QB Jameis Winston, NYG (3 Viewers)

[kOOk]

Keep the discussion about 95% to what the player will do on the field.

Say what?  Please explain what I said was wrong.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Say what?  Please explain what I said was wrong.

Keep it on the topic of Football.

Not

Great call.  Diversion tactic.  That stuff is elementary school tactics, is it not?

Nuts.  Love you BB, but that was nuts.  Read it back again.

This is starting to get close to the Tiger Woods thread over in the FFA. The one where the guy / lawyer won't let it go, no matter what.  Even though it's schtick. It's all inconceivable, but fantastic nonetheless.

Thanks. 

 

[kOOk]

Keep it on the topic of Football.

Not

Thanks. 

Okay, so what the player can do on the field is what you want?  How about losing his mind over and over again and and act like a complete idiot.  Is that okay to start with?

 

[FBG Moderator]

Okay, so what the player can do on the field is what you want?  How about losing his mind over and over again and and act like a complete idiot.  Is that okay to start with?

Yes. Keep it on the topic of the player. 

 

[kOOk]

Fair enough.  Sorry.  BTW, Lod kind of killed it in here, is he also being monitored or no?

 

[lod001]

Fair enough.  Sorry.  BTW, Lod kind of killed it in here, is he also being monitored or no?

By killing it, you must mean by being correct in my assessment.

I simply state facts regarding his play. It's horrible. He is a massive turnover machine. He can't read a defense to save his life. Can't throw an accurate deep pass. He throws more horrible passes than anyone not named Brock. If the defensive players could actually catch, his TOs would be double. "I think Jameis throws way too many interceptions," Mayock said on the show. "Obviously, he has the ability to close games. ... He was at his best when the best was needed and I give him credit for that. But he threw (a combined) seven interceptions vs. Louisville and Florida, and it could have been 14 if the other team could catch the ball. He throws the ball up for grabs, in my opinion, way too often. That's my big issue with him on the field." That was in college and it's a lot tougher in the NFL and he's no different.
All you have to do is read reports on this guy. They have come around to how awful he really is. The franchise is on pace to do exactly what the Texans did with Carr and that is blame everyone else until there is no one left to blame. THEN you get rid of the real problem.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/12/3/16730254/jameis-winstons-bad-decision-fumble-touchdown-packers
https://www.bucsnation.com/2017/10/29/16567618/panthers-vs-buccaneers-final-score-jameis-winston-throws-away-the-game
https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-jameis-winston-went-darkhorse-mvp-candidate-massive-disappointment-170958454.html

Then there's this one. Sure he put up 4k yards his rookie season and the next season. Yards don't win games. Turnovers help you lose games.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/progress-from-jameis-winston-is-all-that-stands-in-the-way-of-a-buccaneers-title-run/
Winston's numbers were still bad. In 2015, Winston's adjusted completion percentage was a league-low 69.2. In 2016, Winston posted an adjusted completion percentage of 69.1, which ranked 26th of 29 qualified passers. 

At least he's consistently inconsistent.

Now when others rip my correct analysis, sure I defend myself.

Monitored? I'm being told on constantly. It's really sad but it is what it is.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Start Winston vs. ATL.

Winston is has been terrible this year.. Watching the game last week I literally cringed on several plays. He just looks awkward and lost at times and those times usually result in a turnover. That's not to say he doesn't look good at times also but there's just very little consistency to his game. 

However being bad in real life doesn't always equate to being bad in fantasy (see 2015 Blake Bortles). Since returning from his shoulder injury Winston has finished as the QB5 and the QB12 respectively. Last year vs. ATL he put up lines of 281/4/1 and 261/3/0. ATL is -6 so Winston will likely be doing a healthy amount of throwing.

I doubt many playoff teams are even entertaining starting him but once you move past the top 6 or so options you can make a very good case for him this week.

 

[creepythinman]

Start Winston vs. ATL.

Winston is has been terrible this year.. Watching the game last week I literally cringed on several plays. He just looks awkward and lost at times and those times usually result in a turnover. That's not to say he doesn't look good at times also but there's just very little consistency to his game. 

However being bad in real life doesn't always equate to being bad in fantasy (see 2015 Blake Bortles). Since returning from his shoulder injury Winston has finished as the QB5 and the QB12 respectively. Last year vs. ATL he put up lines of 281/4/1 and 261/3/0. ATL is -6 so Winston will likely be doing a healthy amount of throwing.

I doubt many playoff teams are even entertaining starting him but once you move past the top 6 or so options you can make a very good case for him this week.

Thanks for last year's numbers. Have to choose between Winston and Mariota (oy).

 

[need2know]

Cousins or Winston

 

[SameSongNDance]

Thanks for last year's numbers. Have to choose between Winston and Mariota (oy).

I trust Mariota less than Winston, he's playing worse IMO. And if Mariota can't scramble forget about it. In 4 games Winston has averaged 22.35ppg (Yahoo leagues) vs. ATL. It probably won't be pretty but I think he does well vs. ATL. 

 

[ffweasel]

Cousins or Winston

I have Garoppolo & Winston. I’m actually starting Jimmy this week. In your case I’d lean Winston probably. 

 

[kOOk]

By killing it, you must mean by being correct in my assessment.

I simply state facts regarding his play. It's horrible. He is a massive turnover machine. He can't read a defense to save his life. Can't throw an accurate deep pass. He throws more horrible passes than anyone not named Brock. If the defensive players could actually catch, his TOs would be double. "I think Jameis throws way too many interceptions," Mayock said on the show. "Obviously, he has the ability to close games. ... He was at his best when the best was needed and I give him credit for that. But he threw (a combined) seven interceptions vs. Louisville and Florida, and it could have been 14 if the other team could catch the ball. He throws the ball up for grabs, in my opinion, way too often. That's my big issue with him on the field." That was in college and it's a lot tougher in the NFL and he's no different.
All you have to do is read reports on this guy. They have come around to how awful he really is. The franchise is on pace to do exactly what the Texans did with Carr and that is blame everyone else until there is no one left to blame. THEN you get rid of the real problem.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/12/3/16730254/jameis-winstons-bad-decision-fumble-touchdown-packers
https://www.bucsnation.com/2017/10/29/16567618/panthers-vs-buccaneers-final-score-jameis-winston-throws-away-the-game
https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-jameis-winston-went-darkhorse-mvp-candidate-massive-disappointment-170958454.html

Then there's this one. Sure he put up 4k yards his rookie season and the next season. Yards don't win games. Turnovers help you lose games.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/progress-from-jameis-winston-is-all-that-stands-in-the-way-of-a-buccaneers-title-run/
Winston's numbers were still bad. In 2015, Winston's adjusted completion percentage was a league-low 69.2. In 2016, Winston posted an adjusted completion percentage of 69.1, which ranked 26th of 29 qualified passers. 

At least he's consistently inconsistent.

Now when others rip my correct analysis, sure I defend myself.

Monitored? I'm being told on constantly. It's really sad but it is what it is.

Killing it is a good thing, it was a compliment.

 

[kOOk]

I don't know anything about what the Bucs might do in the draft.  But some guy here at the bar is saying if they get a shot at one of the top QBs, they'll do it and try to trade Jameis and blah, blah, blah.  Is that even a remote possibility?  I'm not buying it.  Anyway, I know one of you guys will know the answer.  What are the likely to do?  Thanks.

 

[Frostillicus]

I just want to mention that right now he's setting a career high in completion pct, QB rating, and TD/INT ratio and is just off his career high of yards per attempt.  

 

[trader jake]

I don't know anything about what the Bucs might do in the draft.  But some guy here at the bar is saying if they get a shot at one of the top QBs, they'll do it and try to trade Jameis and blah, blah, blah.  Is that even a remote possibility?  I'm not buying it.  Anyway, I know one of you guys will know the answer.  What are the likely to do?  Thanks.

Um, no.  Tell that guy to have another one.

Winston has some work to do, but the Bucaneers will attempt to find the right head coach to get the best out of Winston before they trade him away.

 

[Capella]

16/18 for 10 YPA and two scores 

"I won, you lost"

 

[Capella]

It’s always enjoyable to watch people use the cheap tactic of putting a person into a position they haven't put forth and then using that false position to denegrate them.  Have your fun.

Just reading all of this. Incredibly weird last page of posts by that guy. Wow. 

 

[SameSongNDance]

Start Winston vs. ATL.

Winston is has been terrible this year.. Watching the game last week I literally cringed on several plays. He just looks awkward and lost at times and those times usually result in a turnover. That's not to say he doesn't look good at times also but there's just very little consistency to his game.

However being bad in real life doesn't always equate to being bad in fantasy (see 2015 Blake Bortles). Since returning from his shoulder injury Winston has finished as the QB5 and the QB12 respectively. Last year vs. ATL he put up lines of 281/4/1 and 261/3/0. ATL is -6 so Winston will likely be doing a healthy amount of throwing.

I doubt many playoff teams are even entertaining starting him but once you move past the top 6 or so options you can make a very good case for him this week.

Historical data has always been the best indicator for me. It's why I sat Rivers despite his recent play and started Winston despite his recent play.

 

[Frostillicus]

I can't believe Winston missed that kick.  Loser.

 

[Grahamburn]

Entire team showed a lot of composure tonight. 

Jameis was brilliant. 

 

[Capella]

I dunno, it's almost like he was hurt for a large part of the year or something? 

 

[RushHour]

Wow, one good game and he's great again!

 

[Frostillicus]

Wow, one good game and he's great again!

Did you watch?

 

[Grahamburn]

I dunno, it's almost like he was hurt for a large part of the year or something? 

He’s actually been quite good since returning from the injury. 

 

[Dismattle]

Did you watch?

I sorta has the impression the whole Team appeared somewhat more motivated than games I've watched. I'm not implying questions on Winston. It's just that the best QB's always appear to be giving 110% effort. The type play that motivates other players to give it their all.. Argument could be raised that just the opposite occurred in this one game.

 

[Capella]

Up to #15 for PFF for the year, and now in the category "above-average", which before you comment, weighs his score not his rank. 

 

[rockaction]

Up to #15 for PFF for the year, and now in the category "above-average", which before you comment, weighs his score not his rank. 

Big bust for me this year, honestly. Keenum's been better for me while Winston was out, Newton lots better. 

I'm sorry you're a homer, but drafting Winston for FF has been a pretty shaky proposition. If I didn't draft Bell and Elliott, I'm not in the championship game.  

If we're talking pure football, I'm a believer.  

 

[Grahamburn]

He's been inconsistent.  Nobody would argue that.  We can make a million excuses.  Last night showed what he's capable of. 

 

[lod001]

The guy actually played under control and didn't do anything stupid. I'm thinking they slipped him a double dose of ADHD medicine. First time I've seen him play where his eyes weren't bugging out of his head. Should be an entertaining 2018 coming. We will see if he can eat some Ws. 

 

[Hankmoody]

Yeah the world is ending now, pardon me while I look for a bomb shelter.

 

[avoiding injuries]

He "scored" 3 pts against CAR earlier this year. What are people expecting this coming week?

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Lost Rodgers again so now I'm deciding btw Winston and Cousins vs Denver.  

Hate both matchups tbh, I'm the favorite so I don't need a huge ceiling, just really need a solid floor.  Cousins has been more consistent overall but the offense has looked shaky the last month.

probably rolling out Jameis today but will change my mind many more times this week I think.

 

[whiskey7]

He "scored" 3 pts against CAR earlier this year. What are people expecting this coming week?

I would think he will best his stats from his last game vs CAR but that’s not saying much. And I say that with the caveat he has someone besides Evans to throw to. Jackson and Howard both left last night with injury and Brate was injured, too, though came back in the game and made some plays. I don’t know...250/1 maybe? 

He came through for me to get to the ‘ship but I may look to go another direction this weekend. 

 

[Sarlakticacid]

If we use the reasoning posted above, not sure where, and go of recent history his best outcome would vs Car was 200/1 or close to it.

the oline seemed to hold up better vs Atlanta 

 

[Capella]

OJ Howard on IR and I think Djax will end up there as well. Gonna have less options than usual. I would expect a motivated Carolina team to dominate this week. 

 

[Sarlakticacid]

ChriscGodwin breakout??

 

[Grahamburn]

Tampa is pretty much decimated at this point. Monday night was their last hurrah this year. 

Theyre going to get their doors blown off these next two weeks. 

 

[whiskey7]

OJ Howard on IR and I think Djax will end up there as well. Gonna have less options than usual. I would expect a motivated Carolina team to dominate this week. 

Tampa is pretty much decimated at this point. Monday night was their last hurrah this year. 

Theyre going to get their doors blown off these next two weeks. 

I think you guys are right that Carolina is poised to layeth the smacketh down on Tampa this weekend. I might still roll the dice on Winston (under the belief he's going to be throwing the whole game trying to keep them in it and wind up with a decent stat line) had he not lost two weapons and an O lineman Monday night. I think they're down on D, too. Just seems like too much and this one will be ugly.  

 

[Grahamburn]

I think you guys are right that Carolina is poised to layeth the smacketh down on Tampa this weekend. I might still roll the dice on Winston (under the belief he's going to be throwing the whole game trying to keep them in it and wind up with a decent stat line) had he not lost two weapons and an O lineman Monday night. I think they're down on D, too. Just seems like too much and this one will be ugly.  

Jameis will have to be extremely efficient with their offensive possessions.  Carolina will be able to easily control this game on the ground.  If Tampa can't sustain drives they're not going to be getting the ball back too much.

 

[Capella]

Is 21/27 for 367 for almost 14 yards per attempt on the road underhanded against a 10-win team any good? Playing with an offensive line that allowed you to be hurried almost every play?

 

[Capella]

I dunno, it's almost like he was hurt for a large part of the year or something? 

Wow I don't know but there may be something to this. Maybe his throwing shoulder was hurt or something. It's almost like there were medical reports about it and everything but some people just chose to ignore it as it didn't fit their dumb I won you lost narrative. 

Anyways. 

 

[lod001]

 You lost. I think his meds wore off at the end of the game. I thought his bug eyes were going to pop out of his head. No W eating this week again. Didn't watch the whole game, how many turnovers did he have? At least one or was it 2 again?

You don't seem to know when to quit either and you end up getting slapped in the face every time you spout off. Be it the next week or 2 weeks later.

Looks like he fumbled 3 times and lost them all. But hey, lots of yards and a big YPA. When Gruden is the HC, this will be fun. 

 

[JetMaxx]

That tirade was childish. So glad he’s not the face of my favorite team. 

 

[Grahamburn]

Brady rips a teammate or a coach and he’s a fiery leader. 

Jameis unloads on an official after a hard fought game, in which he played great again, and he’s childish. Go figure.

I’d say he has a reason to be upset. He came out of there with the ball. He also found the ref after the game and apologized. 

Some serious frustration and emotion coming out as we near the culmination of another disappointing season. 

 

[Grahamburn]

Since returning from injury:

95-132. 72% complete. 9.25 YPA. 8 TDs. 2 INTs. 114.5 rating. 

 

[identikit]

Stop turning over the ball.

Then you won't have to throw tantrums.

 

[Capella]

Brady rips a teammate or a coach and he’s a fiery leader. 

Jameis unloads on an official after a hard fought game, in which he played great again, and he’s childish. Go figure.

I’d say he has a reason to be upset. He came out of there with the ball. He also found the ref after the game and apologized. 

Some serious frustration and emotion coming out as we near the culmination of another disappointing season. 

Yuuuuup. 100% this. 

 

[Grahamburn]

Stop turning over the ball.

Then you won't have to throw tantrums.

I guess he could just curl up into the fetal position at the bottom of his drop and take sacks instead of trying to make plays. 

 

[identikit]

I guess he could just curl up into the fetal position at the bottom of his drop and take sacks instead of trying to make plays. 

So no such thing as a bad/dumb turnover because he's trying.

OK

 

[identikit]

Since returning from injury:

95-132. 72% complete. 9.25 YPA. 8 TDs. 2 INTs. 114.5 rating. 

Plus 5 fumbles lost.

Don't forget them.