Sir Psycho
Footballguy
Should I make a move to replace TLAW with Stroud ?
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QB C.J. Stroud, HOU (1 Viewer)
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WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
would have done the same thing but I have Mahomes. Won't make that mistake going forward.
I have him on my TS for this year. We are a salary cap league where player escalate if they finish in the top 15 of their position at the end of the year. The TS does not stop the escalation from happening and as of right now he sits at QB5 after yesterday (Herbert is 2 pts behind him and should knock him into 6th after tonight). I was hoping to keep him on TS all year so that I could gain a year of control and not have to burn one on this year. After the huge game yesterday he is looking very likely to finish as a top 5 QB which mean his salary escalates drastically (from $10 to $75-ish). I think I have to activate him tomorrow assuming Herbert knocks him to 6th. That would only be a $10 escalation. I don't think I can risk him faltering enough over the rest of the year to make that worth this risk.
fightingillini
Footballguy
They probably did. But the jury is still out on Young. He could be good but the Panthers OL is terrible and Stroud has better weapons to throw to, with all due respect to Thielen.
But so far, Stroud looks like the real deal and the Panthers proabably wish that they had that pick over again.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Good luck. Let me tell you how it goes for me as I have Sam Howell instead:
Last Week: benched Howell and started Stroud. Howell goes off for 44 points and Stroud gives me 14. Lost my game by 6 points.
This Week: benched Stroud and started Howell. Stroud goes of for 56 points and Howell give me 23. Lost my game by 15 points.
Week 10 : I have no idea who to freeking start now.
I would. And I would have said so a few weeks ago.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
I can't remember the last time a rookie played like this right out from the gate.
Has the highest passing yards in a single game for the season.
14-1 TD:INT ratio. I counted at least 2-3 Interception that should have happened but you could say that about any QB. Purely insane, that doesn't happen and you don't see that for a reason. The bests (Peyton, Luck, Marino) have double digit and almost a 1:1 ratio of TD/INT. Witnessing something we haven't seen before you'd think NFL would beat this story into the ground.
Current starting QB's (sorry Cousins) #2 passing yards per game. Tua is #1 obviously look at his rocket weapon Hill for starters.
#3 in yards per pass attempt w/o clear cut WR#1 stud. This stat isn't skewed by dink and dunk throws to a speedy WR who runs it half way down the field. Maybe not since Dan Marino can I remember a QB where you thought is this QB one of the best already? Why am I trying to make excuses as to why and downplay simply because he's a rookie QB and that's not possible. And Marino had a ton of interceptions rookie season like all the all time greats. I can't think of any rookie QB who doesn't have a clear cut WR1 to bail you out and end up making multiple WR legit threats.
#3 passer rating.
Funny how the mind works, if Stroud was doing this in his second year you'd say he certainly at minimum is in the mix for MVP but because he's a rookie most will say no way. Why not? Who relies this year on one player as much as Texans? They wouldn't have 4 wins no way. Even when they lost vs Panthers, Stroud told Slowik to trust him let him do his thing and take the reigns off. How many rookie QBs says that? Seriously you watch him play not once are you thinking this guy is good but clearly plays like a rookie QB. You expect to see and say that.
That said he still has a lot of room to improve and his success hasn't been done with smoke, mirrors and luck. He'd have another last offensive drive win if their defense could have stopped Ridder for crying out loud. Playing with a make shift offensive line that most couldn't name besides Tunsil and a very poor running game makes him even more impressive.
Has the highest passing yards in a single game for the season.
14-1 TD:INT ratio. I counted at least 2-3 Interception that should have happened but you could say that about any QB. Purely insane, that doesn't happen and you don't see that for a reason. The bests (Peyton, Luck, Marino) have double digit and almost a 1:1 ratio of TD/INT. Witnessing something we haven't seen before you'd think NFL would beat this story into the ground.
Current starting QB's (sorry Cousins) #2 passing yards per game. Tua is #1 obviously look at his rocket weapon Hill for starters.
#3 in yards per pass attempt w/o clear cut WR#1 stud. This stat isn't skewed by dink and dunk throws to a speedy WR who runs it half way down the field. Maybe not since Dan Marino can I remember a QB where you thought is this QB one of the best already? Why am I trying to make excuses as to why and downplay simply because he's a rookie QB and that's not possible. And Marino had a ton of interceptions rookie season like all the all time greats. I can't think of any rookie QB who doesn't have a clear cut WR1 to bail you out and end up making multiple WR legit threats.
#3 passer rating.
Funny how the mind works, if Stroud was doing this in his second year you'd say he certainly at minimum is in the mix for MVP but because he's a rookie most will say no way. Why not? Who relies this year on one player as much as Texans? They wouldn't have 4 wins no way. Even when they lost vs Panthers, Stroud told Slowik to trust him let him do his thing and take the reigns off. How many rookie QBs says that? Seriously you watch him play not once are you thinking this guy is good but clearly plays like a rookie QB. You expect to see and say that.
That said he still has a lot of room to improve and his success hasn't been done with smoke, mirrors and luck. He'd have another last offensive drive win if their defense could have stopped Ridder for crying out loud. Playing with a make shift offensive line that most couldn't name besides Tunsil and a very poor running game makes him even more impressive.
Houston has invested in its o’line pretty heavily. It hasn’t totally worked out due to injuries and a whiff on a 1st round guard, but they are pass blocking well despite being kind of a hodgepodge of starters/backups at times.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
Depends on your scoring. In league where I have Mahomes and Stroud, Stroud is #4 overall in average points per game. Only Allen, Hurts and Herbert are better. Stroud has been better 4 out of the 8 weeks when Mahomes has also played.
joey
Footballguy
Wow. Really? I don’t roster Mahomes in any leagues, and maybe it‘s just my name-recognition bias, but I find it hard to imagine benching Mahommes for a rookie.
ETA: Shocked when I just checked before posting this that Stroud is QB4 and Mahomes is QB5 in one of my league’s scoring systems But still, to start a rookie over a consistent stud QB? takes some stones.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m mad at myself for trading my picks instead of drafting Stroud.
My eyes told me who he was after his incredible bowl game.
Now I have ARich on the IR & another team got Stroud at 3.
Kid is the real deal.
My eyes told me who he was after his incredible bowl game.
Now I have ARich on the IR & another team got Stroud at 3.
Kid is the real deal.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Wow do I wish I picked him up on waivers weeks ago.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
14 Touchdowns and 1 Interception
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Now imaging being able to pick him up but keeping him on your bench this week because he laid a turd on you last week.
massraider
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Stroud is so accurate that he makes average receivers look great.
So, we had that thread about ranking QBs NFL wise a few weeks ago, and I was one of a few who had Stroud in the top-10 (I believe I had him 8th) I'm ready to say screw it. Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, that's it, I take Stroud over any other QB in the league. He's doing this with castoffs and a day 2 rookie.
ETA: Bobby Slowick is on the fast track. I bet he's a HC in 2025.
ETA: Bobby Slowick is on the fast track. I bet he's a HC in 2025.
Major
Footballguy
The recent MVP hype is definitely deserved. Crazy to think a rookie QB could even be in the discussion.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Caught quite a bit of the Bengals game, i'm a believer finally. Welcome to my lineup. Should have put you in weeks ago over Lamar Overrated Jackson.
Dizzy
Footballguy
I think he'll win it. The Texans are going to win that division and all the pre-season favorites have been less-than-stellar.
Agreed, it is amazing and we are watching history in the making.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
welcome aboard when i said a few weeks ago I am starting him over Mahomes I got some blowback! ha
Lamar Drafter and Stroud WW pickup GM here as well. Didn't start him two weeks ago, nor this last week. I am now starting him moving forward. Lamar wins games but the Ravens D is so good they don't need to pass like crazy. Also, their run game is somewhat thriving in the red zone so we don't see rushing TDs from Lamar like we thought we would. Lets go Stroud!
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BigJonE300
Footballguy
After week 4 I traded him away for a 1st and 2nd next year in a 14-team single QB league (I own Herbert). The picks are currently number 4 in each round, not going to move down at all. I'm not making that deal today.
massraider
Footballguy
Should be front runner for MVP.
Took a bottom 3 team and turned them into playoff contender
Chemical X
Footballguy
multi sport dynasty, i had the #3 pick. robinson and gibbs 1-2. i couldn’t decide on the qbs and move down to 1.7 and picked up the 2.3. it went richardson, young, njigba and flowers…..i took stroud at 1.7. grabbed rashy rice at 2.3. this might work out well.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
This guy might be pretty good. Pretty, pretty good.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Zero chance he even gets a first place vote unless Houston wins 10+ games.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
With their remaining schedule, there is a very good chance that they win 10-11 games.
Deamon
Footballguy
Damn, ya their schedule is very weak. I'd still be very surprised if he sniffs the MVP though. He's currently 7th in odds, with Hurts and Mahomes the 2 heavy favourites.
massraider
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
I mean "should be" is relative. There's a lot of people who say Rodgers "should be" mvp because he's showing how valuable he is to the team.
When I think about the MVP award, I look at it through the glasses of the voters and how they give out the award. Goes to a QB with good stats, and almost always to a team that at the very least, wins their division. What CJ is doing is far more impressive than what Hurts or Mahomes is doing, but based on how this award is given out, he probably won't and shouldn't be getting any/many votes.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
If he keeps playing like has has been the last few weeks he deserves at least one vote. He is playing like a great QB that’s been in the league for two or three years.
massraider
Footballguy
I don't.
I don't really care how the voters behave. In my opinion, he should be in the mix.
Major
Footballguy
Yep. I look at it by what I see on the field, stats, record and effect on a team. CJ is checking all the boxes.
Deamon
Footballguy
Oh ya, agreed. The guy is playing out of his mind right now. Just dont think his team is good enough to get him MVP consideration.
Roy should be a lock
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
All the experts ranking Mahomes higher this week but why? Because of the past? It's going to be very tough for me to bench Stroud and play Mahomes.
A tad concerning and hopefully nothing but Noah Brown was not present at the open portion of practice today.
A tad concerning and hopefully nothing but Noah Brown was not present at the open portion of practice today.
Deamon
Footballguy
Lots of reasons to like mahomes this week. Coming off of a bye, playing against a suspect secondary that has allowed a ton of points to qbs (I think the most or close to), Kelce got laid, and home field advantage.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
Yes but ditto for Stroud. Going by what have you done for me lately Stroud > Mahomes. I expect there to be a shoot out vs Cardinals. The Cardinals aren't the Eagles. KC suddenly will figure it out and Mahomes goes off? Sure but been saying that all season. Just curious why many have him ranked 1st or at worst 3rd while Stroud is generally 6th. Texans running game goes back to being bad or if good they have shown they will sling it.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
in my league where I have Mahomes and Stroud Eagles are 30th vs QB, Cardinals 27th so the expert rankings wide gap doesn't seem to take this into account and they are going on history unless I'm missing something. KC doesn't have the offensive weapons to date this season like Texans. Head scratcher.
Deamon
Footballguy
I think a lot of it is betting on the "tried and trusted" Mahomes over the rookie sensation. Not saying whether that's smart or not, but that surely goes into the rankings.
Vegas is predicting the following final scores:
Houston 27
Arizona 22
KC 24
Philly 22
So there's definitely an argument for starting Stroud over Mahomes.
massraider
Footballguy
No doubt. To be clear, when I said 'should' I meant in a world where everything ran the way I think it should.
If I had a vote, he's on my short list. I get that the real voting has unwritten rules or historic guidelines. And that's fine. I get as worked up about individual awards as I do power rankings.
Now that you say that tho, I think the playoffs is 100% on the menu here for this team. A bunch of flawed teams in this league right now, and if they make the playoffs this year, he will get real consideration. Now, there's probably enough voters who will count the wins, or think he has to wait his turn, or whatever, to sink him. It's a bad way to think, IMO, because Stroud getting the MVP over a Mahomes this year is better for the league. It's a better story, more engagement
BladeRunner
Footballguy
How can that be? Sam Howell has 157 more total yards than Stroud (2783 vs 2626).
(HULK)
(Smash)
Howell's bye is week 14, he's played 1 more game than Stroud
