 went off the clock. Always trying to plant his flag that guy.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Why? What does he bring to the QB position that's wowing you?
-It feels like GMs out there view Richardson as somehow being able to bend the rules to their favor and it's fascinating. It's like when Taysom Hill is being put int he wrong box and plays QB but is really a TE or vice versa and GMs get all giddy for a second and think they can somehow skirt the rules.
The guy plays QB and it appears on the surface that he prefers to run or that his best quality is his ability to tuck it and run.
And we've yet to see one of these run first types win a Super Bowl, most is not all are accomplished pocket passers that win the rings.
And he's drafted at QB6 right now when I glanced at ADP rankings, so many safer bets that will likely reap you more points.
I'm surprised he's being drafted as high as he is
QB1 you say?
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Rookiefever
Footballguy
I don’t have even a hope he’ll finish as qb 1. I’ll be happy if he does for my one team that has him. But, I’ll give my unprovoked opinion. He’s more reckless than josh Allen and right on par with a young cam newton with his running ability. We all know what that brings to the table, good and bad. But he does have a really really strong arm and some wrs that can run. Defenses will have to stop the run with this team and that will open things up for him down the field. Also, I don’t view this defense as a shutdown type. I expect a decent amount of points scored against them. Imo that’s about all he has going for him and that’s probably all he needs IF he can make it happen. I’m excited to see what he does but there’s no way I’m pulling a shifty for this guy even in 2qb.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I'll bite old friend! I doubt ARich finishes QB1, but he has that upside. You can argue he's the greatest athlete to ever play the position in the NFL from a size/speed standpoint. Colts have a very good OL, good receivers, and an elite RB. Mix in a MikeVick/LamarJackson type QB and if he stays healthy, 1000 yards and 12 TDs on the ground isn't far fetched.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Seems like there’s an equal chance he has a 400 point season or 140 points.
I think this is what you’re going to see with him most of the year. Seems to me he’ll always be a better fantasy QB than real life.
massraider
Footballguy
Learning on the job. Won't be pretty sometimes.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
QB1 on his team? Sure I can see that. In the league? No way.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Feels like this guy gets a lot of undue hate. I think for fantasy he's going to be great, and for real football he could be great. Reminds me a bit of Cam tbh.
BIRDGANG52
Footballguy
The pick 6 he threw cost me $300 gambling. That's a play that doesn't need to happen. Plays like that will lose games, playoff games, division, and much more. I know it's his second year, but I thought it was Justin Fields out there. Giftwrapped the Bengals a pick-six.
I could have made a house call on that play. It was covered, he threw it, the defense took it 6-points. If he makes that kind of mistake, he's going to make other similar mistakes. I feel bad for Colts fans, you might end up paying this guy a lot of money. That showed a lack of pro skillset. Player improve, but the season starts in less than 2 weeks and he's getting clowned on in preseason play. I'm not saying he won't produce from fantasy, but he will break your heart if you are hoping for success for the Colts as a team.
I could have made a house call on that play. It was covered, he threw it, the defense took it 6-points. If he makes that kind of mistake, he's going to make other similar mistakes. I feel bad for Colts fans, you might end up paying this guy a lot of money. That showed a lack of pro skillset. Player improve, but the season starts in less than 2 weeks and he's getting clowned on in preseason play. I'm not saying he won't produce from fantasy, but he will break your heart if you are hoping for success for the Colts as a team.
Banger
Footballguy
Richardson was certainly a guy I was looking to grab if he offered good value but I have to say I’m cooling on him. He has a very limited NFL track record and he certainly used his legs well and scored a bunch of points but he also ended his season early because of his running. You also need to be able to throw the ball and what I’m hearing is not positive on that front. He may end up being a good/great fantasy QB but I think it’ll be on someone else’s team.
Terpman22
Footballguy
I'll bite.
What makes me think he can be the QB1?
Rare traits that allow him to rush for possibly 1k yards and double digit TDs.
Started and finished 2 games last year. Was QB2 and QB4 in those weeks.
Has a bevy of weapons to toss the rock to.
Shane Steichen has a proven record of developing young QBs.
Thats about all I got, but I don't see any world where he isn't a top 10 QB. I'm drafting him in round 4/5 this year and backing him up with vets in the later rounds to be safe.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
However, like Tebow, if you can't help the team win, do you stay on the on the field?x.com
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Max Power
Footballguy
I think its mostly in part to a minority of owners placing him in an elite tier already. He went #6 overall in a recent SF startup I did. It's just too much of a risk for me, but the people that believe are all in. Its ripe to create the pointing out every time he messes up scenario.
Can we give the guy more than one season and a handful of real NFL game action before we write him off because of a bad decision in a preseason game? Sheesh. He’s always been a work in progress, as he wasn’t anywhere close to a refined and NFL-ready quarterback. The skills are there, clearly. What you’re looking for this year is just continued improvement. Quick reads, sound decisions, not playing overly recklessly, especially when the situation doesn’t warrant it, etc.
If I’m a Colts fan I’m excited. This team is going to be fun to watch.
If I’m a Colts fan I’m excited. This team is going to be fun to watch.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think that's a big part of the supporters' optimism - known as a very good coach with a creative mind that helped turned Jalen Hurts from a superb athlete with accuracy issues to a dynamic well-rounded QB. Many probably think he can do similar things with Richardson - time will tell.
Markus P Dub
Footballguy
Yeah his accuracy could be an issue lol. I didn't like that he missed on that 3rd and 8 and over threw a wide open Mitchell I think on a crossing route. Thought that was more telling vs the miscommunication on the pick 6. I recall the same concerns about Josh Allen before/after his rookie season that he couldn't hit wide open WR.
Chaka
Footballguy
Betting on preseason football does not seem like a long term winning strategy.
No, you couldn't have but I get your meaning.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
don't think the pick six was inaccuracy. he thought the receiver was sitting inside and he went out. still could have been Richardson's fault, but it was definitely miscommunication
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
The problem with the Tebow comparison is that Tebow could run and stay healthy. When Richardson runs, he gets hurt. 1 out of 8 healthy seasons from high school through his first year in the pros, and the only times he stayed healthy for somewhat long stretches is when his coach scales back his running, at which point he loses much of his fantasy advantage.
So we're left with either great fantasy performances but an extreme likelihood of injury, or middling fantasy performances while staying relatively healthy.
With QB being so easy to replace in fantasy, we can say oh we'll just take the great fantasy performances until he gets hurt and then replace him. But the problem with that is two-fold. Firstly, we never know when he's going to go out and play at full speed vs nurse a hammy and try to stay in the pocket all day so we end up playing him for the middling scenario without intending to. And secondly the real life coaches don't care about fantasy so it's only a matter of time before they make the choice for us and don't let him do the part where he runs around a lot, a la Kyler Murray who saw his leash for running scaled back significantly to protect him even before the major injury.
So we're left with either great fantasy performances but an extreme likelihood of injury, or middling fantasy performances while staying relatively healthy.
With QB being so easy to replace in fantasy, we can say oh we'll just take the great fantasy performances until he gets hurt and then replace him. But the problem with that is two-fold. Firstly, we never know when he's going to go out and play at full speed vs nurse a hammy and try to stay in the pocket all day so we end up playing him for the middling scenario without intending to. And secondly the real life coaches don't care about fantasy so it's only a matter of time before they make the choice for us and don't let him do the part where he runs around a lot, a la Kyler Murray who saw his leash for running scaled back significantly to protect him even before the major injury.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Hurts too.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
This was covered a bit earlier in the thread, but Richardson is not even in the same stratosphere as Hurts as a passer coming into the league.
Hurts was actually a pretty good passer as a college QB, who could also run. Richardson was basically a running back that lined up at QB and had a strong arm.
College passing stats
Hurts: 9477yds, 80 TD, 20 INT, 65% completion, 9.1 ypa
Richardson: 3105yds, 24 TD, 15 INT, 54% completion, 7.8ypa
You could've taken away Hurts' legs entirely and he would've still been a top college QB. It's a complete non-starter to even mention them in the same sentence.
The only reasonable comparison for Richardson is Josh Allen. He wasn't nearly as prolific of a runner as guys like Lamar Jackson, and not nearly as good of a passer as guys like Jalen Hurts. Josh Allen is the comp, which obviously leaves considerable upside, but a guy like Allen working out is historically pretty low percentage. I'm also not sure that Allen had nearly the same issues with staying healthy which coming into the league was ARich's other massive wart that everyone seemed to just ignore because they were too busy arguing about his accuracy.
There's nothing wrong with an upside play at QB especially in 1 QB leagues where a replacement is easy to find, so long as an appropriate price is being paid to acquire him. It's that last part where I think a lot of people got ahead of themselves.
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eighsse2
Footballguy
Was going to say ... Hurts is averaging under 190 pyd/gm over his career, and just a little over 1 ptd/gm, which both sound pretty pathetic. Then I thought, well maybe it's a volume issue, so I checked the career pyd/att leaders, where he is a hair above Joe Burrow ... So, nevermind, I think he's doing just fine!
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, I saw someone tweet that, and I don't think it was a miscommunication. It was a zone, and the S was coming up from the snap. Maybe a miscommunication, but more likely, he just shouldn't have thrown that ball. And if he does throw it, it should be on the outside shoulder, where the LB was covering the flat, and moving away from the receiver.
Richardson missed the pass. It's preseason, no big deal, and he's never going to be Dan Marino.
Thing about where he is going, he's your QB 1, and you are drafting him early. You are expecting game in game out production, and I just think ARich is gonna have some clunkers during the year. One clunker during the playoffs, and you out.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Generally in the past I've come to this message board and people seem to be either level headed or completely batsheet insane.
One pass in one preseason game. One. In preseason. Maybe the coach just decided who the pass was going to before the snap even started, because it's preseason, and they were trying to see how a certain play worked against that coverage
The most bonkers thing is people putting any money on a preseason game. You might have a problem there.
One pass in one preseason game. One. In preseason. Maybe the coach just decided who the pass was going to before the snap even started, because it's preseason, and they were trying to see how a certain play worked against that coverage
The most bonkers thing is people putting any money on a preseason game. You might have a problem there.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He was inaccurate on more than the pick 6. After that first drive he didn’t look all that good. I’m sure he will cause Colts fans to lose their hair this season. A great play followed by three bad ones.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
So Jamis Wilson with wheels?
FarFromHome
Footballguy
577 career passing yards and 3 passing tds yet being drafted as the #5 QB. I get the appeal. I get the upside. But at #5 your basically expecting him to rush for 1000 yards. That's a lot of hopeful expectation. Time will tell
Terpman22
Footballguy
Correct. Its not actually deniable.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
His rushing upside is all but guaranteed barring injury.
Todem
Footballguy
Won't finish the season again....he sneezes he get's hurt.
He has proven one thing.....he can't stay on the field.
Hard pass at his ADP....I mean seriously good luck with that.
Hey a broken clock is right two times a day.....maybe this is the year a lotto ticket like him leads to a fantasy title for someone....but I don't swing for the fences with a guy like this with a proven track record of being on the shelf more often than not.....this is not sandlot football. And his accuracy is an abortion. Tantalizing physical talent.....I get it.
He has proven one thing.....he can't stay on the field.
Hard pass at his ADP....I mean seriously good luck with that.
Hey a broken clock is right two times a day.....maybe this is the year a lotto ticket like him leads to a fantasy title for someone....but I don't swing for the fences with a guy like this with a proven track record of being on the shelf more often than not.....this is not sandlot football. And his accuracy is an abortion. Tantalizing physical talent.....I get it.
BIRDGANG52
Footballguy
I don't mind it. You can't love every player, why not hate a few?
Todem
Footballguy
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