Speculated that some free agent WR’s are waiting on his decision. Will Fuller almost for certain for example, he likely wouldn’t cost much either.
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QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (8 Viewers)
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Fat Nick
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Julio was just cut - he could make sense at a reduced price for 2022 with Ridley out.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Define "much." He made $10M+ last year. Kirk just signed for $18-21M a year. One would believe that Fuller will want more than he made last year given that the top of the market is $20M+ these days. Is he worth $12-15M a year? He's missed 42 games over his 6-year career.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t see Fuller demanding more than last year - he’s gonna have to come in on some sort of incentive-laden contrast at this point.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Mvs and Landry would blend well with Pitts if they can get those guys
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Patterson is 31 years old and still a free agent and I think there's a pretty decent chance we never Ridley again.
Dr. Octopus
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massraider
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
He should get a deal like that, but there are not a lot of receivers on the market, and the ones that have signed or resigned have been getting some decent money. We discussed this once already, and I suggested a one year, $6M deal with lots of incentives. I bet there will be at least one team that will be convinced he could get 1200/10 and overpay for him. I can also see a team going 2/$25M with the first-year accounting for only a quarter of that, meaning that team could have to overpay him in Year 2 or take a decent cap hit to release him next year.
You are not wrong but compared to Saints I'd make a case it's a lot better long term and I say that mainly looking at salary/age of Thomas vs Pitts.
But I'm sure Watson understands, I hope anyway, that year one might involve missing a chunk of season for suspension and the franchise absorbing the main pain of the Ryan escape. If he's thinking long term he'd have Pitts and ability to recruit with Atlanta as his base and I'm sure it won't take long to surround himself with more talent.
1 year prove it contract last year and he failed to prove it. He certainly may demand more though with the cap going up.
Lol, true enough but NFL teams for some reason don’t seem to think this way like us fans. Fuller is just one guy though, maybe they target Juju or ARob instead?
Or maybe they just say screw year 1 since Watson will likely miss some games anyway due to suspension and the massive dead money hit they will have to eat for trading Ryan. Once that is gone they would be in pretty good shape cap-wise even with Watson on the roster. Think they are projected middle of the pack next year with 70+MM in space for 2023 and that’s with Ryan costing 40+MM. although next years cap #’s right now will clearly change a lot between now and the start of the season.
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Grahamburn
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Its an interesting concept that a guy can gamble $1,500 and possibly never play again, but the guy in this very thread can be accused of multiple sexual assaults and is viewed as a franchise changing player. Odd world we live in.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Birdie048
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Bit of a false dilemma fallacy at work here.
Both of these things are bad.
One of these things is substantially worse than the other, allegedly.
One of these things is allegedly an assault on women, which, while objectively terrible, unacceptable, and creepy, does not jeopardize the integrity of the sport.
The other thing, while socially less objectionable, does actually have potential to jeopardize the integrity of the sport.
Apples / oranges
it doesn’t really say anything about society. Society largely agrees that gambling is not as problematic as (alleged) sexual assault.
That said, if the GJ had indicted Watson, and evidence of rape or other such had come out, I’m reasonably certain Watson’s career would be in equal or greater jeopardy than Ridley’s. But since he was acquitted, there’s only so much the league can and will do.
Context does matter. Ridley is facing punishment for violating the league’s policy about players gambling, and Watson will face punishment for his violation of the PCP.
It’s a stretch to associate these two things and conflate their respective punishments as some sort of statement about what the world we live in cares more about. The world we live in ain’t got nuthin to do with it.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Just a creep? He should be in prison.
Anyway. I knew someone would say "jeopardize the integrity of the sport." Man, what integrity? All of us following this thread to see how where this guy goes influences our fantasy team(s) or the NFL team we root for? Where's our integrity?
Oh well. Not a fight I'll spend any time trying to win.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Also, the entire purpose of this thread is for information. I am sure there are other threads about integrity.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
if there’s enough evidence to convict him, which reportedly there was not.
if we believe the DA had the will to do so. We’ll never know what was shown to that GJ, or how full-throated the DA’s offense was.
So no, since people are innocent until proven guilty, Watson should not be in prison. That’s preposterous.
And that’s coming from me, the “believe women” guy in here. Still have to prove the case & find him guilty of crimes to put someone in jail, even in TX.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Cripes, this thread reallllly needs him to sign somewhere
BigJim®
Footballguy
Not according to a Grand Jury, who has more factual evidence and witness testimony than you do.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
I know a lot of players have done a lot of bad things, but this one feels the slimiest to me, even more so because a ton of bros out there get to puff their chest and say "see, told you those broads are full of it." Now Watson gets to have the red carpet rolled out and everyone gush about his ability.
People can believe what they want. This will be the first time I actively root for an athlete to get hurt, humiliated, go down in flames or worse. Everything about Watson repulses me, from being "a man of god" to pumping out endless fake stories about teams being interested to being the most annoying, endless NFL story I can remember.
People can believe what they want. This will be the first time I actively root for an athlete to get hurt, humiliated, go down in flames or worse. Everything about Watson repulses me, from being "a man of god" to pumping out endless fake stories about teams being interested to being the most annoying, endless NFL story I can remember.
BigJim®
Footballguy
This is correct, though there is a bit of a nuance in how the OP question was asked: "My understanding just without knowing anything before is with a Civil case they have evidence of wrong doing but not enough to take it to a trial as a criminal case for a prosecution. I forget the different between the two and maybe one of the lawyers here can explain that better."GregR said:
The Grand Jury was not determining whether Watson was guilty at all, set aside "beyond a reasonable doubt." Beyond reasonable doubt is the standard to convict of the crime. What the Grand Jury was determining (whether to "take a criminal case for prosecution." ) was a lower standard, which is whether the evidence established probable cause to believe an offense has been committed.
GregR
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GregR
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GregR
Footballguy
Hugely interesting take away there is Pelissero is saying that teams only agreed to basic parameters for a trade with the Texans (i.e. three 1st round picks plus other stuff), but don't have the exact specific deals done yet. So whoever Watson picks still would have some of that needing to be done.
jabarony
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Birdie048
Footballguy
Stories of his arrogant behavior and unrealistic demands have spread. He is a driven man and wants to show everyone how brilliant he is by being a nasty boss….that is the “clean version” of him
Pigskin Fanatic
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Man this guy, looks like we this one's not going down for a few more days.
Aaron Wilson now reporting Watson is expected to take a few days and contemplate it over the weekend.I mean what has this guy been doing all year?
In related news Atlanta pushed back Matt Ryans $7.5M roster bonus until Tuesday.
Aaron Wilson now reporting Watson is expected to take a few days and contemplate it over the weekend.I mean what has this guy been doing all year?
In related news Atlanta pushed back Matt Ryans $7.5M roster bonus until Tuesday.
massraider
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
And people thought The Decision was bad
Birdie048
Footballguy
Atlanta also "delayed" Ryan's $7.5M Roster Bonus due tomorrow... now scheduled for Tuesday next week.
Time for the Massage Mauler Parade to come thru town.
massraider
Footballguy
Mister CIA
Footballguy
ATL = worst kept secret
NOS = best kept secret
NOS = best kept secret
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Because he's an ####### in general?
-He got a break in Pittsburgh learning the system and thought he was a relative bad ### when he got ownership in Carolina
I can go on and on but why? He stinks and he has ruined many of the fans and they won't come back.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Just to be fair to Tepper… there is also stories of him being strict about certain things… Watson’s lack of contrition behavior might have been part of Teppper’s aggressive questioning causing Watson to back away.
-OZ-
Footballguy
while the circumstances are clearly different, many of us have made a choice between personal optimal jobs and professional optimal jobs. Although sometimes the personal choices work out well
ATL: personal
NOS: professional
nice choice of words Kyle “It's about to get scary in Atlanta ...",
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Bigboy10182000
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massraider
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Right. If he was going to the Saints, he woulda been gone already.
Falcons have to rework Watson deal, and get the Ryan deal done.
Looking forward to the info guys saying, one the deal is done, that they knew it was a done deal after Ryan moved his deadline backs.
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