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Deshaun Watson's criminal sexual misconduct case will be presented to a grand jury on Friday. 

Ten women filed criminal complaints against Watson, and three allege sexual assault or attempted sexual assault. It is unclear how many the Houston DA plans to present to the grand jury, but legal scholars seem to believe the proceeding will be more likely than not to result in criminal charges. Then, either a trial or plea agreement will follow. It is an ominous legal development for the 26-year-old. Despite now a year-plus of endless trade chatter, Watson's NFL saga is no closer to resolution than it was in 2021. His legal saga could be just beginning. 

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter 

Mar 8, 2022, 5:11 PM ET
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Friday should bring a lot of clarity to the situation.

Seattle can probably be added to possible landing spots for Watson. 

 
Silver & Black said:
If the grand jury fails to indict, I think that would greatly clarify things.
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As the expression goes, “a grand jury could indict a ham sandwich”.

The “milestone” question before was “will it go to GJ or not” - with many saying it wouldn’t. He’d pay them all off, the AG wouldn’t convene the GJ, etc.

Well that milestone is here & it absolutely didn’t go Watson’s way. And from what I understand, they typically convene a grand jury only if they feel they have enough evidence. 

And we know from past reports that many of the 10 women involved do not wish to settle. Of course that could change with an indictment, as the settlement offer could go up once Watson is in real jeopardy of a trial result.

time will tell, but there’s also a possible (and very likely) NFL suspension.

2023 is my bet, so long as Watson isn’t sentenced to prison (which I feel is possible, but very unlikely) 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
My phone lit up, I took the other thread down, bad info and I think folks are pushing for things to hapen, I'm erasing my post
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Lol now I’m curious, what did the fake bucs offer as a fake return in the trade?

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
As the expression goes, “a grand jury could indict a ham sandwich”.

The “milestone” question before was “will it go to GJ or not” - with many saying it wouldn’t. He’d pay them all off, the AG wouldn’t convene the GJ, etc.

Well that milestone is here & it absolutely didn’t go Watson’s way. And from what I understand, they typically convene a grand jury only if they feel they have enough evidence. 

And we know from past reports that many of the 10 women involved do not wish to settle. Of course that could change with an indictment, as the settlement offer could go up once Watson is in real jeopardy of a trial result.

time will tell, but there’s also a possible (and very likely) NFL suspension.

2023 is my bet, so long as Watson isn’t sentenced to prison (which I feel is possible, but very unlikely) 
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A settlement of the civil suits wouldn't automatically dismiss the criminal case if the grand jury indicts. 

This line in the blurb above posted by Faust is curious:

 but legal scholars seem to believe the proceeding will be more likely than not to result in criminal charges.
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If he's indicted and doesn't plea down, this isn't going away anytime soon.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
A settlement of the civil suits wouldn't automatically dismiss the criminal case if the grand jury indicts. 

This line in the blurb above posted by Faust is curious:

If he's indicted and doesn't plea down, this isn't going away anytime soon.
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Good point. Also, there’s the possibility of a felony charge.

the individual misdemeanors are “up to a year and/or fine” which likely means no jail time. 

The felony is 2-20. That would be bad. 

 
Gally said:
Seahawks being interested seems absurd.  They just parted with a similar QB and cut their best defensive player.  Why take on Watson and his baggage?  That makes zero sense.  
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I thought Sea was well over the Cap to consider Watson?  If they have to make changes in current contracts and replace them with all the draft picks, this is a rebuild and a 26 yo Watson does not really fit that equation. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
As the expression goes, “a grand jury could indict a ham sandwich”.

The “milestone” question before was “will it go to GJ or not” - with many saying it wouldn’t. He’d pay them all off, the AG wouldn’t convene the GJ, etc.

Well that milestone is here & it absolutely didn’t go Watson’s way. And from what I understand, they typically convene a grand jury only if they feel they have enough evidence. 

And we know from past reports that many of the 10 women involved do not wish to settle. Of course that could change with an indictment, as the settlement offer could go up once Watson is in real jeopardy of a trial result.

time will tell, but there’s also a possible (and very likely) NFL suspension.

2023 is my bet, so long as Watson isn’t sentenced to prison (which I feel is possible, but very unlikely) 
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You may be right. It's also possible this was brought to a GJ to avoid criticism over inaction by the DA, which was certainly an available path if he'd actually concluded he had enough evidence. It will be interesting to see how this plays out if the GJ indicts and suddenly a reluctant DA is forced to deal with bad facts the GJ never saw.

 
BigJim® said:
You may be right. It's also possible this was brought to a GJ to avoid criticism over inaction by the DA, which was certainly an available path if he'd actually concluded he had enough evidence. It will be interesting to see how this plays out if the GJ indicts and suddenly a reluctant DA is forced to deal with bad facts the GJ never saw.
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There’s 22 women suing, 10 pressing charges. What bad facts are you expecting? 

 
BigJim® said:
Do you consider one of these women texting him an apology for her conduct the next day, asking when she could schedule a next appointment, a bad fact?
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Facts are facts - there are no good or bad ones. Some facts may be favorable to Watson, others favorable to the prosecution - time will tell. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Facts are facts - there are no good or bad ones. Some facts may be favorable to Watson, others favorable to the prosecution - time will tell. 
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That's sort of a quibble with what I said, no? I think the context of what I wrote speaks for itself in terms of the difference between evidence provided at a GJ proceeding and what would be presented at a resulting trial. 

 
BigJim® said:
That's sort of a quibble with what I said, no? I think the context of what I wrote speaks for itself in terms of the difference between evidence provided at a GJ proceeding and what would be presented at a resulting trial. 
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I’m not sure what you mean. Evidence presented at a GJ is also used at trial. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I’m not sure what you mean. Evidence presented at a GJ is also used at trial. 
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Right, and generally the GJ is lopsided with evidence a prosecutor chooses to present. As I understand, they are supposed to disclose exculpatory evidence, but it's not really anything that is enforced and you would not expect the same degree of evidence in favor of the defense. 

 
BigJim® said:
Right, and generally the GJ is lopsided with evidence a prosecutor chooses to present. As I understand, they are supposed to disclose exculpatory evidence, but it's not really anything that is enforced and you would not expect the same degree of evidence in favor of the defense. 
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I’m not familiar enough with the process. 

I do know that this is bad for Watson. I’m also betting he gets suspended by the league regardless of tomorrow’s outcome (assuming it doesn’t drag in into next week) 

 
I'm just sick of the non-stop headlines about "interested teams" that are obviously being pumped out by Watson.

Would be amazing if justice actually got dealt for once but not holding my breath.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I’m not familiar enough with the process. 

I do know that this is bad for Watson. I’m also betting he gets suspended by the league regardless of tomorrow’s outcome (assuming it doesn’t drag in into next week) 
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The league can’t suspend him with a civil case, but can for the criminal case if he is indicted, which I expect to happen tomorrow.

 
Birdie048 said:
I thought Sea was well over the Cap to consider Watson?  If they have to make changes in current contracts and replace them with all the draft picks, this is a rebuild and a 26 yo Watson does not really fit that equation. 
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$51M Under the cap right now to my knowledge. 

Loaded up now with multiple 1st in '23, 9-40-41 this year

 
The Charlotte Observer reports the Panthers remain in contact with the Texans about a Deshaun Watson trade. 

The Observer reports the Panthers have "have again been in contact with the Texans this month about Watson and what a potential trade would look like." It is unclear what the contours of a potential deal might be, or if the Texans even have a shot at their long-rumored desire for three first-round picks. Watson, of course, has to clear up his legal issues before a deal can even come close to fruition. A Harris County, Texas grand jury will decide on Friday whether Watson should face criminal charges. If Watson is charged, no one is going to be calling the Texans as long as the matter is unresolved.  

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SOURCE: Charlotte Observer 

Mar 10, 2022, 8:21 PM ET
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Just dont get too much hope on today - the old saying is a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich....its an extremely low threshold.  Id be shocked if he wasnt indicted but we'll see.  Certainly would remove one big barrier for a deal. 

 
Gally said:
Why?  This makes no sense to me.  They just got rid of a guy with a big cap number and cut their best defensive guy.  Why would they take on Watson and all his baggage?  
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I agree, but the “why” is easy. 
talent > baggage

Watson is still young, and he’s a hell of a football player. Eventually his legal issues will be cleared up, and he’ll resume his playing career.

i don’t see him playing in 2022, but that’s just my gut feel. If he’s acquitted today (or whenever the GJ decides) then it’ll happen sooner than later. 

 
Gally said:
Why?  This makes no sense to me.  They just got rid of a guy with a big cap number and cut their best defensive guy.  Why would they take on Watson and all his baggage?  
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Because Seattle always finds a way to make my ulcer bleed.

ETA: Seattle has over $50 million I'm cap space. I'm just sayin. 

 
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Kiddnets said:
Just dont get too much hope on today - the old saying is a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich....its an extremely low threshold.  Id be shocked if he wasnt indicted but we'll see.  Certainly would remove one big barrier for a deal. 
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Agree that you should not get to much hope up today because I don't anticipate the grand jury reaching a no bill decision today.

On the other hand I would be surprised if he's indicted.

 
At his deposition on Friday, Deshaun Watson exercised his fifth-amendment rights for "several" hours under questioning for 22 civil lawsuits accusing him of sexual assault and harassment.

Speaking to Aaron Wilson, Watson lawyer Rusty Hardin said that: "It went fine. He took the Fifth. No lawyer in the universe would allow his client to answer questions while that subject matter is under investigation before the grand jury." The more important question for the clarification of Watson's status will come out with the results of the grand jury meeting. Watson could be criminally charged today, which would likely cut off any chance of a trade resolving his status in the short term. 

SOURCE: Houston Chronicle

Mar 11, 2022, 3:21 PM ET
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@RapSheet

Now that the criminal matters are over — and Deshaun Watson won’t be charged — expect his trade market to ramp up quickly. Teams have been waiting. This clears the path for a deal by the start of the league year.

 
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