QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (1 Viewer)

[facook]

Okay.

Empathy: Try it, you might enjoy it.

All right, I can see how someone could feel intimidated in certain situations. But (1) I don't know if that happened here, and (2) I don't see how you can put that guilt on the alleged perpetrator. If a bum puts on a sob story in front of me to coerce me with social pressure to give him a $10 bill, is he guilty of theft of my cash? No, because I can just say no.

Little bit of a difference between giving someone $10 because they make you feel guilty for your success and feeling obligated to give someone an old fashioned because you just want to get away from a rich, powerful, naked elite athlete, you're in a room alone with without suffering even worse.

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She needs to explain her claims of "assault" and "violence" in her statement. Without anything more I'll have to assume judge Robinson's conclusion was correct.

She explains it very clearly.

Is it really difficult to understand the implied threat of violence between a woman and a large naked elite athlete alone in a hotel room or his home?

Maybe Mac & Dennis can help explain it.

"Because of the implication..."

"Yeah, about that. Are you going to hurt these girls?"

"It sounds like these girls don't even want to have sex with you."

 

[eighsse2]

Little bit of a difference between giving someone $10 because they make you feel guilty for your success and feeling obligated to give someone an old fashioned because you just want to get away from a rich, powerful, naked elite athlete, you're in a room alone with without suffering even worse.

This is true, fair point. But I wasn't trying to equate the two. I was saying that, across the board, when you're dealing with a crime of force, if the alleged victim volunteers to do the thing that he is accusing the alleged perpetrator of  forcing him to do, then a crime didn't take place. If the alleged victim felt threatened, that changes everything, but it should have to be reasonable to feel threatened. Being on a boat is not being threatened. Being near a big person is not being threatened. Many other things are threats, but those aren't. If you're on the boat and the person says "Where are you going to go? Look around you. It's just ocean," now there's definitely an implied, almost overt, threat. If you're next to the big person and he says "I'm a grown man, I'm an NFL quarterback, what are you going to do?" now we have an implied threat.

Maybe a better example is, I'm walking at night in a part of town I shouldn't be, and a rough looking man covered in tattoos steps out of an alley, comes right up to me, and says "Hey man, you got $10?" I don't want trouble, so I give him $10. Did he steal my money? No. I gave him $10.

ETA: I swear I'm really not trying to drag this on. I just like things to be clear.

 

[Chaka]

Little bit of a difference between giving someone $10 because they make you feel guilty for your success and feeling obligated to give someone an old fashioned because you just want to get away from a rich, powerful, naked elite athlete, you're in a room alone with without suffering even worse.

This is true, fair point. But I wasn't trying to equate the two. I was saying that, across the board, when you're dealing with a crime of force, if the alleged victim volunteers to do the thing that he is accusing the alleged perpetrator of  forcing him to do, then a crime didn't take place. If the alleged victim felt threatened, that changes everything, but it should have to be reasonable to feel threatened. Being on a boat is not being threatened. Being near a big person is not being threatened. Many other things are threats, but those aren't. If you're on the boat and the person says "Where are you going to go? Look around you. It's just ocean," now there's definitely an implied, almost overt, threat. If you're next to the big person and he says "I'm a grown man, I'm an NFL quarterback, what are you going to do?" now we have an implied threat.

Maybe a better example is, I'm walking at night in a part of town I shouldn't be, and a rough looking man covered in tattoos steps out of an alley, comes right up to me, and says "Hey man, you got $10?" I don't want trouble, so I give him $10. Did he steal my money? No. I gave him $10.

ETA: I swear I'm really not trying to drag this on. I just like things to be clear.

First off let me tell you how much I appreciate such a well reasoned response. In 2022 on message boards I typically default to assuming a troll is on the other end and, clearly you are not that. I respect that a lot, thank you.

But you're also clearly insane jk

You seem to be setting the bar at overtly stated threats of violence and that is a very limited framework.

Being isolated, smaller, weaker, less powerful etc. Are understood power dynamics that don't need to be stated. Have you never been intimidated by anyone, without them saying a word?

Do you think JJ Watt couldn't make you very afraid without saying a darn word? Unless you're TJ Watt or a Navy SEAL, I doubt it.

Deshaun didn't have to say a word. He was understood to be rich, influentially more powerful (my Twitter feed is bigger than yours), and physically more powerful.

When that guy gets an obvious erection and steers your hand towards his B-Hole you sincerely and traumatically, in hyper-fast time, with your brain on overdrive (if you've ever been truly against the wall, maybe when you almost crashed your car, you'd know what this feels like) have to make a potentially life altering decision. Do you say "No" and risk the wrath of this powerful individual and all the consequences that involves? Or do you suffer the lesser indignity in the hope that is all you will have to suffer?

In that moment she doesn't know about Tony Buzbee, 24 other accusers etc. She's alone with this guy and simply trying not to get violently raped.

I sincerely believe that violent rape was never in Deshaun's mind but there is no way that those women could know that in the moment. Deshaun probably didn't recognize the implied threat either, like Dennis clearly did in It's Always Sunny, but that's because he's an entitled idiot who has likely never faced a consequence in his entire life. That's not good enough for me and it shouldn't be good enough for any of us.

No, I'm playing the "Ignorance isn't an excuse" card here, and justifiably so.

I sincerely hope his forced, unwilling therapy eventually sinks in because I do also believe that people can change and earn second chances.

IMO Deshaun hasn't earned his second chance, yet.

 

[eighsse2]

Little bit of a difference between giving someone $10 because they make you feel guilty for your success and feeling obligated to give someone an old fashioned because you just want to get away from a rich, powerful, naked elite athlete, you're in a room alone with without suffering even worse.

This is true, fair point. But I wasn't trying to equate the two. I was saying that, across the board, when you're dealing with a crime of force, if the alleged victim volunteers to do the thing that he is accusing the alleged perpetrator of  forcing him to do, then a crime didn't take place. If the alleged victim felt threatened, that changes everything, but it should have to be reasonable to feel threatened. Being on a boat is not being threatened. Being near a big person is not being threatened. Many other things are threats, but those aren't. If you're on the boat and the person says "Where are you going to go? Look around you. It's just ocean," now there's definitely an implied, almost overt, threat. If you're next to the big person and he says "I'm a grown man, I'm an NFL quarterback, what are you going to do?" now we have an implied threat.

Maybe a better example is, I'm walking at night in a part of town I shouldn't be, and a rough looking man covered in tattoos steps out of an alley, comes right up to me, and says "Hey man, you got $10?" I don't want trouble, so I give him $10. Did he steal my money? No. I gave him $10.

ETA: I swear I'm really not trying to drag this on. I just like things to be clear.

First off let me tell you how much I appreciate such a well reasoned response. In 2022 on message boards I typically default to assuming a troll is on the other end and, clearly you are not that. I respect that a lot, thank you.

But you're also clearly insane jk

You seem to be setting the bar at overtly stated threats of violence and that is a very limited framework.

Being isolated, smaller, weaker, less powerful etc. Are understood power dynamics that don't need to be stated?l. Have you never been intimidated by anyone, without them saying a word?

Do you think JJ Watt couldn't make you very afraid without saying a darn word? Unless you're TJ Watt or a Navy SEAL, I doubt it.

Deshaun didn't have to say a word. He was already understood to be rich, influentially more powerful (my Twitter feed is bigger than yours), and physically more powerful.

When that guy gets an obvious erection and steers your hand towards his B-Hole you sincerely and traumatically, in hyper-fast time, with your brain on overdrive (if you've ever been truly against the wall, maybe when you almost crashed your car, you'd know what this feels like) have to make a potentially life altering decision. Do you say "No" and risk the potential wrath of this powerful individual and all the consequences that involves? Or do you suffer the lesser indignity in the hope that is all you will have to suffer?

In that moment she doesn't know about Tony Buzbee, 24 other accusers etc. She's alone with this guy and simply trying not to get violently raped.

I sincerely believe that violent rape was never in Deshaun's mind but there is no way that those women could know that in the moment. Deshaun probably didn't recognize the implied threat either, like Dennis clearly did, but that's because he's an entitled idiot who has likely never faced a consequence in his entire life. That's not good enough for me and it shouldn't be good enough for any of us.

No, I'm playing the "Ignorance isn't an excuse" card her, and justifiably so.

I sincerely hope his forced, unwilling therapy eventually sinks in because I do also believe that people can change and earn second chances.

IMO Deshaun hasn't earned his second chance, yet.

I can understand a lot of what you're saying, and I respect your opinion. But yes I am insane. Unfortunately for you "normies", we get a voice and a vote too. Lol.

 

[-OZ-]

Little bit of a difference between giving someone $10 because they make you feel guilty for your success and feeling obligated to give someone an old fashioned because you just want to get away from a rich, powerful, naked elite athlete, you're in a room alone with without suffering even worse.

This is true, fair point. But I wasn't trying to equate the two. I was saying that, across the board, when you're dealing with a crime of force, if the alleged victim volunteers to do the thing that he is accusing the alleged perpetrator of  forcing him to do, then a crime didn't take place. If the alleged victim felt threatened, that changes everything, but it should have to be reasonable to feel threatened. Being on a boat is not being threatened. Being near a big person is not being threatened. Many other things are threats, but those aren't. If you're on the boat and the person says "Where are you going to go? Look around you. It's just ocean," now there's definitely an implied, almost overt, threat. If you're next to the big person and he says "I'm a grown man, I'm an NFL quarterback, what are you going to do?" now we have an implied threat.

Maybe a better example is, I'm walking at night in a part of town I shouldn't be, and a rough looking man covered in tattoos steps out of an alley, comes right up to me, and says "Hey man, you got $10?" I don't want trouble, so I give him $10. Did he steal my money? No. I gave him $10.

ETA: I swear I'm really not trying to drag this on. I just like things to be clear.

First off let me tell you how much I appreciate such a well reasoned response. In 2022 on message boards I typically default to assuming a troll is on the other end and, clearly you are not that. I respect that a lot, thank you.

But you're also clearly insane jk

You seem to be setting the bar at overtly stated threats of violence and that is a very limited framework.

Being isolated, smaller, weaker, less powerful etc. Are understood power dynamics that don't need to be stated?l. Have you never been intimidated by anyone, without them saying a word?

Do you think JJ Watt couldn't make you very afraid without saying a darn word? Unless you're TJ Watt or a Navy SEAL, I doubt it.

Deshaun didn't have to say a word. He was already understood to be rich, influentially more powerful (my Twitter feed is bigger than yours), and physically more powerful.

When that guy gets an obvious erection and steers your hand towards his B-Hole you sincerely and traumatically, in hyper-fast time, with your brain on overdrive (if you've ever been truly against the wall, maybe when you almost crashed your car, you'd know what this feels like) have to make a potentially life altering decision. Do you say "No" and risk the potential wrath of this powerful individual and all the consequences that involves? Or do you suffer the lesser indignity in the hope that is all you will have to suffer?

In that moment she doesn't know about Tony Buzbee, 24 other accusers etc. She's alone with this guy and simply trying not to get violently raped.

I sincerely believe that violent rape was never in Deshaun's mind but there is no way that those women could know that in the moment. Deshaun probably didn't recognize the implied threat either, like Dennis clearly did, but that's because he's an entitled idiot who has likely never faced a consequence in his entire life. That's not good enough for me and it shouldn't be good enough for any of us.

No, I'm playing the "Ignorance isn't an excuse" card her, and justifiably so.

I sincerely hope his forced, unwilling therapy eventually sinks in because I do also believe that people can change and earn second chances.

IMO Deshaun hasn't earned his second chance, yet.

I can understand a lot of what you're saying, and I respect your opinion. But yes I am insane. Unfortunately for you "normies", we get a voice and a vote too. Lol.

Right. Apparently in a grand jury.
Usually the legal standard is a “reasonable person” but those are hard to find.

 

[GregR]

Honest question as I haven't read a whole lot about the victims' reports: have any of these people claimed that they told him to stop, or tried to leave?

Yes, many of them did. As you say you don't seem to know much about what went on if that's a question that needed asking. Might want to go read some of the lawsuits.

When she returned, Watson was naked, face down on her massage table “with only a wash cloth covering his butt,” the suit said.

Watson told her to focus on his lower abs, groin and quads, the suit said, and the woman started massaging Watson’s calves, working her way up.

When she reached his buttocks, “he repeatedly asked her to apply more pressure,” the suit said.

"Because of the strange behavior, (the woman) became uncomfortable, as her thumbs were rubbing immediately adjacent to Watson’s anus, as he continued to ask for her to go deeper,” the suit said.

At some point, she “refused to go any closer to his anus” and asked Watson to turn over.

The woman started again on his lower legs and working her way up.

When she arrived at Watson’s inner thighs, he asked her to apply more pressure, the suit said.

“With her applying more pressure the position of her hands would have her rubbing against his scrotum and penis," the suit said. She told him she didn’t feel comfortable doing this and was going to move higher and work on his lower abs.

“In response, he grabbed (her) butt and attempted to start flirting,” the suit said.

Watson’s penis was erect and exposed and he “moved his penis onto (her) hand in an attempt to get her to touch it,” suit said.

When she asked “incredulously” what he was thinking, Watson told her, “you can sit on it,” the suit said.

The woman told Watson that was unprofessional and was not how “she got down.”

She ended the massage and walked out for about five minutes so Watson could dress. When she returned, Watson was holding a non-disclosure agreement, “telling her that in order for him to pay her she had to sign,” the suit said.

The woman, without reading the document, signed.

Shortly after, Watson sent the woman $250 via CashApp, even though she only charged $65.

The woman confided in her business partner immediately afterward. She felt “violated and terrified,” the suit said.

A few weeks later, Watson reached out to the woman to say hello, by text, social media or a call.

The woman “was confused by this message (and) refused to work with Watson ever again,” the suit said.

Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson admitted during a pretrial deposition last week that one of his disputed encounters with a massage therapist ended with the woman crying, followed by an apology sent to her by text message from Watson, according to the woman’s attorney.

This verifies a portion of the women’s claims against him and raises the question of what caused to her cry during their encounter. In his deposition, Watson said he didn’t know, according to the attorney, Tony Buzbee. The woman is suing Watson for civil assault and claims in her lawsuit that Watson purposely touched her with his penis during the massage, causing her to feel scared and cry.

Watson left and sent her a text message apologizing afterward: “Sorry about you feeling uncomfortable,” he wrote, according to a screenshot of it previously posted by her lawyers. “Never were the intentions. Lmk if you want to work in the future. My apologies.”

 

[zed2283]

When she returned, Watson was naked, face down on her massage table “with only a wash cloth covering his butt,” the suit said.

Watson told her to focus on his lower abs, groin and quads, the suit said, and the woman started massaging Watson’s calves, working her way up.

When she reached his buttocks, “he repeatedly asked her to apply more pressure,” the suit said.

"Because of the strange behavior, (the woman) became uncomfortable, as her thumbs were rubbing immediately adjacent to Watson’s anus, as he continued to ask for her to go deeper,” the suit said.

At some point, she “refused to go any closer to his anus” and asked Watson to turn over.

The woman started again on his lower legs and working her way up.

When she arrived at Watson’s inner thighs, he asked her to apply more pressure, the suit said.

“With her applying more pressure the position of her hands would have her rubbing against his scrotum and penis," the suit said. She told him she didn’t feel comfortable doing this and was going to move higher and work on his lower abs.

“In response, he grabbed (her) butt and attempted to start flirting,” the suit said.

Watson’s penis was erect and exposed and he “moved his penis onto (her) hand in an attempt to get her to touch it,” suit said.

When she asked “incredulously” what he was thinking, Watson told her, “you can sit on it,” the suit said.

The woman told Watson that was unprofessional and was not how “she got down.”

She ended the massage and walked out for about five minutes so Watson could dress. When she returned, Watson was holding a non-disclosure agreement, “telling her that in order for him to pay her she had to sign,” the suit said.

The woman, without reading the document, signed.

Shortly after, Watson sent the woman $250 via CashApp, even though she only charged $65.

The woman confided in her business partner immediately afterward. She felt “violated and terrified,” the suit said.

A few weeks later, Watson reached out to the woman to say hello, by text, social media or a call.

The woman “was confused by this message (and) refused to work with Watson ever again,” the suit said.

Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson admitted during a pretrial deposition last week that one of his disputed encounters with a massage therapist ended with the woman crying, followed by an apology sent to her by text message from Watson, according to the woman’s attorney.

This verifies a portion of the women’s claims against him and raises the question of what caused to her cry during their encounter. In his deposition, Watson said he didn’t know, according to the attorney, Tony Buzbee. The woman is suing Watson for civil assault and claims in her lawsuit that Watson purposely touched her with his penis during the massage, causing her to feel scared and cry.

Watson left and sent her a text message apologizing afterward: “Sorry about you feeling uncomfortable,” he wrote, according to a screenshot of it previously posted by her lawyers. “Never were the intentions. Lmk if you want to work in the future. My apologies.”

Based on this I'm comfortable with the claim of assault (I would say touching someone with your junk qualifies). I'm also comfortable saying that there was no violence or implication of violence. This is only this one occurrence but I imagine most of them went similarly.

 

[Anarchy99]

Another lawsuit filed. LINK

 

[Insein]

Another lawsuit filed. LINK

I don't understand. If you force someone to have sex against their will, is that not rape? Why were criminal charges not filed? Why another lawsuit?

 

[DJackson10]

Another lawsuit filed. LINK

I don't understand. If you force someone to have sex against their will, is that not rape? Why were criminal charges not filed? Why another lawsuit?

I've been over this a lot with people rape isn't reported right away lot. We live in a sick culture where people blame the victim, it's embarrassing for the victim etc. If it wasn't reported back then I don't think they can now charge rape. Sexual assault yes probably not rape. I'm not a lawyer though so I could be wrong on the filing

 

[DJackson10]

Another lawsuit filed. LINK

Pay attention to this it could be more. The NFL would have to ask for a prolonged suspension if this were to happen. I doubt Watson sees an NFL field ever again at this point if the NFL gets their way and honestly he never should've to begin with.

 

[eighsse2]

Another lawsuit filed. LINK

I don't understand. If you force someone to have sex against their will, is that not rape? Why were criminal charges not filed? Why another lawsuit?

The only allegation I see in this article is: "The lawsuit alleges that Watson sought sexual activities during the massage, and that he pressured her to perform oral sex." Pretty sure that isn't called rape. To be clear, it sounds like the "act" did not even occur. He sought, he pressured. That's all, unless there's more to it than the article states.

 

[Insein]

Another lawsuit filed. LINK

I don't understand. If you force someone to have sex against their will, is that not rape? Why were criminal charges not filed? Why another lawsuit?

The only allegation I see in this article is: "The lawsuit alleges that Watson sought sexual activities during the massage, and that he pressured her to perform oral sex." Pretty sure that isn't called rape. To be clear, it sounds like the "act" did not even occur. He sought, he pressured. That's all, unless there's more to it than the article states.

From the article it made it sound like she did perform it.

 

[eighsse2]

Another lawsuit filed. LINK

I don't understand. If you force someone to have sex against their will, is that not rape? Why were criminal charges not filed? Why another lawsuit?

The only allegation I see in this article is: "The lawsuit alleges that Watson sought sexual activities during the massage, and that he pressured her to perform oral sex." Pretty sure that isn't called rape. To be clear, it sounds like the "act" did not even occur. He sought, he pressured. That's all, unless there's more to it than the article states.

From the article it made it sound like she did perform it.

I just re-read it and it still comes off the same way to me. He sought it, he pressured her to do it. But you absolutely could be right, but that is definitely not how I would write it if the sexual act actually occured.

 

[Obie Wan]

Another lawsuit filed. LINK

I don't understand. If you force someone to have sex against their will, is that not rape? Why were criminal charges not filed? Why another lawsuit?

The only allegation I see in this article is: "The lawsuit alleges that Watson sought sexual activities during the massage, and that he pressured her to perform oral sex." Pretty sure that isn't called rape. To be clear, it sounds like the "act" did not even occur. He sought, he pressured. That's all, unless there's more to it than the article states.

From the article it made it sound like she did perform it.

off with his head, then

the twitter mob has decreed

no need to question the curious timing of the filing, filed just as he's back in the building.
she and her lawyer must have missed the previous circus train.

probably the reason it got filed, is that Watson refused to submit to the extortion demand.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Some people never seem to learn from their past mistakes.

 

[ghostguy123]

Some people never seem to learn from their past mistakes.

?

 

[ghostguy123]

Bad look, but ultimately a big nothingburger.
What, will the NFL put up with 25 of these but once it hits that 26th, lifetime ban!!!!

 

[zeeshan2]

Settlement for this suspension included no discipline for anything that pops up from 2019-2021

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1560714157435109379

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Some people never seem to learn from their past mistakes.

?

some people made fools of themselves all summer, then disappeared when their takes proved to be way incorrect and now show back up to double down months later on their bad takes.

 

[Anarchy99]

Settlement for this suspension included no discipline for anything that pops up from 2019-2021

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1560714157435109379

Pelissero also tweeted: "The NFL could still investigate if allegations arise that are different in nature (e.g. use of force, which was not alleged in the cases Robinson ruled on). Failure to comply with terms of the agreement would be considered a new violation, subject to additional discipline."

I have no idea what the woman in the latest case is alleging, if the police are investigating, etc. But if old cases pop up and charges are filed (or new cases for that matter), Watson won't get a free pass from the league.

 

[ghostguy123]

Some people never seem to learn from their past mistakes.

?

some people made fools of themselves all summer, then disappeared when their takes proved to be way incorrect and now show back up to double down months later on their bad takes.

Oh I thought you meant Watson, lol

 

[ghostguy123]

Settlement for this suspension included no discipline for anything that pops up from 2019-2021

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1560714157435109379

Pelissero also tweeted: "The NFL could still investigate if allegations arise that are different in nature (e.g. use of force, which was not alleged in the cases Robinson ruled on). Failure to comply with terms of the agreement would be considered a new violation, subject to additional discipline."

I have no idea what the woman in the latest case is alleging, if the police are investigating, etc. But if old cases pop up and charges are filed (or new cases for that matter), Watson won't get a free pass from the league.

So a new case pops up after the NFL states what could lead to new punishments, and this new case just happens to include the very thing that could lead to more punishment.
Not saying, just saying.

 

[DJackson10]

Settlement for this suspension included no discipline for anything that pops up from 2019-2021

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1560714157435109379

Pelissero also tweeted: "The NFL could still investigate if allegations arise that are different in nature (e.g. use of force, which was not alleged in the cases Robinson ruled on). Failure to comply with terms of the agreement would be considered a new violation, subject to additional discipline."

I have no idea what the woman in the latest case is alleging, if the police are investigating, etc. But if old cases pop up and charges are filed (or new cases for that matter), Watson won't get a free pass from the league.

So a new case pops up after the NFL states what could lead to new punishments, and this new case just happens to include the very thing that could lead to more punishment.
Not saying, just saying.

Yet you are. And people wonder why these things aren't reported right away. Exhibit A right here. I really hope you never have a friends daughter, a daughter a neice, a grand daughter etc involved in one of these things ever. You gonna question their timing too?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Settlement for this suspension included no discipline for anything that pops up from 2019-2021

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1560714157435109379

Well that just about settles that, anything that comes out of a sexual nature in his past from 2019-2021 is completely forgiven.
That's what the NFL says, that's not what MoP says

 

[eighsse2]

Bad look, but ultimately a big nothingburger.
What, will the NFL put up with 25 of these but once it hits that 26th, lifetime ban!!!!

This just in: the NFL has decided to tack on 9:43 of game clock to Watson's suspension. He can return at the 5:17 mark in the 1st quarter of week 12.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I assume the Commish can simply add him to the Commish List if things go down hill between now and Week 12/13? Whenever Watson is set to make his debut.

-It's not all on Watson since the Texans are responsible for at least some of the deteriorated relationship with the way Coach BoB ran the team into the ground over a very short period of time and Watson decided he wanted to pull out, the same way some of his lady masseuses wanted to pull out of the rooms they were in with him, of all people he should understand what it's like to feel duped on a deal.

-But Watson caused Godell a **** ton of grief and i do not think the NFL has much mercy for Watson right now, again some of it is the circumstances surrounding him like a $230M fully guaranteed deal that even choir boys do not receive in the NFL let alone someone who turned the NFL news cycle inside out with 24 hour round the clock coverage, NOT what Goodell and the NFL want to say on the TV.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Settlement for this suspension included no discipline for anything that pops up from 2019-2021

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1560714157435109379

Pelissero also tweeted: "The NFL could still investigate if allegations arise that are different in nature (e.g. use of force, which was not alleged in the cases Robinson ruled on). Failure to comply with terms of the agreement would be considered a new violation, subject to additional discipline."

I have no idea what the woman in the latest case is alleging, if the police are investigating, etc. But if old cases pop up and charges are filed (or new cases for that matter), Watson won't get a free pass from the league.

So a new case pops up after the NFL states what could lead to new punishments, and this new case just happens to include the very thing that could lead to more punishment.
Not saying, just saying.

Are you suggesting this case is “fake” because they want Watson’s suspension to be extended?
Why would they possibly care about that?

 

[DJackson10]

Settlement for this suspension included no discipline for anything that pops up from 2019-2021

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1560714157435109379

Pelissero also tweeted: "The NFL could still investigate if allegations arise that are different in nature (e.g. use of force, which was not alleged in the cases Robinson ruled on). Failure to comply with terms of the agreement would be considered a new violation, subject to additional discipline."

I have no idea what the woman in the latest case is alleging, if the police are investigating, etc. But if old cases pop up and charges are filed (or new cases for that matter), Watson won't get a free pass from the league.

So a new case pops up after the NFL states what could lead to new punishments, and this new case just happens to include the very thing that could lead to more punishment.
Not saying, just saying.

Are you suggesting this case is “fake” because they want Watson’s suspension to be extended?
Why would they possibly care about that?

Nah he's basically just saying the person is lying and Watson is a victim here. Just like anyone else who defends this stuff.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Remember when Stephen Ross was going to make the big phone call to Watson the night before the trade deadline to try and urge him to pay the lawsuits and get them dismissed.
-That was a major news cycle that dominated headlines and it was all you heard about in the middle of the season last year(Watson Trade Deadline) with lots of media pundits salivating, wanting to discuss the sexual deviances of Watson for the whole world to weigh in on in the middle of Me Too and Cancel Everybody, the NFL was really put over a barrel on this and that part is solely on Watson, he screwed it up big time when he could have just taken a flight to Vegas and gotten numerous ladies to take him all the way on his massage endeavors.

Forget agents, when are people going to start charging for full time round the clock handlers to ensure they never get drunk behind the wheel, go out blazing a trail at the strip clubs and just doing things young testosterone fueled men do with access to a lot of money that most young folks never get to touch in their lifetimes. And we wonder how these things unfold?

Watson has been under Goodell's skin since the start of last season, even before that the leaks were all coming out, this has been a PR nightmare for him and all 32 owners.

 

[Faust]

An NFL spokesperson said the league is monitoring the latest sexual assault allegation against Deshaun Watson.​

“Watson’s status remains unchanged,” NFL Chief Spokesman Brian McCarthy told ProFootballTalk after a 26th sexual assault allegation was brought against Watson this week. “We will monitor developments in the newly-filed litigation; and any conduct that warrants further investigation or possible additional sanctions would be addressed within the Personal Conduct Policy.” Watson is about midway through his 11-game suspension stemming from dozens of sexual assault allegations lodged against him over the past 18 months. Watson would be eligible to return in Week 13 against Houston if nothing changes with his standing among league officials.
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SOURCE: ProFootballTalk.com
Oct 14, 2022, 12:45 PM ET

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I wonder if Jimmy Haslam is starting to understand more about what his actions with this guaranteed money are starting to have on the organization. I wonder if he understands the grim reality that Goodell is going to do everything he can to keep Watson off the field for as long as possible until he is satisfied he's gotten his point across and sends a warning to others about this kind of behavior. But mostly it's to protect the shield and the big pile of money in the middle, think we all know that by now.

 

[ghostguy123]

Settlement for this suspension included no discipline for anything that pops up from 2019-2021

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1560714157435109379

Pelissero also tweeted: "The NFL could still investigate if allegations arise that are different in nature (e.g. use of force, which was not alleged in the cases Robinson ruled on). Failure to comply with terms of the agreement would be considered a new violation, subject to additional discipline."

I have no idea what the woman in the latest case is alleging, if the police are investigating, etc. But if old cases pop up and charges are filed (or new cases for that matter), Watson won't get a free pass from the league.

So a new case pops up after the NFL states what could lead to new punishments, and this new case just happens to include the very thing that could lead to more punishment.
Not saying, just saying.

Yet you are. And people wonder why these things aren't reported right away. Exhibit A right here. I really hope you never have a friends daughter, a daughter a neice, a grand daughter etc involved in one of these things ever. You gonna question their timing too?

Not questioning the timing, not really questioning anything really, just an observation that a new allegation with the exact thing that could lead to more suspension.

 

[ghostguy123]

Settlement for this suspension included no discipline for anything that pops up from 2019-2021

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1560714157435109379

Pelissero also tweeted: "The NFL could still investigate if allegations arise that are different in nature (e.g. use of force, which was not alleged in the cases Robinson ruled on). Failure to comply with terms of the agreement would be considered a new violation, subject to additional discipline."

I have no idea what the woman in the latest case is alleging, if the police are investigating, etc. But if old cases pop up and charges are filed (or new cases for that matter), Watson won't get a free pass from the league.

So a new case pops up after the NFL states what could lead to new punishments, and this new case just happens to include the very thing that could lead to more punishment.
Not saying, just saying.

Are you suggesting this case is “fake” because they want Watson’s suspension to be extended?
Why would they possibly care about that?

Fake case???? No I never said or implied anything like that.

 

[ghostguy123]

Settlement for this suspension included no discipline for anything that pops up from 2019-2021

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1560714157435109379

Pelissero also tweeted: "The NFL could still investigate if allegations arise that are different in nature (e.g. use of force, which was not alleged in the cases Robinson ruled on). Failure to comply with terms of the agreement would be considered a new violation, subject to additional discipline."

I have no idea what the woman in the latest case is alleging, if the police are investigating, etc. But if old cases pop up and charges are filed (or new cases for that matter), Watson won't get a free pass from the league.

So a new case pops up after the NFL states what could lead to new punishments, and this new case just happens to include the very thing that could lead to more punishment.
Not saying, just saying.

Are you suggesting this case is “fake” because they want Watson’s suspension to be extended?
Why would they possibly care about that?

Nah he's basically just saying the person is lying and Watson is a victim here. Just like anyone else who defends this stuff.

Ummmm, no

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Settlement for this suspension included no discipline for anything that pops up from 2019-2021

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1560714157435109379

Pelissero also tweeted: "The NFL could still investigate if allegations arise that are different in nature (e.g. use of force, which was not alleged in the cases Robinson ruled on). Failure to comply with terms of the agreement would be considered a new violation, subject to additional discipline."

I have no idea what the woman in the latest case is alleging, if the police are investigating, etc. But if old cases pop up and charges are filed (or new cases for that matter), Watson won't get a free pass from the league.

So a new case pops up after the NFL states what could lead to new punishments, and this new case just happens to include the very thing that could lead to more punishment.
Not saying, just saying.

Are you suggesting this case is “fake” because they want Watson’s suspension to be extended?
Why would they possibly care about that?

Fake case???? No I never said or implied anything like that.

Ok, sorry. I definitely shouldn’t have said “fake” but you were implying something fishy. I should have said that.

Why would any third party be interested in the timing of the league suspension?. What connection are you making to the timing of this complaint?

 

[zeeshan2]

I assume the Commish can simply add him to the Commish List if things go down hill between now and Week 12/13? Whenever Watson is set to make his debut.

-It's not all on Watson since the Texans are responsible for at least some of the deteriorated relationship with the way Coach BoB ran the team into the ground over a very short period of time and Watson decided he wanted to pull out, the same way some of his lady masseuses wanted to pull out of the rooms they were in with him, of all people he should understand what it's like to feel duped on a deal.

He signed a long term extension with the Texans fully aware of the ownership and BOB and then decided to dip out the next year because of ownership and what not. Then all the allegations came out. His character from Clemson was probably fake and I wouldn't be surprised if he did that stuff at Clemson too

 

[ProstheticRGK]

So sick of hearing about Watson and his alleged pervy behavior. The shield has a huge stain on it- one that a small towel won’t wipe off. Maybe Goodell should’ve seen this coming and gotten out of the way faster. What was he, making decisions in a broom closet?

 

[Galileo]

Oof, still more to come? This is quite a trail Deshaun left in his wake.

 

[DJackson10]

Oof, still more to come? This is quite a trail Deshaun left in his wake.

Yeah he's not playing another down of Football again. If he does its a huge black eye to the NFL

 

[smbkrypt24]

I'm confused. I don't mean to sound not sensitive but how do you pressure someone into oral sex? Did he talk her into it? Did he threaten her into giving him oral sex? Did he threaten her to hurt her business if she did not comply? And she gave him oral sex under duress? I think if I was Watson it's time to go ahead and let it go to court even if it's civil court. I'll say it now and if I'm wrong then that means some hard evidence came out of this case but I don't see how without more evidence besides an accusation this changes anything in the eyes of the NFL. And if this happened at the Houstonian hotel I guess the NFL already knew of this case and I would be interested in knowing if this was one of the cases the Texans settled.

There are many ways this could happen. When someone comes in with the power/fame of Watson it changes the roles of when something like this is pressured of someone. I could go over many scenarios, but if someone is asking I really don't think someone has applied the same effort to think about the other side.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

I'm confused. I don't mean to sound not sensitive but how do you pressure someone into oral sex? Did he talk her into it? Did he threaten her into giving him oral sex? Did he threaten her to hurt her business if she did not comply? And she gave him oral sex under duress? I think if I was Watson it's time to go ahead and let it go to court even if it's civil court. I'll say it now and if I'm wrong then that means some hard evidence came out of this case but I don't see how without more evidence besides an accusation this changes anything in the eyes of the NFL. And if this happened at the Houstonian hotel I guess the NFL already knew of this case and I would be interested in knowing if this was one of the cases the Texans settled.

There are many ways this could happen. When someone comes in with the power/fame of Watson it changes the roles of when something like this is pressured of someone. I could go over many scenarios, but if someone is asking I really don't think someone has applied the same effort to think about the other side.

I'm confused. I don't mean to sound not sensitive but how do you pressure someone into oral sex? Did he talk her into it? Did he threaten her into giving him oral sex? Did he threaten her to hurt her business if she did not comply? And she gave him oral sex under duress? I think if I was Watson it's time to go ahead and let it go to court even if it's civil court. I'll say it now and if I'm wrong then that means some hard evidence came out of this case but I don't see how without more evidence besides an accusation this changes anything in the eyes of the NFL. And if this happened at the Houstonian hotel I guess the NFL already knew of this case and I would be interested in knowing if this was one of the cases the Texans settled.

There are many ways this could happen. When someone comes in with the power/fame of Watson it changes the roles of when something like this is pressured of someone. I could go over many scenarios, but if someone is asking I really don't think someone has applied the same effort to think about the other side.

I did think of the other side but it's a legitimate question and it's okay to question the merit of the case which will be done by the attorneys as well. He had already asked her for sex and she declined. The massage continued and then he pressured her into oral sex. How did he do that? I just want to know the facts of the case before I decide my view on the accusation. Did the NFL know? Is this one of the cases the Texans settled? I don't and won't rush judgment on either side. I'm not saying he did not do something wrong and I'm not saying he did base on an accusation. At this point, I hope to have these two cases go to court so it does get played out and we see the actual evidence in the cases. It seems to be a status of political correctness to assume the guilt of Watson in the eyes of public opinion when no evidence but an accusation has been presented.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Regardless of who you believe or what he did, it's obvious this guy's moral compass is broken. Very good chance this goes down as the worst trade/contract in NFL history.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Regardless of who you believe or what he did, it's obvious this guy's moral compass is broken. Very good chance this goes down as the worst trade/contract in NFL history.

I think the contract was always broken. Giving guaranteed money to a player facing the situation he is facing was beyond dumb. I think the Browns got duped into looking 5 to 10 years down the road and forgetting the present. I'm not a fan of guaranteed money for any contract if I'm an owner of an NFL team.

 

[smbkrypt24]

I'm confused. I don't mean to sound not sensitive but how do you pressure someone into oral sex? Did he talk her into it? Did he threaten her into giving him oral sex? Did he threaten her to hurt her business if she did not comply? And she gave him oral sex under duress? I think if I was Watson it's time to go ahead and let it go to court even if it's civil court. I'll say it now and if I'm wrong then that means some hard evidence came out of this case but I don't see how without more evidence besides an accusation this changes anything in the eyes of the NFL. And if this happened at the Houstonian hotel I guess the NFL already knew of this case and I would be interested in knowing if this was one of the cases the Texans settled.

There are many ways this could happen. When someone comes in with the power/fame of Watson it changes the roles of when something like this is pressured of someone. I could go over many scenarios, but if someone is asking I really don't think someone has applied the same effort to think about the other side.

I'm confused. I don't mean to sound not sensitive but how do you pressure someone into oral sex? Did he talk her into it? Did he threaten her into giving him oral sex? Did he threaten her to hurt her business if she did not comply? And she gave him oral sex under duress? I think if I was Watson it's time to go ahead and let it go to court even if it's civil court. I'll say it now and if I'm wrong then that means some hard evidence came out of this case but I don't see how without more evidence besides an accusation this changes anything in the eyes of the NFL. And if this happened at the Houstonian hotel I guess the NFL already knew of this case and I would be interested in knowing if this was one of the cases the Texans settled.

There are many ways this could happen. When someone comes in with the power/fame of Watson it changes the roles of when something like this is pressured of someone. I could go over many scenarios, but if someone is asking I really don't think someone has applied the same effort to think about the other side.

I did think of the other side but it's a legitimate question and it's okay to question the merit of the case which will be done by the attorneys as well. He had already asked her for sex and she declined. The massage continued and then he pressured her into oral sex. How did he do that? I just want to know the facts of the case before I decide my view on the accusation. Did the NFL know? Is this one of the cases the Texans settled? I don't and won't rush judgment on either side. I'm not saying he did not do something wrong and I'm not saying he did base on an accusation. At this point, I hope to have these two cases go to court so it does get played out and we see the actual evidence in the cases. It seems to be a status of political correctness to assume the guilt of Watson in the eyes of public opinion when no evidence but an accusation has been presented.

Right, an accusation comes out and you are questioning the legitimacy of it asking for facts. That is really hard to do unless you are directly involved.

 

[ghostguy123]

Regardless of who you believe or what he did, it's obvious this guy's moral compass is broken. Very good chance this goes down as the worst trade/contract in NFL history.

It sure could. On the other end of the spectrum, if he wins one super bowl then it's the best trade ever even if his antics lead the team to get kicked out of the league forever.
The rare trade that can swing so far in either direction

 

[osubuckeyeman]

I'm confused. I don't mean to sound not sensitive but how do you pressure someone into oral sex? Did he talk her into it? Did he threaten her into giving him oral sex? Did he threaten her to hurt her business if she did not comply? And she gave him oral sex under duress? I think if I was Watson it's time to go ahead and let it go to court even if it's civil court. I'll say it now and if I'm wrong then that means some hard evidence came out of this case but I don't see how without more evidence besides an accusation this changes anything in the eyes of the NFL. And if this happened at the Houstonian hotel I guess the NFL already knew of this case and I would be interested in knowing if this was one of the cases the Texans settled.

There are many ways this could happen. When someone comes in with the power/fame of Watson it changes the roles of when something like this is pressured of someone. I could go over many scenarios, but if someone is asking I really don't think someone has applied the same effort to think about the other side.

I'm confused. I don't mean to sound not sensitive but how do you pressure someone into oral sex? Did he talk her into it? Did he threaten her into giving him oral sex? Did he threaten her to hurt her business if she did not comply? And she gave him oral sex under duress? I think if I was Watson it's time to go ahead and let it go to court even if it's civil court. I'll say it now and if I'm wrong then that means some hard evidence came out of this case but I don't see how without more evidence besides an accusation this changes anything in the eyes of the NFL. And if this happened at the Houstonian hotel I guess the NFL already knew of this case and I would be interested in knowing if this was one of the cases the Texans settled.

There are many ways this could happen. When someone comes in with the power/fame of Watson it changes the roles of when something like this is pressured of someone. I could go over many scenarios, but if someone is asking I really don't think someone has applied the same effort to think about the other side.

I did think of the other side but it's a legitimate question and it's okay to question the merit of the case which will be done by the attorneys as well. He had already asked her for sex and she declined. The massage continued and then he pressured her into oral sex. How did he do that? I just want to know the facts of the case before I decide my view on the accusation. Did the NFL know? Is this one of the cases the Texans settled? I don't and won't rush judgment on either side. I'm not saying he did not do something wrong and I'm not saying he did base on an accusation. At this point, I hope to have these two cases go to court so it does get played out and we see the actual evidence in the cases. It seems to be a status of political correctness to assume the guilt of Watson in the eyes of public opinion when no evidence but an accusation has been presented.

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Men of Steel	Till the next weeks waivers. Back in the day it was "fcfs" after the drop for a long time and then "fcfs" after 24 hours. And then went to all dropped not ava till next waiver.

That is really hard to do unless you are directly involved.

I'm confused. I don't mean to sound not sensitive but how do you pressure someone into oral sex? Did he talk her into it? Did he threaten her into giving him oral sex? Did he threaten her to hurt her business if she did not comply? And she gave him oral sex under duress? I think if I was Watson it's time to go ahead and let it go to court even if it's civil court. I'll say it now and if I'm wrong then that means some hard evidence came out of this case but I don't see how without more evidence besides an accusation this changes anything in the eyes of the NFL. And if this happened at the Houstonian hotel I guess the NFL already knew of this case and I would be interested in knowing if this was one of the cases the Texans settled.

There are many ways this could happen. When someone comes in with the power/fame of Watson it changes the roles of when something like this is pressured of someone. I could go over many scenarios, but if someone is asking I really don't think someone has applied the same effort to think about the other side.

I'm confused. I don't mean to sound not sensitive but how do you pressure someone into oral sex? Did he talk her into it? Did he threaten her into giving him oral sex? Did he threaten her to hurt her business if she did not comply? And she gave him oral sex under duress? I think if I was Watson it's time to go ahead and let it go to court even if it's civil court. I'll say it now and if I'm wrong then that means some hard evidence came out of this case but I don't see how without more evidence besides an accusation this changes anything in the eyes of the NFL. And if this happened at the Houstonian hotel I guess the NFL already knew of this case and I would be interested in knowing if this was one of the cases the Texans settled.

There are many ways this could happen. When someone comes in with the power/fame of Watson it changes the roles of when something like this is pressured of someone. I could go over many scenarios, but if someone is asking I really don't think someone has applied the same effort to think about the other side.

I did think of the other side but it's a legitimate question and it's okay to question the merit of the case which will be done by the attorneys as well. He had already asked her for sex and she declined. The massage continued and then he pressured her into oral sex. How did he do that? I just want to know the facts of the case before I decide my view on the accusation. Did the NFL know? Is this one of the cases the Texans settled? I don't and won't rush judgment on either side. I'm not saying he did not do something wrong and I'm not saying he did base on an accusation. At this point, I hope to have these two cases go to court so it does get played out and we see the actual evidence in the cases. It seems to be a status of political correctness to assume the guilt of Watson in the eyes of public opinion when no evidence but an accusation has been presented.

Right, an accusation comes out and you are questioning the legitimacy of it asking for facts. That is really hard to do unless you are directly involved.

That is exactly what the court system is built to do. We don't even know the details of the accusation yet.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Regardless of who you believe or what he did, it's obvious this guy's moral compass is broken. Very good chance this goes down as the worst trade/contract in NFL history.

It sure could. On the other end of the spectrum, if he wins one super bowl then it's the best trade ever even if his antics lead the team to get kicked out of the league forever.
The rare trade that can swing so far in either direction

Best trade ever is probably taking it a bit far. That's a lot of guaranteed money. I guess the question is how much is a Super Bowl Championship worth to a franchise these days? I honestly have no idea.

I'd say he'd pretty much have to turn Cleveland into a dynasty with multiple championships to call it a best trade ever. If he wins one in the next year or two, how long is his playing style going to last? How long is he going to keep his pecker in his pants? It's almost inevitable that Cleveland is going to be hurting on the back end of this. Guaranteed contracts may be the direction this is all going(I hope not), but this one was a WTF regardless of what happens. Just my opinion.

 

[Faust]

Roger Goodell said Deshaun Watson is on track to return Week 13.​

Watson is scheduled to start at quarterback for the Browns December 4th. According to Goodell, he has followed the terms of his suspension and will take over for Jacoby Brissett who’s led the team to a 2-4 record. Keep in mind, another civil suit was filed against Watson just last week. Nonetheless, pending any unforeseen circumstances, Watson is on track to play Week 13.
Oct 18, 2022, 7:09 PM ET

 

[BassNBrew]

Regardless of who you believe or what he did, it's obvious this guy's moral compass is broken. Very good chance this goes down as the worst trade/contract in NFL history.

I think Russell Wilson already spiked the ball on worst trade/contract.