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QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (2 Viewers)
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Footballguy
Joe wasn’t looking great either, so there’s that. But we’re watching different games if you call that a good half.laughing that he's outplaying Burrow, had SEVERAL bad drops by WRs and he's being called trash
Good half in bad weather. A few bad passes, but looking fine out there.
The Frankman
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
By hook or by crook, the offense Stefanski was running before is going to have to be scrapped in favor of more spread concepts Watson thrived at in Houston. It would help if the line maybe pass-blocked a little better... but it doesn't hide the fact that Watson hasn't come close to resembling even 90% of his old form. This is the point where the rubber will start to meet the road for Deshaun Watson; they don't have the luxury of Nick Chubb running the ball this year and quite possibly ever again.
Worth noting in my opinion:
Last 7 games:
Player A
1,340 passing yards
7-2 TD/INT
66% completion
92.6 rating
Player B
1,491 passing yards
9-7 TD/INT
57% completion
75.9 rating
Player B is Deshaun Watson, Player A is Baker Mayfield.
3 1st round picks, $230 million, and the respect of women everywhere, and Watson might not even be the better QB.
Last 7 games:
Player A
1,340 passing yards
7-2 TD/INT
66% completion
92.6 rating
Player B
1,491 passing yards
9-7 TD/INT
57% completion
75.9 rating
Player B is Deshaun Watson, Player A is Baker Mayfield.
3 1st round picks, $230 million, and the respect of women everywhere, and Watson might not even be the better QB.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
He was bad, and handed a winnable game away. No pocket awareness, and some of those throws 5 yards out of bounds were head scratchers.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Baker already ruined a franchise, got multiple coaches fired for ineptitude and pissed off all a whole receiving group though. At the very least, Deshaun Watson deserves the same shot.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Baker ruined the Browns?! I think they had plenty of issues that predated Baker. Starting to look like maybe he wasn't the problem... And if Browns fans were honest I bet they'd take him back in a heart beat right now, especially if they could get out of DW's contract and get their picks back.
He made a few good throws. But many of the longer throws were way off the mark and poor decisions. And he loves the sideline, maybe he's worried about INTs. There wasn't a lot of separation. This has vibes of Russell in Denver in 2022, with a coach and QB mismatch.
Capella
CAPELLODINHO
Of course they would. Baker, allllll those draft picks and 230M in cap space is infinitely more valuable than Watson. Cleveland made a franchise-crippling mistake.
Sucks for the fans, particularly since they have to root for such a piece of garbage on top of it.
TommyKramer9
Footballguy
IMO Watson is washed up. Never again will he be anything better than a mediocre QB
Major
Footballguy
Ben Simmons of the NFL? It's starting to feel that way.
massraider
Footballguy
I find it shocking a guy that good could be so un-special.
Really not impressed with that offense they were rolling out, I tuned in for 2nd half. They ran the ball up the gut on every 1st down I was paying attention.
If Stefanski is forced to open it up, maybe Watson can improve.
Really not impressed with that offense they were rolling out, I tuned in for 2nd half. They ran the ball up the gut on every 1st down I was paying attention.
If Stefanski is forced to open it up, maybe Watson can improve.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I was a big fan at Clemson and in Houston, but I feel the same. I think Karma is part of this, I really do.
dschuler
Footballguy
It really is quite the dilemma. If he had a one year contract, I’m very confident we would see Dorian Robinson-Thompson start some games this year. But that contract is so crippling it gives Watson a lot of job security and really has a chance to set this franchise back for years to come.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Watson was awful
From Kevin Cole's (former PFF data scientist) substack.
"Deshaun Watson’s 25 expected points lost to turnovers and sacks is a jaw-dropping number. That number is in the bottom 1st percentile since 2018, and he also lost an additional 5.3 expected points on non-fumble designed runs and scrambles, including two 15-yard penalties for grabbing an opponent’s facemask. Watson generated some value through the air, but was inaccurate generally (-7.5% CPOE) and hasn’t shown any signs of breaking out of his post-suspension slump. I’m not closing the book on Watson returning to the elite form we saw from 2017-2020, but if he continues to play this way, the Browns combination of trade value and contract given away to acquire Watson will go down as one of the worst personnel moves in NFL history."
"Deshaun Watson’s 25 expected points lost to turnovers and sacks is a jaw-dropping number. That number is in the bottom 1st percentile since 2018, and he also lost an additional 5.3 expected points on non-fumble designed runs and scrambles, including two 15-yard penalties for grabbing an opponent’s facemask. Watson generated some value through the air, but was inaccurate generally (-7.5% CPOE) and hasn’t shown any signs of breaking out of his post-suspension slump. I’m not closing the book on Watson returning to the elite form we saw from 2017-2020, but if he continues to play this way, the Browns combination of trade value and contract given away to acquire Watson will go down as one of the worst personnel moves in NFL history."
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Why did Watson seem so much better when he was on Houston?
Right now he looks very mediocre at best. Just does not look the same.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And there is no way to reverse ship, they are going to be stuck with Watson for the duration which I assume is going to be the next 4-5 seasons.
Only thing they could do is possibly draft a QB in the 2nd Rd or later and see if he develops behind Watson and then you could maybe turn the page.
He looked terrible, 15/29 for 160 yds, that's what you get in primetime from a guy you paid all that money and draft picks for?
-We're done with word association or whatever the nonsense off field, this is purely QB analysis and right now he is terrible.
The Browns offense played poorly, especially the passing game in Week 1 but folks didn't talk about it because they won 24-3 over the Bengals. But they struggled.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
They say players do better when they are relaxed, and I remember hearing he used to get a lot of massages in Houston.
Atlanta was very in on trading 3 1sts for Watson, they just weren't going to do that contract.
Truthfully Wilson looks better, and cost quite a bit less.
I feel 100% confident the Browns would be 2-0 with Mayfield starting, hell, they'd be 2-0 with Brissett starting. DTR, maybe?
Deshaun Watson is 100% of the reason they lost to the Steelers.
massraider
Footballguy
I wonder about motivation. If someone paid you ten mill a year to do pushups in your driveway, you would do them.
If someone paid you 50 mill a year to do pushups in your driveway, whether you did them or not, would you?
If someone paid you 50 mill a year to do pushups in your driveway, whether you did them or not, would you?
massraider
Footballguy
Also, he can run for 70 and throw for 300 next week, and turn the whole story around.
Major
Footballguy
IIRC Miami previously offered 3 1st and 2 2nds but Houston's genius GM Nick Casserio was holding out for more
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He doesn't look like the same guy I saw when he was in Houston.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah I know. I also know it's been two weeks and he's had two years off. He had bad weeks in Houston.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
They problem is he HAS to do this all the time to justify what they gave up for him.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He played last year and that should have been his games to knock the rust off. I don't think that excuse can continue to be used now.
Beef Ravioli Part 2
Footballguy
Miami, Atlanta and Carolina were all in the running at one point or another and I believe all had similar trade offers.
The only way the Browns could get to the top of that list was with the over the top financial offer. Without that money Watson was not choosing the Browns, no matter what he has said since.
The Browns were convinced that Baker was not the answer at QB (I agreed) and that Watson would be the answer(looking really bad at the moment!) and were willing to give up the draft capital to satisfy the Texans and the money to satisfy Watson.
massraider
Footballguy
Agreed.
I was only saying that one week can change perspective.
Every post on every guy who is disappointing or killing it right now assumes everything will continue on, exactly the same.
If a player has two quiet weeks in weeks 11/12, it's not as big a deal, to everyone, as weeks 1/2.
This is how buy low happens, right?
dschuler
Footballguy
Atlanta. They dodged quite a bullet
JohnnyU
Footballguy
....without the legs.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
100%. Week 1 in the rain and a tough defense last night. He could turn it around.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
If he doesn't turn it around, give DTR a chance. He looked great in the preseason.
a_troll00
Footballguy
NFL will evaluate all plays involving Deshaun Watson infractions from Monday night.
NFL will evaluate and discuss “all plays” involving Deshaun Watson infractions on Tuesday
Watson had two blatant face mask fouls and shoved a ref. He could be looking at a suspension.
NFL will evaluate and discuss “all plays” involving Deshaun Watson infractions on Tuesday
Watson had two blatant face mask fouls and shoved a ref. He could be looking at a suspension.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He was just using them as leverage to not fall down.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
How long do you wait? That contract has to play.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Bet the stack on him FAAB wise?
what aspect of his career with the browns makes you think he's capable of doing this in one game?
