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QB Dak Prescott, DAL (1 Viewer)
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This part of their blurb is 100% accurate but in last week I still see people who think Dak gambled and lost and/or Dallas won by Dak not accepting their extension prior to the 2020 season.
Dak gambled and provided his ankle heals and no horrific career ending injury occurs he won and won big. If you think if he played poorly in 2021 he'd lose on what Dallas was offering I'd bring up exhibit A, let's call it Carson Wentz. Keeping in mind whatever guarantees he turned down in the earlier extension by this point he'd have seen $68M.
Dallas is now in a position of paying Dak $37M and watching him hit UFA next year as possibly the most coveted young QB to ever hit the open market or reaching a long term deal with him when he holds all the leverage. That's the position they put themselves in by not extending him last year. Saying that I don't blame Dallas like I see a lot of people do for putting themselves in this position, you can walk a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
There is world that exists where Dak's play would decline so much that Dallas will win by him not having accepted their earlier extension. I won't argue against that, but this is not how Dallas wanted this to play out so far. For Dak, even with tearing up his ankle, he's were he wants to be.
BTW if what this guy is saying is true, and I don't think it is but he is the guy who broke the story on Dak getting a second surgery and is a sports radio host in Dallas, then almost everything I wrote in the post above will be proven as wrong.
@MikeBacsik “I think there’s a possibility they release Dak Prescott in June...I know something that nobody else knows & it’s very tough to keep my mouth shut on this...I’m just telling you, I know something & the Cowboys know it to & Dak knows it to.
@MikeBacsik “I think there’s a possibility they release Dak Prescott in June...I know something that nobody else knows & it’s very tough to keep my mouth shut on this...I’m just telling you, I know something & the Cowboys know it to & Dak knows it to.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Ugh.
What really sucks is that the Cowboys, for a minute there we were drafting great and drafting the right type of players, read offensive and defensive lineman, linebackers in corners.
Now that they’ve messed up made everything Dak friendly, he went out put up a bunch of points in a bunch of yards and now the whole thing is upside down.
Now Dak wants elite money and deserves it based on his play. This will cripple the team and they need to show him all the players that will be playing for different teams because he wants top dollar.
Cowboys should walk this through with Dak and see if they’re OK with struggling while they rebuild once his contract is a few years down the road.
Depending on how that looks- might be best to trade Dak.
What really sucks is that the Cowboys, for a minute there we were drafting great and drafting the right type of players, read offensive and defensive lineman, linebackers in corners.
Now that they’ve messed up made everything Dak friendly, he went out put up a bunch of points in a bunch of yards and now the whole thing is upside down.
Now Dak wants elite money and deserves it based on his play. This will cripple the team and they need to show him all the players that will be playing for different teams because he wants top dollar.
Cowboys should walk this through with Dak and see if they’re OK with struggling while they rebuild once his contract is a few years down the road.
Depending on how that looks- might be best to trade Dak.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Possible to sign and trade him but yeah, they havent managed to do the first part for what feels like years now.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
I have trouble understanding why one player wants literally everything the team has even though it will end up crippling the ability of the team to remain competitive. I mean, at some point, the price has to become cost prohibitive no matter how good the player may be doesn't it?
Shawnky
Footballguy
Do you believe in capitalism? If so, then there's your answer. Not everyone can marry someone who makes more money than them like Brady.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Capitalism has nothing to do with this and belongs in another thread and eventually to the political forum.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Its not literally everything but your point still rings true. Im Daks biggest fan but it makes the most sense for the Cowboys to move on from him at this point.
I think I already said this but...Sad to say...
Trade Dak and another offensive player you dont need.
Draft Mac Jones and go OL/Defense indefinitely.
Shawnky
Footballguy
It has everything to do with this. I'll drop it there. Not being political at all. Dak wants to be paid his worth. Some might not agree he's worth that, and that's their opinion......but it's nothing more than their opinion.
Just like it's nothing more than Dak's opinion.Shawnky said:
Because they're selfish greedy arrogant b*stards. I agree completely with your post. Most teams can't overcome franchise QB contracts. Like you said, it's crippling. Give me a rookie QB every five years or a solid but unspectacular veteran and spend the money elsewhere.DallasDMac said:
Shawnky
Footballguy
You're right, it does. But at some point it will have to correct, and I think that will come sooner rather than later as teams figure out that just 1 QB with an over-the-moon franchise contract has won the Super Bowl in the last 9 years (and that one was probably engineered with questionable cap gymnastics, if I recall correctly).
Not in a bubble, no. But when the total compensation is limited to a finite number to be spread among your teammates and make the team competitive, then yes. There's a "reasonable" franchise QB contract and there's an "unreasonable" franchise QB contract. If the Cowboys think that Dak's demands fall into the latter, then let him go ruin some other team (in the financial/competitive sense).
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm not sure that this whole "Super Bowl = non-expensive QB" thing holds water. Seems like correlation but not causation. Or at least it's the wrong metric.
14 teams in the playoffs. A majority featured high priced QBs.
There's a lot that goes into winning a Super Bowl. Only one team wins each year. Drawing conclusions is tough.
14 teams in the playoffs. A majority featured high priced QBs.
There's a lot that goes into winning a Super Bowl. Only one team wins each year. Drawing conclusions is tough.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Assuming the numbers Cowherd put up Friday are correct, here is how much of the cap the starting QB on recent Super Bowl winners have counted for on their teams.
2020 Brady 13.9%
2019 Mahomes 2.3%
2018 Brady 12.2%
2017 Foles 0.9%
2016 Brady 8.6%
2015 P Manning 11.6%
2014 Brady 10.6%
2013 Wilson 0.4%
2012 Flacco 6.6%
2011 E Manning 11.6%
If Dak gets franchised, he will account for 20% of their cap space.
In most cases, I have no problem with a player trying to get as much money as they can, but Dallas is out of their minds if they keep Dak and pay him that much money. They have one playoff win in five seasons with him not making as much money as he'd make in 2021. Are they really going to get better as a team around him once he is taking up 1/5 of your cap??
I was counting P.Manning as the outlier in my 9-year statement, but if these numbers are right then he fits in with the rest (or maybe that's where the cap gymnastics came in).
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Well there's the general argument and then there's the specific Dallas argument.
In general, the reason more teams haven't won more Super Bowls the last decade (really two) is because they can't beat Tom Brady. For six of the twelve winners above the QB accounted for in the neighborhood of 10% of the cap. That's not nothing. So I think you can win with an "expensive" QB.
But talking about Dallas specifically...no way should they pay him 20% of their cap. I wonder if it would have been possible to sign and trade him last year. Would the Bengals have taken Dak for the 1.1, Dalton and AJ Green for example (the latter two whom the Cowboys would then likely cut in salary cap relief)? Super hypothetical, I know...
In general, the reason more teams haven't won more Super Bowls the last decade (really two) is because they can't beat Tom Brady. For six of the twelve winners above the QB accounted for in the neighborhood of 10% of the cap. That's not nothing. So I think you can win with an "expensive" QB.
But talking about Dallas specifically...no way should they pay him 20% of their cap. I wonder if it would have been possible to sign and trade him last year. Would the Bengals have taken Dak for the 1.1, Dalton and AJ Green for example (the latter two whom the Cowboys would then likely cut in salary cap relief)? Super hypothetical, I know...
10% is not nothing, but 20% is a whole lot more.
Does anyone know where do the other playoff QBs fall?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Lol, yes you did. I guess I was trying to say that 10% isn't relatively expensive in the QB market.I think that's what I said...?
I preached in this thread a few times people were overreacting to his injury and it would not cost him a dime. I also said a few times the hangup was not over money but Dak wanted to be tied to Dallas for less years then Dallas wanted him tied up.
He got the years he wanted and ALL of the money.
I do not hate saying I told you so.
He got the years he wanted and ALL of the money.
I do not hate saying I told you so.
