massraider
Footballguy
Belichick claims him on waivers, guaranteeing the money, then trades him to New Orleans for a 2nd round pick, is that what is about to happen here?
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QB Derek Carr, Retired (1 Viewer)
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GreenNGold
Footballguy
Carr would still have his no trade clause, and would have to approve, so that clearly is not going to happen.
massraider
Footballguy
yeah, you probably right, I don't know what I was thinkin...
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I corrected that above from the NFL operations manual:
From the trading deadline through the end of the regular season, vested veterans are subject to the waiver process.
Boone22
Footballguy
I think he’ll end up there. I think he’s giving them time to get their cap fixed and he also didn’t want LV to get any compensation for him.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Because he wants a total new contract and teams to bid for him. Seems easy enough.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
Derek Carr’s Brother Lays Out Landing Criteria
The Buccs and the Jets fit this mold quite well. in fantasy terms, would love to see him go to one of these two teams, I think he will thrive at either. Not sure he'd be a top fantasy candidate at any of the other teams that have been mentioned as the front runners to land him, like Saints and the Panthers.
The Buccs and the Jets fit this mold quite well. in fantasy terms, would love to see him go to one of these two teams, I think he will thrive at either. Not sure he'd be a top fantasy candidate at any of the other teams that have been mentioned as the front runners to land him, like Saints and the Panthers.
Chaka
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
He had no incentive to accept that trade. Carr desperately wants to win, why saddle his new team with a loss of draft picks when he could simply play Chicken with a
owner, get released and sign, with whichever team he wants (and would have him) at that point?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Think I'd rather have Geno. The Bucs just signed their QB Coach/Passing game coordinator, Dave Canales, to be their OC.
Interesting question. Who gets the bigger contract? Carr or Geno?
Good question and I'd personally rather have Geno. My first thought was a to go with Carr since he has benefit of a month head start on FA whereas Geno can only negotiate with Seattle. BUT, since Carr is likely to sign first and we usually see the next wave of players want similar pay I'm going to with Geno.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Without looking I think most would say Carr, but Geno’s 2022 was better than any season Card has ever had.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Now compare the rest of their careers.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Right. But, is it Geno’s fault he never got another shot after failing with the Jets? Once he did he had an amazing season.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He got some starts with the Giants and Seattle before this season. My main point though is I'll trust Carr's consistency from year to year versus what could be one magical career year season - especially when Geno did tail off a little late in the season. If I was an NFL GM, I'd be very very leery of handing Geno a big contract.
joey
Footballguy
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massraider
Footballguy
Maybe it was Pete Carroll. Should have been coach of the year.
joey
Footballguy
Yeah. Amazing coaching job this year by Carroll. I think Seattle would be a great landing spot for Carr if he’d be happy with a run first offense. But to be in a division with SF and the Rams is a much worse prospect than joining a team in the NFC South.
massraider
Footballguy
Russell Wilson left Pete Carroll------becomes Geno Smith.
Geno Smith joins Pete Carroll-------becomes Russell Wilson.
Geno Smith joins Pete Carroll-------becomes Russell Wilson.
Chaka
Footballguy
@FBG Moderator can we get a thread title change?
joey
Footballguy
Just wait a few more days since it’ll have to change again
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I believe with a release he’s just a FA at this point.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Hey, nobody chimed in when I bumped the Geno thread!
Done
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Reported scheduled visit with the Jets
And here we go
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I can't really say I am well-versed on Carr's game. I haven't really seen him play much and have never owned him in fantasy (so had no real reason to pay much attention to him). His PFF scores across his career (2022 listed first): 66.6, 76.3, 84.7, 79.9, 73.2, 68.9, 85.3, 76.0, and 50.3. He had his least productive season since he was a rookie AFTER adding Davante Adams. I get it, the Raiders had a lot of injuries last year . . . but Carr seemed like he struggled. Moving on to a new team at 32, have we already seen the best he has to offer or will a changes of scenery / coaching bring out a new and improved Carr? (I suppose that depends where he ends up.)
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I've heard if he signs with the Jets he'll win a Super Bowl and be a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I thought it was IF he wins a SB with the Jets, THEN he’d be a HOFer.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I'll take a stab at this...
First three years, very steady and notable progression towards being a top-ten QB: 50, 76, 85. In the third year, 2016, he breaks out as a top-5 QB (that year 12-3 record and MVP candidate), but he breaks his leg pretty badly in game 15, and is really never quite the same player from then on, especially when it came to pressure and scrambling.
2017 his first year back from the leg break, while now seeing pocket ghosts IMO, he breaks bones in his lower back early in the season during a weird Monday night game in Washington, where it was rumored his then all-world OL quit on him b/c he supposedly wasn't supporting their intention to protest the national anthem. These rumors were never quite confirmed, and even formally denied, but the OL stunk that night and really the rest of the year. So did Carr, playing with the broken back bones throughout. That offseason, or perhaps the year after, I forget, that all-world OL was dismantled and subsequently cobbled back together year after year, never yet approaching the level they played at during the 2015/16 ascension years.
After the hugely disappointing 2017 year, the Raiders fired Jack Del Rio and hired Jon Gruden, who came in and promptly alienated Khalil Mack and others, and slowly dismantled the roster in what became a multi-year rebuild filled with multiple draft and FA misses across all portions of the roster. Despite that, Gruden did slowly but surely rebuild Carr - despite his ongoing pocket jitters - as can be seen by the PFF progressions: 73, 80, 85, 76. What happened that last year? Gruden gets fired for calling someone michllen lips and then Henry Ruggs - who despite all the name calling when drafted, was quickly ascending into a major and critical weapon - killed a woman in one of the dumbest and saddest drunken driving moments in NFL history. That season quickly went bust, but somehow Rich Basachia's quiet leadership brought them back from the brink with four wins to end the season and a trip to the postseason - where they lost to the eventual Superbowl Bengals at the goaline at the end of the game.
Along the above timeline, we saw lots of good and bad from Carr. He had/has an amazing arm - can rip every throw and is fairly accurate when his feet are right. He's also shown ice in his veins in crunch time, winning a ton of 4th qtr comeback games. But he also became known to be less than brave earlier in games - taking sacks at the first hint of pressure; throwing the ball away multiple times on 4th down, etc. And on that final play in Cincinnati, he looked rattled and threw it short of the end zone to end the game, leaving a sour final impression of what was an otherwise tremendous, resilient season from him and that team in the face of extreme external hardship and distraction.
Then last year happened. Josh McDaniels came in with yet another new system for Carr to learn. Carr never looked comfortable, often going from focusing too much on Devante Adams to ignoring him completely. Waller was hurt, as was Renfrow. But Jacobs broke out as 2022's best RB. The OL was **** to start the season, and though it steadily improved overall, pass protection remained suspect through the end and by the second half of season, Carr was seeing more pocket ghosts than ever. I am not sure if the blame here belongs more with Carr or McDaniels, but the marriage was broken by season end, obviously.
Carr is now 32. Still young enough to be solid physically, if his genetics and lifestyle permit, for several more seasons. That said, he needs to go to a good team IMO, not the one who offers him the most money. He needs a good/great OL, a solid rushing attack, and an offensively-talented coach who is willing to work with his strengths and hide his weaknesses. If I were his advisor (not his agent, but a trusted friend or family), my list in order of targeted destinations would be:
Niners, Dolphins, Seahawks, Jets, Lions, Giants, Patriots, Panthers, then maybe Titans, Falcons, Bucs, Packers - all others need not apply.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He obviously would win one. Jets are due.
Great post.
While most of those teams fit Carr's best conditions, I'm not sure Carr fits theirs. I think the Jets, Falcons and Bucs make sense, but I'm not sure he's an upgrade for anyone else, or at least if he is, its not to the extent where they wouldn't rather see what they have in their current young QB.
Considering this is a deep QB class, and Aaron Rodgers is likely leaving GB, I'm actually a little surprised if there is a big market for Carr. I think it would be in his best interest to be the first domino to fall.
[Garafolo] The #Saints are closing in on a deal with QB David Carr, sources tell me and @RapSheet. After nine seasons with the #Raiders, the four-time Pro Bowl selection is headed to New Orleans. The first QB domino is about to fall and one NFC South team has its starter.
[Rapoport] The #Saints remained the favorite for Derek Carr the entire process. It wasn't a trade, instead it'll be a free agent signing. New Orleans will lock in their starter.
[Rapoport] The #Saints remained the favorite for Derek Carr the entire process. It wasn't a trade, instead it'll be a free agent signing. New Orleans will lock in their starter.
