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QB Anthony Richardson, IND (1 Viewer)

May have more upside at a different position like Terrelle Pryor or Logan Thomas.

Strong arm does not automatically equate to good passer.

Might not be the worst move to roll with Flacco and put Richardson in the zero pressure Trey Lance role for a while.

There's really no doubt that Flacco is a much better thrower right now.
The Colts have already thrown Richardson to the wolves, much like Young. I don't see them shelving him.

Are there any recent examples of teams starting their rookie QB, sitting them, and succeeding on that team? Geno, Baker, and Darnold are recent examples, but none succeeded on their original teams.

Drafting quarterbacks is highly variable. There probably isn't a right or wrong way, but the allure of hitting and having that quarterback on a rookie contract is tough to pass on.
It shouldn’t have been tough to pass on him in this situation. This was an obvious outcome.
Even when it’s unlikely. The “what if this actually works?” Is enticing.
Many people said the same things about Lamar; the rest is history. The "obvious" outcome is that many quarterbacks won't pan out. The QB graveyard is full of highly touted players who were "obvious" franchise quarterbacks

AR hasn't played an entire season yet, is 22, and is physically gifted. The Colts are going to give him another year at minimum. All of this chatter makes me want to reach out to Arich owners and see if I can pick any low-hanging fruit. If people are jumping ship, I'd love to pick up Arich as my QB2 in superflex leagues.
Lamar didn’t play his entire first season either.

He won the MVP his 2nd year and completed 66%.

AR is completing 44% in year two…
Really year 1. He has 10 starts total.
 
Way more often than not history has taught us a QB showing this lack of progression will not become another Allen story. I think it's safe to say Josh was an outlier.
Josh is the outlier in part because he didn’t have the long tenure of top level coaching most of these other high draft picks had.

He was a zero star recruit who had to play at junior college before landing in Wyoming.

He was already in the league before he had to fix basic throwing mechanics (with Jordan Palmer) that these other QBs learn in high school.

Anyone looking for the next Allen should be looking at candidates from similar situations.

Richardson does not qualify.
 
I really don’t think they need to bench him right now. To @JohnnyU ‘s point just call better plays. Yesterday in particular JT looked fantastic and was getting chunk plays on the regular, yet they hardly gave him the ball. Every play (or every other) seemed to be a deep shot down the field. Run the hell out of the ball then give AR some easy read throws or tuck and run plays and Take a few play action shots deep a game to keep D’s honest. Think Lamar in his first couple years.

Not even close to lamars first couple seasons. You could tell he was special from the first game he played
That’s not AT ALL what I was saying. I was talking about play calling not comparing the 2 players.
 
I really don’t think they need to bench him right now. To @JohnnyU ‘s point just call better plays. Yesterday in particular JT looked fantastic and was getting chunk plays on the regular, yet they hardly gave him the ball. Every play (or every other) seemed to be a deep shot down the field. Run the hell out of the ball then give AR some easy read throws or tuck and run plays and Take a few play action shots deep a game to keep D’s honest. Think Lamar in his first couple years.

Not even close to lamars first couple seasons. You could tell he was special from the first game he played
That’s not AT ALL what I was saying. I was talking about play calling not comparing the 2 players.

I hear you. But they are trying that. He cant do much of anything
 
I really don’t think they need to bench him right now. To @JohnnyU ‘s point just call better plays. Yesterday in particular JT looked fantastic and was getting chunk plays on the regular, yet they hardly gave him the ball. Every play (or every other) seemed to be a deep shot down the field. Run the hell out of the ball then give AR some easy read throws or tuck and run plays and Take a few play action shots deep a game to keep D’s honest. Think Lamar in his first couple years.

Not even close to lamars first couple seasons. You could tell he was special from the first game he played
That’s not AT ALL what I was saying. I was talking about play calling not comparing the 2 players.

I hear you. But they are trying that. He cant do much of anything
It sure didn’t seem that way watching the game. Tons of deep shots, not much running until late, no screens or dump offs to the backs, etc etc etc.
 
You can develop in the NFL but it's not really the place to develop from the ground up for a QB, you need a solid baseline of experience and both of these QB's, Lance and AR, just did not play enough football in college. Cam did it, it can be done, but what AR or Lance did in college never compared to what Cam was able to do and it's just so rare to pull off to spend this kind of capital. Cam was not just traits
The Cam comp seems off to me. Cam won the Heisman and a championship with 66% completion in the SEC in his only year as a starter. He had a lot going that very few QBs, if any with those physical traits ever has.
Richardson is a more physically imposing Malik Willis. Funny, Willis looks competent in Green Bay. But looked horrible in Nashville.
 
May have more upside at a different position like Terrelle Pryor or Logan Thomas.

Strong arm does not automatically equate to good passer.

Might not be the worst move to roll with Flacco and put Richardson in the zero pressure Trey Lance role for a while.

There's really no doubt that Flacco is a much better thrower right now.
The Colts have already thrown Richardson to the wolves, much like Young. I don't see them shelving him.

Are there any recent examples of teams starting their rookie QB, sitting them, and succeeding on that team? Geno, Baker, and Darnold are recent examples, but none succeeded on their original teams.

Drafting quarterbacks is highly variable. There probably isn't a right or wrong way, but the allure of hitting and having that quarterback on a rookie contract is tough to pass on.
It shouldn’t have been tough to pass on him in this situation. This was an obvious outcome.
Even when it’s unlikely. The “what if this actually works?” Is enticing.
Many people said the same things about Lamar; the rest is history. The "obvious" outcome is that many quarterbacks won't pan out. The QB graveyard is full of highly touted players who were "obvious" franchise quarterbacks

AR hasn't played an entire season yet, is 22, and is physically gifted. The Colts are going to give him another year at minimum. All of this chatter makes me want to reach out to Arich owners and see if I can pick any low-hanging fruit. If people are jumping ship, I'd love to pick up Arich as my QB2 in superflex leagues.
Lamar didn’t play his entire first season either.

He won the MVP his 2nd year and completed 66%.

AR is completing 44% in year two…
AR's played ten games. Calling this year two is a bit of a stretch.

NVM. Johnny beat me to it
 
The Cam comp seems off to me. Cam won the Heisman and a championship with 66% completion in the SEC in his only year as a starter.

In Richardson's only year as a starter, UF went 6-6, losing to Vanderbilt and Kentucky (in Gainesville), with a 53% SEC completion rate.
 
You can develop in the NFL but it's not really the place to develop from the ground up for a QB, you need a solid baseline of experience and both of these QB's, Lance and AR, just did not play enough football in college. Cam did it, it can be done, but what AR or Lance did in college never compared to what Cam was able to do and it's just so rare to pull off to spend this kind of capital. Cam was not just traits
The Cam comp seems off to me. Cam won the Heisman and a championship with 66% completion in the SEC in his only year as a starter. He had a lot going that very few QBs, if any with those physical traits ever has.
Richardson is a more physically imposing Malik Willis. Funny, Willis looks competent in Green Bay. But looked horrible in Nashville.
Waldman disliked Willis and loved Arich. I'm not an expert and haven't watched enough of Willis to form a meaningful opinion, so I'm leaving this to say that it might not be a good comparison. Draft Capital and the NFL agreed, too
 
The Cam comp seems off to me. Cam won the Heisman and a championship with 66% completion in the SEC in his only year as a starter.

In Richardson's only year as a starter, UF went 6-6, losing to Vanderbilt and Kentucky (in Gainesville), with a 53% SEC completion rate.
Yeah, that’s lazy for sure. Someone was comparing him to Tebow today. Why because of their low completion %? Nah, it’s due to the fact they both went to UF.
 
May have more upside at a different position like Terrelle Pryor or Logan Thomas.

Strong arm does not automatically equate to good passer.

Might not be the worst move to roll with Flacco and put Richardson in the zero pressure Trey Lance role for a while.

There's really no doubt that Flacco is a much better thrower right now.
The Colts have already thrown Richardson to the wolves, much like Young. I don't see them shelving him.

Are there any recent examples of teams starting their rookie QB, sitting them, and succeeding on that team? Geno, Baker, and Darnold are recent examples, but none succeeded on their original teams.

Drafting quarterbacks is highly variable. There probably isn't a right or wrong way, but the allure of hitting and having that quarterback on a rookie contract is tough to pass on.
It shouldn’t have been tough to pass on him in this situation. This was an obvious outcome.
Even when it’s unlikely. The “what if this actually works?” Is enticing.
Many people said the same things about Lamar; the rest is history. The "obvious" outcome is that many quarterbacks won't pan out. The QB graveyard is full of highly touted players who were "obvious" franchise quarterbacks

AR hasn't played an entire season yet, is 22, and is physically gifted. The Colts are going to give him another year at minimum. All of this chatter makes me want to reach out to Arich owners and see if I can pick any low-hanging fruit. If people are jumping ship, I'd love to pick up Arich as my QB2 in superflex leagues.
Lamar didn’t play his entire first season either.

He won the MVP his 2nd year and completed 66%.

AR is completing 44% in year two…
Really year 1. He has 10 starts total.

His whole point was that LJax similarly didn't play much in his rookie year, so LJax's year 2 was basically his "rookie year" as well.

LJax played 7 games as a rookie. So ARich is already into as many games as LJax had played by year 2. And Jackson was great right out of the gates in year two. 17-20 with 5 TDs and 0 INTs in his first game (8th career game) and never looked back.

Likewise, Lamar was great in college. Richardson was not.
 
The Cam comp seems off to me. Cam won the Heisman and a championship with 66% completion in the SEC in his only year as a starter.

In Richardson's only year as a starter, UF went 6-6, losing to Vanderbilt and Kentucky (in Gainesville), with a 53% SEC completion rate.
Yeah, that’s lazy for sure. Someone was comparing him to Tebow today. Why because of their low completion %? Nah, it’s due to the fact they both went to UF.

My point in bringing up Tebow was that he is the poster boy for inaccurate passers, and that Richardson in college was significantly less accurate than the poster boy for inaccurate passers.

The only reason I brought up UF was to show that I was not just saying this based on highlights but rather, as a Gator, someone that had seen every single pass from both of their entire careers. Most of them in person. And not even just every pass, seeing them throw on the sidelines, where Richardson struggled to place the ball accurately while warming up with 10 yard passes with the backup QB. For Richardson it went back even further, as he attended my alma matter at high school, so I saw the majority of his high school career too.

But if you want to call out my posts in this thread, go back and look at my posts throughout the history of this thread.

I essentially predicted Richardson's exact career to a Tee. I told everyone 18 months ago they were going to be shocked at how poor and inaccurate this guy was on short and intermediate passes, like nothing they'd ever seen before. I told everyone that people were going to ignore it at first, because his rushing numbers were going to be good, but that he was going to get hurt (as he always does when he runs), and then that was going to cause the coaches to reign in his running, at which point the fantasy stats were going to fall off and everyone was going to see what he really is and turn on him.

It was basically a book on exactly what happened.
 
Having AR on my 2 QB start league last year and this year and going by memory and looking at game logs, it looks like he's only played 7 full games, maybe only 6.
 
The Cam comp seems off to me. Cam won the Heisman and a championship with 66% completion in the SEC in his only year as a starter.

In Richardson's only year as a starter, UF went 6-6, losing to Vanderbilt and Kentucky (in Gainesville), with a 53% SEC completion rate.
Yeah, that’s lazy for sure. Someone was comparing him to Tebow today. Why because of their low completion %? Nah, it’s due to the fact they both went to UF.

Wow with the lazy talk. If you all read my post you'd see I acknowledged that AR did remotely accomplish what Cam did and that Cam was more then traits. The reason I mentioned Cam in relation to AR was the inexperience as I think Cam had one of the fewest pass attempts in college for any QB to be drafted in round one.

Don't mind people disagreeing but I ask that you understand what you are disagreeing to.
 
May have more upside at a different position like Terrelle Pryor or Logan Thomas.

Strong arm does not automatically equate to good passer.

Might not be the worst move to roll with Flacco and put Richardson in the zero pressure Trey Lance role for a while.

There's really no doubt that Flacco is a much better thrower right now.
The Colts have already thrown Richardson to the wolves, much like Young. I don't see them shelving him.

Are there any recent examples of teams starting their rookie QB, sitting them, and succeeding on that team? Geno, Baker, and Darnold are recent examples, but none succeeded on their original teams.

Drafting quarterbacks is highly variable. There probably isn't a right or wrong way, but the allure of hitting and having that quarterback on a rookie contract is tough to pass on.
It shouldn’t have been tough to pass on him in this situation. This was an obvious outcome.
Even when it’s unlikely. The “what if this actually works?” Is enticing.
Many people said the same things about Lamar; the rest is history. The "obvious" outcome is that many quarterbacks won't pan out. The QB graveyard is full of highly touted players who were "obvious" franchise quarterbacks

AR hasn't played an entire season yet, is 22, and is physically gifted. The Colts are going to give him another year at minimum. All of this chatter makes me want to reach out to Arich owners and see if I can pick any low-hanging fruit. If people are jumping ship, I'd love to pick up Arich as my QB2 in superflex leagues.
Lamar didn’t play his entire first season either.

He won the MVP his 2nd year and completed 66%.

AR is completing 44% in year two…
AR's played ten games. Calling this year two is a bit of a stretch.

NVM. Johnny beat me to it
You're the one who compared him to Lamar.
 
The dynasty players can continue to argue, the redraft players are cutting bait (if not done already).
I’m on the fence about cutting him with a deep roster. If there was a good usable player I’d probably do it but I’m starting Tua with Darnold next up. Most likely he’ll just keep wasting a spot. Best players available are Elijah Moore and slayton, which I guess might help more than AR15 at this point. :shrug:
 
AR seems to be one of those QBs who would have benefited from sitting 2-3 years like Love did. Love looked horrible whenever he got in in his first couple years.

Sitting behind a vet, practicing and learning the NFL game and the results might have been different. Some guys never recover from being thrown into the fire too early and unprepared.
 
The dynasty players can continue to argue, the redraft players are cutting bait (if not done already).
I’m on the fence about cutting him with a deep roster. If there was a good usable player I’d probably do it but I’m starting Tua with Darnold next up. Most likely he’ll just keep wasting a spot. Best players available are Elijah Moore and slayton, which I guess might help more than AR15 at this point. :shrug:
Slayton was the difference in my FBG bowl game this week.
 
He's sucking and he took himself out of the game while not injured. Yea this dude deserves to be benched. At least colts didn't give him the big bag yet.
 
ouch - to be benched this early is bad. They are essentially giving up on him.
It may be a "the sooner, the better" situation?

To me, he's always screamed bust. He wasn't a good passer in college. His final college game was 9/27. And the NFL/Colts fell in love with his measurables. He's big and fast and athletic.

People in this thread were high fiving each other and telling the "haters" to take a day off after the combine.

Like, cool. He's super athletic. People know he's supposed to be quarterback, right? Can he pass the football?

The Colts have found out the hard way, he cannot.
 
I mean, I'm not here to die on the hill that the Colts are a playoff team.

But they played Houston within 2 and 3. They played GB to within 6. They actually beat a good Pittsburgh team. I certainly don't think the Jets scare anyone. They have Buffalo and Detroit at home. And while I would probably take Buffalo and Detroit to win, I don't think it's a given by any stretch.

Then they end the year with 3 against TN, NYG, and Jax.

Again, I'm not here to die on the hill or bet money that Indy makes the playoffs. But I certainly think it's in play. And I think playing their best players rather than suffering through 44% passing is the right move.
 
ouch - to be benched this early is bad. They are essentially giving up on him.
To be fair, tapping out did him in
Seems like a reach
I coach my daughter's 15u travel softball team, earlier this year we had a pitcher give up while on the mound.

Just said she couldn't do it, and started walking off the field.

we seriously had coach meetings(okay we drank booze) about letting this girl go. Cooler heads prevailed, but it was a serious consideration.




Giving up on your team means something.
 
ouch - to be benched this early is bad. They are essentially giving up on him.
To be fair, tapping out did him in
Seems like a reach
I coach my daughter's 15u travel softball team, earlier this year we had a pitcher give up while on the mound.

Just said she couldn't do it, and started walking off the field.

we seriously had coach meetings(okay we drank booze) about letting this girl go. Cooler heads prevailed, but it was a serious consideration.




Giving up on your team means something.
AR didn't give up on his team. He was running and got tackled hard and needed a 30 second rest. Isn't that what we want players to do, so they don't have a bad play or get injured when they can barely breathe.
 
ouch - to be benched this early is bad. They are essentially giving up on him.
To be fair, tapping out did him in
Seems like a reach
I coach my daughter's 15u travel softball team, earlier this year we had a pitcher give up while on the mound.

Just said she couldn't do it, and started walking off the field.

we seriously had coach meetings(okay we drank booze) about letting this girl go. Cooler heads prevailed, but it was a serious consideration.




Giving up on your team means something.
With 15-year-olds it could be something completely unrelated to sports or the game that makes them feel like giving up, even during a game.
With adults like Richardson, it's different.
 

Richardson is Trey Lance all over again.

I was the only person in America that gave Lance an undraftable free agent grade prior to the 2021 NFL Draft. On his college game film, it was clear that Lance was an athlete who was trying to be a QB.

Teams need QBs who are polished passers. If they are also mobile, sure that’s a huge plus, but first and foremost, teams need QBs who specialize in throwing the football.

That’s not Richardson.
 
ouch - to be benched this early is bad. They are essentially giving up on him.
To be fair, tapping out did him in
Seems like a reach
I coach my daughter's 15u travel softball team, earlier this year we had a pitcher give up while on the mound.

Just said she couldn't do it, and started walking off the field.

we seriously had coach meetings(okay we drank booze) about letting this girl go. Cooler heads prevailed, but it was a serious consideration.




Giving up on your team means something.
AR didn't give up on his team. He was running and got tackled hard and needed a 30 second rest. Isn't that what we want players to do, so they don't have a bad play or get injured when they can barely breathe.
C'mon. Are you serious?
 
AR didn't give up on his team. He was running and got tackled hard and needed a 30 second rest. Isn't that what we want players to do, so they don't have a bad play or get injured when they can barely breathe.
I have no idea why people are pretending they have any idea whatsoever what tapping out for a play means to his long term stature with the team.
 
I mean, I'm not here to die on the hill that the Colts are a playoff team.

But they played Houston within 2 and 3. They played GB to within 6. They actually beat a good Pittsburgh team. I certainly don't think the Jets scare anyone. They have Buffalo and Detroit at home. And while I would probably take Buffalo and Detroit to win, I don't think it's a given by any stretch.

Then they end the year with 3 against TN, NYG, and Jax.

Again, I'm not here to die on the hill or bet money that Indy makes the playoffs. But I certainly think it's in play. And I think playing their best players rather than suffering through 44% passing is the right move.
to be fair Texans play just about everyone to within a score I wouldn't hold that as a reason why a team should make postseaon. That said they should be in the hunt but long term probably worse since they will need to find a long term QB.
 
AR didn't give up on his team. He was running and got tackled hard and needed a 30 second rest. Isn't that what we want players to do, so they don't have a bad play or get injured when they can barely breathe.
I have no idea why people are pretending they have any idea whatsoever what tapping out for a play means to his long term stature with the team.
Likely a reset - he’ll probabaly be back in there if/when the Colts are out of the playoff picture. Or if Flacco suffers a thumb injury in a car accident.
 
Are the Colts headed to the geezer at QB in 2025 and beyond? What will Flacco give you, 9 wins and a first round exit if you make the playoff? Are they satisfied with mediocrity? No matter what Flacco does the rest of the season he's not leading you to a Super Bowl. Neither is Richardson, but at least one can hope for the future, even if it doesn't work out. What hope do you have for the future with Joe Flacco? Sounds to me like a couple of guys trying to save their job NOW. I was happy they finally took a risk with Richardson, but now they are back to the same old band-aid and the same old Colts.
 
ouch - to be benched this early is bad. They are essentially giving up on him.
To be fair, tapping out did him in
Seems like a reach
I coach my daughter's 15u travel softball team, earlier this year we had a pitcher give up while on the mound.

Just said she couldn't do it, and started walking off the field.

we seriously had coach meetings(okay we drank booze) about letting this girl go. Cooler heads prevailed, but it was a serious consideration.




Giving up on your team means something.
AR didn't give up on his team. He was running and got tackled hard and needed a 30 second rest. Isn't that what we want players to do, so they don't have a bad play or get injured when they can barely breathe.
Can't do it at QB. Lie and say you hurt something then go back in. The difference matters.
 
ouch - to be benched this early is bad. They are essentially giving up on him.
To be fair, tapping out did him in
Seems like a reach
I coach my daughter's 15u travel softball team, earlier this year we had a pitcher give up while on the mound.

Just said she couldn't do it, and started walking off the field.

we seriously had coach meetings(okay we drank booze) about letting this girl go. Cooler heads prevailed, but it was a serious consideration.




Giving up on your team means something.
AR didn't give up on his team. He was running and got tackled hard and needed a 30 second rest. Isn't that what we want players to do, so they don't have a bad play or get injured when they can barely breathe.
Can't do it at QB. Lie and say you hurt something then go back in. The difference matters.
I really don't think they were going to keep playing him with his 44% completions and decided THAT was the breaking point.

If he was playing better, he'd be playing in spite of tapping his helmet to come out.
He's playing poorly, and was probably getting benched regardless.
 

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