QB Baker Mayfield, TB (3 Viewers)

[travdogg]

So, people still just hate Baker because he's Baker?

nevermind what he's shown, what he's done... nevermind last season, it doesnt matter. he's baker!

got ppl on this forum talking a guy like herbert is worth the #1 pick, with zero playoff wins and god knows what else to show for it...

I was a huge Mayfield supporter once upon a time, I thought his rookie year was excellent, and his 2020 was vastly underrated. I think he wasn't as good as his raw stats say he was this season, and I think his 2022 (where he was arguably the worst starting QB in the NFL, was cut at midseason and then instantly outplayed by PJ Walker and Sam Darnold) matters.

Mayfield has been in the NFL for 6 seasons now. I'd say he has 2 good years, 2 ok years, 1 bad year, and 1 awful year. That's not the resume of a guy I'd want to commit long term to for big money.

Conversely, Herbert has been in the league 4 years, and never been worse than ok, and has been elite.

 

[travdogg]

got ppl on this forum talking a guy like herbert is worth the #1 pick

He is. He needs normalcy around him. His talent is off the charts.

i think he's a solid talent... great arm. but has he made the playoffs? won a playoff game? always had a strong team around him (coaching wasnt great tho).

Baker dealt with much worse and still has 2 playoff wins.

anyways... that's neither here nor there. I don't think there's an NFL franchise right now that'd swap the #1 this season for Herbert. I really don't. And again, I prefer Herbert to Caleb.

Correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but you are arguing Mayfield over Herbert and Herbert over Caleb right? Are you then also arguing Mayfield over the #1 pick?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So, people still just hate Baker because he's Baker?

nevermind what he's shown, what he's done... nevermind last season, it doesnt matter. he's baker!

got ppl on this forum talking a guy like herbert is worth the #1 pick, with zero playoff wins and god knows what else to show for it...

I was a huge Mayfield supporter once upon a time, I thought his rookie year was excellent, and his 2020 was vastly underrated. I think he wasn't as good as his raw stats say he was this season, and I think his 2022 (where he was arguably the worst starting QB in the NFL, was cut at midseason and then instantly outplayed by PJ Walker and Sam Darnold) matters.

Mayfield has been in the NFL for 6 seasons now. I'd say he has 2 good years, 2 ok years, 1 bad year, and 1 awful year. That's not the resume of a guy I'd want to commit long term to for big money.

Conversely, Herbert has been in the league 4 years, and never been worse than ok, and has been elite.

I feel like Mayfield showed us his ceiling this year, and his ceiling still came with some bad play at important moments.

Interestingly I think he’d be a better QB if he were more of a “game manager” for all the grumbling people do about that term.

At times he plays reckless, and the results are a mixed bag. He played well for the Bucs this year. I don’t see him as anyone’s long-term solution.

 

[Soulfly3]

got ppl on this forum talking a guy like herbert is worth the #1 pick

He is. He needs normalcy around him. His talent is off the charts.

i think he's a solid talent... great arm. but has he made the playoffs? won a playoff game? always had a strong team around him (coaching wasnt great tho).

Baker dealt with much worse and still has 2 playoff wins.

anyways... that's neither here nor there. I don't think there's an NFL franchise right now that'd swap the #1 this season for Herbert. I really don't. And again, I prefer Herbert to Caleb.

Correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but you are arguing Mayfield over Herbert and Herbert over Caleb right? Are you then also arguing Mayfield over the #1 pick?

If I'm building a franchise? Herbert, then Baker or Caleb coin flip. Baker won't win you a SB.

I'm not a Caleb fan either, and very well may end up dead wrong. We'll see.

 

[-OZ-]

got ppl on this forum talking a guy like herbert is worth the #1 pick

He is. He needs normalcy around him. His talent is off the charts.

i think he's a solid talent... great arm. but has he made the playoffs? won a playoff game? always had a strong team around him (coaching wasnt great tho).

Baker dealt with much worse and still has 2 playoff wins.

anyways... that's neither here nor there. I don't think there's an NFL franchise right now that'd swap the #1 this season for Herbert. I really don't. And again, I prefer Herbert to Caleb.

Correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but you are arguing Mayfield over Herbert and Herbert over Caleb right? Are you then also arguing Mayfield over the #1 pick?

If I'm building a franchise? Herbert, then Baker or Caleb coin flip. Baker won't win you a SB.

I'm not a Caleb fan either, and very well may end up dead wrong. We'll see.

Herbert > Daniels > Caleb > Baker > Maye

 

[travdogg]

got ppl on this forum talking a guy like herbert is worth the #1 pick

He is. He needs normalcy around him. His talent is off the charts.

i think he's a solid talent... great arm. but has he made the playoffs? won a playoff game? always had a strong team around him (coaching wasnt great tho).

Baker dealt with much worse and still has 2 playoff wins.

anyways... that's neither here nor there. I don't think there's an NFL franchise right now that'd swap the #1 this season for Herbert. I really don't. And again, I prefer Herbert to Caleb.

Correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but you are arguing Mayfield over Herbert and Herbert over Caleb right? Are you then also arguing Mayfield over the #1 pick?

If I'm building a franchise? Herbert, then Baker or Caleb coin flip. Baker won't win you a SB.

I'm not a Caleb fan either, and very well may end up dead wrong. We'll see.

Herbert > Daniels > Caleb > Baker > Maye

Interesting.

I'd go Herbert>Caleb>Maye=Daniels>>>Baker

Feel like I've seen enough evidence at this point to conclude I'm probably the lowest person on the board on Mayfield, which is somewhat surprising to me, as I was on the other side back in 2021.

 

[Soulfly3]

got ppl on this forum talking a guy like herbert is worth the #1 pick

He is. He needs normalcy around him. His talent is off the charts.

i think he's a solid talent... great arm. but has he made the playoffs? won a playoff game? always had a strong team around him (coaching wasnt great tho).

Baker dealt with much worse and still has 2 playoff wins.

anyways... that's neither here nor there. I don't think there's an NFL franchise right now that'd swap the #1 this season for Herbert. I really don't. And again, I prefer Herbert to Caleb.

Correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but you are arguing Mayfield over Herbert and Herbert over Caleb right? Are you then also arguing Mayfield over the #1 pick?

If I'm building a franchise? Herbert, then Baker or Caleb coin flip. Baker won't win you a SB.

I'm not a Caleb fan either, and very well may end up dead wrong. We'll see.

Herbert > Daniels > Caleb > Baker > Maye

Interesting.

I'd go Herbert>Caleb>Maye=Daniels>>>Baker

Feel like I've seen enough evidence at this point to conclude I'm probably the lowest person on the board on Mayfield, which is somewhat surprising to me, as I was on the other side back in 2021.

Also odd you'd be THIS low after the season he just put up.
Again, I unfortunately no longer see him as a potential SB calibre QB (but possible w the right pieces around him)... But he's definitely a proper starting QB in the NFL after last season.

 

[Grahamburn]

got ppl on this forum talking a guy like herbert is worth the #1 pick

He is. He needs normalcy around him. His talent is off the charts.

i think he's a solid talent... great arm. but has he made the playoffs? won a playoff game? always had a strong team around him (coaching wasnt great tho).

Baker dealt with much worse and still has 2 playoff wins.

anyways... that's neither here nor there. I don't think there's an NFL franchise right now that'd swap the #1 this season for Herbert. I really don't. And again, I prefer Herbert to Caleb.

Correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but you are arguing Mayfield over Herbert and Herbert over Caleb right? Are you then also arguing Mayfield over the #1 pick?

If I'm building a franchise? Herbert, then Baker or Caleb coin flip. Baker won't win you a SB.

I'm not a Caleb fan either, and very well may end up dead wrong. We'll see.

Herbert > Daniels > Caleb > Baker > Maye

Interesting.

I'd go Herbert>Caleb>Maye=Daniels>>>Baker

Feel like I've seen enough evidence at this point to conclude I'm probably the lowest person on the board on Mayfield, which is somewhat surprising to me, as I was on the other side back in 2021.

Also odd you'd be THIS low after the season he just put up.
Again, I unfortunately no longer see him as a potential SB calibre QB (but possible w the right pieces around him)... But he's definitely a proper starting QB in the NFL after last season.

He needs a little more defense and a little more running game. He had the Bucs a 2nd half defensive collapse away from the NFCCG. He probably would have had the Browns in the Super Bowl.

I hope and do think Baker also realizes this. He keeps saying at this stage of his career he wants to win. We’ll see if that’s true. The Bucs have a lot of guys to sign and need help in other places to get back to being a legit contender.

Does he just “let the agents handle it” and go for the max contract or does he speak up and say I’ll take something more reasonable so you can sign Mike, AWJr., LaVonte, extend Wirfs, and sign a free agent or two.

 

[Capella]

always had a strong team around him

No. That team around him this year was terrible. They have a few top end guys who skew people’s perceptions.

 

[Boston]

got ppl on this forum talking a guy like herbert is worth the #1 pick

He is. He needs normalcy around him. His talent is off the charts.

i think he's a solid talent... great arm. but has he made the playoffs? won a playoff game? always had a strong team around him (coaching wasnt great tho).

Baker dealt with much worse and still has 2 playoff wins.

anyways... that's neither here nor there. I don't think there's an NFL franchise right now that'd swap the #1 this season for Herbert. I really don't. And again, I prefer Herbert to Caleb.

Correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but you are arguing Mayfield over Herbert and Herbert over Caleb right? Are you then also arguing Mayfield over the #1 pick?

If I'm building a franchise? Herbert, then Baker or Caleb coin flip. Baker won't win you a SB.

I'm not a Caleb fan either, and very well may end up dead wrong. We'll see.

Herbert > Daniels > Caleb > Baker > Maye

Interesting.

I'd go Herbert>Caleb>Maye=Daniels>>>Baker

Feel like I've seen enough evidence at this point to conclude I'm probably the lowest person on the board on Mayfield, which is somewhat surprising to me, as I was on the other side back in 2021.

Also odd you'd be THIS low after the season he just put up.
Again, I unfortunately no longer see him as a potential SB calibre QB (but possible w the right pieces around him)... But he's definitely a proper starting QB in the NFL after last season.

He needs a little more defense and a little more running game. He had the Bucs a 2nd half defensive collapse away from the NFCCG. He probably would have had the Browns in the Super Bowl.

I hope and do think Baker also realizes this. He keeps saying at this stage of his career he wants to win. We’ll see if that’s true. The Bucs have a lot of guys to sign and need help in other places to get back to being a legit contender.

Does he just “let the agents handle it” and go for the max contract or does he speak up and say I’ll take something more reasonable so you can sign Mike, AWJr., LaVonte, extend Wirfs, and sign a free agent or two.

One thing to keep in mind is while he had a very good rookie contract, he did not get that big second contract yet and this may be his only chance...what do you consider a reasonable contract?

 

[Capella]

Baker won't win you a SB.

Brock Purdy is 60 minutes away from winning one and Jared Goff almost got to the game. I think this kind of comment is a bit overplayed. Baker won’t be the best player on a team that wins the Super Bowl but if you put enough talent around him he can help you get there. He’s not a negative.

 

[-OZ-]

Baker won't win you a SB.

Brock Purdy is 60 minutes away from winning one and Jared Goff almost got to the game. I think this kind of comment is a bit overplayed. Baker won’t be the best player on a team that wins the Super Bowl but if you put enough talent around him he can help you get there. He’s not a negative.

Goff is an interesting case. With a $31 million cap hit he isn’t cheap. But the lions crushed the draft and have good to great players at key positions without breaking the bank for those guys. That probably won’t last.
Purdy is the perfect example of what could be the 2nd best way to make it to a SB. Cheap QB surrounded by great talent.
Baker is probably close to Goff, but Tampa isn’t in the Lions situation with other players.
It’s not that baker can’t make it, but a whole lot has to break right. Which is true for every team, but even more than usual imo.

 

[travdogg]

Baker won't win you a SB.

Brock Purdy is 60 minutes away from winning one and Jared Goff almost got to the game. I think this kind of comment is a bit overplayed. Baker won’t be the best player on a team that wins the Super Bowl but if you put enough talent around him he can help you get there. He’s not a negative.

Goff is an interesting case. With a $31 million cap hit he isn’t cheap. But the lions crushed the draft and have good to great players at key positions without breaking the bank for those guys. That probably won’t last.
Purdy is the perfect example of what could be the 2nd best way to make it to a SB. Cheap QB surrounded by great talent.
Baker is probably close to Goff, but Tampa isn’t in the Lions situation with other players.
It’s not that baker can’t make it, but a whole lot has to break right. Which is true for every team, but even more than usual imo.

Agree 100% on Goff. If Sewell, St. Brown, Hutchinson, Gibbs, and LaPorta weren't all on rookie deals, then the Lions would probably be a different team right now, and maybe couldn't afford to pay a decent QB big money. Tampa isn't in that situation at all, as pretty much every good player on the team is past their rookie deal, other than Wirfs.

Purdy is interesting/different. I think its somewhat of an insult to Purdy to lump him in with Goff/Mayfield. I think he's clearly shown himself to be better than them, and there's also the chance he could be a ton better than them, as the Super Bowl will only be his 27th career start. Its very reasonable to suggest we haven't seen his best yet.

 

[Bri]

Mayfield used to get hit, scramble, n chuck it and somehow CeeDee would come down with it.
He pulled this off a few times w the Browns.

This doesn't work more often than not but a whole lot of QBs do it. WRs, of course, love the opportunity but it's not team oriented or managing a two minute offense.

Fitzpatrick revived his career as Fitz-magic with this.

Surely they drill the two minute offense 100 times and this is never an option but their thirst for a game winning highlight. It's amateurish.

Baker will be stuck as Fitzpatrick if he doesn't lose this and grow up.

And

Herbert hasn't accomplished squat. It's been four years and y'all need to have some standards before declaring him great

 

[travdogg]

Mayfield used to get hit, scramble, n chuck it and somehow CeeDee would come down with it.
He pulled this off a few times w the Browns.

This doesn't work more often than not but a whole lot of QBs do it. WRs, of course, love the opportunity but it's not team oriented or managing a two minute offense.

Fitzpatrick revived his career as Fitz-magic with this.

Surely they drill the two minute offense 100 times and this is never an option but their thirst for a game winning highlight. It's amateurish.

Baker will be stuck as Fitzpatrick if he doesn't lose this and grow up.

And

Herbert hasn't accomplished squat. It's been four years and y'all need to have some standards before declaring him great

While I can agree with the Fitzmagic comp, I do want to say that Mayfield and Lamb barely played together. Mayfield's main weapons at Oklahoma were Mark Andrews, Hollywood Brown, Dede Westbrook, and Sterling Shepard. Lamb had 1 season with Mayfield, where he was the #3 guy. He was more Jalen Hurts's guy.

Herbert has been very good. Over the last 3 seasons, you can count the amount of QBs who have played better than him on 1 hand. At worst, he's AFC Dak Prescott, which is still pretty good.

 

[-OZ-]

Herbert hasn't accomplished squat. It's been four years and y'all need to have some standards before declaring him great

I don’t know how anyone can have watched the Herbert play, have paid attention to the debacle in coaching, and think he’s below Baker or not a top 10 QB.
He’s a primary reason Harbaugh is there now. We’ll see how that pans out.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Herbert hasn't accomplished squat. It's been four years and y'all need to have some standards before declaring him great

I don’t know how anyone can have watched the Herbert play, have paid attention to the debacle in coaching, and think he’s below Baker or not a top 10 QB.
He’s a primary reason Harbaugh is there now. We’ll see how that pans out.

There seems to be a lot of negative rhetoric surrounding Herbert for some reason. I agree with you 100%, he more than passes the eyeball test. He has had a lot hurdles with coaching and surrounding cast injuries over the years and still has played well. If I were a betting man I would say that will start to disappear with Harbaugh in town and he will be universally be known as an elite quarterback within the next few years.

 

[Bri]

Herbert hasn't accomplished squat. It's been four years and y'all need to have some standards before declaring him great

I don’t know how anyone can have watched the Herbert play, have paid attention to the debacle in coaching, and think he’s below Baker or not a top 10 QB.
He’s a primary reason Harbaugh is there now. We’ll see how that pans out.

I didn't mean to insinuate he's below Baker.

Herbert is just "great" in this thread n board and I'm at the point where I wanna see something- playoff wins, MVP, I don't really care but he's often mentioned with Allen and Mahomes or a step less mentioned w Burrow and I'd take all those guys over him.

He's had a darn good group of skill position players to throw to so where's the big victories?
Does he even have the come from behind regular season wins the great ones do?
I just want him to hit some standards

 

[Bri]

Herbert hasn't accomplished squat. It's been four years and y'all need to have some standards before declaring him great

I don’t know how anyone can have watched the Herbert play, have paid attention to the debacle in coaching, and think he’s below Baker or not a top 10 QB.
He’s a primary reason Harbaugh is there now. We’ll see how that pans out.

There seems to be a lot of negative rhetoric surrounding Herbert for some reason. I agree with you 100%, he more than passes the eyeball test. He has had a lot hurdles with coaching and surrounding cast injuries over the years and still has played well. If I were a betting man I would say that will start to disappear with Harbaugh in town and he will be universally be known as an elite quarterback within the next few years.

I don't disagree with this but in FF we rrrreally like their backups too.
Giant TE, both WRs and Quentin, usually a RB.
Somewhere in there is a pre built excuse for Herbert that ain't right. He ought to be able to win with quality backups too.

Harbaugh will tweak the offense and maybe Herbert's thinking too.

He's Jeff George II- as I said last year- until he proves otherwise

 

[-OZ-]

He's Jeff George II- as I said last year- until he proves otherwise

George wasn’t nearly as good with the colts. With Atlanta or Oakland, after he had already played as many seasons as Herbert has now. It’s statistically closer.

Baker is a better comp to George.

You seem to be anti Herbert.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Mayfield used to get hit, scramble, n chuck it and somehow CeeDee would come down with it.
He pulled this off a few times w the Browns.

This doesn't work more often than not but a whole lot of QBs do it. WRs, of course, love the opportunity but it's not team oriented or managing a two minute offense.

Fitzpatrick revived his career as Fitz-magic with this.

Surely they drill the two minute offense 100 times and this is never an option but their thirst for a game winning highlight. It's amateurish.

Baker will be stuck as Fitzpatrick if he doesn't lose this and grow up.

And

Herbert hasn't accomplished squat. It's been four years and y'all need to have some standards before declaring him great

It's mind boggling how Herbert is able to throw for 17,000+ yds, 114 TD vs 42 Int, QB Rating of about 95 and the Bolts went nowhere his 1st 4 seasons
I don't think Jeff George came anywhere close to that type of production especially early in his career.

But just because I might disagree with the Jeff George comparison, you're right to ask why everyone gives Herbert a pass
The Bolts didn't blink giving him Top5 money at QB but in 4 years he has been to 1 Playoff game, had a 27-0 lead and lost.

Baker = Fitzpatrick, pretty much with you on this one. I like the comparison, might lean Fitz-magic for arm strength, Baker shorts a lot of passes
I'm not excited about the Bucs making him a lucrative extension, when it happens because I think they will try and bring him back
Trask has shown nothing to take the starting job
Bucs would be better to find one of the top 5-6 prospects at QB and start over.

But I am in the minority camp on this vs most Bucs fans.
They've won a Super Bowl with Brad Johnson, a journeyman of sorts.
And a 43-yr old HoF QB that likely will never happen in the NFL again
Bucs are an enigma when it comes to Quarterbacks and it's always been that way.

 

[travdogg]

Herbert hasn't accomplished squat. It's been four years and y'all need to have some standards before declaring him great

I don’t know how anyone can have watched the Herbert play, have paid attention to the debacle in coaching, and think he’s below Baker or not a top 10 QB.
He’s a primary reason Harbaugh is there now. We’ll see how that pans out.

I didn't mean to insinuate he's below Baker.

Herbert is just "great" in this thread n board and I'm at the point where I wanna see something- playoff wins, MVP, I don't really care but he's often mentioned with Allen and Mahomes or a step less mentioned w Burrow and I'd take all those guys over him.

He's had a darn good group of skill position players to throw to so where's the big victories?
Does he even have the come from behind regular season wins the great ones do?
I just want him to hit some standards

I don't think anyone would argue Herbert over Allen, Mahomes, or even Burrow, unless that was a 100% durability argument, which is a bad argument anyway. Those are probably the top-3 QBs in the NFL. Even then though, I'm very confident you replace Andy Reid with Brandon Staley, and Mahomes has 0 rings. Herbert's been swimming upstream his entire career so far, even if he has good surrounding talent.

Up until this season, half of Herbert's wins were come from behind wins. That's a higher % than any of the aforementioned QBs. He was 2nd in the NFL in 2021-2022, tied with Tom Brady, in total come from behind wins.

I'm not sure come from behind wins is a meaningful thing anyway. I mean Geno Smith lead the league this season. Baker Mayfield had the same amount as Patrick Mahomes, which was also the same amount as Zach Wilson.

 

[Grahamburn]

Contact talks expected to heat up this week.

 

[massraider]

Contact talks expected to heat up this week.

Dan Patrick Show

Seems like he's trying to stay. That's good news.

 

[Grahamburn]

Contact talks expected to heat up this week.

Dan Patrick Show

Seems like he's trying to stay. That's good news.

I think it's pretty mutual and mostly a foregone conclusion as long as both sides are reasonable.

 

[Bri]

He's Jeff George II- as I said last year- until he proves otherwise

George wasn’t nearly as good with the colts. With Atlanta or Oakland, after he had already played as many seasons as Herbert has now. It’s statistically closer.

Baker is a better comp to George.

You seem to be anti Herbert.

Just "show me something" is all.
He's a great looking QB that easily checks all the boxes but results for me.
Ya don't like George comp, maybe Bledsoe other than the one year? Like I see it and all, but where's the big win?
It's always coaching or injuries but we all seem to like their backups so their GM listened and built a stable to cover injuries.

I think he's at a maturation stalling point and Harbaugh has to change his head. I don't watch him enough to stand at a podium here but I've seen him working the sidelines when he should be taking gimmes to the RB or the TE boxing out. It's rookie-ish thinking. Maybe he wants to use his blessed arm. It doesn't have to be a game winning drive maybe it's just we had a few three n outs, let's settle everyone down with a slow plodding drive. He needs that "I'm in control, follow me" leader looking style of play. He's got the "I'm blessed, run anywhere I'll hit ya with it" style.

Their line needs it too. Ekeler can be re-signed and be the man again and I don't really have a prob with their backups but they too could use a pile mover. A sure bet third and one first down back. Jacques Patrick is a free agent. I'm sure there's others. Get that offense a big boy and get that line up to snuff that they can win for one yard too.

I expect the Chargers to win quickly and be an easy turnaround for Harbaugh because all I see are little things they need to improve on. All the pretty stuff, all the athleticism, they have that on the roster. They need some grunts with hard hats and the mental adjustment

 

[Max Power]

Contact talks expected to heat up this week.

Dan Patrick Show

Seems like he's trying to stay. That's good news.

I think it's pretty mutual and mostly a foregone conclusion as long as both sides are reasonable.

What is reasonable? 40 mil annually?

 

[-OZ-]

He's Jeff George II- as I said last year- until he proves otherwise

George wasn’t nearly as good with the colts. With Atlanta or Oakland, after he had already played as many seasons as Herbert has now. It’s statistically closer.

Baker is a better comp to George.

You seem to be anti Herbert.

Just "show me something" is all.
He's a great looking QB that easily checks all the boxes but results for me.
Ya don't like George comp, maybe Bledsoe other than the one year? Like I see it and all, but where's the big win?
It's always coaching or injuries but we all seem to like their backups so their GM listened and built a stable to cover injuries.

I think he's at a maturation stalling point and Harbaugh has to change his head. I don't watch him enough to stand at a podium here but I've seen him working the sidelines when he should be taking gimmes to the RB or the TE boxing out. It's rookie-ish thinking. Maybe he wants to use his blessed arm. It doesn't have to be a game winning drive maybe it's just we had a few three n outs, let's settle everyone down with a slow plodding drive. He needs that "I'm in control, follow me" leader looking style of play. He's got the "I'm blessed, run anywhere I'll hit ya with it" style.

Their line needs it too. Ekeler can be re-signed and be the man again and I don't really have a prob with their backups but they too could use a pile mover. A sure bet third and one first down back. Jacques Patrick is a free agent. I'm sure there's others. Get that offense a big boy and get that line up to snuff that they can win for one yard too.

I expect the Chargers to win quickly and be an easy turnaround for Harbaugh because all I see are little things they need to improve on. All the pretty stuff, all the athleticism, they have that on the roster. They need some grunts with hard hats and the mental adjustment

if they can find money (hard to do with Allen and Williams) Henry could be fun in LA.

 

[Grahamburn]

Contact talks expected to heat up this week.

Dan Patrick Show

Seems like he's trying to stay. That's good news.

I think it's pretty mutual and mostly a foregone conclusion as long as both sides are reasonable.

What is reasonable? 40 mil annually?

I could get there, sure, but we all know it's more about the guaranteed money. I could definitely see a 5 year deal for $200M total value with $75M guaranteed. That's $40M AAV, but the first two years being extremely low AAV and low cap hits so they can afford to sign Evans also. Then the last 3 years of the deal being much higher AAV. Basically a deal that gives the Bucs flexibility, pays Baker, and has eyes on the future if he continues playing well. Restructure/extend if necessary. If Baker continues to play well he earns the back end of it. If he flops the Bucs can get out after a couple seasons.

Geno Smith got $40M guaranteed, but Baker is younger than him and has more of a track record as a starter. Daniel Jones got $92M guaranteed, and he's younger while also being more athletic than Baker. However, I also think a big factor in that negotiation was the Giants not picking up his 5th year option and then Jones responding with a solid year plus a playoff win. I feel like Jones and his agent took a hard stance in those negotiations. Baker bested him statistically as a passer and also won a playoff game. I also think the Jones contract is an outlier though.

I don't think Baker is going to try to hold the Bucs over a barrel.

Anyway, tldr - somewhere between Geno Smith and Daniel Jones.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I think there are many QBs like Baker, in that they were drafted high and went to a team that sucked. They then played for a bad coach with mostly bad players around them. Then people throw them out with the bathwater. I'm not big on Fields, but he could be in this situation. Kyler Murray too. It's tough to tell from the outside looking in, and it's tough for a QB to overcome the obstacles around them. Stroud, Aikman, and guys like them that went to bad teams and succeeded early ... they had pretty darn good coaches. it takes a special, special QB to overcome bad coaching.

 

[massraider]

Anyway, tldr - somewhere between Geno Smith and Daniel Jones.

Sounds fair.

If I was Mayfield's agent, I would start at Jones, and work up. Might not get there, but that's where I would start.

 

[Grahamburn]

Anyway, tldr - somewhere between Geno Smith and Daniel Jones.

Sounds fair.

If I was Mayfield's agent, I would start at Jones, and work up. Might not get there, but that's where I would start.

I agree. From the agent's perspective that's the starting point. For the Bucs? I think that might be a non-starter. Baker has said all the right things. If he means them he's going to have to take "less" to get his guys back in Tampa. If that's what he really wants.

 

[Birdie048]

Saw a blurb on MSN ... Baker Mayfield RELEASED.

No clue if valid or accurate ...

 

[-OZ-]

Saw a blurb on MSN ... Baker Mayfield RELEASED.

No clue if valid or accurate ...

Apparently Winfield is more important.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Saw a blurb on MSN ... Baker Mayfield RELEASED.

No clue if valid or accurate ...

Good, Bucs need to rebuild or reload or overhaul, you can slice it many ways.

The Draft has 4-5-6 QBs likely going in the 1st/2nd Rd, think the Bucs are going to take their chances there and build out their OL
Lots of WRs to boot but the Bucs don't have extra draft pick to play with...yet!

I'm excited a s Bucs fan to see what the next chapter is going to be for them

 

[travdogg]

Saw a blurb on MSN ... Baker Mayfield RELEASED.

No clue if valid or accurate ...

Apparently Winfield is more important.

Winfield is more important. He's arguably the best DB in the NFL and he's 25.

 

[massraider]

He's a FA already. He wasn't cut.

 

[nightmare]

Saw a blurb on MSN ... Baker Mayfield RELEASED.

No clue if valid or accurate ...

Baker is a free agent. There is on contract to be released from.

Dang it, Mass.

 

[Buckna]

Baker to NE, draft MHJr? Or trade down from 3 another option. I believe NE hired some former Cleveland guys from the regime that drafted Baker.

 

[Grahamburn]

They were never going to tag him.

 

[Grahamburn]

Saw a blurb on MSN ... Baker Mayfield RELEASED.

No clue if valid or accurate ...

Good, Bucs need to rebuild or reload or overhaul, you can slice it many ways.

The Draft has 4-5-6 QBs likely going in the 1st/2nd Rd, think the Bucs are going to take their chances there and build out their OL
Lots of WRs to boot but the Bucs don't have extra draft pick to play with...yet!

I'm excited a s Bucs fan to see what the next chapter is going to be for them

They were a few plays away from the NFCCG.

They need to rebuild?

 

[Bri]

Baker and the Bucs was a great union. They'd both be crazy to let it end.
It's always more difficult than it seems to find a QB that gels with the team and leads well.

Mike Evans likely wants Baker along with a new contract.
What do you think of Trask? Evans probably thinks the same.

QBs are crazy expensive so I'd have hesitation but they gotta sign him.

If they go with a young QB and no Evans, then Bucs fans will by lying to themselves like Titans fans did in 23 as they're in a rebuild.

I can understand two years and not longterm because maybe he isn't the guy or whatever sentiment but....gotta sign him

 

[-OZ-]

Saw a blurb on MSN ... Baker Mayfield RELEASED.

No clue if valid or accurate ...

Good, Bucs need to rebuild or reload or overhaul, you can slice it many ways.

The Draft has 4-5-6 QBs likely going in the 1st/2nd Rd, think the Bucs are going to take their chances there and build out their OL
Lots of WRs to boot but the Bucs don't have extra draft pick to play with...yet!

I'm excited a s Bucs fan to see what the next chapter is going to be for them

They were a few plays away from the NFCCG.

They need to rebuild?

I mean, they could just sign him to a contract. Worked so well for the giants.
(Kidding, I actually think Baker deserves a decent contract)

 

[-OZ-]

Mike Evans likely wants Baker along with a new contract.

Obvious I could be wrong but I think Evans wants to play for a contender. (SB contender, TB really isn’t that)

 

[massraider]

They need to rebuild?

No.

They might not be true contenders with Baker, but they can win games with him. They can get to the playoffs with him. Meantime, having Baker will not stop them from taking their shot if a QB pops up.
Perfect bridge QB.

And these guys get better with a little stability.

 

[Faust]

Baker Mayfield wants to be back in Tampa, but will he?

 

[Faust]

The Tampa Bay Times’ Rick Stroud reports the Bucs and Baker Mayfield have begun “preliminary talks about a new contract.”

The Stroud noted that nothing is imminent, all signs point to the two sides figuring things out. Previous reports have said both camps are motivated to get a deal done. The Bucs also have the franchise tag as an option. Mayfield’s NFL career was circling the drain after the Panthers cut him in 2022. The Rams picked him up for a few starts to close the year and then Tampa Bay tabbed him as a bridge option for the 2023 season. Mayfield surpassed all expectations in his first year as a Buccaneer and now appears to be the team’s long-term answer at quarterback. After offensive coordinator Dave Canales left Tampa Bay for a head coaching gig in Carolina, the Bucs tabbed former Rams offensive coordinator as his replacement. Mayfield worked with Coen during his brief stint in LA. The hiring is another sign that GM Jason Licht is prepping for Mayfield’s return.

 

[Faust]

NFL Network’s James Palmer believes the Falcons are a “dark horse” to sign QB Baker Mayfield.

Palmer speculated that Falcons head coach Raheem Morris and offensive coordinator Zac Robinson — both of whom were members of the Rams coaching staff during Mayfield’s stint in LA — could lure him to Atlanta this offseason. The Tampa Bay Times’ Rick Stroud reported last week that while nothing is imminent, Mayfield had started “preliminary” talks with the Bucs to stay in Tampa after he led the team to a postseason berth in 2023. Mayfield, entering his age-29 season, ranked 11th among quarterbacks in adjusted EPA per drop back last season, throwing 27 touchdowns to 14 interceptions. Though the Falcons are intent on upgrading at QB, Mayfield will most likely re-sign with the Bucs in March.

 

[Faust]

JennaLaineESPN

Regarding Baker Mayfield — The two sides are continuing to try and work towards a deal. I’m told that they’re “slowly” making some progress. The legal negotiation window opens up March 11, which is when other teams can enter the picture, so they still have time.

https://x.com/jennalaineespn/status/1765573170034000191?s=61

 

[travdogg]

2 days away from FA and he's still not signed. I think TB likely offered something between 20-30 million and Mayfield is confident he can get that on the open market, and TB is confident that Mayfield is nothing more than a decent QB, and they don't wanna fall in line with teams like the Giants and offering big money to a guy they might wanna replace in a year or 2 anyway.

If I were TB, I'd be open to dealing a 3 for Justin Fields and him costing less for 2 years than Baker costs for 1. Or possibly being the team that nabs Russ for peanuts, and maybe takes Nix/Penix.

Either way, if he isn't signed before Monday, I think its likely he throws a pretty big monkey wrench into the QB carousel.

ETA: The funniest outcome would be Mayfield to the Steelers, where much like Big Ben, the Steelers would again have the QB with the most wins in Cleveland.