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QB Brock Purdy, SF (4 Viewers)

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Good day for Brock Purdy, rough day for Sam Darnold at 49ers practice.

Purdy: 13-19
Darnold: 1-7
Trey Lance: 3-3

Purdy was very sharp, especially on throws outside the numbers.


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- Had Purdy down for 27 reps all with the first team today. There was also an offside penalty in move the ball, so 28 if you prefer. Had him at 13-of-19 with no interceptions and 2 TDs in red zone.

- Solid day for Purdy, who was good in intermediate areas. Hit Deebo, Aiyuk (x2) for sizable gains on crossers and digs as he started 6-of-6.

- Purdy found Deebo and Dwelley for TDs in red zone and led a field goal drive in move the ball period.
 
He looked like himself in the short time he was in there.

I can't wait for week 1, I'm going to that game with a few Steeler fans, it's gonna be LIT!
 
What kind of numbers are y'all expecting from Purdy this year? I rarely see him in the top 15-18 QBs, but when you look at his numbers from last year, the kid was top 3 (and maybe #1) in the final 7 weeks of the year. It would be VERY difficult to repeat what he did, but considering he was a rookie and Deebo played distracted/out of shape, he might be better set up for success.

Any projections to throw out there? 4000 passing, 30 Tds passing, 12 Ints..........with 300 rushing 4 Tds.
 
What kind of numbers are y'all expecting from Purdy this year? I rarely see him in the top 15-18 QBs, but when you look at his numbers from last year, the kid was top 3 (and maybe #1) in the final 7 weeks of the year. It would be VERY difficult to repeat what he did, but considering he was a rookie and Deebo played distracted/out of shape, he might be better set up for success.

Any projections to throw out there? 4000 passing, 30 Tds passing, 12 Ints..........with 300 rushing 4 Tds.
He wasn't anywhere near QB1, but he was a useable starter.

His numbers once he took over, were pretty similar to a Kirk Cousins pace, and about 1.5 PPG better than Jimmy G.

I think 15-18 isn't unreasonable for him. I just don't see much ceiling without the 49ers changing who they are as an offense. You could do worse as a QB2 though.
 
Purdy practice today:

Nick Wagoner:

Had Brock Purdy at 30 snaps (all first team, of course), and finishing 16-of-19 with an interception.

INT came on screen pass intended for Juszczyk. Nice play by Drake Jackson who tipped it to himself and picked it. Purdy needed a bit more loft, similar to Lance on Sat.

Aside from the INT, Purdy had one of his best practices of camp, IMO. He and Deebo were cookin', especially on staple in-breaking concepts. They connected 7 times in team drills, many of which would have gone for 15+ yards.


Purdy getting dialed in.
 
What kind of numbers are y'all expecting from Purdy this year? I rarely see him in the top 15-18 QBs, but when you look at his numbers from last year, the kid was top 3 (and maybe #1) in the final 7 weeks of the year. It would be VERY difficult to repeat what he did, but considering he was a rookie and Deebo played distracted/out of shape, he might be better set up for success.

Any projections to throw out there? 4000 passing, 30 Tds passing, 12 Ints..........with 300 rushing 4 Tds.
He wasn't anywhere near QB1, but he was a useable starter.

His numbers once he took over, were pretty similar to a Kirk Cousins pace, and about 1.5 PPG better than Jimmy G.

I think 15-18 isn't unreasonable for him. I just don't see much ceiling without the 49ers changing who they are as an offense. You could do worse as a QB2 though.

From NFL.com:

NFL QB Index: Ranking all 32 teams' primary starting quarterbacks at the end of the 2022 regular season​

"PFF's fifth-ranked passer since taking over in Week 14. Ever since, the Niners lead the league in points per game (33.6), yards per attempt (8.9) and yards per play (6.5). Purdy's passer rating over his first five starts (119.0) trails only Kurt Warner in the Super Bowl era. He's mind-melded with George Kittle, operates comfortably against pressure and seems entirely unfazed by the improbability of it all. It’s a credit to Kyle Shanahan’s system, but none of this is happening without Purdy possibly being one of the league’s wildest diamonds in the rough. As Ted Nguyen of The Athletic noted: Purdy is "going to destroy draft discourse for years" to come."

He is ranked at 15 there.

Purdy was actually 1st or close to 1st in every passing efficiency category in his 7 game run. I'm not saying he'll be a top 5 QB......but it would not surprise me to see him in the top 8-10 with the weapons at his disposal as he heads into just his 2nd season, and first as a starter.
 
What kind of numbers are y'all expecting from Purdy this year? I rarely see him in the top 15-18 QBs, but when you look at his numbers from last year, the kid was top 3 (and maybe #1) in the final 7 weeks of the year. It would be VERY difficult to repeat what he did, but considering he was a rookie and Deebo played distracted/out of shape, he might be better set up for success.

Any projections to throw out there? 4000 passing, 30 Tds passing, 12 Ints..........with 300 rushing 4 Tds.
Bottom 10 starting QBs when the '23 season is done. Smoke screens and mirrors, not a believer, sorry
I know many are totally sold on him, I gotta watch it again this year.
He's so unfazed, so calm and so not rattled in the pocket, I just gotta see it again in 2023.
I think i'm allowed to be a doubting Thomas one more year, his 2nd season and then after that, shame on me.
 
What kind of numbers are y'all expecting from Purdy this year? I rarely see him in the top 15-18 QBs, but when you look at his numbers from last year, the kid was top 3 (and maybe #1) in the final 7 weeks of the year. It would be VERY difficult to repeat what he did, but considering he was a rookie and Deebo played distracted/out of shape, he might be better set up for success.

Any projections to throw out there? 4000 passing, 30 Tds passing, 12 Ints..........with 300 rushing 4 Tds.
Bottom 10 starting QBs when the '23 season is done. Smoke screens and mirrors, not a believer, sorry
I know many are totally sold on him, I gotta watch it again this year.
He's so unfazed, so calm and so not rattled in the pocket, I just gotta see it again in 2023.
I think i'm allowed to be a doubting Thomas one more year, his 2nd season and then after that, shame on me.

Careful MOP, this type of opinion will rile up the 49er faithful.

BTW, I agree with you.
 
Careful MOP, this type of opinion will rile up the 49er faithful. BTW I agree with you.

Not at all. I actually hope you're both serious just so it steams your buns when he's better than you had hoped.

See ya week 13. :boxing:

Well if it makes you feel any better I never thought Jalen Hurts would develop into a Superbowl-caliber QB.
Rex Grossman was a Super Bowl caliber QB too.
So was Trent Dilfer.

It took Hurts 3 years to build his quads up to rush for first downs and for Philly to suck long enough to get high draft picks. ;)

I think people are sleeping on Purdy. Rookie dude put on a show, despite being the #4 QB on the team and getting next to zero reps all year.
 
Per Jason Wood...

The offense surged (once Purdy took over), delivering nearly ten more points per game, primarily due to a substantial increase in efficiency. The number of plays per game and total yards slightly improved, but the points-per-play, especially touchdown efficiency, soared.

This leads us to Purdy's performance:

  • 6-0 (Purdy started five games but came in early in Week 13 against Miami)
  • 110 completions
  • 161 attempts
  • 68.3% completion rate
  • 1,308 passing yards
  • 8.1 yards per attempt
  • 13 passing touchdowns
  • 8.1% touchdown rate
  • 3 interceptions
  • 10 rushing yards
For context, this is what his six-game run looks like pro-rated over a full 17-game schedule:

  • 312 completions
  • 456 attempts
  • 3,706 passing yards
  • 36.8 passing touchdowns
  • 8.5 interceptions
  • 28 rushing yards
  • 298 fantasy points
 
CMC, Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle is easily the best RB/WR/WR/TE combo in the league. If Purdy has this job, I think his floor is probably stunningly higher than ADP would be giving him credit for right now. With an elite ceiling that is also not being priced in. I'll admit I haven't been drafting in accordance with this take, but I feel like I should be. I did a $350 FPC tonight and took Richardson as my QB1 (QB12 overall) at 11.01 and Purdy as my "backup" at 16.12 at QB21.
 
Swift/Brown/Smith/Goedert the only other one I can think of with that quality of top 4. Maybe Jax. Atlanta and Detroit are a dependable WR2 away I suppose. And if their TEs emerge but Purdy couldn't be in a better spot.
 
CMC, Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle is easily the best RB/WR/WR/TE combo in the league. If Purdy has this job, I think his floor is probably stunningly higher than ADP would be giving him credit for right now. With an elite ceiling that is also not being priced in. I'll admit I haven't been drafting in accordance with this take, but I feel like I should be. I did a $350 FPC tonight and took Richardson as my QB1 (QB12 overall) at 11.01 and Purdy as my "backup" at 16.12 at QB21.
Looking at this same scenario. Took AR in the 9th as my first in a BBM4 slow draft and then QBs flew off the board. I'm up in 2 picks and the highest ADP QB left is Russ.
 
What kind of numbers are y'all expecting from Purdy this year? I rarely see him in the top 15-18 QBs, but when you look at his numbers from last year, the kid was top 3 (and maybe #1) in the final 7 weeks of the year. It would be VERY difficult to repeat what he did, but considering he was a rookie and Deebo played distracted/out of shape, he might be better set up for success.

Any projections to throw out there? 4000 passing, 30 Tds passing, 12 Ints..........with 300 rushing 4 Tds.
Bottom 10 starting QBs when the '23 season is done. Smoke screens and mirrors, not a believer, sorry
I know many are totally sold on him, I gotta watch it again this year.
He's so unfazed, so calm and so not rattled in the pocket, I just gotta see it again in 2023.
I think i'm allowed to be a doubting Thomas one more year, his 2nd season and then after that, shame on me.

he also had his arm broken in half in the last real game he played.
 
What kind of numbers are y'all expecting from Purdy this year? I rarely see him in the top 15-18 QBs, but when you look at his numbers from last year, the kid was top 3 (and maybe #1) in the final 7 weeks of the year. It would be VERY difficult to repeat what he did, but considering he was a rookie and Deebo played distracted/out of shape, he might be better set up for success.

Any projections to throw out there? 4000 passing, 30 Tds passing, 12 Ints..........with 300 rushing 4 Tds.
Bottom 10 starting QBs when the '23 season is done. Smoke screens and mirrors, not a believer, sorry
I know many are totally sold on him, I gotta watch it again this year.
He's so unfazed, so calm and so not rattled in the pocket, I just gotta see it again in 2023.
I think i'm allowed to be a doubting Thomas one more year, his 2nd season and then after that, shame on me.

he also had his arm broken in half in the last real game he played.
His arm is looking fine now, making all the same throws.
 
Why are Eagles fans trolling this topic so hard? Just because the Niners are the only competition for the Eagles in the NFC?

The Eagles injured him, isn’t that enough?
Trolling comments aside, I think its fair to question if SF can keep a QB healthy. They lost 4 QBs to injury last season and the right side of the O line is still a question mark.

For context, in 2022 PFF ranked their O line 7th in the NFL and they still managed to get 4 QBs injured. In 2023, their ranking dropped to 18th due to the right side of the line.
 
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Why are Eagles fans trolling this topic so hard? Just because the Niners are the only competition for the Eagles in the NFC?

The Eagles injured him, isn’t that enough?
Trolling comments aside, I think its fair to question if SF can keep a QB healthy. They lost 4 QBs to injury last season and the right side of the O line is still a question mark.

For context, in 2022 PFF ranked their O line 7th in the NFL and they still managed to get 4 QBs injured. In 2023, their ranking dropped to 18th due to the right side of the line.
ok, same with RBs for them - still seems mostly to be trolling and not comments like that though.
 
Why are Eagles fans trolling this topic so hard? Just because the Niners are the only competition for the Eagles in the NFC?

The Eagles injured him, isn’t that enough?
Trolling comments aside, I think its fair to question if SF can keep a QB healthy. They lost 4 QBs to injury last season and the right side of the O line is still a question mark.

For context, in 2022 PFF ranked their O line 7th in the NFL and they still managed to get 4 QBs injured. In 2023, their ranking dropped to 18th due to the right side of the line.
There is reason to believe that the pass protection will be better this year. RG Burford played well as a rookie last year and should be better this year. RT McKivitz isn't nearly the run blocker McGlinchey was, but is reportedly better in pass protection. A key for Purdy's fantasy season may be the health of the starters, because the Niners' backup OL situation is probably one of the worst in the league.

To the larger question about Purdy's fantasy value, it looks like Jimmy G finished ranked in the 17-20 range back in 2021. There's no doubt in my mind that Purdy is a better QB, at least for this offense, and has much better weapons than Jimmy did that year. So I'd say Jimmy's 2021 season is Purdy's floor and he definitely has upside beyond that.

I'm also not 100% convinced this defense will be dominant this year. Bosa's holdout makes the team's pass rush questionable (even if he returns, will he be 100% as effective? injury concerns?), and it remains to see what effect the change in defensive coordinators is going to have (I suspect very little, but who knows). So the team may have to lean on the offense a little more than some people are predicting.
 
Why are Eagles fans trolling this topic so hard? Just because the Niners are the only competition for the Eagles in the NFC?

The Eagles injured him, isn’t that enough?
Trolling comments aside, I think its fair to question if SF can keep a QB healthy. They lost 4 QBs to injury last season and the right side of the O line is still a question mark.

For context, in 2022 PFF ranked their O line 7th in the NFL and they still managed to get 4 QBs injured. In 2023, their ranking dropped to 18th due to the right side of the line.

I mean i feel like this is just some lazy analysis

Lance was hurt running the ball. JG was hurt sneezing (I kid). Purdy was actually hurt but that was just a freakish situation.

The 49ers were in the bottom 7 for sacks allowed.
 
Why are Eagles fans trolling this topic so hard? Just because the Niners are the only competition for the Eagles in the NFC?

The Eagles injured him, isn’t that enough?
Trolling comments aside, I think its fair to question if SF can keep a QB healthy. They lost 4 QBs to injury last season and the right side of the O line is still a question mark.

For context, in 2022 PFF ranked their O line 7th in the NFL and they still managed to get 4 QBs injured. In 2023, their ranking dropped to 18th due to the right side of the line.

I mean i feel like this is just some lazy analysis

Lance was hurt running the ball. JG was hurt sneezing (I kid). Purdy was actually hurt but that was just a freakish situation.

The 49ers were in the bottom 7 for sacks allowed.

To clarify the bold, they gave up the 6 fewest sacks in the league last season. Their OL was fine.
 
Why are Eagles fans trolling this topic so hard? Just because the Niners are the only competition for the Eagles in the NFC?

The Eagles injured him, isn’t that enough?
Trolling comments aside, I think its fair to question if SF can keep a QB healthy. They lost 4 QBs to injury last season and the right side of the O line is still a question mark.

For context, in 2022 PFF ranked their O line 7th in the NFL and they still managed to get 4 QBs injured. In 2023, their ranking dropped to 18th due to the right side of the line.
There is reason to believe that the pass protection will be better this year. RG Burford played well as a rookie last year and should be better this year. RT McKivitz isn't nearly the run blocker McGlinchey was, but is reportedly better in pass protection. A key for Purdy's fantasy season may be the health of the starters, because the Niners' backup OL situation is probably one of the worst in the league.

Agree. I'd rather have a RT that is better in pass pro than run blocking, so I won't miss McGlinchey. CMC doesn't need an all pro RT, he's gonna get his no matter what, and McKivitz has supposedly got better as camp went on. Let's hope so.

As for depth, I'm sure they will be scouring the waiver wire after final cuts amd will be able to find decent depth help. Again, let's hope so.
 
Why are Eagles fans trolling this topic so hard? Just because the Niners are the only competition for the Eagles in the NFC?

The Eagles injured him, isn’t that enough?
Trolling comments aside, I think its fair to question if SF can keep a QB healthy. They lost 4 QBs to injury last season and the right side of the O line is still a question mark.

For context, in 2022 PFF ranked their O line 7th in the NFL and they still managed to get 4 QBs injured. In 2023, their ranking dropped to 18th due to the right side of the line.

I mean i feel like this is just some lazy analysis

Lance was hurt running the ball. JG was hurt sneezing (I kid). Purdy was actually hurt but that was just a freakish situation.

The 49ers were in the bottom 7 for sacks allowed.
Yes, Lance was running but the other 3 were all injured due to a sack. And PFF dropped their ranking 11 spots to a below average 18th.
Point stands.
 
Why are Eagles fans trolling this topic so hard? Just because the Niners are the only competition for the Eagles in the NFC?

The Eagles injured him, isn’t that enough?
Justifying the stereotypes of their fanbases even on message boards lol

Why are Eagles fans trolling this topic so hard? Just because the Niners are the only competition for the Eagles in the NFC?

The Eagles injured him, isn’t that enough?
Trolling comments aside, I think its fair to question if SF can keep a QB healthy. They lost 4 QBs to injury last season and the right side of the O line is still a question mark.

For context, in 2022 PFF ranked their O line 7th in the NFL and they still managed to get 4 QBs injured. In 2023, their ranking dropped to 18th due to the right side of the line.
There is reason to believe that the pass protection will be better this year. RG Burford played well as a rookie last year and should be better this year. RT McKivitz isn't nearly the run blocker McGlinchey was, but is reportedly better in pass protection. A key for Purdy's fantasy season may be the health of the starters, because the Niners' backup OL situation is probably one of the worst in the league.

To the larger question about Purdy's fantasy value, it looks like Jimmy G finished ranked in the 17-20 range back in 2021. There's no doubt in my mind that Purdy is a better QB, at least for this offense, and has much better weapons than Jimmy did that year. So I'd say Jimmy's 2021 season is Purdy's floor and he definitely has upside beyond that.

I'm also not 100% convinced this defense will be dominant this year. Bosa's holdout makes the team's pass rush questionable (even if he returns, will he be 100% as effective? injury concerns?), and it remains to see what effect the change in defensive coordinators is going to have (I suspect very little, but who knows). So the team may have to lean on the offense a little more than some people are predicting.
I agree that the OL was really the only weakness last year. Defensively, 49ers stole Hargrave from the Eagles, a top 2 DL in the league. Drake Jaskson has a man's body now. This D is going to be just fine with probowlers on every level.
 
Why are Eagles fans trolling this topic so hard? Just because the Niners are the only competition for the Eagles in the NFC?

The Eagles injured him, isn’t that enough?
Trolling comments aside, I think its fair to question if SF can keep a QB healthy. They lost 4 QBs to injury last season and the right side of the O line is still a question mark.

For context, in 2022 PFF ranked their O line 7th in the NFL and they still managed to get 4 QBs injured. In 2023, their ranking dropped to 18th due to the right side of the line.

I mean i feel like this is just some lazy analysis

Lance was hurt running the ball. JG was hurt sneezing (I kid). Purdy was actually hurt but that was just a freakish situation.

The 49ers were in the bottom 7 for sacks allowed.
Yes, Lance was running but the other 3 were all injured due to a sack. And PFF dropped their ranking 11 spots to a below average 18th.
Point stands.

It really doesn't stand...yes they got injured but they gave up very few sacks comparatively

The season hasn't started so PFF grade is useless at this point
 
Why are Eagles fans trolling this topic so hard? Just because the Niners are the only competition for the Eagles in the NFC?

The Eagles injured him, isn’t that enough?
Trolling comments aside, I think its fair to question if SF can keep a QB healthy. They lost 4 QBs to injury last season and the right side of the O line is still a question mark.

For context, in 2022 PFF ranked their O line 7th in the NFL and they still managed to get 4 QBs injured. In 2023, their ranking dropped to 18th due to the right side of the line.

I mean i feel like this is just some lazy analysis

Lance was hurt running the ball. JG was hurt sneezing (I kid). Purdy was actually hurt but that was just a freakish situation.

The 49ers were in the bottom 7 for sacks allowed.
Yes, Lance was running but the other 3 were all injured due to a sack. And PFF dropped their ranking 11 spots to a below average 18th.
Point stands.
Yes Lance was running.

When DOESNT Jimmy get hurt when he gets hit? It happened in NE, it happened in SF, and it'll happen in Las Vegas. Not really an OL issue as it is a Garoppolo issue. He's made of glass. He missed almost all of 2020 with a non contact injury for F sake.

Purdys injury had nothing to do with the OL. Riddick didn't bite on a play action and the TE responsible for him on that play didn't get it done. Being hit at an odd angle causing that injury was a freak thing.

As for Josh Johnson, I have no idea what happened because I quit watching before halftime. That one you can have.
 
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It really doesn't stand...yes they got injured but they gave up very few sacks comparatively
They were also among the teams with the fewest pass attempts.
True, but not sure this is a negative for an argument about their QBs getting hurt. Running the ball more would probably have their QB hurt less anyways.

Like most things the truth is probably in the middle. They probably aren't the 10 OL that niners fans say, or a bottom 10 OL that eagles fans say. The Purdy injury was a combination of outstanding DL play, and a fluky exact spot he got hit. If I had to put money on it, I'd bet he doesn't suffer any serious injury this year.
 
It really doesn't stand...yes they got injured but they gave up very few sacks comparatively
They were also among the teams with the fewest pass attempts.
True, but not sure this is a negative for an argument about their QBs getting hurt. Running the ball more would probably have their QB hurt less anyways.

Like most things the truth is probably in the middle. They probably aren't the 10 OL that niners fans say, or a bottom 10 OL that eagles fans say. The Purdy injury was a combination of outstanding DL play, and a fluky exact spot he got hit. If I had to put money on it, I'd bet he doesn't suffer any serious injury this year.
I don't disagree, all I said was its fair to question if they can keep a QB healthy in '23. They did lose 4 to injury last year with 3 of them coming on sacks. And PFF has them ranked 18th going into '23 - down from 7th last year - with the biggest question being the right side of their O line.

I still hold the opinion its fair to question their ability to keep QBs healthy.

ETA: and to the bolded, yes running more should result in fewer QB injuries. And yet they still had the number of QB injuries that they did even as one of the teams with the fewest number of passing attempts.
 

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