QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (2 Viewers)

[Deamon]

Goodell actually did the entire FF community a favor and here is why...Until the week of December 4th you don't have to reveal how far off your moral compass is from pointing Straight North because it seems almost implausible somebody will take DeShaun Watson on Draft Day. Different leagues different rules but for example in a league where we have only 16 roster slots including a very small 7-man bench, most of those folks competing are only drafting 1 Quarterback to start the season.

He will still likely get taken in all superflex leagues I would think.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Goodell actually did the entire FF community a favor and here is why...Until the week of December 4th you don't have to reveal how far off your moral compass is from pointing Straight North because it seems almost implausible somebody will take DeShaun Watson on Draft Day. Different leagues different rules but for example in a league where we have only 16 roster slots including a very small 7-man bench, most of those folks competing are only drafting 1 Quarterback to start the season.

He will still likely get taken in all superflex leagues I would think.

Seems like a wasted roster spot. He won’t even suit up until Week 12 and I’d expect him to be quite rusty - combine that with the Browns mediocre WRs, I wouldn’t expect big numbers from Watson in 2022.

 

[Deamon]

Goodell actually did the entire FF community a favor and here is why...Until the week of December 4th you don't have to reveal how far off your moral compass is from pointing Straight North because it seems almost implausible somebody will take DeShaun Watson on Draft Day. Different leagues different rules but for example in a league where we have only 16 roster slots including a very small 7-man bench, most of those folks competing are only drafting 1 Quarterback to start the season.

He will still likely get taken in all superflex leagues I would think.

Seems like a wasted roster spot. He won’t even suit up until Week 12 and I’d expect him to be quite rusty - combine that with the Browns mediocre WRs, I wouldn’t expect big numbers from Watson in 2022.

Maybe, and I don't play SF so I would take your word for it.
However, he is QB33 in FBG rankings, which would almost guarantee him a spot in a SF league I would think.

 

[Marauder]

Goodell actually did the entire FF community a favor and here is why...Until the week of December 4th you don't have to reveal how far off your moral compass is from pointing Straight North because it seems almost implausible somebody will take DeShaun Watson on Draft Day. Different leagues different rules but for example in a league where we have only 16 roster slots including a very small 7-man bench, most of those folks competing are only drafting 1 Quarterback to start the season.

He will still likely get taken in all superflex leagues I would think.

Seems like a wasted roster spot. He won’t even suit up until Week 12 and I’d expect him to be quite rusty - combine that with the Browns mediocre WRs, I wouldn’t expect big numbers from Watson in 2022.

Isn't it week 13 when he'll be able to suit up? 11 games plus the bye week takes them through week 12, right?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Goodell actually did the entire FF community a favor and here is why...Until the week of December 4th you don't have to reveal how far off your moral compass is from pointing Straight North because it seems almost implausible somebody will take DeShaun Watson on Draft Day. Different leagues different rules but for example in a league where we have only 16 roster slots including a very small 7-man bench, most of those folks competing are only drafting 1 Quarterback to start the season.

He will still likely get taken in all superflex leagues I would think.

Seems like a wasted roster spot. He won’t even suit up until Week 12 and I’d expect him to be quite rusty - combine that with the Browns mediocre WRs, I wouldn’t expect big numbers from Watson in 2022.

Isn't it week 13 when he'll be able to suit up? 11 games plus the bye week takes them through week 12, right?

Yes, good point.

 

[menobrown]

Can he still practice while suspended?

It is my understanding that he can still practice through the preseason, but not once the suspension begins at the start of the regular season. He can resume team activities, including practicing, after half of the suspension is served, so after the sixth suspended game.

Ah ok. So still lots of practice time. All this talk about him returning and I wonder how good he will actually be? Been a long time since he's played football, and he got this insane contract, I think he will be good but not a top 5 qb again

I think never is a pretty crazy thing to say considering his age. Really I think the impact of his time away is seriously overblown. Will have likely big impact on most of all of the final 6 games of this season but after that will be like it never happened.

We got the Vick example and it's not even remotely like Watson. Not even trying to make a joke about it but Vick was confined to a 6 by 9. When the 2023 season starts Watson will have had two full training camps plus whatever he did in camp with Texans last year, access to proper diet, training and multiple workouts with NFL players in addition to some preseason games.

It's really not a lot different, maybe like 11 games different, then a host of QB's who had extremely early season ending injuries the prior season. Like Tom Brady who was 11 pass attempts away from missing a whole season.

 

[Chaka]

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Goodell actually did the entire FF community a favor and here is why...Until the week of December 4th you don't have to reveal how far off your moral compass is from pointing Straight North because it seems almost implausible somebody will take DeShaun Watson on Draft Day. Different leagues different rules but for example in a league where we have only 16 roster slots including a very small 7-man bench, most of those folks competing are only drafting 1 Quarterback to start the season.

He will still likely get taken in all superflex leagues I would think.

12 teamer SF leagues he will almost certainly be drafted. Owners will try to hold him but, if the injury, or draft bust bug hits he could be a roster casualty that likely would get picked up by another team.

QBs are extremely valuable in SF format, and potential difference maker QBs, which Watson definitely is, even more so.

 

[dhockster]

So I am very curious as to what happens with the last civil lawsuit. Since she has not signed any NDA up to this point, can she talk about things related to the case in the media? Obviously, Watson's camp would have made settlement offers to her, could she disclose those? Those offers would presumably give us an indication of the amounts he settled for with the other plaintiffs. If she is more interested in justice than money, or just wants to cause Watson as much trouble as she can, I think there are things she can disclose which would hurt Deshaun. Like I said, it will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So I am very curious as to what happens with the last civil lawsuit. Since she has not signed any NDA up to this point, can she talk about things related to the case in the media? Obviously, Watson's camp would have made settlement offers to her, could she disclose those? Those offers would presumably give us an indication of the amounts he settled for with the other plaintiffs. If she is more interested in justice than money, or just wants to cause Watson as much trouble as she can, I think there are things she can disclose which would hurt Deshaun. Like I said, it will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

I have no idea if it’s the same plaintiff that has yet to settle but one of the last women to file only asked for the minimum in her Complaint because supposedly she was more interested in bringing what Watson did to light.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Isn't it week 13 when he'll be able to suit up? 11 games plus the bye week takes them through week 12, right?

Yep - roster clogger for single QB leagues, holding for the hope of a magical 5 game run + playoffs, if ya make it.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

In "best ball" (no pun intended), he is now going between Jared Goff and Zach Wilson.

 

[TheWinz]

Meet Lauren Baxley, the only Deshaun Watson accuser who refuses to settle

23 of 24 of Deshaun Watson's accusers have reached a financial settlement with the Browns quarterback. The only one to not do so has stepped forward to explain her reasons. Watson

www.marca.com

 

[zed2283]

Meet Lauren Baxley, the only Deshaun Watson accuser who refuses to settle

23 of 24 of Deshaun Watson's accusers have reached a financial settlement with the Browns quarterback. The only one to not do so has stepped forward to explain her reasons. Watson

www.marca.com

She needs to explain her claims of "assault" and "violence" in her statement. Without anything more I'll have to assume judge Robinson's conclusion was correct.

 

[Chaka]

Meet Lauren Baxley, the only Deshaun Watson accuser who refuses to settle

23 of 24 of Deshaun Watson's accusers have reached a financial settlement with the Browns quarterback. The only one to not do so has stepped forward to explain her reasons. Watson

www.marca.com

She needs to explain her claims of "assault" and "violence" in her statement. Without anything more I'll have to assume judge Robinson's conclusion was correct.

She explains it very clearly.

Is it really difficult to understand the implied threat of violence between a woman and a large naked elite athlete alone in a hotel room or his home?

Maybe Mac & Dennis can help explain it.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Somehow I'm guessing the Christian Watson thread isn't really that similar to this one.

 

[zed2283]

She explains it very clearly.

Is it really difficult to understand the implied threat of violence between a woman and a large naked elite athlete alone in a hotel room or his home?

Maybe Mac & Dennis can help explain it.

Ok, there's more in that link than the one I was replying to.

Is the threat of violence implied or inferred?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

She explains it very clearly.

Is it really difficult to understand the implied threat of violence between a woman and a large naked elite athlete alone in a hotel room or his home?

Maybe Mac & Dennis can help explain it.

Ok, there's more in that link than the one I was replying to.

Is the threat of violence implied or inferred?

The implication would come Watson, the inference would come from Baxley.

Not sure what you're really asking?

 

[Chaka]

She explains it very clearly.

Is it really difficult to understand the implied threat of violence between a woman and a large naked elite athlete alone in a hotel room or his home?

Maybe Mac & Dennis can help explain it.

Is the threat of violence implied or inferred?

The threat is ###### up.

 

[eighsse2]

I don't believe he's innocent, I think it's far too unlikely that so many people would conspire to incriminate Watson. But the "inherent and unspoken threat" thing is bull. Or at least, it could be. She doesn't really explain that part, unless that's found in other pieces. Is the "inherent and unspoken threat" solely that he's a "big, stwong, scawy man ", or he was holding a blade toward her with a raised eyebrow and tilted head when she resisted, or somewhere in between? Big difference.

Honest question as I haven't read a whole lot about the victims' reports: have any of these people claimed that they told him to stop, or tried to leave?

 

[zed2283]

The implication would come Watson, the inference would come from Baxley.

Not sure what you're really asking?

Basically what eighsse2 says above.

 

[Chaka]

I don't believe he's innocent, I think it's far too unlikely that so many people would conspire to incriminate Watson. But the "inherent and unspoken threat" thing is bull. Or at least, it could be. She doesn't really explain that part, unless that's found in other pieces. Is the "inherent and unspoken threat" solely that he's a "big, stwong, scawy man ", or he was holding a blade toward her with a raised eyebrow and tilted head when she resisted, or somewhere in between? Big difference.

Honest question as I haven't read a whole lot about the victims' reports: have any of these people claimed that they told him to stop, or tried to leave?

This is one of the worst and most tone deaf takes in the history of message boards.

 

[efactor]

Josh Dobbs looks pretty good today. I know it's preseason but just saying.

Wonder how long a leash Brissett will have if he sucks once the season starts? Was pretty awful last year in his starts with Miami

 

[menobrown]

Is it really difficult to understand the implied threat of violence between a woman and a large naked elite athlete alone in a hotel room or his home?

Is it really ok with you that people who happen to have imposing physical statures are assumed to be guilty of rape or assault despite the fact they never had any intention or did any act that could be construed as forcing someone to do something?

 

[Chaka]

Is it really difficult to understand the implied threat of violence between a woman and a large naked elite athlete alone in a hotel room or his home?

Is it really ok with you that people who happen to have imposing physical statures are assumed to be guilty of rape or assault despite the fact they never had any intention or did any act that could be construed as forcing someone to do something?

No. Then again that's not what happened here. Not even close.

 

[menobrown]

Is it really difficult to understand the implied threat of violence between a woman and a large naked elite athlete alone in a hotel room or his home?

Is it really ok with you that people who happen to have imposing physical statures are assumed to be guilty of rape or assault despite the fact they never had any intention or did any act that could be construed as forcing someone to do something?

No. Then again that's not what happened here. Not even close.

So you say, same situation to me.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't believe he's innocent, I think it's far too unlikely that so many people would conspire to incriminate Watson. But the "inherent and unspoken threat" thing is bull. Or at least, it could be. She doesn't really explain that part, unless that's found in other pieces. Is the "inherent and unspoken threat" solely that he's a "big, stwong, scawy man ", or he was holding a blade toward her with a raised eyebrow and tilted head when she resisted, or somewhere in between? Big difference.

Honest question as I haven't read a whole lot about the victims' reports: have any of these people claimed that they told him to stop, or tried to leave?

This is one of the worst and most tone deaf takes in the history of message boards.

I don't think he was tone deaf if he asked the question whether anyone told him to stop or tried to leave. I don't know the particulars. Do you? I assume there has to be some that asked him to stop, but did he? Or did he force himself on them?

 

[Chaka]

Is it really difficult to understand the implied threat of violence between a woman and a large naked elite athlete alone in a hotel room or his home?

Is it really ok with you that people who happen to have imposing physical statures are assumed to be guilty of rape or assault despite the fact they never had any intention or did any act that could be construed as forcing someone to do something?

No. Then again that's not what happened here. Not even close.

So you say, same situation to me.

It wasn't rape, it was sexual assault. There was no assumption of guilt an arbitrator said he was guilty. And that only related to the 4 claims of the 25 potential that she heard.

 

[zed2283]

It wasn't rape, it was sexual assault. There was no assumption of guilt an arbitrator said he was guilty. And that only related to the 4 claims of the 25 potential that she heard.

Sexual assault as defined by the NFL, whatever that means.

 

[Chaka]

It wasn't rape, it was sexual assault. There was no assumption of guilt an arbitrator said he was guilty. And that only related to the 4 claims of the 25 potential that she heard.

Sexual assault as defined by the NFL, whatever that means.

"Non-violent" sexual assault as defined by a judge.

 

[menobrown]

Is it really difficult to understand the implied threat of violence between a woman and a large naked elite athlete alone in a hotel room or his home?

Is it really ok with you that people who happen to have imposing physical statures are assumed to be guilty of rape or assault despite the fact they never had any intention or did any act that could be construed as forcing someone to do something?

No. Then again that's not what happened here. Not even close.

So you say, same situation to me.

It wasn't rape, it was sexual assault. There was no assumption of guilt an arbitrator said he was guilty. And that only related to the 4 claims of the 25 potential that she heard.

An arbitrators decision has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

I think more then one person has asked you if you can pinpoint Watson making threats to them or not allowing anyone to leave. Your reply to one of these people is that it's not difficult to see the implied threat due to his physical stature. That's what I'm talking about.

It wasn't rape, it was sexual assault. There was no assumption of guilt an arbitrator said he was guilty. And that only related to the 4 claims of the 25 potential that she heard.

Sexual assault as defined by the NFL, whatever that means.

"Non-violent" sexual assault as defined by a judge.

A judge not overseeing a criminal case which requires beyond a reasonable doubt defined as 99% probability vs most reasonable defined as 51-49%.

 

[Chaka]

think more then one person has asked you if you can pinpoint Watson making threats to them or not allowing anyone to leave. Your reply to one of these people is that it's not difficult to see the implied threat due to his physical stature. That's what I'm talking about.

LOL! By your standard crimes are virtually impossible to prove.

Again, it's a comedy bit but watch it. If you cannot understand the calculus of saying no in that situation...

 

[zed2283]

Again, it's a comedy bit but watch it. If you cannot understand the calculus of saying no in that situation...

I'm sorry, but that seems like a ridiculous statement.

Do we have any details of what happened in those encounters?

 

[menobrown]

LOL! By your standard crimes are virtually impossible to prove.

But it's not my standards. It's the criminal standards for a country that leads the world in incarcerated people so guess it's not so hard to prove guilt under these standards.

 

[eighsse2]

Again, it's a comedy bit but watch it. If you cannot understand the calculus of saying no in that situation...

I watched it earlier. I still don't understand why someone can't say no if they are uncomfortable.

 

[Chaka]

Again, it's a comedy bit but watch it. If you cannot understand the calculus of saying no in that situation...

I'm sorry, but that seems like a ridiculous statement.

Do we have any details of what happened in those encounters?

In those 25 encounters? Yes.

 

[Chaka]

Again, it's a comedy bit but watch it. If you cannot understand the calculus of saying no in that situation...

I watched it earlier. I still don't understand why someone can't say no if they are uncomfortable.

Okay.

Empathy: Try it, you might enjoy it.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think we’re past the point of whether Watson is a creep (he is) or more or falsely accused. His punishment is decided so at this point it really doesn’t matter. This thread should actually become dormant soon because they’ll be nothing to discuss for weeks.

 

[eighsse2]

Okay.

Empathy: Try it, you might enjoy it.

All right, I can see how someone could feel intimidated in certain situations. But (1) I don't know if that happened here, and (2) I don't see how you can put that guilt on the alleged perpetrator. If a bum puts on a sob story in front of me to coerce me with social pressure to give him a $10 bill, is he guilty of theft of my cash? No, because I can just say no.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

It wasn't rape, it was sexual assault. There was no assumption of guilt an arbitrator said he was guilty. And that only related to the 4 claims of the 25 potential that she heard.

Sexual assault as defined by the NFL, whatever that means.

Judge Robinson provided the definition she used in her written opinion. The term isn't defined in the CBA or conduct policy, so she defined it as: "unwanted sexual contact with another person." State criminal statutes typically define sexual assault / rape under different degrees - 1st, 2nd, 3rd degree sexual assault, etc. with more specifically defined conduct for each, such as use of violence or threat of violence typically being required for the more serious counts.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I still think the Steelers should have a tiny terrible towel night when they play the Browns at home.

It would be an A+ schtick.

 

[eoMMan]

Took Watson with my last pick in a draft today. I think he’ll do well and finish strong.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Took Watson with my last pick in a draft today. I think he’ll do well and finish strong.

He'll be well rested.

 

[TheWinz]

finish strong.

Haha

 

[-OZ-]

Took Watson with my last pick in a draft today. I think he’ll do well and finish strong.

Yeah, that’s the rub. He’ll help you out in the end.

 

[menobrown]

Took Watson with my last pick in a draft today. I think he’ll do well and finish strong.

One thing I'd worry about is if they acquire Jimmy G and he's playing well Watson might be coming into a sticky situation.

 

[Faust]

Why did NFL settle with Deshaun Watson? Look at the team owners

 

[Faust]

Lone Deshaun Watson accuser to not settle lawsuit explains her decision

 

[facook]

Meet Lauren Baxley, the only Deshaun Watson accuser who refuses to settle

23 of 24 of Deshaun Watson's accusers have reached a financial settlement with the Browns quarterback. The only one to not do so has stepped forward to explain her reasons. Watson

www.marca.com

She needs to explain her claims of "assault" and "violence" in her statement. Without anything more I'll have to assume judge Robinson's conclusion was correct.

She explains it very clearly.

Is it really difficult to understand the implied threat of violence between a woman and a large naked elite athlete alone in a hotel room or his home?

Maybe Mac & Dennis can help explain it.

"Because of the implication..."

 

[Chaka]

Okay.

Empathy: Try it, you might enjoy it.

All right, I can see how someone could feel intimidated in certain situations. But (1) I don't know if that happened here, and (2) I don't see how you can put that guilt on the alleged perpetrator. If a bum puts on a sob story in front of me to coerce me with social pressure to give him a $10 bill, is he guilty of theft of my cash? No, because I can just say no.

Little bit of a difference between giving someone $10 because they make you feel guilty for your success and feeling obligated to give someone an old fashioned because you just want to get away from a rich, powerful, naked elite athlete, you're in a room alone with without suffering even worse.

Meet Lauren Baxley, the only Deshaun Watson accuser who refuses to settle

23 of 24 of Deshaun Watson's accusers have reached a financial settlement with the Browns quarterback. The only one to not do so has stepped forward to explain her reasons. Watson

www.marca.com

She needs to explain her claims of "assault" and "violence" in her statement. Without anything more I'll have to assume judge Robinson's conclusion was correct.

She explains it very clearly.

Is it really difficult to understand the implied threat of violence between a woman and a large naked elite athlete alone in a hotel room or his home?

Maybe Mac & Dennis can help explain it.

"Because of the implication..."

"Yeah, about that. Are you going to hurt these girls?"

 

[Buckna]

I think we’re past the point of whether Watson is a creep (he is) or more or falsely accused. His punishment is decided so at this point it really doesn’t matter. This thread should actually become dormant soon because they’ll be nothing to discuss for weeks.

Thank goodness too!