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SNY's Ralph Vacchiano reports Daniel Jones (neck) is likely out for Week 14 against the Chargers. 

Jones, who has not been cleared for contact after missing practice last week and the Giants' Week 13 loss to Miami, might see a specialist for his neck strain. The injury is expected to keep him sidelined for several weeks. Meanwhile, Mike Glennon suffered a concussion against the Dolphins, leaving Jake Fromm -- who signed with the Giants last week -- as the team's likely Week 14 starter against LA. It's a disastrous end to a disastrous season for Big Blue. Every fantasy-relevant Giant should be downgraded if Fromm is under center. 

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SOURCE: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter 

Dec 6, 2021, 12:13 PM ET

 
God, I hate having this guy in a start 1 qb dynasty league.  Please give me permission to move on. I believe he ranks in the mid-20 and would prefer almost any decent dart throw backup RB over him.  He's on most dynasty start 1qb rosters, but I'm not sure he should be.

 
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God, I hate having this guy in a start 1 qb dynasty league.  Please give me permission to move on. I believe he ranks in the mid-20 and would prefer almost any decent dart throw backup RB over him.  He's on most dynasty start 1qb rosters, but I'm not sure he should be.
He is not terrible as a backup placeholder.  His floor is fairly consistent and he can put up top 10 numbers occasionally.  He is safe if you have a solid QB1 where you are not streaming.  He is also easily droppable if you find a better flavor for some reason.  I think he should be rostered as he is in the top 24-28 QB's (backup range) but isn't a must keep if you see something better.  

I also think he has been hampered by coaches and skill guy injuries.  He really hasn't had a clean slate to show what he can really do.

 
He is not terrible as a backup placeholder.  His floor is fairly consistent and he can put up top 10 numbers occasionally.  He is safe if you have a solid QB1 where you are not streaming.  He is also easily droppable if you find a better flavor for some reason.  I think he should be rostered as he is in the top 24-28 QB's (backup range) but isn't a must keep if you see something better.  

I also think he has been hampered by coaches and skill guy injuries.  He really hasn't had a clean slate to show what he can really do.
The mature adult response.  I'm the child that needs to be told to drop him :)   I'm itching, but have resisted for some odd reason.  I have Mac Jones, Hurts, Watson, and Wilson.

 
The mature adult response.  I'm the child that needs to be told to drop him :)   I'm itching, but have resisted for some odd reason.  I have Mac Jones, Hurts, Watson, and Wilson.
You have my permission to drop Daniel Jones.   

NOTE:  He will be picked up by someone else and within in a year be a top 10 QB

 
The mature adult response.  I'm the child that needs to be told to drop him :)   I'm itching, but have resisted for some odd reason.  I have Mac Jones, Hurts, Watson, and Wilson.
Drop Jones.  Even if he's starting next year (he shouldn't be based on performance, which should tell you all you need to know) the giants are more than a year away from rebuilding that overall terrible offense.

 
ESPN's Jordan Ranaan reports Daniel Jones (neck) has not been cleared for Week 15 against Dallas.

Team doctors are reportedly erring on the side of caution with Jones' neck in order to avoid making matters worse. Raanan adds that there is "still some hope" Jones can return this year but time is admittedly running out. Mike Glennon has underwhelmed with 4.7 YPA as a wet blanket in his last two starts for Jones and will continue doing so for the foreseeable future.

SOURCE: Jordan Raanan on Twitter

Dec 14, 2021, 5:32 PM ET

 
ESPN's Jordan Raanan reports the Giants are shutting down Daniel Jones (neck) for the remainder of the 2021 season.

The 2021 season is a lost cause for the 4-10 Giants so it makes sense for them to give Jones a head start on healing for next year. At this point, the purpose of their final three games is to boost the value of their draft picks with Mike Glennon leading the charge. For now, it's safe to assume that Jones will get one more year to prove that he can be the face of this franchise. The 2022 draft class is expected to be weak at quarterback and Jones' 11 games with a constantly-rotating cast of unhealthy receivers don't provide a clear answer on his long-term potential. Jones ends his third season as a pro ends with 10 touchdowns and seven interceptions. He averaged 6.8 yards per attempt and scored on a pitiful, 2.8 percent of his throws. Jones did add some value as a runner, posting 298 yards and two scores on the ground.

SOURCE: Jordan Raanan on Twitter

Dec 20, 2021, 3:59 PM ET

 
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Giants plan on bringing back Daniel Jones and head coach Joe Judge for the 2022 season.

Jones has already been shut down for the year because of a neck issue and his team is playing the final three games of the year with no motivation as the Giants are already out of playoff contention. Jones failed to make much progress as a passer while dealing with a rotating group of receivers and multiple injuries. He appears to be a lost cause but the Giants likely want to evaluate him under better circumstances to be sure. Judge now sits at 10-20 as New York's head coach and his team was just as disappointing this year as they were in 2020. He enters 2022 on the hottest seat of any coach. A sluggish start to the season will likely spell the end of his tenure.
I'm sorry, Giants fans. I honestly am.

I mean, your franchise is one of my five least favorite in the league...but nobody deserves this.

 
Seems like the lack of top rookie QBs this coming April is the only thing saving Jones, especially given that the Giants have the 5th and 6th picks (right now).

I think the Giants may instead go after an experienced vet to push Jones - kind of like a Bridgewater type.

 
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Daniel Jones (neck) said he "absolutely" expects to be fully cleared by summer.

Jones added that the neck injury doesn't affect his ability to workout, run, or throw. Jones missed the final six games of the year because of the injury but the team was also completely unmotivated to bring him back to an already-lost season. Jones will return for the 2022 season and attempt to salvage a subpar career thus far. He bottomed out in 2021, throwing 10 touchdowns and seven interceptions while playing in 11 games. A healthy receiving room will help Jones get things on track next year but it's on him to make fewer mistakes and be more consistent as a thrower. He will likely get some hype as a solid QB2 option in fantasy drafts because of his rushing juice.

SOURCE: Ryan Dunleavy on Twitter

Jan 10, 2022, 1:12 PM ET

 
In his introductory press conference Wednesday, Giants general manager Joe Schoen told reporters that the new offense will accentuate what Daniel Jones does best.

Schoen highlighted Jones' work ethic, arm strength, and rushing ability, and indicated he will sit down with the yet-to-be-hired offensive staff and form a plan to build around what Jones does best. Of course, giving Jones a chance to succeed does not in any way rule out bringing in quarterback competition in the draft. Given their cap situation, though, the Giants seem unlikely to be players in the free agent quarterback market. It's also possible that Schoen sticks with Jones as the clear starter in 2022. Jones remains on his rookie deal through 2022 and the Giants can exercise his fifth year this offseason to keep him under contract through 2023. Jones has a very narrow path to holding onto the Giants starting job in the long term, but it's possible an overhaul of the front office and coaching staff can revive his career.

SOURCE: Jordan Raanan on Twitter

Jan 26, 2022, 12:31 PM ET

 
I am still a half hearted believer.  His offensive line and coaching has been terrible.  If they improve the O-line, give him a real coach, and decent weapons I would give him a chance.  
I am as well. I dealt courtland suttton for him & while I’m as-yet unconvinced that he’s capable of sustained greatness, I have seen enough to believe there’s something there. He’s a big mobile QB with a good arm - I would at least like to see one season where he has a decent coaching staff, a quality OL, and enough weapons to say definitively “he’s great” or “he sucks!”

he’s still just 24 years old. I believe he could be a very good FF QB, and a decent NFL QB as well. 

But for now we have incomplete data. I get the haters. I don’t think they’re particularly logical as there just hasn’t been enough to assess, but I get it.

Maybe this will be the year. 

 
SNY.tv's Ralph Vacchiano reports Giants head coach Brian Daboll is "very high" on Daniel Jones. 

Vacchiano cited sources who said Daboll and new Giants general manager Joe Schoen told team ownership that the team could win with Jones under center. The team has stunted Jones' growth and potential at every turn. Jason Garrett's bland, predictable offense never put Jones in position to succeed, and the Giants' schematic and organizational dysfunction under Joe Judge did the quarterback no favors. As Giants owner John Mara put it: “We’ve done everything possible to screw this kid up.” A mobile QB with a serviceably strong throwing arm, Jones probably doesn't have the ceiling of Josh Allen -- who Daboll developed in Buffalo -- but has a hint of upside in a more inventive offensive system that plays to his strengths. 

SOURCE: SNY.tv 

Jan 31, 2022, 8:56 AM ET

 
The Athletic's Jeff Howe reports that Daniel Jones wanted to return from his sprained neck ligament at the end of the season.

The scary part here for fantasy owners is where Howe speculates that the Giants may want to limit Jones' in-game running to protect him. The Giants didn't exactly have Jones run the read-option every down or anything, but they were 11th in SportsRadar's charting with 105 total RPO plays. Jones is at his best from a fantasy perspective if he's adding yardage on the ground and any kind of reduction in his carry load would be tough to stomach for the narrative that he'll take a leap under new HC Brian Daboll.

SOURCE: Jeff Howe on Twitter

Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM ET

 
the Giants may want to limit Jones' in-game running to protect him.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :sadbanana:

/Vader

 
Yahoo Sports’s John Fennelly reports Giants QB Daniel Jones was a “selling point” for the team’s general manager job this offseason.

"We did (nine) general manager interviews and (six) head coach interviews, every single one was positive about Daniel,” Giants co-owner John Mara said last week. “They were excited about the potential. That’s the way we feel. We certainly haven’t given up.” The Giants hiring of Brian Daboll, who coordinated plays for Josh Allen in Buffalo, has fueled hopes of a post-hype breakout for Jones. New York has two of the top-seven picks in April’s draft, but with ownership and a new coaching staff backing Jones, the Giants are expected to build around the fourth-year quarterback.

SOURCE: Yahoo Sports

Feb 4, 2022, 6:27 PM ET

 
"We did (nine) general manager interviews and (six) head coach interviews, every single one was positive about Daniel,” Giants co-owner John Mara said last week. “They were excited about the potential. That’s the way we feel. We certainly haven’t given up.” 
Word out was always clear, the Giants didn't want to give up on Daniel Jones. If I was interviewing for that job, I also would have told them Daniel Jones has a lot of potential and I was excited to see what he could do with a new coaching staff. Got to tell management what they want to hear. 

 
Word out was always clear, the Giants didn't want to give up on Daniel Jones. If I was interviewing for that job, I also would have told them Daniel Jones has a lot of potential and I was excited to see what he could do with a new coaching staff. Got to tell management what they want to hear. 
Cynically, I thought the same. But reality is that Jones has shown quite a bit of improvement in the turnover department, and also with his ability to make plays with his legs. As I’ve mentioned several times about Jones, he throws a really nice deep ball and were it not for receivers quitting on routes, there were more than a few would-be touchdowns left on the table with the ball clanking down in the end zone 5 yards ahead of Slayton in particular.

I do believe Daniel Jones far better than what we have seen from Daniel Jones so far. But he’s going to need an offensive line that can protect him for more than q 2-count, and receivers who can stay with the football into the end zone on a deep shot.

peripherally, having Saquon Barkley back to full speed is also going to be a substantial help to the play action passing game. Heck, just dumping off passes to the running back, Daniel Jones numbers could be significantly improved - he showed that in his rookie season.

other than David car in Houston, I cannot think of a quarterback who has been set up to fail more than Daniel Jones.

 
Cynically, I thought the same. But reality is that Jones has shown quite a bit of improvement in the turnover department, and also with his ability to make plays with his legs. As I’ve mentioned several times about Jones, he throws a really nice deep ball and were it not for receivers quitting on routes, there were more than a few would-be touchdowns left on the table with the ball clanking down in the end zone 5 yards ahead of Slayton in particular.

I do believe Daniel Jones far better than what we have seen from Daniel Jones so far. But he’s going to need an offensive line that can protect him for more than q 2-count, and receivers who can stay with the football into the end zone on a deep shot.

peripherally, having Saquon Barkley back to full speed is also going to be a substantial help to the play action passing game. Heck, just dumping off passes to the running back, Daniel Jones numbers could be significantly improved - he showed that in his rookie season.

other than David car in Houston, I cannot think of a quarterback who has been set up to fail more than Daniel Jones.
That is all true. He’s been set up to fail and he did improve in a lot of areas this last season despite a depleted skill group. Also this draft isn’t exactly full with great QB options. 

 
That is all true. He’s been set up to fail and he did improve in a lot of areas this last season despite a depleted skill group. Also this draft isn’t exactly full with great QB options. 
The bolded is in part why he’s got a fairly long leash this year.

2023 is a different story. Fair or otherwise, this may be his make or break season. 

 
Daboll's tenure as a Coach will be based on this decision and the good news for the Giants is this should be one of his strengths as a Coach...Jones looks like he has some potential and like any young QB the hope is good coaching will get him to where he should be...that being said the Giants have two top 10 picks this year so they are in a great spot to either draft a QB or possibly trade for one...if they can get Jones squared away and use those picks to fill other holes they will be heading in the right direction but if they stick with Jones and he flames out there's a good chance the Giants will be looking for a new Coach in three years as they will have missed a golden opportunity to get another QB...Daboll cannot miss on this decision.

 
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Three years man.  
Yes, you have correctly identified the passage of time. well done.

you seem to have missed every other part of the point though.During that three-year span, Daniel Jones lost his starting running back, has never had a complement of quality wide receivers, his would-be star tight has not been able to stay on the field, has had a patchwork offensive line, and his coaching staff has been a carousel of mediocrity.

During the three years he has been in the league, he has had very little chance of success on that team.

sorry, I thought I had made that abundantly clear.

 
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Daboll's tenure as a Coach will be based on this decision and the good news for the Giants is this should be one of his strengths as a Coach...Jones looks like he has some potential and like any young QB the hope is good coaching will get him to where he should be...that being said the Giants have two top 10 picks this year so they are in a great spot to either draft a QB or possibly trade for one...if they can get Jones squared away and use those picks to fill other holes they will be heading in the right direction but if they stick with Jones and he flames out there's a good chance the Giants will be looking for a new Coach in three years as they will have missed a golden opportunity to get another QB...Daboll cannot miss on this decision.
I don’t see a QB-rich draft. 2023 is a different story.

Giants would be smart tI use those 1st rounders shoring up that OL.

And maybe every other pick, too. 

Jones can certainly be as good or better than any QB in the 2022 draft. Beyond that all bets are off. I believe it’s safe to assume this is his last shot (whether that’s fair or not). 

 
In start 1qb leagues IMO he is just a roster clogger, but I sold him cheap less than a week ago (4th rd rookie pick), but I was going to drop him.  I tried to get a 3rd but no takers.  I have several QBs already, none of them great (Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, and Deshaun Watson), but I hope Watson is back in 2022. To be honest, in start 1qb leagues these types of guys just prevent you from taking a flyer on a RB.  I don't see Jones ever being a viable starter for a fantasy team and if they truly cut back his rushing, that seals it for me.  Not that he was great even with the rushing.

Edited to add:  .....but I was the same idiot who dropped Herbert in the same league before he became a thing.  I suppose I don't have enough patience in QBs in a start 1QB league and is definitely a flaw of mine.

 
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I don’t see a QB-rich draft. 2023 is a different story.

Giants would be smart tI use those 1st rounders shoring up that OL.

And maybe every other pick, too. 

Jones can certainly be as good or better than any QB in the 2022 draft. Beyond that all bets are off. I believe it’s safe to assume this is his last shot (whether that’s fair or not). 
I wouldn’t be shocked if the Giants draft Kenny Pickett - since he’s a local kid (Ocean HS) and has a game pretty similar to Josh Allen. Pickett isn’t as dangerous with his legs (but is mobile) but is much more accurate than Allen was (as a prospect).

I just think as we get closer to the draft the QBs will start moving up the boards as usual - agree it’s not a great QB draft though.

 
In start 1qb leagues IMO he is just a roster clogger, but I sold him cheap less than a week ago (4th rd rookie pick), but I was going to drop him.  I tried to get a 3rd but no takers.  I have several QBs already, none of them great (Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, and Deshaun Watson), but I hope Watson is back in 2022. To be honest, in start 1qb leagues these types of guys just prevent you from taking a flyer on a RB.  I don't see Jones ever being a viable starter for a fantasy team and if they truly cut back his rushing, that seals it for me.  Not that he was great even with the rushing.
no, but it raised his floor. Agree about 1 QB leagues.

In Superflex I think he’s a hold, and could turn out to be something under Daniel. 

Edited to add:  .....but I was the same idiot who dropped Herbert in the same league before he became a thing.  I suppose I don't have enough patience in QBs in a start 1QB league and is definitely a flaw of mine.
Ouch. Still less painful in 1 QB leagues, but painful nonetheless. 

 
I don’t see a QB-rich draft. 2023 is a different story.

Giants would be smart tI use those 1st rounders shoring up that OL.

And maybe every other pick, too. 

Jones can certainly be as good or better than any QB in the 2022 draft. Beyond that all bets are off. I believe it’s safe to assume this is his last shot (whether that’s fair or not). 


I'm not really onboard with that...I don't think there are Lawrence type of QBs but I think there are some solid prospects and with having two picks in the top 10 the Giants are in a position to get one early or they could trade back, get more picks and use a #1 on a QB later (bottomline is they can get a QB this year while still filling other holes)...add a legit QB prospect to Jones and now you are in a position to figure this out...the NFL is a QB league and they can fill every other hole but if Jones busts it won't matter and they will be in big trouble both short and long term...if they are 100% sold on Jones then don't draft a QB but if they aren't they are in a great position to add another quality QB this year as opposed to being forced to draft one next year and quite possibly have to trade a ton of assets to do so. 

 
I'm not really onboard with that...I don't think there are Lawrence type of QBs but I think there are some solid prospects and with having two picks in the top 10 the Giants are in a position to get one early or they could trade back, get more picks and use a #1 on a QB later (bottomline is they can get a QB this year while still filling other holes)...add a legit QB prospect to Jones and now you are in a position to figure this out...the NFL is a QB league and they can fill every other hole but if Jones busts it won't matter and they will be in big trouble both short and long term...if they are 100% sold on Jones then don't draft a QB but if they aren't they are in a great position to add another quality QB this year as opposed to being forced to draft one next year and quite possibly have to trade a ton of assets to do so. 
Oh sure - I agree with this.

I was talking about spending one of the top picks on a QB.

I agree that trading back to diversity they could certainly take a QB. I don’t think it would necessarily be an upgrade to Jones. 

But they need depth at the position regardless so you’re probably right. I’m very interested to see what they Giants do this draft. 

 
I think the Giants are stupid if they take a QB in this draft. No one is worth their top 2 picks in those spots. Why not sure up the line and then if Jones can't bust out this year, take a QB in next year's much better class. Just seems like a wasted pick if they go QB this year IMO...

 
I think the Giants are stupid if they take a QB in this draft. No one is worth their top 2 picks in those spots. Why not sure up the line and then if Jones can't bust out this year, take a QB in next year's much better class. Just seems like a wasted pick if they go QB this year IMO...
That’s where I fall as well, but @Boston makes an excellent point about possibly trading one of those picks to move back, and thus have multiple pics with which one could be spent on one of the quarterbacks. 

i’m not certain how realistic that is, and I’m skeptical that one of those quarterbacks in your one especially will be as good or better than Daniel Jones. Certainly possible. 

I am oh, they would be better off spending those high pics call me offense of line which in my opinion is their biggest issue.

bringing in another young quarterback doesn’t seem like it would do much to help the Giants if they’re running for their lives or looking out of their earhole behind a terrible OL, as Daniel Jones has had to do. 

 
Yes, and I've got 4 other QBs already.
Yeah, in that format he's waiver fodder. Spot start for some team in desperate need.  Total roster clogger. I would sell him for anything I could get or drop him outright. 

I'm hoping he ascends to "start-able QB2 in superflex" at best, and at worst, "serviceable QB3 BYE week fill-in for SF".

 
Yeah, in that format he's waiver fodder. Spot start for some team in desperate need.  Total roster clogger. I would sell him for anything I could get or drop him outright. 

I'm hoping he ascends to "start-able QB2 in superflex" at best, and at worst, "serviceable QB3 BYE week fill-in for SF".
Had high hopes for him after his rookie year.  Had a really good team in 2020 that started out on fire.  Then Dak got hurt and my backups (Jones, Bridgwater, Minshew) all let my team down horribly.  Would have been in the playoffs with decent QB play.  So I went heavy on QB this year (traded for Hurts and drafted both Lawrence and Wilson).  Jones sucked again this year so I've given up.  Even when he looks good there's something clumsy/lucky looking about it.

But what do I know.  I held onto Tannehill then traded him away the year before he went to Tennessee and got good.

 
ESPN's Jordan Raanan reports "it seems likely" the Giants won't pick up the fifth-year option on QB Daniel Jones this offseason.

The Giants have until May to decide whether to exercise Jones’ fifth-year option, which would fully guarantee $21.3 million in 2023. Declining the option would put Jones in a contract year, while accepting it locks Jones in as the starter the next two seasons. The Giants can make Jones earn his contract and franchise him next offseason, a move that would cost millions in cap space and a year of team control if he proves them wrong. With Aaron Rodgers and Lamar Jackson extensions potentially resetting the market, the 2023 franchise tag for quarterbacks is projected over $30 million.

SOURCE: ESPN

Feb 27, 2022, 11:27 AM ET

 
Giants GM Joe Schoen said, "Daniel Jones is our starting quarterback right now."

At some point, it won't be "right now." Schoen has already talked about trading Saquon Barkley and the expectation is that the Giants won't pick up Jones's fifth-year option. Head coach Brian Daboll later added that he had talked to quarterback prospect from the upcoming draft. All of this points to Schoen wiping the slate clean after Jones and Barkley play out the final year of their contracts in 2022. The Giants could even start the rebuild a year early by taking a quarterback with one of their two first-round picks, an option that is clearly being considered. Either way, Jones will need to greatly exceed expectations to stick around in New York. If he does turn things around in the upcoming season, the Giants will then be looking at the franchise tag or an extension for him. 

SOURCE: Jordan Raanan on Twitter

Mar 1, 2022, 2:17 PM ET

 
Speaking Sunday, Giants CEO John Mara said "that's not a decision we've made yet," when asked about the fifth-year option for starting quarterback Daniel Jones.

"That's a discussion we'll be having over the next month or so," Mara added. The Giants have plenty of cap space to carry the option in 2023, as almost all their onerous contracts dissolve after this season. The Maras are among the most patient ownership groups in the sport and may want to give Jones some early buy-in as part of the move to Brian Daboll's offense. There's not a lot of rational reasons to pick up the option purely on the empirical ledger, but it probably wouldn't do much to handcuff the Giants if it were exercised. 

SOURCE: Dan Duggan on Twitter

Mar 27, 2022, 6:07 PM ET

 

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