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QB Caleb Williams, CHI (4 Viewers)
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Is this what makes him a generational talent?
Ridgeback
Footballguy
No qb would make hay behind that line. He has no time at all on virtually all plays.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Loser franchises will be loser franchises. Might be time to reevaluate fantasy impact vs the loser franchise the player ends up in. Williams and young would be better anywhere else I think. Young might be ruined forever though
steelerfan1
Footballguy
Justin Fields 2.0?
mr roboto
Footballguy
You can see the special abilities when you watch him play. He can absolutely spin it.
It looks like this team has no offensive identity and a terrible scheme. And a terrible offensive line.
Also, Caleb‘s body language is already trash. Slumping and throwing his hands up when things don’t go well isn’t gonna work in the NFL.
I don’t know why they kept this head coach when they had the number one draft pick and drafted such a talented but somewhat controversial kid. They need to go find an offensive guru somebody out of the Shanahan tree or something who can come in and really build a system around him.
I think by the end of the year if things don’t get better, Caleb is going to be toxic in Chicago and the narrative is going to be “he bust” and “Chicago is just a trash organization“
It looks like this team has no offensive identity and a terrible scheme. And a terrible offensive line.
Also, Caleb‘s body language is already trash. Slumping and throwing his hands up when things don’t go well isn’t gonna work in the NFL.
I don’t know why they kept this head coach when they had the number one draft pick and drafted such a talented but somewhat controversial kid. They need to go find an offensive guru somebody out of the Shanahan tree or something who can come in and really build a system around him.
I think by the end of the year if things don’t get better, Caleb is going to be toxic in Chicago and the narrative is going to be “he bust” and “Chicago is just a trash organization“
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
It's his second game, and the offensive line did him no justice. The Texans blitzed him to death, as they should. He has to learn. He was not a quarterback I was interested in, and I do not have any shares of him, but I would not make any judgments at this point. It is way too early, and he needs experience. He got a pretty good lesson last night and will learn from it. He needs to get the ball out faster. Process a little quicker and understand the game's speed is different than at USC. It is a process.
Pietaster2
Footballguy
That’s an insult to 2-0, undefeated in 2024 Justin Fields, who is a much better talent.
Bryce Young 2.0 fits though.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
That's a pretty extreme take, to be honest. While the stats are what they are, Caleb has shown some solid flashes in both games. As for Waldron, every offensive scheme looks great with an all-world Oline and it takes special, experienced talent to overcome poor Oline play. Caleb himself will have every chance over the next 3 years to start producing and anyone who expected him to come in and produce right away was fooling themselves. The Bears need to address the Oline early and often in both the draft and free agency. No more of this dime store OL pickups should be tolerated from Poles. I'm on record as a fan of his, but poor OL play has been a constant for the past 3 years and needs to be fixed ASAP.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Seems like you agree with me? I pointed out that the Oline is terrible.
Maybe you take offense to my feelings on the head coach, but he was on the hot seat the last couple years that’s not really a hot take.
Most of the time offensive head coaches are best for young quarterbacks. I’m not convinced Eberflus is the guy to mold/build this team. Could be wrong.
massraider
Footballguy
Same. I dunno about this staff. Then again, I dunno about most staffs.
Watching the game, I felt like the thing that teams do to slow down pass rush like that, I didn't see any of those things. Not much chipping, and the danger was all coming off the edge. I would have liked to see one play where a guy came in motion, doubled the DE, and Caleb rolled out to the right. Make Hunter run 40 yards to get him, not 6. Cut the field in half for Caleb.
Caleb made a few bad decisions going backward, but that's rookie stuff, he stepped up in the pocket a LOT in this game.
Bad O-line play on the road, in HOU, for your 2nd game. Will Anderson and Danielle Hunter. I mean, who was expecting a win? I get it, it sucks to watch if you a fan or an owner, but, IMO the Texans are one of the top teams in the AFC. They have pass rushers, they have DBs, they have stud WRs, a QB that doesn't ever seem to miss, and confidence.
Forest for the trees here people.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
No offense taken. Eberflus deserves the criticism he's gotten over the years. And yes, a top offensive mind at HC would be great to have. Totally agree on that.
I start pumping the brakes, though, when folks decide Caleb will be toxic by the end of the season. Dude is charismatic and won the locker room over when he very easily could have been the bad guy after the Fields trade. Look, he's a rookie getting up to NFL speed. There will be plenty of rookie mistakes and genius moments this season and hopefully there will be a point in the near future where things just click.
Waldron just has a lot of the signs I hate to see most in coaches. The kind of guy who has a way of doing things, a system, can't adjust. The kind of guy who plays "his guys" because he trusts them and lacks vision.
A few examples:
Gets JSN in SEA, proceeds to run a heavy two TE offense. Staying with Everett and playing "your guys", he's got some odd Gerald Everett fascination. He made Kmet a bit player in week one and I truly think only adjusted week two due to all the criticism.
Travis Homer. Another "my guy". He did not bring Homer over directly but they were together in Seattle. No idea why he keeps getting the second most snaps among the RB position. Is his pass blocking that great? Don't think he has any plan with how to use Swift. He's best as a space back, but he comes off the field on a lot of obvious passing downs meanwhile he tries to run keep running him into the teeth of the defense where Swift is kind of terrible. Whole idea of Swift was to supposed to be giving Caleb an easy answer in the passing game.
It's obviously not all on him, just not the guy I'd be have trusted to develop Caleb.
I got nothing overly negative on Eberflus. He's got the defense playing strong and they amazingly had a chance to win that game despite being soundly outplayed.
A lot of QB's are struggling right now. Really think the focus on Caleb needs to be working on a lot of easier shorter throws. Getting guys like Moore and Swift the ball in space, cutting down on the sacks and negative plays. Incorporate a lot of rollouts and get Caleb moving with a heavy dose of easier throws to give him a base and build up his confidence. This just looks like Waldron is running the Seattle offense he was running the last few years.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I have no dog in this fight, but I can't imagine any QB doing well in that offense right now considering how awful the offensive line was the first two weeks. For as much as love as Poles got for fleecing the Panthers and upgrading the skill position players, his failure to fix the offensive line might torpedo any chance the offense has this year.
Chaka
Footballguy
Swift is not a great player. Outside of a two-game hot start he couldn't produce behind one of the best offensive lines in the league last year. He averaged 4 yd per carry and under 6 yd per reception on one of the best offenses in the league.
He didn't break 100 yd rushing in any of his last 13 games and only twice did he manage 100 yd from scrimmage.
Swift's reputation is far more myth than reality.
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pinkstapler
Footballguy
I agree with pretty much this entire post. I just also found it funny that I read the bolded part and also immediately thought of Kyle Shanahan
(who's obviously had a ton of success)To be fair, I do think Kyle is more of the exception than the rule when it comes to being a rigid, stubborn, "my guy", systems coach though.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Already looking like he's got that 1000 yard stare
Manster
Footballguy
Ok, so he's got potential to be a really good player. I don't think he's going to reach any kind of potential he has with Caleb running the offense. Moore, on the other hand, is a great player who's been hamstrung by bad offenses. Looks like more of the same.
Manster
Footballguy
Yea, seems like a bad sitch for Caleb. Got weapons, but no line. He's gonna run around, take big hits, and chuck it inaccurately down field.
calcinorjones
Footballguy
Might not make it to the halfway point if these jail break hits keep coming. Further, the Bears cannot get the running game going to take pressure off CW.
Pietaster2
Footballguy
He’s come a long way from demanding what team he played for as a prospect entering the draft, demanding an ownership stake in the bears, and demanding before he signed his rookie deal that the bears rescind their right to franchise tag him when the deal ends.
That all looks really silly now.
Chaka
Footballguy
Swift couldn't get it done with Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown and a top three O-line.
If Swift has potential, what does Caleb Williams have?
Manster
Footballguy
Point taken. I thought Swift lost a lot of rushing oops with Hurts, especially goal line stuff. I figured they'd rely on Swift in chi Town. Bad line, Caleb looks overwhelmed......they're trying to say he's humble and learning and all that garbage .....not buying it
Chaka
Footballguy
He never demanded what team to play for or asked for an ownership stake in the Bears.
What he did do is ask the Bears if he could be paid as an LLC or structure his payments as a forgivable loan. The idea being those structures would help avoid certain tax burdens. The Bears had no problem with that, they took it to the league who nixed the idea without giving an explanation.
Chaka
Footballguy
What are you buying then?
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Man, I hope not. That was the biggest gripe I had with Getsy. Dude was so stuck on "his system" in his own mind that he couldn't adapt to the talent he had around him. To hire someone in a similar vein would be a big red flag in my eyes for both Poles and Eberflus. I really hope we can get past this trend of cleaning house in the front office and coaching staff with a highly drafted QB going into his 2nd year. It's gotta be incredibly detrimental to their development.
Chaka
Footballguy
Felt like less than a second from snap to sack. Seemed like that a bunch of times last night.
Plenty of times he held the ball too long too.
zamboni
Footballguy
Didn't they have Mahomes sit for a year because they had Alex Smith at the time? Don't honestly remember all the details at the time.
I mean there’s certainly a question of if Swift is any good now that he’s on his 3rd team and one with a much worse offensive line but you are talking about a vaunted Philly offense that after their BYE completely fell apart last year resulting in the OC getting fired. They barely averaged 200 yards passing a game and lost 6 out of their last 9 games the 2nd half of the season last year including the playoff game. Swift averaged 4.5ypc during that period but only 13 carries a game.
Chaka
Footballguy
Couldn't beat out Alex Smith. Further proof Mahomes sucks.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agree. If Smith hadn't blown out his knee, Mahomes would be be playing in the CFL by now.
We have it at 23 team pressures on 48 dropbacks, There were 36 total individual pressures by 10 different pass rushers. Several were on the same play.
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Chaka
Footballguy
It was after their week 11 game against Buffalo they collapsed. Swift started 10 of those games, he looked like a world beater in the first two averaging 152 yards and almost 7 yards per carry. In the following eight games before the Eagles collapse he averaged 4 per carry and 6.5 yards per reception. He collapsed long before the Eagles.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yup, he's a chucker.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I didn't really follow this at the time but looking back at it, it looks like it was really all blown way out of proportion.
For instance I tried searching on the ownership stake thing and it was all just reddit posts, tweets, youtube videos from random people, not real sources.
Had to scroll way down to find a real news source, of which it appears the origin of the story was an NBC Sports story saying that players SHOULD have the option to get equity in teams (which is actually illegal according to the league currently) that mentioned both Aaron Rodgers and "Caleb Williams' camp" had "discussed it" with teams.
When people started running with it NBC Sports posted a follow up article saying that their original article had been extrapolated, and that Caleb Williams' "camp" was mostly actually Caleb's dad mentioning it among other things that might maximize a first contract, and that when they interviewed Caleb himself about it he had no idea that it was even something anyone had mentioned to the teams.
But of course by that point people had taken off with it and the story developed its own narrative.
Similar to the picking his team thing. Best I can find of that is an interview where they ask him which teams he would want to play for most where he lists several, and then finishes the statement with "but I'll play for anyone".
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I joke because I honestly expected Caleb to be Russel Wilson rookie season good.
Pietaster2
Footballguy
Just imagine what someone with this mindset is going to be like for an organization the moment they become a tiny bit unhappy. Lots of red flags. If he resembles anything close to returning on his #1 draft capital, Caleb will probably make the current Ja’Marr Chase situation look small in comparison. Beware college players who sit out their bowl games in college to preserve their draft stock. Bears recruited their own problems here.
I doubt if it will be a problem though, because I see a Bryce Young arc playing out in real time. This guy isn’t a top tier talent.
Chaka
Footballguy
What are the red flags, exactly?
The list of players sitting out is only going to get longer. It's not to preserve draft stock it's to make sure they even get the opportunity to play in the NFL. I'd bet Jaylon Smith would do it differently if he could.
What problem are we talking about after two games?
FTR: I don't honestly expect you to answer. It's clear you made up your mind about Caleb a long time ago. Bruins fan? Sooners, maybe?
DocHolliday
Footballguy
He is a rookie in a struggling offense with a weak O line. I don’t know if he will ever be great but it is too early to determine that he is a bust like Bryce Young.
massraider
Footballguy
All that garbage was debunked in this thread already. Search for my posts, I address them all.
Bunch of made up click bait.
Your inability to separate fact from fiction does not mean Caleb has a bad attitude.
No direct quotes from Caleb with a list of teams, nothing about ownership beyond a hot take PFT "what if?" post. Nothing from him about refusing to play in CHI, nothing about going back in the draft.
It was all garbage.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Wasn't this trend started by Christian McCaffrey? Like he didn't even do it after it had already become normalized, he was the one that started it? Seems like he worked out pretty okay.
Chaka
Footballguy
IDK seems pretty clear the Fantasy Football Gods made him pay this season!
-OZ-
Footballguy
David Carr 2.0 seems far more reasonable.
Good talent, horrible organization.
I’m not sure Mahomes would succeed in Chicago.
