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QB Dak Prescott, DAL (1 Viewer)

Cowboysfan8 said:
This is at least the third time I’ve read this and I’ve questioned it a few times ....nothing 

Can you tell me what Daks cap hit is this year, and then what % of 180 mil (salary cap this year) that is?
I've seen 11.5% and 12.4%. That's good for this year. But it's the first year of the deal, so it's going to be the lowest.

I did read a Schefter tweet that alluded to this being a signal Jerruh knows the new TV deal is going to be massive and the cap will go up by a ton, so maybe it won't turn out to be too bad. But on the face of it, it looks like good news for the rest of the NFCE. 

 
I've seen 11.5% and 12.4%. That's good for this year. But it's the first year of the deal, so it's going to be the lowest.

I did read a Schefter tweet that alluded to this being a signal Jerruh knows the new TV deal is going to be massive and the cap will go up by a ton, so maybe it won't turn out to be too bad. But on the face of it, it looks like good news for the rest of the NFCE. 
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/09/cowboys-save-more-than-15-million-in-cap-space-with-new-dak-prescott-deal/

With $13.2 million in annual cap charges from the $66 million signing bonus for 2021 through 2025, the cap numbers for the balance of the deal become $33.2 million, $44.2 million, and $47.2 million for 2022, 2023, and 2024, respectively. However, the deal (we’re told) gives the Cowboys the ability to convert pay to a signing bonus at any time. Next year’s $20 million base salary likely will be flipped to a signing bonus, with the 2022 minimum salary of $1.12 million and the $18.88 million balance spread over the five remaining years, reducing the 2022 cap charge from $33.2 million to $18 million.

Those dollars eventually will hit the cap, but they aren’t subject to inflation. As the cap grows and grows, the relative impact of those cap charges shrinks.

Still, a 2022 restructuring will increase the 2024 cap number over $50 million. That makes a new deal after 2023 even more likely.

12 mil  and 18 mil cap hits the next 2 yrs  don’t look like good news for the rest of the East to me

 
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/09/cowboys-save-more-than-15-million-in-cap-space-with-new-dak-prescott-deal/

With $13.2 million in annual cap charges from the $66 million signing bonus for 2021 through 2025, the cap numbers for the balance of the deal become $33.2 million, $44.2 million, and $47.2 million for 2022, 2023, and 2024, respectively. However, the deal (we’re told) gives the Cowboys the ability to convert pay to a signing bonus at any time. Next year’s $20 million base salary likely will be flipped to a signing bonus, with the 2022 minimum salary of $1.12 million and the $18.88 million balance spread over the five remaining years, reducing the 2022 cap charge from $33.2 million to $18 million.

Those dollars eventually will hit the cap, but they aren’t subject to inflation. As the cap grows and grows, the relative impact of those cap charges shrinks.

Still, a 2022 restructuring will increase the 2024 cap number over $50 million. That makes a new deal after 2023 even more likely.

12 mil  and 18 mil cap hits the next 2 yrs  don’t look like good news for the rest of the East to me
Everyone is reacting to the raw numbers and trotting out the same lines as when any quarterback resets the market. Apparently the only QB worth signing after a rookie deal is Mahomes.

Folks need to get used to the fact that this is how it is. What was Dallas supposed to do? Let Dak walk and rebuild while the East is a junkyard? Tag him again? Bottom line is they're going to have to draft well just like any team to fill out their roster. Lock in a QB who always gives you a chance to win and go from there.

 
Just like it's nothing more than Dak's opinion.

Because they're selfish greedy arrogant b*stards.  I agree completely with your post.  Most teams can't overcome franchise QB contracts.  Like you said, it's crippling.  Give me a rookie QB every five years or a solid but unspectacular veteran and spend the money elsewhere. 
Poorly run teams can not but somehow teams like Green Bay, Pittsburgh, New England, New Orleans, and Seattle have winning season after winning season while paying franchise QBs.

 
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/09/cowboys-save-more-than-15-million-in-cap-space-with-new-dak-prescott-deal/

With $13.2 million in annual cap charges from the $66 million signing bonus for 2021 through 2025, the cap numbers for the balance of the deal become $33.2 million, $44.2 million, and $47.2 million for 2022, 2023, and 2024, respectively. However, the deal (we’re told) gives the Cowboys the ability to convert pay to a signing bonus at any time. Next year’s $20 million base salary likely will be flipped to a signing bonus, with the 2022 minimum salary of $1.12 million and the $18.88 million balance spread over the five remaining years, reducing the 2022 cap charge from $33.2 million to $18 million.

Those dollars eventually will hit the cap, but they aren’t subject to inflation. As the cap grows and grows, the relative impact of those cap charges shrinks.

Still, a 2022 restructuring will increase the 2024 cap number over $50 million. That makes a new deal after 2023 even more likely.

12 mil  and 18 mil cap hits the next 2 yrs  don’t look like good news for the rest of the East to me
What are you referring to with the 12 mil and 18 mil cap hits? Daks cap hits the next 2 years are $22 mil and $33 mil.

 
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Poorly run teams can not but somehow teams like Green Bay, Pittsburgh, New England, New Orleans, and Seattle have winning season after winning season while paying franchise QBs.
Do they win Super Bowls?  Tom Brady famously took less money in order to help his team win.  Or so the story goes anyway.

 
Check overthecap.com. The cap hits are $22 mil and $33 mil for 2021 and 2022.
Next year’s $20 million base salary likely will be flipped to a signing bonus, with the 2022 minimum salary of $1.12 million and the $18.88 million balance spread over the five remaining years, reducing the 2022 cap charge from $33.2 million to $18 million.

I just c+p that from the post you quoted yesterday 

 
Next year’s $20 million base salary likely will be flipped to a signing bonus, with the 2022 minimum salary of $1.12 million and the $18.88 million balance spread over the five remaining years, reducing the 2022 cap charge from $33.2 million to $18 million.

I just c+p that from the post you quoted yesterday 
Yeah I heard yesterday that the Cowboys build all those restructures into players contracts and have been for years. They don’t even need to ask the player for permission, just call their agent and say they are going through with the restructure. Players never complain cause who doesn’t want more money in hand sooner than later. 
 

They aren’t the best front office in football but they’re in the top 10. 

 
Next year’s $20 million base salary likely will be flipped to a signing bonus, with the 2022 minimum salary of $1.12 million and the $18.88 million balance spread over the five remaining years, reducing the 2022 cap charge from $33.2 million to $18 million.

I just c+p that from the post you quoted yesterday 
So since you are saying likely, you mean that it hasn't happened yet, yes? Is this based on something Jerry said or some other source, or you just speculating based on your knowledge of how the Cowboys do things? I am not trying to be difficult, just trying to ascertain where the information you are relaying is coming from.

 
So since you are saying likely, you mean that it hasn't happened yet, yes? Is this based on something Jerry said or some other source, or you just speculating based on your knowledge of how the Cowboys do things? I am not trying to be difficult, just trying to ascertain where the information you are relaying is coming from.
I don’t know if this is exactly what you’re asking for but this seems to have a pretty good breakdown of the contract.

ETA- Cowboys have been doing the restructure thing for a long time now. They do it with several players each offseason. 

 
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So since you are saying likely, you mean that it hasn't happened yet, yes? Is this based on something Jerry said or some other source, or you just speculating based on your knowledge of how the Cowboys do things? I am not trying to be difficult, just trying to ascertain where the information you are relaying is coming from.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/09/cowboys-save-more-than-15-million-in-cap-space-with-new-dak-prescott-deal/

With $13.2 million in annual cap charges from the $66 million signing bonus for 2021 through 2025, the cap numbers for the balance of the deal become $33.2 million, $44.2 million, and $47.2 million for 2022, 2023, and 2024, respectively. However, the deal (we’re told) gives the Cowboys the ability to convert pay to a signing bonus at any time. Next year’s $20 million base salary likely will be flipped to a signing bonus, with the 2022 minimum salary of $1.12 million and the $18.88 million balance spread over the five remaining years, reducing the 2022 cap charge from $33.2 million to $18 million.

Those dollars eventually will hit the cap, but they aren’t subject to inflation. As the cap grows and grows, the relative impact of those cap charges shrinks.

Still, a 2022 restructuring will increase the 2024 cap number over $50 million. That makes a new deal after 2023 even more likely.
Everything in that post is c+p from the article linked in the post

im not saying it’s “likely”. It’s from the article 

 
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Everything in that post is c+p from the article linked in the post

im not saying it’s “likely”. It’s from the article 
And the article says it's likely, meaning it hasn't happened yet. So to be factually correct, Dak's cap hit is $22 mil and $33 the next two years, and the Cowboys have the option to convert 2022 salary to signing bonus to reduce the cap hit in that year if they need to. Which we have seen Jerry do time and time again. It is a strategy that works well, unless the player in question has a career ending injury early in the contract, or the TV revenue flattens and the cap stops going up. Romo is an example of the Cowboys having to take a big cap hit because he didn't make it through his big contract.

 
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And the article says it's likely, meaning it hasn't happened yet. So to be factually correct, Dak's cap hit is $22 mil and $33 the next two years, and the Cowboys have the option to convert 2022 salary to signing bonus to reduce the cap hit in that year if they need to. Which we have seen Jerry do time and time again. It is a strategy that works well, unless the player in question has a career ending injury early in the contract, or the TV revenue flattens and the cap stops going up. Romo is an example of the Cowboys having to take a big cap hit because he didn't make it through his big contract.
Ok

 
I'm actually a little surprised the league allows teams to play with contract values each year, bypassing salary cap limitations. Why have salary cap limits if teams can just move money around on paper and bypass them anyways?

 
I'm actually a little surprised the league allows teams to play with contract values each year, bypassing salary cap limitations. Why have salary cap limits if teams can just move money around on paper and bypass them anyways?
They can’t necessarily bypass the rules. The $ just gets pushed into the future yrs the way I understand it

 
They can’t necessarily bypass the rules. The $ just gets pushed into the future yrs the way I understand it
"However, the deal (we’re told) gives the Cowboys the ability to convert pay to a signing bonus at any time. Next year’s $20 million base salary likely will be flipped to a signing bonus, with the 2022 minimum salary of $1.12 million and the $18.88 million balance spread over the five remaining years, reducing the 2022 cap charge from $33.2 million to $18 million."

I don't know how that can be viewed as anything other than skewing the numbers to bypass the cap. :shrug:  And the league apparently allows it, which I simply don't understand. 

 
Dak Prescott (ankle) said he feels healthy and will be ready for the start of the season.

The Cowboys were comfortable enough with Prescott’s ankle to give him $126 million guaranteed this offseason. He’s been setback-free in his rehab but will likely be limited at OTAs. Prescott should be ready for the start of training camp and remains on track for Week 1.

SOURCE: NFL Network

Mar 14, 2021, 12:35 PM ET

 
I'm not sure what you mean.  Dallas has tried to extend him.  He wouldn't sign, because it appears his asking price was astronomical.  Good for Dak, but ultimately very bad for the Cowboys.   
They could have paid less to sign him 2 years ago than what they just signed him for.

Thats all I'm saying.

 
They could have paid less to sign him 2 years ago than what they just signed him for.

Thats all I'm saying.
Maybe it was just the tone of the first post I quoted.  It seemed to imply they didn't try to sign him to an extension two years ago.  They did.  He wanted more money than what was offered.  It appears what he wanted was rather large (but I guess it was significantly less back then?), so they kept him on his rookie deal and a franchise tag.  They were always ultimately going to lose this game of chicken no matter what unless they were willing to let him walk. 

Maybe it won't matter with the cap probably sky rocketing sooner rather than later. 

 
Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy said Dak Prescott (ankle) is on track to participate in training camp this summer. 

"Yeah. I have no reason not to think that," McCarthy said when asked whether Prescott would join the team for training camp in July. McCarthy said Dak has had "excellent workouts" over the past couple weeks. Coming off a nightmarish ankle injury last fall, Prescott's health and availability is worth monitoring in the coming months, but it appears he'll be back under center for Dallas to start the 2021 season. 

SOURCE: Michael Gehlken on Twitter 

May 15, 2021, 3:20 PM ET

 
Dak Prescott underwent an MRI after leaving Wednesday's practice with arm soreness and has been diagnosed with a strained muscle in his throwing shoulder. 

“I felt some soreness when making certain throws today, and I really just decided not to push things too far," Prescott said. "Better to be cautious and smart about it. I don’t see this as any kind of serious setback. We’ll treat it on a daily basis, and I’ll be fine.” Despite Prescott's optimistic words, the fact that he underwent an MRI at all does reveal some level of concern from the team. It is possible he is shut down for several days, or even a week or two, from throwing. That would not have him in danger of missing Week 1, but it is clearly something to monitor as the 28-year-old (on Thursday) works his way back from last year's catastrophic leg injury. 

SOURCE: Jane Slater on Twitter 

Jul 28, 2021, 7:29 PM ET

 
Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy said Dak Prescott’s shoulder injury is "minor."

“I don’t know if you put him in a limited category," McCarthy explained. "He’ll do all the run game stuff, all the footwork stuff. But we’ve just gotta shut him down from throwing for a couple days.” There's clearly no need to push Prescott at this time, especially with a full month to go before the team kicks off against the defending Super Bowl champions in the regular season opener. It would be in Dallas' best interest to hold Prescott out from preseason action altogether, too. Fantasy managers shouldn't worry about the franchise cornerstone or this offense just yet, though that could change if Prescott's injury lingers into Week 1.

SOURCE: Jon Machota on Twitter

Jul 29, 2021, 12:10 PM ET

 
FOX's Jay Glazer reports Dak Prescott (shoulder) is dealing with "more of a baseball injury," but is still expected to be ready for Week 1. 

Per Glazer, the injury is "kind of under the arm pit," and the Cowboys' training staff actually got in touch with the Texans Rangers for "just for a little more help." Glazer still insists the 'Boys "fully expect" Dak out there for the opener. Dak's injury has gone from supposedly day to day to week to week to now not even a traditional football ailment, but the prognosis has always remained the same: He will be ready for Week 1. We will monitor closely and hope that does not change. 

SOURCE: Jay Glazer on Twitter 

Aug 5, 2021, 7:35 PM ET

 
Heard on radio this morning that his injury is worse than what is being told. Reportedly threw short left handed passes only at camp yesterday. Baseball injury as stated above could be rotator cuff. That would not be good. ESPN reporter. Don't remember who. It wasn't t Schefter

 
Heard on radio this morning that his injury is worse than what is being told. Reportedly threw short left handed passes only at camp yesterday. Baseball injury as stated above could be rotator cuff. That would not be good. ESPN reporter. Don't remember who. It wasn't t Schefter


I was weary when they called the Rangers medical staff for further clarification/"a little more help". IMO that's not a minor injury/training camp soreness if the medical staff of a pro NFL team seeks a more specialized opinion.

 
(RotoWire) Prescott (right shoulder) threw about 30 passes "to his left and right with most throws either short or intermediate," while working off to the side during Tuesday's practice, Todd Archer of ESPN.com reports.

Analysis: The report notes that Prescott and wideout Amari Cooper (ankle) -- who came off the PUP list Tuesday -- went through a series of two-minute drill work together, a session that marked the most work that the QB has done with the media present since July 28. Though neither Prescott nor Cooper seem likely to see preseason action in short order, what the duo did Tuesday aligns with the notion that both players are progressing well toward their goals of being good to go for Dallas' regular-season opener.

 
That's good. But see what happens the rest of the week(s). If he throws Wednesday And Thursday, I'll be more inclined to believe that it is a minor injury like McCarthy said.

 
"Ruh-roh!"

Dak Prescott (shoulder) will undergo another MRI after the Cowboys break training camp this weekend.

Dallas' official Twitter account sent out a strange tweet, saying "it's not a setback and not a reason to worry." It sounds like it's more part of the plan as Prescott recovers from his strained shoulder. There's no way the Cowboys wouldn't just get the imaging now if Prescott experienced any sort of setback. Prescott stresses he could still play in the Cowboys' final preseason game, but he has his eyes set on Week 1.

SOURCE: dallascowboys.com

Aug 11, 2021, 8:52 PM ET

 

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