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QB Baker Mayfield, TB (3 Viewers)

Team Smokin' said:
As a Lions fan I'm rooting for the Browns and Baker. I can only imagine the receivers and the adjustment to catching bullets. Landry had one benefit into his chest.
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That one EZ pass was had so much heat on it, the defender had no chance to intercept it.

 
20 of Mayfield's 23 passes were deemed "catchable" today (87.0 percent).

Tyrod Taylor ranks dead-last of 32 QBs in catchable pass percentage (53.5 percent).

 
Browns are .500 and have a legit shot at a winning season.

8-7-1 gets Mayfield ROY and Hue Jackson takes down Coach of the Year IMO.

 
There was one throw he made, where he lazered a pass that whizzed rite past 3 defenders and rite into a Browns' WR# hands. 

It gave me actual chills. No browns qb in the last god knows how many yrs has made that pass

Unreal

 
zamboni said:
The most impressive thing is that while he has obviously been preparing, Mayfield was pressed into duty during the middle of the game not expecting to see the field for some time. I may be missing something, but I can't remember the last time a big-time rookie did what he did right up right off the bat. Guys like Wentz, Newton and RGIII (when he was good) had a lot of time to prepare as the starter, but Mayfield was just thrown to the wolves on a big stage against another hot-shot rookie QB and just delivered.

Sky's the limit with this guy - congrats on turning around the franchise, Cleveland (coming from a hapless Jets fan).
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Wentz was going to be QB3 opening day and only had a week to prepare as starter after Bradford was traded to MIN but I agree with your overall point.  Baker is very impressive.

 
How is it he hasn’t been named starter yet? Considering Hue wants everyone sleeping at the facility you would have thought he could have met Tyrod by now and said, “ya, that happened so uh, you know, it’s not you it’s me”.

 
zamboni said:
The most impressive thing is that while he has obviously been preparing, Mayfield was pressed into duty during the middle of the game not expecting to see the field for some time. I may be missing something, but I can't remember the last time a big-time rookie did what he did right up right off the bat. Guys like Wentz, Newton and RGIII (when he was good) had a lot of time to prepare as the starter, but Mayfield was just thrown to the wolves on a big stage against another hot-shot rookie QB and just delivered.

Sky's the limit with this guy - congrats on turning around the franchise, Cleveland (coming from a hapless Jets fan).
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In Wentz's rookie season in 2016, he got injured the first preseason game and didn't play another snap of the preseason.  He was slated to be the #3 QB behind Sam Bradford and Chase Daniel.  The Eagles traded Bradford a week before the season started.  Wentz was named the starter on September 5th less than a week before the first game with almost zero preseason work.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000695354/article/carson-wentz-named-eagles-starting-quarterback

 
I'll back Hue up on this one. He reserves the right to tell Tyrod he's not starting to his face, not to a reporter right after the game ends. The guy suffered a concussion and was hurting, no need to rub salt in the wound by finding out he's not starting on Twitter instead of from his coach.

Now if Hue comes out today and says Tyrod is the starter, then f him.

 
zamboni said:
The most impressive thing is that while he has obviously been preparing, Mayfield was pressed into duty during the middle of the game not expecting to see the field for some time. I may be missing something, but I can't remember the last time a big-time rookie did what he did right up right off the bat. Guys like Wentz, Newton and RGIII (when he was good) had a lot of time to prepare as the starter, but Mayfield was just thrown to the wolves on a big stage against another hot-shot rookie QB and just delivered.

Sky's the limit with this guy - congrats on turning around the franchise, Cleveland (coming from a hapless Jets fan).
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Big Ben

 
zamboni said:
The most impressive thing is that while he has obviously been preparing, Mayfield was pressed into duty during the middle of the game not expecting to see the field for some time. I may be missing something, but I can't remember the last time a big-time rookie did what he did right up right off the bat. Guys like Wentz, Newton and RGIII (when he was good) had a lot of time to prepare as the starter, but Mayfield was just thrown to the wolves on a big stage against another hot-shot rookie QB and just delivered.

Sky's the limit with this guy - congrats on turning around the franchise, Cleveland (coming from a hapless Jets fan).
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Mariota was almost perfect his first game. 2 or 3 incompletions, 4 TDs, and player of the week.

But he was expectant, so I think Baker's was more challenging.

 
How is the line doing? I've seen too many rookie QBs get destroyed by a bad line. 

As I said months ago, I wouldn't play him til the line could reasonably protect. 

So how are they looking without Thomas?

 
Bri said:
How is the line doing? I've seen too many rookie QBs get destroyed by a bad line. 

As I said months ago, I wouldn't play him til the line could reasonably protect. 

So how are they looking without Thomas?
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Night and day difference the minute Mayfield stepped on the field. It was literally like a switch was flipped. Tyrod was just tough to block for, held the ball too long and when the pocket started to collapse didn't seem to move around, just looked for the running lane. Mayfield came in and moved the pocket around but did not look to run, his eyes were downfield the whole time. Just really good QB play, great pocket presence, made the whole team look better, running and passing.

 
Soulfly3 said:
absolute STUD.
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Please don't. Please. Not for mine or your sake, but for Baker's. I know you're dying to be right about something, but the SOULCURSE is real. Please. Please don't. Please. 

 
Bojang0301 said:
How is it he hasn’t been named starter yet? Considering Hue wants everyone sleeping at the facility you would have thought he could have met Tyrod by now and said, “ya, that happened so uh, you know, it’s not you it’s me”.
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What's the rush?  They won't be practicing today.  Hue's not that smart nor a very good coach but there is no chance a healthy Baker Mayfield isn't starting week 4. He's not that stupid to bench him.

 
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Snotbubbles said:
In Wentz's rookie season in 2016, he got injured the first preseason game and didn't play another snap of the preseason.  He was slated to be the #3 QB behind Sam Bradford and Chase Daniel.  The Eagles traded Bradford a week before the season started.  Wentz was named the starter on September 5th less than a week before the first game with almost zero preseason work.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000695354/article/carson-wentz-named-eagles-starting-quarterback
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Fair enough - Wentz isn't a good example, but I think the point stands about Mayfield truly coming in cold.

 
Sebowski said:
Please don't. Please. Not for mine or your sake, but for Baker's. I know you're dying to be right about something, but the SOULCURSE is real. Please. Please don't. Please. 
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I counter any curse he may give off. Baker is the real deal. I know QBs and this guy is 100% legit and will be the dominate QB in the division for the next 15 years. Barring injury, he's gonna be top 5 in the NFL soon. He's a force to be reckoned with.

 
Baker Mayfield shows world he’s ready to lead Browns: ‘He grabbed it by the horns,’ Jarvis Landry says
 

“It’s just a testament to how he has worked since the day he stepped into this building and not having that backup mentality,” wide receiver Jarvis Landry said. “He was so ready for this moment. He was prepared for this moment. He grabbed it by the horns.”

“Never doubt 6,” receiver Jarvis Landry told reporters after the 21-17 victory over the Jets. “Never doubt 6. Never doubted him.”

. . . . He is special. He is really special. . . . He took advantage of the moment and the opportunity. We always have seen him make these plays. As far back as when the Baker Mayfield story had started, he has always made these types of plays. It is awesome to be a part of it.”

Landry’s role included throwing the two-point conversion that tied the game at 14 to Mayfield on a play the Browns had practiced but with Mayfield not on the field as the quarterback/receiver.

“We were on the sideline,” Landry said. “He comes to me and says, ‘Your ### better throw me that ball. No matter what.’ I said, ‘I got you.’ It is something that we have been working on for a couple of weeks. He was ready for the opportunity. There is something about the professionalism that he has brought. To not even have had repped that play before but still do it the way that he did it and be effective and tie the game up for us.”

“Dilly dilly to the Cleveland fans!” Mayfield said.

“This one is definitely up there [with the best wins I’ve had], being the first NFL game that I’ve played in. First regular-season one that actually counts, it’s definitely up there for me. I’ve had some great memories, but I’m just getting started.”

″[The key is] being decisive on where I wanted to put the ball, just attacking,” Mayfield added. “You want to put them on your heels. When you do that, the offense builds confidence. The defense will see that. They start to build that as well. The crowd gets into it.”
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Sebowski said:
Please don't. Please. Not for mine or your sake, but for Baker's. I know you're dying to be right about something, but the SOULCURSE is real. Please. Please don't. Please. 
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This. I love ya, @Soulfly3 but please, for Browns fans across the globe, slow your roll on this one. Let’s not ruin a good thing. 

 
Some rookie fever going on in this thread.

From my eye the competition is pretty close between Tyrod and Baker. One cautiously holds onto the ball, so will put up less stats. The other trusts what he sees and slings it around. On a team with a good defense, you could see the value of the former.

But those of you saying Baker Mayfield >> Tyrod Taylor should consider a few things:

  • The running game helped Baker Mayfield, and the play calling as such - you know, trying to establish the run. Tyrod got little help last night
  • Baker Mayfield threw a should've been interception in the red-zone.
  • Tyrod Taylor also led come back victories the last 2 games, except the kicker effed it up both times.
  • Mayfield is not Joe Cool. At least 3 times he panicked last night, exiting pocket for no reason. Getting rid of the ball quick is his thing.
Mayfield definitely helps the passing game, no doubt. He gets rid of the ball and has a lot more accuracy. If I owned any of Njoku, Johnson, Callaway, or Landry, I'm hoping he gets the nod. He might be the best QB on the team anyway. But I feel like Tyrod is better than he gets credit for and this coaching staff hasn't helped him. If they can't play to his strengths they may as well go with Mayfield who fits in the traditional offense.

 
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cloppbeast said:
Some rookie fever going on in this thread.

From my eye the competition is pretty close between Tyrod and Baker. Not sure what game you watched last night but there was no comparison between the two, none. One cautiously holds onto the ball, so will put up less stats. The other trusts what he sees and slings it around. On a team with a good defense, you could see the value of the former.

But those of you saying Baker Mayfield >> Tyrod Taylor should consider a few things:

  • The running game helped Baker Mayfield, and the play calling as such - you know, trying to establish the run. Tyrod got little help last night Same coach calling the same plays in the same offense and they rushed for more yards in the first half (76) as opposed to the second (57)
  • Baker Mayfield threw a should've been interception in the red-zone. No arguments, rookie trying to make a play, gonna happen...but it didn't
  • Tyrod Taylor also led come back victories the last 2 games, except the kicker effed it up both times. Tyrod last night was not going to lead anything but another loss parade. Dude just didn't have it last night
  • Mayfield is not Joe Cool. At least 3 times he panicked last night, exiting pocket for no reason. Getting rid of the ball quick is his thing. Maybe so but I don't recall it that way. The Jets were bringing pressure all night, Mayfield dealt with it, Tyrod tucked it and ran or ate it. Getting rid of the ball quick is a good thing, check the NFL stats.
Mayfield definitely helps the passing game, no doubt. He gets rid of the ball and has a lot more accuracy. If I owned any of Njoku, Johnson, Callaway, or Landry, I'm hoping he gets the nod. He might be the best QB on the team anyway. But I feel like Tyrod is better than he gets credit for and this coaching staff hasn't helped him. If they can't play to his strengths they may as well go with Mayfield who fits in the traditional offense.

The bolded above is kinda funny to me, you say it like it's a knock against Mayfield. I think you saw the apex of what Tyrod could do last week with a 94.6 passer rating (22 of 30 for 246yds & a sweet bomb on the fingertips of Calloway for 6). I don't know what Mayfield's ceiling is but he damn near had that last night in a half of football and he was spinning the rock better than any QB the Browns have had on the roster in the last decade. If you watched the game it was evident from the first pass the zip this kid has on the ball is markedly better than Tyrod and he put the ball on the money damn near every throw. He will have a let down, no question but for the first time since Bernie Kosar was our QB I felt completely comfortable with our signal caller and never had the thought that if we got down, we wouldn't come right back. It's been a long time coming.
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cloppbeast said:
Some rookie fever going on in this thread.

From my eye the competition is pretty close between Tyrod and Baker. One cautiously holds onto the ball, so will put up less stats. The other trusts what he sees and slings it around. On a team with a good defense, you could see the value of the former.

But those of you saying Baker Mayfield >> Tyrod Taylor should consider a few things:

  • The running game helped Baker Mayfield, and the play calling as such - you know, trying to establish the run. Tyrod got little help last night
  • Baker Mayfield threw a should've been interception in the red-zone.
  • Tyrod Taylor also led come back victories the last 2 games, except the kicker effed it up both times.
  • Mayfield is not Joe Cool. At least 3 times he panicked last night, exiting pocket for no reason. Getting rid of the ball quick is his thing.
Mayfield definitely helps the passing game, no doubt. He gets rid of the ball and has a lot more accuracy. If I owned any of Njoku, Johnson, Callaway, or Landry, I'm hoping he gets the nod. He might be the best QB on the team anyway. But I feel like Tyrod is better than he gets credit for and this coaching staff hasn't helped him. If they can't play to his strengths they may as well go with Mayfield who fits in the traditional offense.
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LOL. the highlighted part. :lmao:  What a joke. You could have saved a lot of time with the phrase: One is an starting NFL QB the other is not.

The coaching staff can't play to a QBs strengths when he has none.

 
cloppbeast said:
From my eye the competition is pretty close between Tyrod and Baker. One cautiously holds onto the ball, so will put up less stats. The other trusts what he sees and slings it around. On a team with a good defense, you could see the value of the former.
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Um no.

Taylor has a history of holding the ball too long and taking more sacks than he should but a direct comparison against the same defense shows the value of the latter.

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Last night vs NYJ...

  • Baker Mayfield: 2.57 sec/throw..
  • Tyrod Taylor: 3.12 sec/throw!
Throws UNDER 2.5sec

  • Baker:88% comp, 109.8 rating
  • Tyrod:16%, 39.6 rating
On throws 2.6sec or MORE

  • Baker: 33%, 47.2 rating
  • Tyrod: 37%, 45.8 rating
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His sack rate percentage from last year was at 9.9% which ranked 33rd out of 34 QBs that qualified which is terrible no matter how hard you may try to spin it.  EDIT His sack rate this year was at 13.4% which was abysmal.  (Baker 4.3% in small sample)

Where he excelled last year, completion rate and low interception rate wasn't evident with the Browns for whatever reason but his inability to get the ball out and holding the ball too long and taking sacks unfortunately has carried over as has his low TD rate.

Last year  (Touchdowns = 14 Rank #25/34 min 6 Games Started. Interceptions 4 out of 420 pass attempts)

  • TD rate of 3.3%
  • INT rate 1%
  • COMP PER 62.6%
This year  (Touchdowns = 2 out of 84 attempts and Interceptions 2) which translates to:

  • TD rate of 2.4%
  • INT rate 2.4%
  • COMP PER 48.8%
I kept waiting to see a better completion rate but he wasn't connecting and although his interception rate isn't terrible comparably to the rest of the league it was twice the exceptional rate he held last year.  

Basically we saw the worst of Tyrod Taylor and were missing the best of what he was 'supposed' to bring and Mayfield brought it against the exact same defense on the same night without any first team reps.

 
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Statistics from one half of football are meaningless. Tiny little mini baby sized sample. 

 
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Ilov80s said:
Statistics from one half of football are meaningless. Tiny little mini baby sized sample. 
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Tyrod Talor has entire NFL seasons of stats that can be carried forward and are statistically significant and the only stats that strongly carried over pretty much sucked.

Mayfield's release and Taylor's release are well documented.  Taylor holds the ball too long and takes too many sacks as a result of holding the ball too long.

Mayfield comes from a spread offense where his sole responsibility was to see the mismatch and fling it, IOWs to get the ball out ASAP and in the itty-bitty tinnie-winnie sample size that you say is not relevant it sure as heck-fire looked like classic Baker Mayfield in the spread getting the rock out ASAP.

Unfortunately reality comes into play over statistical relevancy because you cannot create parallel worlds, one of Ty Taylor and one of Mayfield to give each the exact same situations and reps so we have to go on what we see and make reasonable extrapolations and the one to discount is that the competition was 'pretty close' because it wasn't.

 
Avoiding INT's like Taylor does doesn't mean a whole lot if you aren't making plays.  His career YPA is only 7.0 (pretty mediocre by today's standards) and he has thrown 53 touchdowns in 47 games since going to the Bills (not counting his Baltimore career where he played in 14 Ravens games and never threw a TD).  He is not very good. 

While it was only one half (plus), Mayfield showed that he can make plays.  I have my doubts about him long-term, but he looked like the real deal the other night and the Browns would be really stupid to not go with him as the starter now.  It seems obvious, but I wouldn't put anything past a head coach with a record of 2-32-1. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Statistics from one half of football are meaningless. Tiny little mini baby sized sample. 
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Perhaps.  Perhaps not.  Long term statistics are just a compilation of a bunch of small samples. But you can watch Mayfield’s play and make some solid judgments - the way the team responds to him, the quick release, the hyper accuracy, the footwork under center, the command of the O. That’s all there to see.

 
Bronco Billy said:
Perhaps.  Perhaps not.  Long term statistics are just a compilation of a bunch of small samples. But you can watch Mayfield’s play and make some solid judgments - the way the team responds to him, the quick release, the hyper accuracy, the footwork under center, the command of the O. That’s all there to see.
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And Jeff Bezos 5,728,073 billion dollars is really just a bunch of pennies. 

Bracie Smathers said:
Tyrod Talor has entire NFL seasons of stats that can be carried forward and are statistically significant and the only stats that strongly carried over pretty much sucked.

Mayfield's release and Taylor's release are well documented.  Taylor holds the ball too long and takes too many sacks as a result of holding the ball too long.

Mayfield comes from a spread offense where his sole responsibility was to see the mismatch and fling it, IOWs to get the ball out ASAP and in the itty-bitty tinnie-winnie sample size that you say is not relevant it sure as heck-fire looked like classic Baker Mayfield in the spread getting the rock out ASAP.

Unfortunately reality comes into play over statistical relevancy because you cannot create parallel worlds, one of Ty Taylor and one of Mayfield to give each the exact same situations and reps so we have to go on what we see and make reasonable extrapolations and the one to discount is that the competition was 'pretty close' because it wasn't.
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I agree with most of your post but I would love to see you prove the bolded. 

 
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