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QB Baker Mayfield, TB (4 Viewers)

Bracie Smathers said:
The Raiders gave up 42 points and that is valid information.  You've made person nitpicks with my posts so let me return the favor you seem to discount and deconstruct things you don't want to hear so what information do you consider real information because if you are trying to project his production then start with the 42 and how that happened because you can bet that other teams will not want to give up 42 points and take their chances that they'll get 4 turnovers since the Raiders only forced one, the others were from a WR slip and batted ball, a bad center exchange when Mayfield was trying to audible and the center didn't realize he wasn't behind him, and a deep shot with 15 seconds left in regulation time.  Three of those turnovers were gifts and which will get cleaned up.

What Mayfield did is attack the middle of the field with high velocity/low trajectory throws that hit tight windows but the high velocity probably lead to many drops as noted by people who saw the game.  Since Baker hadn't taken any 1st team reps his receivers are trying to get used to his throws and the way the ball comes off his hand/spin rate etc.  The timing isn't quite there because his ball gets their faster and with more heat.  The timing will improve. 

Even though they said he knew all of the playbook and they'd use it, they didn't.  They used and re-used a limited variety of plays and some of them didn't work so expect them to do more installs for Baker and to see what works and doesn't and that the play calling 'should' get tighter but I will tip my hat to Haley because he put up more points than anyone expected.

Haley's play calling was very aggressive and Mayfield seemed to have some audible wiggle-room and he was also very aggressive when it appeared he made an audible.  I did not agree with some of the play calling and throw choices since it seemed Mayfield took deep low-percentage shots when the Browns were up by two TDs late in the 3rd when game management dictated clock control with runs and/or shorter high-percent throw choices.  Bottom line, Baker will get fed more of the playbook and it will get tailored to his strengths/minimize his weakness'.

Many things lead to the high score, the turnovers to let the Raiders back in the game which forced the Browns to put the peddle down, the quick scores by Mayfield and Chubb turned the ball back over to the Raider offense which gassed the Browns pass rush and a key injury to the Browns defensive backfield gave Carr an open gate to one side of the field.  Pretty much a perfect storm for a high score provided the QB can make plays and  Baker made plays.   

Much tougher test this week against the Ravens who shut down Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh.  I never expected the scoring fest of the first start but I doubt we'll see a repeat this week.
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Thank you .. this is worth reading.

The all time highest PFF rating after one half of football might be useful as trivia.  This is actual information I can use to make decisions.  :thumbup:

 
He's been really close to two blow up type games. He's getting ready to throw for 300+ and 3-4 TDs soon. It's coming...….

 
Remember when the other rookie QBs were better? And he should go late first maybe second?

 
matuski said:
The all time highest PFF rating after one half of football might be useful as trivia. 
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Alone the highest PFF rating after his first game where his numbers qualified as the best ever would be trivia but that is another data point.  The sequence leading up to that stat comes on the heels of other impressive numbers that would be stand-alone trivia if they were one-off but their were other data points

The highest efficiency rating two years running in college is another. Baker Mayfield is having the most efficient passing season in the history of college football. Again.   Tons of other numbers that made him stand out as one of (if not thee best) QB prospect(s) of all time.  Baker MayfieldP is not only the best quarterback prospect in this class, he is the best quarterback prospect ever.

Selected as the top pick by John Dorsey who moved up to take Patrick Mayhomes last year means Dorsey felt Mayfield's skills would transfer to the NFL. 

Many questioned if Baker had NFL skills.  The air raid 'spread offense', the height, people even thought or assumed since he was short and that a prototypical QB like Josh Allen with a cannon was in this draft class that Baker lacked arm strength but Baker has a cannon.  Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield were the only quarterbacks who topped 60 MPH on the radar gun during the NFL Scouting Combine.

The Browns were waiting to get the rest of the team up to speed before they put him in.  The offensive line is coming around but the receivers outside of Jarvis Landry haven't stepped up but he's been able to elevate guys like Rashard Higgins (who broke off his route that lead to Baker's only INT against the Ravens) and get the most out of Njuko (who is still dropping passes every game).  Just think if that stoner moron Josh Gordon actually put in the effort and what Mayfield's numbers could be but he's got Antonio Callaway and some guy named Derrik Willies yet he still threw for over 340 yards against the Ravens.

They are going to keep putting the ball in his hands but he could use a few more reliable WRs before he really shows what he can do IMHO.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Alone the highest PFF rating after his first game where his numbers qualified as the best ever would be trivia but that is another data point.  The sequence leading up to that stat comes on the heels of other impressive numbers that would be stand-alone trivia if they were one-off but their were other data points

The highest efficiency rating two years running in college is another. Baker Mayfield is having the most efficient passing season in the history of college football. Again.   Tons of other numbers that made him stand out as one of (if not thee best) QB prospect(s) of all time.  Baker MayfieldP is not only the best quarterback prospect in this class, he is the best quarterback prospect ever.

Selected as the top pick by John Dorsey who moved up to take Patrick Mayhomes last year means Dorsey felt Mayfield's skills would transfer to the NFL. 

Many questioned if Baker had NFL skills.  The air raid 'spread offense', the height, people even thought or assumed since he was short and that a prototypical QB like Josh Allen with a cannon was in this draft class that Baker lacked arm strength but Baker has a cannon.  Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield were the only quarterbacks who topped 60 MPH on the radar gun during the NFL Scouting Combine.

The Browns were waiting to get the rest of the team up to speed before they put him in.  The offensive line is coming around but the receivers outside of Jarvis Landry haven't stepped up but he's been able to elevate guys like Rashard Higgins (who broke off his route that lead to Baker's only INT against the Ravens) and get the most out of Njuko (who is still dropping passes every game).  Just think if that stoner moron Josh Gordon actually put in the effort and what Mayfield's numbers could be but he's got Antonio Callaway and some guy named Derrik Willies yet he still threw for over 340 yards against the Ravens.

They are going to keep putting the ball in his hands but he could use a few more reliable WRs before he really shows what he can do IMHO.
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He's been closer than people think to two monster games. They were still solid but they could have been similar to the first couple games Mahomes had.......

 
Some numbers to give some perspective on the team and Baker.

Baker has been under a lot of pressure as the Browns allow the 5th most pressure in the league.

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https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1050452176622026752

NFL Matchup on ESPN‏Verified account @NFLMatchup

What are two of the most important things in today's #NFL? Getting after the QB & PROTECTING THE QB. These teams allow the least & most pressure on their QBs this season.

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He struggles to be effective outside of the pocket with a QB passer rating 3rd worst in the league for plays outside the pocket.

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1050122921014947840

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When the play breaks down (or by design), a Quarterback's ability to create OUTSIDE THE POCKET can be a major help to his team.

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The odd thing is that when Baker is under pressure and can stay in the pocket he ranks third in the entire NFL.

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1049794541358895105

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Quarterbacks must be able to deliver in an imperfect pocket / under pressure in order to have sustained success in the NFL.

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He hasn't been helped by his receivers as the Browns have, by far, the highest drop rate of any team in the league.

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1049814906592251904

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Think your team drops too many passes? Confirm or dispel this notion right here...and #Browns fans, you were right.

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Browns lead league in most 20 yard or greater passes thrown this season.

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1049704697135865856

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Throwing it deep opens up the short and intermediate pass game and creates the opportunity for big plays- these teams THROW DEEP the most and least!

 
I picked baker up and playin him to cover brees this week.  Over Dalton, Tanny, trubiski, etc.

290 yds.  W 3 tds.  One running.

That stadium will be nuts.  Go browns.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
He struggles to be effective outside of the pocket with a QB passer rating 3rd worst in the league for plays outside the pocket.

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1050122921014947840

NFL Matchup on ESPN‏Verified account @NFLMatchup

When the play breaks down (or by design), a Quarterback's ability to create OUTSIDE THE POCKET can be a major help to his team.

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He hasn't been helped by his receivers as the Browns have, by far, the highest drop rate of any team in the league.

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1049814906592251904

NFL Matchup on ESPN‏Verified account @NFLMatchup

Think your team drops too many passes? Confirm or dispel this notion right here...and #Browns fans, you were right.




 
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The outside the pocket stat also has to do with the WRs and how they handle a broken play and the QBs rapport with them. There's probably some percent here that just needs to be discarded because his WRs keep changing/getting injured and very little time with them.

Rishard Matthews posted a pic of Landry's hand and zoomed in on messed up fingers just like we used to read about Favre's WRs. His text was "everyone complains you dropped the ball :-) " Some fan had a funny reply "Perriman will sit two seasons with jammed fingers."

 
Bri said:
The outside the pocket stat also has to do with the WRs and how they handle a broken play and the QBs rapport with them. There's probably some percent here that just needs to be discarded because his WRs keep changing/getting injured and very little time with them.

Rishard Matthews posted a pic of Landry's hand and zoomed in on messed up fingers just like we used to read about Favre's WRs. His text was "everyone complains you dropped the ball :-) " Some fan had a funny reply "Perriman will sit two seasons with jammed fingers."
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The WRs also have a big effect on plays breaking down while Baker is inside the pocket.  If they were making plays while Baker was inside the pocket he would only have to bail if his protection collapsed and it did more than a few times against Baltimore who bull rushed Harrison with T-Sizzle.  Harrison's 'primary' weakness is upper body strength and Suggs took advantage.  Suggs gives tons of OTs fits so we'll have to see if Harrison can handle 'lessor' pass rushers who aren't quite as beastly.

How on earth did Rishard Mathews get a pic of Landry's hand?  Teams fine players for sharing ANY injury photos so if Rishard is trying to land an NFL job he should not share a photograph like that.

Add, I figured Landy is dealing with injury(ies) because his production has dropped from early in the season and he has not looked himself over the past three weeks.  He's gutting it out but he just seems 'off' a bit IMHO.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
The WRs also have a big effect on plays breaking down while Baker is inside the pocket.  If they were making plays while Baker was inside the pocket he would only have to bail if his protection collapsed and it did more than a few times against Baltimore who bull rushed Harrison with T-Sizzle.  Harrison's 'primary' weakness is upper body strength and Suggs took advantage.  Suggs gives tons of OTs fits so we'll have to see if Harrison can handle 'lessor' pass rushers who aren't quite as beastly.

How on earth did Rishard Mathews get a pic of Landry's hand?  Teams fine players for sharing ANY injury photos so if Rishard is trying to land an NFL job he should not share a photograph like that.

Add, I figured Landy is dealing with injury(ies) because his production has dropped from early in the season and he has not looked himself over the past three weeks.  He's gutting it out but he just seems 'off' a bit IMHO.
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They were hanging out this past week. I think some common things like WRs hands are understood and not really considered that way

 
Speaking Monday, Browns coach Hue Jackson confirmed Baker Mayfield's ankle injury won't affect his Week 7 status.

"Baker's fine," Jackson said. Mayfield could get a "limited" tag or two in practice, but he will be out there for his dream Week 7 matchup with the Bucs. The problem is not Mayfield's health but his supporting cast. Mayfield has precious few weapons to throw the ball to. Even still, he's very much on the streaming radar this week.

Source: Andrew Gribble on Twitter 

Oct 15 - 2:38 PM
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bombjack said:
Next 4 weeks is a murderer's row of teams that have given up points, be it garbage time or not:

@ TB

@ Pitt

vs KC

vs ATL
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but can anybody on this team actually catch? You'd think it would be Landry but he's invisible. I want to start him so bad the next 4 weeks over Stafford but don't have the nads after seeing his receivers hands of stone last week.

 
Judge Smails said:
but can anybody on this team actually catch? You'd think it would be Landry but he's invisible. I want to start him so bad the next 4 weeks over Stafford but don't have the nads after seeing his receivers hands of stone last week.
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I’m in the same boat for this week.  Dying to pull the trigger on Baker but I just don’t trust his receivers or Hue despite the incredible matchup

 
Judge Smails said:
but can anybody on this team actually catch? You'd think it would be Landry but he's invisible. I want to start him so bad the next 4 weeks over Stafford but don't have the nads after seeing his receivers hands of stone last week.
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Landry certainly gets all the attention with no other wideout being a threat. That said, the Bucs secondary is so bad it doesn't matter who they pay attention to, so I'd be fine starting him over Stafford. 

 
Seems Ratley can catch. goes all out, is really fast and is a big target. He performed very well last week. Why they are wasting time with a never was never could catch the ball Perrimann is beyond me.

 
Baker Mayfield completed 23-of-34 passes for 215 yards and two touchdowns in Sunday's Week 7 loss to the Buccaneers.

Mayfield added a season-high 43 rushing yards on four carries on the ground. The day overall was a disappointment for fantasy owners as the Bucs had allowed a 300-yard passer in every game to date prior to Sunday. Mayfield and the Browns were invisible in the first half as he threw for just 62 yards through the opening two quarters. In the second half, Mayfield found David Njoku for a 15-yard score to open the half and then connected with Jarvis Landry for a 16-yard score to tie the game with 2:28 left in regulation. Mayfield was under constant duress once again, taking five sacks, the third straight game in which he was sacked at least five times. His one blemish on the day was when he rushed for a clear first down deep in Tampa Bay territory on fourth down, but then fumbled the ball backwards out of bounds behind the sticks, costing the Browns at least a field goal attempt. After failing to cash in a great matchup, Mayfield will only be a QB2 option Week 8 when the Browns head to Pit

Oct 21 - 5:50 PM
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3rd and 13, 5 yard pass.

3rd and 14, 6 yard pass.

3rd and 11, 7 yard pass.

3rd & 10, 8 yard pass.

Just when you thought they were working towards sending the WRs to the 1st down marker, nope.  3rd & 16, 5 yard pass. :lmao:   

Haley is pure garbage.

 
Baker's playing as well as can be expected.  Keep in mind his HC has destroyed another high pick rookie QB last year.  Baker is doing his best to keep the team moving forward amidst turmoil between a hard-headed OC and a buffoon of a HC.  The offense isn't tailored to Baker's skillset or experience, but yet he is thriving.  I wouldn't count on much fantasy production out of him for this year.  But when the next HC comes in next year, look out world!

 
Baker Mayfield - QB -  Browns

Browns OC Freddie Kitchens is expected to use more spread packages with Baker Mayfield.

The Browns fired Hue Jackson and ex-OC Todd Haley for not building their offense to Mayfield's strengths. Cleveland plans to incorporate some of the Air Raid schemes Mayfield ran at Oklahoma with their move to Kitchens, who comes from the passy-heavy Bruce Arians tree. Mayfield's ROS outlook is slightly up after the Browns' coaching shuffle. There's high-scoring potential in Mayfield's Week 9 matchup with the Chiefs.

Source: Akron Beacon-Journal 

Nov 3 - 1:13 PM
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They need to put up big points and play a clean game. An upset would be magnificent and may just shelve Haley and Hue permanently. They can join Jeff Fisher on his couch as never to be hired again, NFL rejects 

 
Baker Mayfield - QB -  Browns

Baker Mayfield completed 29-of-42 passes for 297 yards with two touchdowns and one interception in Sunday's Week 9 loss to the Chiefs.

Despite the loss, there were positives to draw from Mayfield's sixth start. His 7.1 yards per pass attempt were his most since Week 5 while his 69 percent completion rate was the highest rate he's completed in any start this season. Mayfield threw multiple touchdowns for the third straight game, with both going to Duke Johnson on Sunday. Mayfield will once again find a favorable matchup in Week 10 at home against the Falcons.

Nov 4 - 4:50 PM
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The INT was bad but the kid is a rookie and he's going to do that, he's no Nathan Peterman. What I liked was the touch he showed on some of those plays to Duke. Film isn't out yet but I think it was the first pass to the flats to Johnson where he lobbed the ball up & over a defender right on the money. Beautiful pass / play. Kid has a rocket arm but showed some nice touch yesterday. AND they allowed Mayfield to roll out a little more yesterday (intentionally rather than the norm of him running for his life). Still plenty to work on but the kid seems to be getting better every week, this is a good thing :thumbup:

 
Seeing some upside this week. 

Stats against KC where darn good and the KC secondary is much improved. ATL D is far less imposing. Injuries to CLE secondary could mean ATL and M. Ryan get up on the scoreboard.

Only concern is offensive line injuries.

 
Soulfly3 said:
he's going to be sensational, no discussion necessary
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I think you are probably right but he could also be the next David Carr.   It is not like the Cleveland Browns have been a haven for young quarterbacks.   I think they have the makings of a good team but it is up to the head office to make good on that.

 
Good numbers from Baker through his first 7 games as a starter.  He is currently leading all Rookie QBs (with at least 20 pass attempts) in categories like: Completion%, Pass Att/G, Yds/G, TD:INT Ratio, 1stD%, and QB Rate.  For having a very lackluster WR corp and having to deal with Hue's incompetence and Haley's stubbornness - he's done quite well.  Looking forward to seeing some of these numbers increase as he finishes up the season.  

Code: 
Name		Team	Pos	Comp	Att	Pct	Att/G	Yds	Avg	Yds/G	TD	Int	1st	1st%	Lng	20+	40+	Sck	Rate 
Sam Darnold	NYJ	QB	159	289	55	32.1	1,934	6.7	214.9	11	14	84	29.1	76T	28	4	21	68.3 
Baker Mayfield	CLE	QB	159	265	60	37.9	1,768	6.7	252.6	10	7	82	30.9	59	23	2	22	81.5 
Josh Rosen	ARI	QB	94	169	55.6	28.2	1,072	6.3	178.7	5	6	48	28.4	75T	13	2	16	69.9 
Josh Allen	BUF	QB	75	139	54	23.2	832	6	138.7	2	5	37	26.6	57	11	2	21	61.8 
 
I've been impressed with his intangibles, especially some times where he has climbed the pocket (despite an often poor pocket to work with).   I think the fantasy stats will continue to look better the second half as well.  He could definitely use some better targets to throw to.   The usage of Duke was an encouraging change from the prior regime though. 

 
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