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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (5 Viewers)

zftcg said:
As a Bucs homer, how nervous did the Carolina game make you? Not so much for the performance as for Dirk going so conservative and not trusting Jameis to make a play. I mean, 30 carries for Jacquizz Freakin' Rodgers?
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Defensive line was missing 4 of its top 5 players and only dressed 5 guys. They had a linebacker with his hand in the dirt multiple times. Think running it had more to do with their preservation than anything else. 

 
zftcg said:
As a Bucs homer, how nervous did the Carolina game make you? Not so much for the performance as for Dirk going so conservative and not trusting Jameis to make a play. I mean, 30 carries for Jacquizz Freakin' Rodgers?
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As Capella said, I think it was more due to how thin we were along the defensive line. Koetter wanted to control the clock and make sure the defense was rested. Most of the d-line is expected to be back this week, so I wouldn't be too worried about that going forward. I believe Winston had the most passing attempts going into the Carolina game, I definitely expect him to be passing a lot the rest of the year with this defense.

 
Ok, after further review I admit I whiffed in dropping Jameis. Luckily I was able to pick him back up for free. Dropped Bortles instead as he has a devastating schedule ahead.

 
I'm starting him with utmost confidence he will play well,given the situation that Ben is my main man and best name on the wire is Goff. :banned:

 
Why is anyone cutting Winston? He will get better not worse in my opinion. Just as good as Dak and Mariota in season long. They may have good weeks and bad, but same fantasy production.

 
I was able to drop him Sunday morning to pick up Smith and then pick Winston back up that night.  Didn't really go that well since Smith sucked and it cost me $6.

 
Grahamburn said:
I still think they're going to try to pound the air out of the ball with the running game. 
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Maybe. It would still make sense this week. Plus, he always comes out too hyped for games - I think a plan to be overly reliant on the run has to do as well with getting him grounded and into the flow of things. He needs to calm down. 

 
He had a pretty brutal schedule to open the season, blew up twice and only one real catastrophe. If you survived with him this long, I think it should be all up from here. Coaching staff pulling back the reigns is the biggest concern, but the defense stinks and they play in the NFC South, which may be the biggest scoring carnival division in the NFL. He's my second QB in a 2-QB league, and I feel pretty good about him ROS. Sneaky top-10 upside, although there are certainly risks.

 
Rubi said:
I'm starting him with utmost confidence he will play well,given the situation that Ben is my main man and best name on the wire is Goff. :banned:
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same boat except with the likes of ASmith, Hoyer, Siemian on the WW.  I like Winston's schedule, but ASmith's is not too bad either...at least while Big Ben is out.  IMO, more upside with Winston, so rolling with him (thankfully we don't get penalized for INTs ;)  )

 
Capella said:
Defensive line was missing 4 of its top 5 players and only dressed 5 guys. They had a linebacker with his hand in the dirt multiple times. Think running it had more to do with their preservation than anything else. 
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Thanks, that's helpful. I missed the beginning of the game, but what worried me was the 4th quarter drive where Jameis threw a horrible pass on second and long that should have been picked off, and then they ran a draw to Quizz on 3rd and long and played conservative on the final drive as well.

I agree that dropping him is silly, but what I would say is keep an eye out for guys emerging later in the season. If this year's Cousins emerges, don't miss out because you assume you're set with Winston.

 
need2know said:
SurpriseD mariota is there in a 16.  Both my 12 teams he's rostered
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Yeah, it's weird, especially because it's a pretty sharky league (to cite one example, Howard was picked up a week before the Langford injury).

I realize this may not be helpful to many people, but if you can pair Winston and Mariota it actually works out pretty well (fitting given their draft history). MM has a cake schedule for the next few weeks, including in Jameis two toughest match-ups in Weeks 11-12. But from Weeks 13-15 he has a bye followed by KC and Denver (before finishing with Jax), so you can potentially drop him and shore up the rest of your team for the stretch run while Winston feasts on NO twice.

 
Still not sure what I'm doing between Tyrod and Winston. Leaning Taylor because he has the upside with the rushing yards and Miami just lost Reshad Jones for the year.  Just worried Winston won't need to throw too much this week.

 
Bucsfan5493 said:
Still not sure what I'm doing between Tyrod and Winston. Leaning Taylor because he has the upside with the rushing yards and Miami just lost Reshad Jones for the year.  Just worried Winston won't need to throw too much this week.
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Same with me.  But smith is in the same kind of situation as jameis.  But hes at home vs a better opponent, although no sucks on the road.  But I think kc may actually need to throw vs no.  Also the higher total points over sf/tb

 
need2know said:
Same with me.  But smith is in the same kind of situation as jameis.  But hes at home vs a better opponent, although no sucks on the road.  But I think kc may actually need to throw vs no.  Also the higher total points over sf/tb
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Yea, Smith worries me for the same reason Jameis does. Brees seems to almost always struggle on the road and the Saints D is terrible so I could see the Chiefs running the ball a ton in the 2nd half.

 
Bucsfan5493 said:
Yea, Smith worries me for the same reason Jameis does. Brees seems to almost always struggle on the road and the Saints D is terrible so I could see the Chiefs running the ball a ton in the 2nd half.
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I think just being at home might give smith a slight edge this week.  I also am a favorite in my matchup so I don't need much from smith.  200 yards and 1 or 2 TDs would be great.  I get negatives for turnovers so jameis kinda scares me there too on the road

 
need2know said:
I think just being at home might give smith a slight edge this week.  I also am a favorite in my matchup so I don't need much from smith.  200 yards and 1 or 2 TDs would be great.  I get negatives for turnovers so jameis kinda scares me there too on the road
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If you don't need much from your QB and want to go with the safer option, you've gotta go with Smith. He's home, facing an awful defense and doesn't turn the ball over. Winston is definitely more of a play if you need the upside. 

 
Chiefs RBs will get 5 TDs this week. Smith is a must bench. They will not sling the ball all over and let Brees on the field. Kill the clock mode.

 
Starting Mariota over him this week. I like Jameis' match-up, and wouldn't have any problem starting him if I didn't have better options, but the prospect that Koetter may have lost some confidence in him, and may get more conservative as a result, makes me the tiniest bit nervous. So I'll be happy even if he blows up on my bench, because at least then I'll feel reassured about what I have going forward.

 
zftcg said:
Starting Mariota over him this week. I like Jameis' match-up, and wouldn't have any problem starting him if I didn't have better options, but the prospect that Koetter may have lost some confidence in him, and may get more conservative as a result, makes me the tiniest bit nervous. So I'll be happy even if he blows up on my bench, because at least then I'll feel reassured about what I have going forward.
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Winston or smith bro?

 
zftcg said:
My main thought is that if you had told me before the draft that TB would be trotting out Quizz and Shorts in the starting lineup by Week 7 I never would have drafted Winston.
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Yeah they should not be starters, maybe not even depth roster guys.  Its kinda scary

 
Performance today definitely a good sign.  Sf is a bad defense and he did exactly what he is supposed to do to them.  

 
Big time throws yesterday. It was nice to see Russell Shephard make some plays for Winston. This guy needs more weapons. 

Pretty impressive considering the skill positions are decimated outside of Evans. 

 
Grahamburn said:
Big time throws yesterday. It was nice to see Russell Shephard make some plays for Winston. This guy needs more weapons. 

Pretty impressive considering the skill positions are decimated outside of Evans. 
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Yes I might pick shepard up before he has another good game vs oak

 
Grahamburn said:
Big time throws yesterday. It was nice to see Russell Shephard make some plays for Winston. This guy needs more weapons. 

Pretty impressive considering the skill positions are decimated outside of Evans. 
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Very good point. It was great to see someone step up and do something other than Evans. Sheppard made some pretty difficult catches and looked great yesterday. Let's hope he can keep this up and become a reliable weapon for Jameis.

 
V-Jax looked like garbage all season and even for most of last year. Sheppard looked like a huge upgrade on Sunday, but it was only 1 game and against the 49ers so we'll see if he can keep it up.

 
Bill Simmons frequently talks about a "good/bad" team. That's the one that beats up on the teams it should beat up on, but will rarely surprise you with an upset of one of the league's top powers. I think Jameis is clearly this year's good/bad QB. He'll put up great stats against the likes of Atlanta, LA, and SF, but if his match-up is a tough one (Denver, AZ) he'll underperform. (The Carolina game doesn't really fit that narrative; he was OK, but mostly reined in by Koetter's conservative play calling).

So while it's disappointing that he hasn't made the leap some of us were expecting, it's helpful to know this pattern, especially since he has a pretty cake schedule ROS, other than KC and Seattle in Weeks 11-12. My plan is to find a replacement for those two weeks and start him with confidence the rest of the time, especially during the playoffs.

 
zftcg said:
Bill Simmons frequently talks about a "good/bad" team. That's the one that beats up on the teams it should beat up on, but will rarely surprise you with an upset of one of the league's top powers. I think Jameis is clearly this year's good/bad QB. He'll put up great stats against the likes of Atlanta, LA, and SF, but if his match-up is a tough one (Denver, AZ) he'll underperform. (The Carolina game doesn't really fit that narrative; he was OK, but mostly reined in by Koetter's conservative play calling).

So while it's disappointing that he hasn't made the leap some of us were expecting, it's helpful to know this pattern, especially since he has a pretty cake schedule ROS, other than KC and Seattle in Weeks 11-12. My plan is to find a replacement for those two weeks and start him with confidence the rest of the time, especially during the playoffs.
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This week vs oak might be one of his better games too

 
zftcg said:
Bill Simmons frequently talks about a "good/bad" team. That's the one that beats up on the teams it should beat up on, but will rarely surprise you with an upset of one of the league's top powers. I think Jameis is clearly this year's good/bad QB. He'll put up great stats against the likes of Atlanta, LA, and SF, but if his match-up is a tough one (Denver, AZ) he'll underperform. (The Carolina game doesn't really fit that narrative; he was OK, but mostly reined in by Koetter's conservative play calling).

So while it's disappointing that he hasn't made the leap some of us were expecting, it's helpful to know this pattern, especially since he has a pretty cake schedule ROS, other than KC and Seattle in Weeks 11-12. My plan is to find a replacement for those two weeks and start him with confidence the rest of the time, especially during the playoffs.
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I fully agree with this.  I think he has a chance to finish as a top 8 qb rest of the way based on his upcoming matchups.  I see a lot of shootouts on the horizon.  Game scripts where Koetter will have no choice but to unleash him and let him throw to get back in the game or to simply keep going toe to toe with better offenses.  .  

 
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