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As someone who's not worth respecting I take quite a bit of insult.
Those mediocre qbs were trent dilfer types. Guys who game managed. Closest gunslinger I can think of who won a superbowl was Farve and Jamis will never be that good.
You know, I went through the numbers... Peyton threw a lot more picks then I thought. His first four years - at least stats wise - look a lot like Jamis. Problem with that comp is the difference in era.
There's four non-burrows rookies I like better in the draft, and a Bridgewater 2021 rookie combo also works.
Ok well it’s not going to happen. You don’t toss qbs putting these numbers aside in the hope it might get marginally better 3 years from now. That’s ridiculous.
Nobody's ever thrown for more than 450 yards in back to back games, let alone playoffs. In my league (6 point TD league, -2 for interceptions) he's got me 47 and 45 points the past two weeks. Huge.
No Evans. Probably no Godwin. No Scotty Miller. Line is in shambles.
Wrong, but thanks. He's a great leader. There's plenty to dislike about his past, but that's for other to decide. I'm not even discussing that here. He's too careless with the football. End of story. He's averaging a pick a game for his career. He's averaging 10 fumbles a season for his career. That's 26 INTs/fumbles per season. That's not acceptable at all. And spare me the it'll improve stuff. He's 5 full years in. He is who he is. Mechanics can change, even work ethic can change. Know what can't change? Mentality and a guy's natural instincts. Jameis just doesn't have them when it comes to ball security.
The franchise is 7-7 and somewhat good for the first time in years. They haven’t made the playoffs since 2007. You don’t kick the can down the road another 3 years. Try selling that to an owner trying to sell tickets. What you’re saying just isn’t realistic in the real world.
Mariota, Dak, and Winston, Dalton, Bridgewater, Tannehill, and somebody of note I'm forgetting all go into the pool, but those none of those guys should reset the market and it seems likely that the pitch will be exactly what you said about trying -- note that they'll try -- to tie the salary to the salary cap. I think Cousins is now the market and you negotiate around that guarantee.
I think we'll find out whether Arians thinks he can. So far, publicly and with no reason to do so, Arians has really backed the guy in some seemingly indefensible situations. I said upthread this may be a case of Arians's ego thinking he can fix anything (I don't know of any source indicating this is the case) or Arians really believes in the guy. Either way, Tampa has been an exciting team to watch under Koetter and then Arians/Leftwich the past two years.
I don't know why Cam would be your guy then? He hasn't been that much better in the turnover department (108 INTs and 55 fumbles in 124 games). He also isn't even in the same universe with Winston as a passer. Especially now, and if he can't run we've seen how worthless he is.
Easy call. Winston doesn’t have anyone left to throw to. Watson does - and he can run if needed. Tampa’s pass defense is abysmal.
I look at this as I'm starting Winston/Arians. The volume will be there. Expect a fire fight between TB and Houston.
I own Winston and would probably take Watson. Can’t run on the Bucs so Watson should burn them with Hopkins and Fuller. Jameis will chuck it but it will be harder without premium weapons. Still possible with Perriman, Watson, Howard and Brate but will have to be efficient. Both teams should throw a ton
I do, he won me my fantasy playoffs
Much higher upside
What sells more tickets than "first round rookie qb!" to a team that still isn't making the playoffs
Sounds like if he threw less picks you would overlook the Uber incident. First you’ve brought it up. Out of on the field or market arguments?
Whoa that came out of left field. Running out of argument already huh. Nobody is comparing the guy to Jesus.
Just saw a Kaepernick thread is all. Personally I'm a play ball kind of guy, just making a casual observance as to what is and is not okay when it comes to non-football conduct.
He’ll be a tough start with no Evans and no Godwin.
What's your take on the argument that it's his first year in Arians system and QBs like Palmer and Manning both had high turnovers in this system in the beginning.
I probably am starting him but I am looking at a few other options as well. It is either him or I could pick up Dalton @ Miami, Mustachio @ ATL or Trubisky Vs KC. So far i like Winston the best but that could change later this week.
First look at the fact that in both cases, said QBs (1, a rookie) were with their first year in a new organization. On top of learning the new system, there were also new locker room dynamics/culture being formed and new receivers to gel with. I would argue the performance would be sub-par regardless.
They actually say Jameis is always one of the first ones in the building at the Bucs training center.
It’s him or Brees. I know that sounds like a “no-brainer” for Brees but he’s on the road at Tennessee. Seems the Saints struggle on the road...
It's close. I think he has a bit of a down game, but still think that includes a good chunk of yards and 2-3 passing TD's. Coin flip on these two.
