Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I wonder if Watson will now get a lot of preseason playing time just to get some mechanics back before sitting another 2 months.
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QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (2 Viewers)
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
I guess it depends on how far back we go back in the timeline. Last preseason, when NE had Cam but before they drafted Mac, the talk here was the Pats were interested in bringing back Jimmy, but IIRC the Niners demanded a first-round pick and something like a 3rd or 4th rounder. That or two 2nds. I forget the exact details. At least that was the rumor.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't know what to expect on that market over the next 2-3 weeks. The number of potential suitors won't be many, but all it takes is one. If I am Jimmy then there are some situations I may find more tempting than the Browns or at least close enough to let money drive decision making, but a place like Seattle? Pass. That's (arguably) the worst roster in the league before considering QB.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Local speculation is no. Paraphrasing - the Browns want Brissett to get reps with the 1's and the benefit to Watson playing with backups doesn't justify the risks.
Deamon
Footballguy
Thank you. Close enough.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m fairly certain Seattle is fine with being in play for the 1.01 next draft.
This is the Browns owner lol
[Jackson] Q: Jimmy, knowing what you know now, would you go back and do this again? Haslam: Absolutely.
[Withers] Haslam: “We think he deserves a second chance.” #Browns
[Justice] #Browns Andrew Berry said the expectation remains the same—go out and be a competitive team and win games.
[Jackson] Q: Jimmy, knowing what you know now, would you go back and do this again? Haslam: Absolutely.
[Withers] Haslam: “We think he deserves a second chance.” #Browns
[Justice] #Browns Andrew Berry said the expectation remains the same—go out and be a competitive team and win games.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
A starter could go down somewhere for the entire season in training camp, and most teams don't really want to roll with a typical backup QB all year. If SF can't trade him, they might as well wait until the last possible day in camp to cut him (unless they want to be nice, but a competitor could snag him for free).
massraider
Footballguy
Not that I disagree but:
Brown are trying to win a Super Bowl this year. If Jimmy can hold the fort until DeSensual Massage returns, what price tag would you put on that?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He also said “everyone deserves a second chance” - what do you mean, I thought Watson was innocent? 😀
MAC_32
Footballguy
Yep. The 9ers have zero incentive to cut him until the 11th hour.
MAC_32
Footballguy
A number a lot less than $25 million.
Well whatever it was he can throw now and no one is going to trade for him and take on that salary.
This is a lot better for his acclimation period then what I assumed, which was he just had to leave after August 30th and not come back until week 12 was over.
@AdamSchefter
Deshaun Watson’s 11-game suspension will begin Aug 30, on the NFL’s roster cutdown day. He may return to the team’s training facility and participate in limited activities on Oct 10. On Nov. 14, he can resume practicing, and Watson can play again Dec 4 against the Houston Texans.
@AdamSchefter
Deshaun Watson’s 11-game suspension will begin Aug 30, on the NFL’s roster cutdown day. He may return to the team’s training facility and participate in limited activities on Oct 10. On Nov. 14, he can resume practicing, and Watson can play again Dec 4 against the Houston Texans.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
CLE should be able to handle CAR, NYJ, and ATL. But I could see them all losing the other games with Jacoby at QB. I'd be surprised if they got 6 wins with Brissett. I'd guess 4. Given the quality of teams in the AFC, I'd be surprised if they were still in the WC hunt late in the season. Maybe I am not giving them enough credit, but Brissett has looked really mediocre in the games I've seen him play. The Browns could easily end up with a losing record with that schedule and Watson missing 11 games.
Deshaun Watson on why he’s apologizing then: “For everybody that was affected by this situation. There were a lot of people that were triggered.”
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not for nothing, but the best thing he could say is he's looking forward to playing and then keep his mouth shut until he is back in the lineup.
massraider
Footballguy
Jeebus.
Watson and Haslem are perfect for each other.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I'm sure Watson dug his heels in at 11 games so he could accrue a full season this year.
IMHO the NFL caved.
If he got suspended for one-more-game, he would forfeit a full year of his current contract, basically wiping out an entire year of his guaranteed contract.
Supposedly the NFL was saying they wanted to prevent Watson from playing Houston due to PR concerns which didn't fly. They wanted to punish him by preventing him from getting six games this year.
IMHO, the league should have suspended him for 12 games and made sure he didn't accrue a full season this year.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I thought the same thing. I would have loved a follow up question... "So are you saying Watson is guilty?"
GregR
Footballguy
Thanks, I was going to say, the first didn't sound right at all, as suspended players can't practice from when the suspension starts until it ends, as far as I know. It would have had to be a special term agreed to and hadn't seen any mention of such.
Watson comes back for game 13 @ the Texans. 2023 draft implications, since the Texans own the Brown's 1st and 3rd in the draft. I think both will cone into the game around 3-7 or 4-6, not in contention with SEA or CHI for the #1 pick. One team's selection will improve.
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Certainly possible, hard to say how good the surrounding cast is in Cleveland. I am of the opinion they are a pretty good defense and strong running game and Baker's injured shoulder killed them last year. While Jacoby is not a starter in the league, I am not sure he's significantly worse than injured Baker though.
I'd say they obviously won't be favored against the Chargers, Pats, Ravens, Bengals, Bills and Bucs with Jacoby at the helm. CAR, NYJ, & ATL as you said, and I'd say they would likely at least split against MIA & PIT (remains to be seen what happens with both these teams this year with major changes going on.) That would put them at 4 wins with upside to win 1 or 2 more against division foes. Jacoby did manage to beat a LJax led Ravens last year with a team arguably as bad or worse or as good as the Browns around him.
After that, I wouldn't be surprised if 3 ~4 out of the 6 remaining games are against teams already out of the playoffs, but if PIT doesn't stumble with the QB change and Miami finally takes a step forward it could be the opposite with the Texans the only 'easy' game left on the schedule when Watson gets back. As a Texan fan in misery, I'd like nothing better than to see Cleveland lose as many games as possible though!
I don't think it's binary, unless you consider him guilty of being a creep.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That I agree with. But someone might trade for him if the Niners eat part of the salary. Then it comes down to whether the Niners value the trade package in the millions. Like, if they get a 2nd, is that worth $5M? or $10M? Cutting him costs a couple mil, so I'm skeptical they'd want to pay too much unless the trade package is significant, which I can't imagine it would be with the Browns.
It'll be interesting to see how this goes down, and if the Browns are in play for him.
Deamon
Footballguy
He should for sure. Play him the whole game, why not
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
So he's sorry for.....everyone's reaction to his abhorrent, and possibly criminal behavior
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The only way I see SF getting a decent pick for him is if a true contender had "their guy" suffer a catastrophic injury by 8/31. Like Allen, Mahomes, or Brady going down for the season. Most teams probably don't have a real shot at winning anyway (or the cap space). The Niners would likely have to pay most of the contract anyway (as the acquiring team probably wouldn't be able to fit JG under the cap).
The signing of this settlement only means Watson is ending the legal process. This has nothing to do with an admission of guilt. Those close to him share with me today he regrets putting himself in the position. “This isn’t an admission or an apology to the women involved”
socrates
Footballguy
Thanks. That is an important distinction.
Watson's agent below. This whole process has always seemed like a sham.
@DavidMulugheta
To be clear, Judge Robinson repeated the NFL’s narrative. She received a brief from the NFL weeks before we had the opportunity to talk to her. In our 1st call with the Judge she referred to “Deshaun’s pattern of behavior”. Her mind was made up before we ever presented a counter.
@DavidMulugheta
To be clear, Judge Robinson repeated the NFL’s narrative. She received a brief from the NFL weeks before we had the opportunity to talk to her. In our 1st call with the Judge she referred to “Deshaun’s pattern of behavior”. Her mind was made up before we ever presented a counter.
daveR
Footballguy
Not exactly. Haslem went with the ambiguous crap, accepting guilt. Watson blew it out of the water and maintained his innocence! Unbelievable!!! Just who the **** is Watson's legal team, and why do they get paid??? If they couldn't school him in what to say, why even let him talk?
"There is no timeline for Watson to undergo the mandatory evaluation from behavioral experts, but a league source said it’ll be “relatively soon.” If Watson (or any player) doesn’t follow the treatment plan, there can be disciplinary action or a delay in reinstatement."
Let the speculation begin on how his eval and treatment goes!
daveR
Footballguy
Wow! Tweet deleted already.
Beef Ravioli Part 2
Footballguy
I had originally been in the 6-8 games suspension. As a Browns fan, I am good with the 11 games and the fine. Hoping this is behind us and we can move forward. Hoping Brissett can shock us all and keep us above .500. By the way Watson looked in the first preseason game, I doubt he is going to be very sharp his first game back.
LOL, was about to say the same. Deleted that quick
Wow indeed, he sure did. To late since NFLN was disussing it. Seems to have replaced it with this:
@DavidMulugheta
Deshaun has always stated he is innocent of sexual assault. Nothing has changed in what he said. He also said he is remorseful, the decisions he made have created this situation. The settlement allows him to move forward with his life and career.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Not reacting to the trolling sock puppet has been a good test for me in my message boarding quest for enlightenment.
Since we cannot change what has happened, we can only hope that DW (or anyone else inclined to deviant behavior) will at minimum decide that the costs of certain behaviors exceed their benefits.
Moving on...
For redraft, he's not draftable IMO. His greatest benefit is to someone that waits on QB and gets Cousins or whatever. And at that point maybe you're doing some streaming so you're clogging your roster. He's a wasted pick for anyone with a top 6 QB. He's best left on the waiver and play chicken or keep away, however you want to look at it.
Best ball, he's actually a fun late pick, especially if your QB1 has a late bye. No idea what a good pick range ought to be. Haven't done one of these in a while but if he's going late enough, those 5 games are pretty important.
Dynasty, I'd say he's a buy. He's been a top 5 guy for the most part. If you're not contending this year and can unload a productive QB to a contending team, I think it's a smart move to punt the year. Some folks won't want to deal with him, I get it but if you don't care and aren't winning anything this year...
Since we cannot change what has happened, we can only hope that DW (or anyone else inclined to deviant behavior) will at minimum decide that the costs of certain behaviors exceed their benefits.
Moving on...
For redraft, he's not draftable IMO. His greatest benefit is to someone that waits on QB and gets Cousins or whatever. And at that point maybe you're doing some streaming so you're clogging your roster. He's a wasted pick for anyone with a top 6 QB. He's best left on the waiver and play chicken or keep away, however you want to look at it.
Best ball, he's actually a fun late pick, especially if your QB1 has a late bye. No idea what a good pick range ought to be. Haven't done one of these in a while but if he's going late enough, those 5 games are pretty important.
Dynasty, I'd say he's a buy. He's been a top 5 guy for the most part. If you're not contending this year and can unload a productive QB to a contending team, I think it's a smart move to punt the year. Some folks won't want to deal with him, I get it but if you don't care and aren't winning anything this year...
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Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
with the one case against him still pending a civil trail....and if it wasn't one of the cases the NFL presented to Robinson....if that case is not "settled" and he is found/guilty /liable....can the NFL bring that back up as another/additional violation of the PCP....?....and basically ask for more games once the case comes to a conclusion....
Anarchy99
Footballguy
What the league released doesn't clearly specify this issue, but it does say that "this concludes the process." Who knows if the one outstanding case is covered by that or not.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
He's a vested veteran, additional accrued seasons don't mean much to him.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
This isn't correct. If he's on full pay status for even one game the contract progresses. He would lose what's called an accrued season, which is essentially a year of seniority, but there's nothing at stake for him since he's got enough of those already.
daveR
Footballguy
After hearing him once again claim innocence and waiting for a chance to prove it, I wonder if the last civil case remains in place by HIS choice.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The articles I have read on the settlement point out that by playing in 6 games, this season would qualify Watson for an accrued season. Not really sure if that matters or not at this point in his career. Maybe @Maurile Tremblay can add some perspective.
