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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (5 Viewers)

The Frankman said:
I hope that people look at Winston in redraft and think he sucks and will never learn so I can take him late. The last two QBs I've taken late have won the MVP (2018 Mahomes 11th in a 14-teamer, 2019 Lamar Jackson in the 6th). I'd love it if his ADP stays north of 120.
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If he stays with the Bucs, he should be a steal next year.

 
When asked if the organization would tag free agent QB Jameis Winston, coach Bruce Arians responded he'll know when "I know who else is available."

Arians eluded that teams really don't know who's going to hit the market "until the tags come out," leaving 2-3 days to make any final decisions. He then added he'll know on Winston's situation when the organization knows "who else is available" next week. "Can we win with Jameis? Hell yeah," Arians said. "But you have to see if there is a better option." All signs point to Tampa Bay bringing back stud EDGE Shaquil Barrett in free agency, but Winston's suitor is still clearly up in the air. The 26-year-old returning on a short-term deal remains a likely outcome.

SOURCE: Rick Stroud on Twitter

Feb 25, 2020, 11:28 AM ET
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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Jameis Winston had offseason surgery for a torn meniscus.

With Winston looking for a long-term deal, his camp is making sure to expose every ailment he played through in 2019 to show his toughness. Winston apparently couldn't see (eye surgery), couldn't move (meniscus surgery), and couldn't grip a football (broken thumb) as well as he should have last season. It makes his evaluation complicated because he was still productive, but the Bucs are on the fence with him as their 2020 starting quarterback given all of his turnovers. Expect the Bucs to explore the free agent and rookie quarterbacks over the next few weeks, but they may have to settle for each other if other options sour.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Feb 28, 2020, 2:53 PM ET
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Bucs reporters reported his meniscus was torn back in December so I don’t know why it’s news today. I’m not sure if he’s any good or not but he’s a tough SOB out there for sure. 

 
NBC Sports' Peter King reports Winston "is likely" to leave the Buccaneers in free agency. However, King was uncertain which team Winston will end up with and doubted he'll be a starter with a new team. Last season, the Florida State product led the NFL in passing yards (5,109) and was second in touchdowns (33) but also threw a league-wide 30 interceptions.
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This is a crazy market for quarterbacks. Wouldn't a lot of them benefit, given their age or contract situation, to stay where they are under systems they know? Jameis with Evans and Godwin is a fantasy dream. Hate to see it end. 

 
rockaction said:
This is a crazy market for quarterbacks. Wouldn't a lot of them benefit, given their age or contract situation, to stay where they are under systems they know? Jameis with Evans and Godwin is a fantasy dream. Hate to see it end. 
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I hope Brady or Rivers one ends up in TB if they are moving on from Winston. For all of us Evans/Godwin owners :) And think what it could mean for OJ Howard (Gronk/Gates role?) BRING IT ON

 
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He should be treated the same way as TE Austin Hooper. Go see what you can get in the open market and come back to us if you don't like it. 

 
rockaction said:
This is a crazy market for quarterbacks. Wouldn't a lot of them benefit, given their age or contract situation, to stay where they are under systems they know? Jameis with Evans and Godwin is a fantasy dream. Hate to see it end. 
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I had both Winston and Evans on my roster last year.  The interceptions were mind boggling, but knowing that he'd be throwing the ball all day long made them tolerable.  

 
lod001 said:
He should be treated the same way as TE Austin Hooper. Go see what you can get in the open market and come back to us if you don't like it. 
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I'm not sure it works that way very often. Pretty much if you don't reach an agreement before free agency you are going to play elsewhere. I would guess that most players would take offense to that approach and aren't going to talk with that former club anymore and just move on.

 
rockaction said:
This is a crazy market for quarterbacks. Wouldn't a lot of them benefit, given their age or contract situation, to stay where they are under systems they know? Jameis with Evans and Godwin is a fantasy dream. Hate to see it end. 
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I don’t think he gets to make that decision. Sounds like there are numerous guys the Bucs would prefer to have, unfortunately Bridgewater is one of them. 

 
Capella said:
I don’t think he gets to make that decision. Sounds like there are numerous guys the Bucs would prefer to have, unfortunately Bridgewater is one of them. 
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Bridgewater will be a Nick Foles level disaster.  If they're moving on I'd prefer they sign a mid-tier free agent like Mariota, an aging vet like Rivers, or trade for Dalton and then draft Love or Herbert with the 14th pick. 

 
I think it's crazy not to bring Winston back. Sure the interceptions are an issue, but sticking with him for a couple more years to see if he can learn better ball security seems like a better option than an old QB  or a mediocre QB. Sticking with Winston and drafting a rookie in case sounds like the best option. Then again, this is Tampa Bay we are talking about.

 
Warhogs said:
I think it's crazy not to bring Winston back. Sure the interceptions are an issue, but sticking with him for a couple more years to see if he can learn better ball security seems like a better option than an old QB  or a mediocre QB. Sticking with Winston and drafting a rookie in case sounds like the best option. Then again, this is Tampa Bay we are talking about.
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He's played the better part of 5 seasons, 70+ games. How much do you need to see? What's the thing that suddenly facilitates a change in his game?

 
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Which available QB do you like better? Brady and Rivers are at the very tail end of their careers. Bridgewater has never shown me he is more than average. Dalton if available has seemed like a decent game manager but I thought he was known for a weak arm?

I too doubt that Winston will change his colors and suddenly become someone who can take care of the football but I think of all the options he still has the highest upside long term. I would bring back Winston and draft a rookie and hope you get lucky and hit a good NFL QB.

 
Warhogs said:
Which available QB do you like better? Brady and Rivers are at the very tail end of their careers. Bridgewater has never shown me he is more than average. Dalton if available has seemed like a decent game manager but I thought he was known for a weak arm?

I too doubt that Winston will change his colors and suddenly become someone who can take care of the football but I think of all the options he still has the highest upside long term. I would bring back Winston and draft a rookie and hope you get lucky and hit a good NFL QB.
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The franchise tag and draft someone option makes sense but otherwise I would probably prefer someone with a bit less "upside" as opposed to wash, rinse, repeat with Winston.

 
Warhogs said:
Which available QB do you like better? Brady and Rivers are at the very tail end of their careers. Bridgewater has never shown me he is more than average. Dalton if available has seemed like a decent game manager but I thought he was known for a weak arm?

I too doubt that Winston will change his colors and suddenly become someone who can take care of the football but I think of all the options he still has the highest upside long term. I would bring back Winston and draft a rookie and hope you get lucky and hit a good NFL QB.
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The thing is, Tampa isn't that far off. They probably make the playoffs last year, if Winston doesn't cost them multiple games with some just awful decisions. Arians likely isn't going to be around 3+ years from now. The defense is good right now, the offense is great, with better QB play this is a playoff contender. Let us not forget Winston being outplayed by Ryan Fitzpatrick in 2018. 

Brady and Rivers are huge upgrades. I think Dalton would be slightly better. I could see cases for guys like Mariota, Foles, and even Alex Smith if he is cleared. If there is any fire to this Brady to the 49ers or Titans smoke, I'd rather have Tannehill or Jimmy G. I do 100% agree that Bridgewater would be a poor fit. 

Winston has put up big yards/TD's, but he's been an ideal environment, and hasn't shown any signs of improving his decision making in 5 years, its arguably regressed. I personally don't think he should be starting for anybody, and has lost the benefit of the doubt, as again, his conditions have been damn near ideal. 

 
Warhogs said:
Which available QB do you like better? Brady and Rivers are at the very tail end of their careers. Bridgewater has never shown me he is more than average. Dalton if available has seemed like a decent game manager but I thought he was known for a weak arm?

I too doubt that Winston will change his colors and suddenly become someone who can take care of the football but I think of all the options he still has the highest upside long term. I would bring back Winston and draft a rookie and hope you get lucky and hit a good NFL QB.
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How do you trust J Winston in the playoffs? He would throw the game losing INT and B Arians head would explode.
The last two games of 2019 he threw 3 TD's and 6 INT's. He is not going to improve on his decision making and that
is a QB you do not take into the playoffs. In 5 games T Bridgewater threw 9 TD's and 2 INT's and the Saints won all
of those games. Bridgewater may not be the best option but you would trust him over Winston. 

 
Bucs GM Jason Licht said he's waiting for "the dominoes to fall" before making a decision on free agent QB Jameis Winston.

The Bucs have made things clear with Winston; we'll keep you around if we can't find an upgrade. Even with Winston's turnover flaws, it's debatable if there are any upgrades on the free agent market, but the Bucs are certainly looking around and are likely leaning towards tagging DE Shaq Barrett instead of their potential franchise quarterback. The whole league, including Tampa Bay, seems to be waiting on the first domino to fall -- Tom Brady. If Brady leaves, expect chaos across quarterback depth charts.

SOURCE: ESPN.com

Mar 4, 2020, 10:24 AM ET
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Warhogs said:
I think it's crazy not to bring Winston back. Sure the interceptions are an issue, but sticking with him for a couple more years to see if he can learn better ball security seems like a better option than an old QB  or a mediocre QB. Sticking with Winston and drafting a rookie in case sounds like the best option. Then again, this is Tampa Bay we are talking about.
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It isn't crazy.  I've been a big proponent of his and said a lot of the same things.  "Give him time."  "He's only 26."

This team went 7-9 and he turned it over 35 times.  112 points off those turnovers.  A TD and an extra point per game.  How can any team overcome that?  I do think those mistakes will regress, but by how much?  He's always been a high turnover guy.  At some point you have to decide if you can win a Super Bowl with that kind of variance in performance.

I don't blame them for waiting to see what else may be available.  Especially if Jameis wants some monster contract.

 
Personally, I think it could go either way with Winston.  I think that BA laid it out there exactly as it is.  If they can bring in a veteran QB that is an upgrade they will or else they will get Winston at a discount and draft a QB later.  They will do whatever works best.  We will know in the next 14 days.  The Bucs are shopping for a better QB. 

IMHO I think they end up drafting lineman and signing Winston to a 1-year/1-year option contract that will pay WInston market value.  I will say that I believe that Winston's career arc depends on staying with BA.  And that if he is brought back, I think it will be in a prove it year knowing he is looking at another prove it year afterwards situation.    

 
Not sure if there is another QB that needs to stay more than this guy. Different system and surrounding cast could be awful from an FF point of view.

 
Grahamburn said:
It isn't crazy.  I've been a big proponent of his and said a lot of the same things.  "Give him time."  "He's only 26."

This team went 7-9 and he turned it over 35 times.  112 points off those turnovers.  A TD and an extra point per game.  How can any team overcome that?  I do think those mistakes will regress, but by how much?  He's always been a high turnover guy.  At some point you have to decide if you can win a Super Bowl with that kind of variance in performance.

I don't blame them for waiting to see what else may be available.  Especially if Jameis wants some monster contract.
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Every time I think about bringing him back I think of that pick he threw against ATL to end the season. He just didn’t give a #### that Brate was blanketed, he was firing it in there regardless. It’s not a talent issue with him, he just DGAF.  You can’t have a qb like this, especially if the rest of the team is good and doesn’t need to play catch-up. 

 
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Hairy Snowman said:
Personally, I think it could go either way with Winston.  I think that BA laid it out there exactly as it is.  If they can bring in a veteran QB that is an upgrade they will or else they will get Winston at a discount and draft a QB later.  They will do whatever works best.  We will know in the next 14 days.  The Bucs are shopping for a better QB. 

IMHO I think they end up drafting lineman and signing Winston to a 1-year/1-year option contract that will pay WInston market value.  I will say that I believe that Winston's career arc depends on staying with BA.  And that if he is brought back, I think it will be in a prove it year knowing he is looking at another prove it year afterwards situation.    
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This is obviously contingent on absolutely no one else being prepared to offer him more term than that. I guess that's possible but it only takes one team.

 
Capella said:
Every time I think about bringing him back I think of that pick he threw against ATL to end the season. He just didn’t give a #### that Brate was blanketed, he was firing it in there regardless. It’s not a talent issue with him, he just DGAF.  You can’t have a qb like this, especially if the rest of the team is good and doesn’t need to play catch-up. 
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The Week 16 Texans 2 straight Pick 6 to start and that last play of the year felt like it was destined to see his downside.  Although i still feel like our upside is limited with some journeyman.

 
Grahamburn said:
I don’t see another fit for him. At least not as a starter. 
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Vegas Raiders would be a possibility as I could see Gruden fixated on his talent and thinking "I can fix him". Not many other potential landing spots though, I agree. It's a shame because he has so much pure talent but he just can't learn not to force the ball into bad spots.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Vegas Raiders would be a possibility as I could see Gruden fixated on his talent and thinking "I can fix him". Not many other potential landing spots though, I agree. It's a shame because he has so much pure talent but he just can't learn not to force the ball into bad spots.
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Isn't Gruden's offense still predicated on the West Coast style?  Shorter crossing routes aren't really Jameis' strength.  The Chucky staredown after every INT would be fun to watch though. 

 
Leroy Hoard said:
Not sure if there is another QB that needs to stay more than this guy. Different system and surrounding cast could be awful from an FF point of view.
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Grahamburn said:
I don’t see another fit for him. At least not as a starter. 
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He could backup Baker.  Or maybe a bridge to tua if he's not ready week 1.

But I'd agree, if he left Tampa he's not starting unless for a rookie or injury.

 
-OZ- said:
Leroy Hoard said:
Not sure if there is another QB that needs to stay more than this guy. Different system and surrounding cast could be awful from an FF point of view.
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But I'd agree, if he left Tampa he's not starting unless for a rookie or injury.
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I think there are other places he could start.

But to Leroy's point about FF value. Let me put it this way. I don't normally carry two QB's in FFPC leagues unless it's a stud. Last year he was a fantasy stud so as of now I'm planning to carry him as my second QB. If Tampa moves on from him I will just cut him and move on as well  because while I think he can start I don't see another team were he'd not have a tremendous blow to his fantasy value. What Leroy said about not sure if there is another QB that needs to stay more then him is one I could not agree with more, his whole fantasy value rests on it.

 
He hits the free Agent Market. Put your $ where your mouth is Gruden and sign him. Man, the looks Gruden will pump out on pick-6s would be worth the price of admission.

 
NFL Network's Mike Garafolo reports: "Buccaneers and Jameis Winston have had communications as well."

The Buccaneers are reportedly laying it all on the line for Tom Brady, but it appears they aren't giving up on Winston just yet. Previously, GM Jason Licht said he's waiting for "the dominoes to fall" before making a decision on Winston's future. The first 30/30 TD/INT QB in NFL history obviously carries plenty of on-field baggage in the form of turnovers, although Winston has demonstrated a lofty ceiling from time to time and is just 26 years old.

SOURCE: Rick Stroud on Twitter

Mar 16, 2020, 4:45 PM ET
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Casting Couch said:
What's to become of Jameis Winston. Does New England kick the tires ?
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Would be great theater and an awesome test of was it Bill or as it Brady. Hard to see.

At this point his absolute best bet seems to be able to come into a situation like WAS, LAC, CHI and compete. But I think CHI would rather have Foles or Dalton for the right price, LAC would rather draft a QB and WAS would rather obtain Cam for the right price. At this point I'm not optimistic he's even going to go to a place he has legit option to compete for a starting job even though I think he deserves at least a shot like that.

Anyone remember a QB who played more then half a season and was a top 5 fantasy QB who was out of a job the next year? He was #2 in total points and #3 in PPG weeks 1-16 in most of my leagues. What a tremendous blow to some fantasy teams if he was your only viable QB. Fantasy speaking, I think he just went poof.

 
Still young and talented, just a bit of a knucklehead. He'll get a contract but it's not going to be anywhere close to what he though he'd get.

Right now teams are filing their needs fast and he's running out of dance partners with capable QBs still left in FA.

 
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