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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (4 Viewers)

Dirk sucks but god I can’t believe we are going to churn through another coach. 
Dirk's offense works, clearly.  He'll befall the same fate as Tony Dungy though if he's unwilling to fire his buddy on the other side of the ball.  It's not like that defense has anyone returning to it after the bye who is going to help.

 
Dirk's offense works, clearly.  He'll befall the same fate as Tony Dungy though if he's unwilling to fire his buddy on the other side of the ball.  It's not like that defense has anyone returning to it after the bye who is going to help.
Maybe if he crawls to 8-8 and fires Smith he hangs in there again. I love his offense but I don’t think he is suited to be a HC. 

That said, firing him and just bringing in another loser to fire 3 years from now isn’t appealing either. 

 
Maybe if he crawls to 8-8 and fires Smith he hangs in there again. I love his offense but I don’t think he is suited to be a HC. 

That said, firing him and just bringing in another loser to fire 3 years from now isn’t appealing either. 
Tall order if that defense can't figure something out.  It took 3 historic QB performances for the team to even be 2-2.  Good luck, Jameis. 

 
He’s got a great matchup. If Ryan (foot) can’t go I will be starting him. 

Unfortunately my opponent in my other league has him & is starting him. 

Fortunately Ints are -3 in that league. ;)  

 
Don’t know if I can start him over Ben but he should have a big week even if he has 4 TO’s. 
It’s bw Jameis vs atl and dalton vs Pitt for me.  Both tasty matchups.  If Dalton’s weapons weren’t dropping like flies lately it would be Dalton as a slam dunk but the john Ross/eifert/gio/Kraft injuries are making me pause.  

 
It’s bw Jameis vs atl and dalton vs Pitt for me.  Both tasty matchups.  If Dalton’s weapons weren’t dropping like flies lately it would be Dalton as a slam dunk but the john Ross/eifert/gio/Kraft injuries are making me pause.  
Actually I just looked up dalton’s History vs Pitt.  Not good.  They own him.  The way tenn owns bortles.  To the bench he goes and stating either Winston or mayfield 

 
If you own Winston and you don't start him this week, you're never going to start him.

Not guaranteeing a great performance, just saying the matchup in the dome doesn't get much better.

 
Starting him over Goff and Rivers.  I think TB offense is on to something this year and they have the best possible matchup. 

 
planning to put in a claim for him as a Watson owner. With all the hits Watson has been taking, his "questionable" tag at the moment, & this week's matchup for Winston, if I need to start him any week, I'd say this is it.

 
Played well yesterday. 3-4 bad throws but pretty good for first full game. Wish the defense wasn’t maybe the worst all-time, we’d have something here. 

 
Not that it matters too much I guess but is this guy better than Fitz at all? I don't watch many Bucs games so not trying to be wise here but I don't get the mania by the head coach to shove Fitz out at the earliest possible opportunity, when he hadn't done a great deal wrong and was a big part of a 2-2 start. To me, at least statistically, they seem very similar, not seeing much difference between them, lots of TD passes and lots of turnovers and mistakes and still losing games regardless. Maybe Winston is more mobile? I guess in the end, they're both fantasy gold at the position whomever starts.

 
Not that it matters too much I guess but is this guy better than Fitz at all? I don't watch many Bucs games so not trying to be wise here but I don't get the mania by the head coach to shove Fitz out at the earliest possible opportunity, when he hadn't done a great deal wrong and was a big part of a 2-2 start. To me, at least statistically, they seem very similar, not seeing much difference between them, lots of TD passes and lots of turnovers and mistakes and still losing games regardless. Maybe Winston is more mobile? I guess in the end, they're both fantasy gold at the position whomever starts.
Winston was drafted #1 overall 3 years ago. He's their franchise QB.

 
Interesting play call at the end there. Running the ball down the middle of the field and heaving a lateral seemed like an odd play call, at best. They were on the twenty-three or so. That's a place from which you can flood the end zone a bit with some protection. I hope Winston didn't call his own number on that.  

 
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Interesting play call at the end there. Running the ball down the middle of the field and heaving a lateral seemed like an odd play call, at best. They were on the twenty-three or so. That's a place from which you can flood the end zone a bit with some protection. I hope Winston didn't call his own number on that.  
He didn’t. Practiced play. 

 
He didn’t. Practiced play. 
Oh wow. That's interesting. I loved the announcers saying you couldn't advance a fumble anyway. Uh, guys, you can't advance a forward fumble, not laterals. That actually could have worked, then, if it was practiced but it looked pretty bad.  

Winston himself looked good. He's on our waiver wire in one league for some reason and I never would have thought he would be there.  

 
Not that it matters too much I guess but is this guy better than Fitz at all?
Nope. He's a loser. Had 2 picks and it should have been 4 but the ATL D is as bad as the TB D, including inability to catch balls thrown right at them, which Winston did once. I mean it was right at the defender. Hit him in the chest because he can't catch.

Winston was drafted #1 overall 3 years ago. He's their franchise QB.
Only if they make a major mistake and retain him. Franchise QB's do not carry around 18-27 W/L records while piling up more turnovers than TDs. David Carr was draft #1 and thought to be a franchise QB. So were Jamarcus Russell and Sam Bradford. When they stink, that means you just made a huge mistake. Fitz would have won this game.

Fantasywise, any TB QB is fantasy gold.

 
I am tempering my expectations bigly for week 7.  Cle D is very good vs qb.  They forced Brees, rivers, into modest games.  Only an that did anything of significance to them  Was Derek Carr.  Go figure.  But the other 5 QBs they have faced this year either had mediocre fantasy days or bad ones.  I think I will stream mayfield over him for the week. 

 
Who would you rather have Goff or Winston ROS?

Goff is QB8 so far. Hes had 2 great games, 3 okay, and 1 stinker. Winston had 1 stinker (half actually), and one great game against a terrible defense. I think both will be top 10 QBs, so I'm possibly splitting hairs here.

I have a thought on this, do anyone else?

 
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Who would you rather have Goff or Winston ROS?

Goff is QB8 so far. Hes had 2 great games, 3 okay, and 1 stinker. Winston had 1 stinker (half actually), and one great game against a terrible defense. I think both will be top 10 QBs, so I'm possibly splitting hairs here.

I have a thought on this, do anyone else?
Goff will get a steady 20 points every week but he isn't going to get in many shootouts.  He's finished in the top 12 QBs in only 2 of 6 weeks.

Winston has started 1 game and he was the top scoring QB.  The bucs have been in tons of shootouts.  4 of 5 games bucs QBs have thrown for over 390 yards.  He's already had his bye.  It will probably be a bumpy ride but everything is lined up for a top 5 performance ROS.

FF championships aren't won by playing it safe.

 
Finally. But unless the new guy is a magician I don’t see how it matters. The scheme is the scheme. 
We'll see.  Duffner just needs to be more aggressive. 

I've heard from posters on another board I frequent, who apparently have insider access to the agent of one of the players, that Smith had been approached by a well respected member of the defense about possibly making some changes and the player was told to go eff himself, basically.  For what it's worth.

 
I am tempering my expectations bigly for week 7.  Cle D is very good vs qb.  They forced Brees, rivers, into modest games.  Only an that did anything of significance to them  Was Derek Carr.  Go figure.  But the other 5 QBs they have faced this year either had mediocre fantasy days or bad ones.  I think I will stream mayfield over him for the week. 
See a lot of "experts" just lumping Winston in as a top 5 QB this week and not looking at this matchup. CLE no pushover against the pass.

Game is in TB though. Debating Winston or Dalton (who faces KC who can get torched). Still leaning Winston...don't believe we see the ground game again.

 
Rivers only threw the ball 20 times Chargers run game was doing what they wanted

Trees had a decent game 250 and 2 TDs

Who knows what happened in Oakland. West Coast/Long Road Trip?

they forced bad games from Big Ben, Darnold and Flacco 

 
Debating Winston vs. Luck. I feel like Luck is probably the safer play, but I figure I might as well keep betting on Winston's weapons until he gives me reason to doubt him.

 
I feel silly bidding so much on this guy, but I swear my league is lethargic this year and guys are a week behind pickups. Either that or people just don't understand how much a top 5 QB can help you....

Needless to say, I landed him this morning. I will likely sit for Goff, as Cleveland has a pretty good defense. Unless someone here can talk me out of that. 

 
I feel silly bidding so much on this guy, but I swear my league is lethargic this year and guys are a week behind pickups. Either that or people just don't understand how much a top 5 QB can help you....

Needless to say, I landed him this morning. I will likely sit for Goff, as Cleveland has a pretty good defense. Unless someone here can talk me out of that. 
Glad you acquired him as well 

I’m starting with confidence vs. bRowns despite a good defense 

they are very beatable and Tampa high power d offense should beat them

 
See a lot of "experts" just lumping Winston in as a top 5 QB this week and not looking at this matchup. CLE no pushover against the pass.

Game is in TB though. Debating Winston or Dalton (who faces KC who can get torched). Still leaning Winston...don't believe we see the ground game again.
Debating the same thing (2QB league -- other QB starting is Ryan).  Dalton against the KC D has very high upside, but so does Winston against anybody with those weapons and that defense...

 
Debating the same thing (2QB league -- other QB starting is Ryan).  Dalton against the KC D has very high upside, but so does Winston against anybody with those weapons and that defense...
CLE D takes a little bit of a step down on the road. 

As for Dalton, playing in KC may be a bit rougher. Also, I wonder if KC gets Houston back on the D line. While KC's D can't at all be considered good, I was surprised that Brady did have trouble with that secondary for most of the game. He hit on a couple big ones late (2 to Gronk, 1 to Hogan) that really helped the stats overall.

 
Debating the same thing (2QB league -- other QB starting is Ryan).  Dalton against the KC D has very high upside, but so does Winston against anybody with those weapons and that defense...
To be fair, the difference between #5 and #10 QB is probably 2 fantasy points. My dilemma is Goff or Winston, and FBG has them 0.15 points apart in MyFBG. You're probably splitting hairs

 
Debating Winston vs. Luck. I feel like Luck is probably the safer play, but I figure I might as well keep betting on Winston's weapons until he gives me reason to doubt him.
I have the same two. Sat Luck last week and although he was splendid, the decision won me the week, as I only won by 3 points (and Jameis outscored Andrew by 8).

Going with Winston again this week on the following premises.

Buffalo secondary is a bit better than Browns.

Indy is getting more from Mack so they may try to run more especially if they get the lead, which they should.

Tampa D is worse than Indy's so a shootout is a higher likelihood.

Tampa has a much better receiving corps than Indy's, which is literally duct-taped together right now. I am astonished Luck is still getting it done. 

 
I have the same two. Sat Luck last week and although he was splendid, the decision won me the week, as I only won by 3 points (and Jameis outscored Andrew by 8).

Going with Winston again this week on the following premises.

Buffalo secondary is a bit better than Browns.

Indy is getting more from Mack so they may try to run more especially if they get the lead, which they should.

Tampa D is worse than Indy's so a shootout is a higher likelihood.

Tampa has a much better receiving corps than Indy's, which is literally duct-taped together right now. I am astonished Luck is still getting it done. 
I think the weapons are a huge part of it. Luck will have Hilton back, but he'll have to face White, who's one of the top shutdown corners left.

 
I feel silly bidding so much on this guy, but I swear my league is lethargic this year and guys are a week behind pickups. Either that or people just don't understand how much a top 5 QB can help you....

Needless to say, I landed him this morning. I will likely sit for Goff, as Cleveland has a pretty good defense. Unless someone here can talk me out of that. 
I think Winston's game against Atl is misleading. Outside of week one, Atl has given up 3 passing TDs every week and over 330+yds except for the Pitt game where it was still 250. 

 
I think Winston's game against Atl is misleading. Outside of week one, Atl has given up 3 passing TDs every week and over 330+yds except for the Pitt game where it was still 250. 
This was one reason I almost didnt put a claim in for him. ATL is an outlier for almost everyone who has faced them, because their defense is terrible. 

I still think Winston is a high end QB1 this year. The weapons and lack of a sid defense means throw throw throw. 

 
I have the same two. Sat Luck last week and although he was splendid, the decision won me the week, as I only won by 3 points (and Jameis outscored Andrew by 8).

Going with Winston again this week on the following premises.

Buffalo secondary is a bit better than Browns.

Indy is getting more from Mack so they may try to run more especially if they get the lead, which they should.

Tampa D is worse than Indy's so a shootout is a higher likelihood.

Tampa has a much better receiving corps than Indy's, which is literally duct-taped together right now. I am astonished Luck is still getting it done. 
Starting Winston and Luck in 2QB (sitting Baker, Carr bye), but I have no idea how Luck is getting it done either.

 
I think the weapons are a huge part of it. Luck will have Hilton back, but he'll have to face White, who's one of the top shutdown corners left.
Yes, and Cleveland are 27th in the league in pressuring the QB, so Winston should have a good amount of time to throw, even if the CLE secondary is decent. Mind you, even with time he makes some incredibly bad reads at times.

 
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I have the same two. Sat Luck last week and although he was splendid, the decision won me the week, as I only won by 3 points (and Jameis outscored Andrew by 8).

Going with Winston again this week on the following premises.

Buffalo secondary is a bit better than Browns.

Indy is getting more from Mack so they may try to run more especially if they get the lead, which they should.

Tampa D is worse than Indy's so a shootout is a higher likelihood.

Tampa has a much better receiving corps than Indy's, which is literally duct-taped together right now. I am astonished Luck is still getting it done. 
How exactly is Luck "getting it done"? He's 1-5 and near the bottom of the league in passer rating. He's been passable in fantasy only because he's leading the league in pass attempts. Indianapolis has more than twice as many pass attempts as rushing attempts so far, despite the fact that the running game is working marginally better. 

 
How exactly is Luck "getting it done"? He's 1-5 and near the bottom of the league in passer rating. He's been passable in fantasy only because he's leading the league in pass attempts. Indianapolis has more than twice as many pass attempts as rushing attempts so far, despite the fact that the running game is working marginally better. 
...and in spite of all of that Luck is the 5th best QB in fantasy. Which is probably why he is "astonished Luck is getting it done"... for fantasy 

 
Yes, and Cleveland are 27th in the league in pressuring the QB, so Winston should have a good amount of time to throw, even if the CLE secondary is decent. Mind you, even with time he makes some incredibly bad reads at times.
Really? CLE doesn't sack the QB. Didn't know that.

Just was reading Winston as a "start of the week" on a rotoworld column while at the  same time the author referenced all kinds of good DVOA stats for the pass defense. This doesn't feel like a great spot. Current analysis seems to boil down to "Yeah, it's a lousy matchup but Winston passes a lot and the D sucks."

One of these days the matchup is going to matter. Hope it's not this week. 

 

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