QB Jameis Winston, NYG (3 Viewers)

[Capella]

So this is going to be the way of the future, top picks not going to the draft

Hope so. They should be getting paid for it, nfl makes a fortune off this.

 

[SayWhat?]

So this is going to be the way of the future, top picks not going to the draft

Hope so. They should be getting paid for it, nfl makes a fortune off this.

True about the NFL making out nicely, though I just don't think whether Winston is in attendance moves that needle at all.

 

[jurb26]

So this is going to be the way of the future, top picks not going to the draft

Hope so. They should be getting paid for it, nfl makes a fortune off this.

Agreed,may them. The NFL will will probably do the opposite, though. They will make it mandatory and fine them if they don't show.

 

[Capella]

So this is going to be the way of the future, top picks not going to the draft

Hope so. They should be getting paid for it, nfl makes a fortune off this.

True about the NFL making out nicely, though I just don't think whether Winston is in attendance moves that needle at all.

Win-win then that he doesn't go.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

So this is going to be the way of the future, top picks not going to the draft

Hope so. They should be getting paid for it, nfl makes a fortune off this.

ummm....I think they do get paid from the nfl

 

[Freelove]

So this is going to be the way of the future, top picks not going to the draft

Hope so. They should be getting paid for it, nfl makes a fortune off this.

ummm....I think they do get paid from the nfl

"For it."

Language is your friend.

Wal-Mart doesn't pay you for sleeping at night, even though they still pay you.

 

[msommer]

It's mind-boggling to me but at least Bucs fans are getting what they want. It will be a fun ride watching you guys turn on him.

Nobody cares that much but you and a few others who have continually done nothing but try and tear Winston down. Most everyone realizes that at the end of the day these guys are prospects and some will hit and others will miss. It's about constructive debate and information sharing. It's only mind boggling to you because you can't be objective about Winston.

In the interest of completeness cstu has also devoted much effort to talking Mariota up

 

[cstu]

It's mind-boggling to me but at least Bucs fans are getting what they want. It will be a fun ride watching you guys turn on him.

Nobody cares that much but you and a few others who have continually done nothing but try and tear Winston down. Most everyone realizes that at the end of the day these guys are prospects and some will hit and others will miss. It's about constructive debate and information sharing. It's only mind boggling to you because you can't be objective about Winston.

In the interest of completeness cstu has also devoted much effort to talking Mariota up

I do like Mariota better, but he could easily flop in the NFL as well. However, he has a ton of strengths and I believe he can be coached to learn the things he doesn't know yet. Seems obvious to me that he's a better gamble than Winston.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

It's mind-boggling to me but at least Bucs fans are getting what they want. It will be a fun ride watching you guys turn on him.

Nobody cares that much but you and a few others who have continually done nothing but try and tear Winston down. Most everyone realizes that at the end of the day these guys are prospects and some will hit and others will miss. It's about constructive debate and information sharing. It's only mind boggling to you because you can't be objective about Winston.

In the interest of completeness cstu has also devoted much effort to talking Mariota up

I do like Mariota better, but he could easily flop in the NFL as well. However, he has a ton of strengths and I believe he can be coached to learn the things he doesn't know yet. Seems obvious to me that he's a better gamble than Winston.

Agreed. Far more upside than Winston. Add to that Mariota won't be spending time in jail anytime soon. I'm surprised folks are so desperate to believe Winston will become a responsible human being once he gets a fat contract and has an even bigger spotlight bearing down on him. Such foolishness to think he actually will be able to stay out of trouble.

 

[cstu]

Winston expected to face second rape accusation.

"Jameis Winston is going to be subject to a civil lawsuit going forward," Jason Cole said. "Currently, the alleged [first] victim has already filed a lawsuit against Florida State, is expected to include Jameis Winston either as part of that lawsuit, or as part of a separate civil lawsuit somewhere down the line.

"And finally, there's a second woman who claims to have had an encounter with Jameis Winston in 2013. There's some expectation out there among multiple sources that she may come forward as part of that civli suit, and either file her own civil action, or at least testify on behalf of the first alleged victim."

 

[werdnoynek]

Crying Rape: False rape accusations exist, and they are a serious problem.

Our focus on getting justice for women who are sexually assaulted is necessary and right. We are still far from the day when every woman who makes a rape accusation gets a proper police investigation and a fair hearing. But seeking justice for female victims should make us more sensitive, not less, to justice for unfairly accused men. In practical terms, that means finding ways to show support for victims of sexual violence without equating accusation and guilt, and recognizing that the wrongly accused are real victims too. It means not assuming that only a conviction is a fair outcome for an alleged sex crime. It means, finally, rejecting laws and policies rooted in the assumption that wrongful accusations are so vanishingly rare they needn’t be a cause for concern. To put it simply, we need to stop presuming guilt.

The director of "The Hunting Ground" has been quoted here: http://www.southbendtribune.com/entertainment/inthebend/entertainmentnews/hunting-ground-tackles-campus-rapes/article_34bc4bf4-6fba-5345-8a78-56db1a2ce436.html saying that 19 out of 20 rape accusations are true, which is a completely unfounded statistic. The guy just seems to be pulling numbers out of thin air there and to me makes me really question his credibility.

I really dislike turning this into a rape discussion and I apologize in advance, but with the smear campaign going on, I think it's relevant here and something to consider both sides...

Other rape accusation articles:

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-19/how-many-rape-reports-are-false

http://www.cotwa.info/2013/01/the-enliven-projects-truth-about-false.html

No, this doesn't make Winston innocent, but an accusation doesn't make him guilty either.

Here is a great article on the story/narrative vs facts... and how many of us look toward the narrative / story itself vs the facts of the situation - in light of the Rolling Stone U-VA story - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/06/from-u-va-to-ferguson-where-truth-and-justice-diverge.html

 

[B-Deep]

sorry if this is a honda, but this is an interesting article

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2419644-teams-spying-on-nfl-draft-prospects-should-surprise-absolutely-no-one

 

[werdnoynek]

sorry if this is a honda, but this is an interesting article

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2419644-teams-spying-on-nfl-draft-prospects-should-surprise-absolutely-no-one

Definitely interesting how much teams get into policing their players and even that isn't enough in some cases!

That swan picture of Johnny 8ball is amazing.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

sorry if this is a honda, but this is an interesting article

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2419644-teams-spying-on-nfl-draft-prospects-should-surprise-absolutely-no-one

We found out there was a bar called the Cricket Inn, or the Cricket, which was a popular bar there at Oklahoma State. And so [the scout] would sit there for a week. He sat there for one week, went in every day at 3 o'clock every day and stayed till 11 o'clock at night.
That was his job. And we checked: How many times did Justin Blackmon come in? And he came in too many times. And we took him off our board.

lolz

 

[Grahamburn]

Russ Lande thinks he'll be a bust.

Because he will be a bust. He screams bust but these so called analysts are afraid to come out and say it. Of course, no one ever gets fired for being wrong about a franchise QB except the guy who actually listened to these so-called analysts and picked the bum.

You're laying it on pretty thick.

 

[dhockster]

Russ Lande thinks he'll be a bust.

Because he will be a bust. He screams bust but these so called analysts are afraid to come out and say it. Of course, no one ever gets fired for being wrong about a franchise QB except the guy who actually listened to these so-called analysts and picked the bum.

Just so we have it on record, what are your three main reasons you think Jameis Winston will be a bust?I don't care if he is or he isn't, I just don't want you saying you were right if the reasons he busts are not the reasons you thought would cause him to be a bust. If your reasons are correct, you deserve full credit.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Russ Lande thinks he'll be a bust.

Because he will be a bust. He screams bust but these so called analysts are afraid to come out and say it. Of course, no one ever gets fired for being wrong about a franchise QB except the guy who actually listened to these so-called analysts and picked the bum.

Just so we have it on record, what are your three main reasons you think Jameis Winston will be a bust?I don't care if he is or he isn't, I just don't want you saying you were right if the reasons he busts are not the reasons you thought would cause him to be a bust. If your reasons are correct, you deserve full credit.

I don't know his reasons, but here are mine:1. Reckless decision-making, not enough other skill sets physically to compensate.

2. Personality that he is above all others. Will not work hard enough to grow, will alienate teammates, and stay mired in same bad habits.

3. His pro readiness is a fantasy, just like many Jumbo Fisher products (e.g., Jamarcus, Ponder,EJM,etc.)

4. As one who keeps coming dangerously close to legal problems ranging from stupid/childish to severe/psychopathic, his risk for losing time with team is greater than i would invest in #1 overall, especially when there aren't enough positives to outweigh the risks.

 

[dhockster]

Russ Lande thinks he'll be a bust.

Because he will be a bust. He screams bust but these so called analysts are afraid to come out and say it. Of course, no one ever gets fired for being wrong about a franchise QB except the guy who actually listened to these so-called analysts and picked the bum.

Just so we have it on record, what are your three main reasons you think Jameis Winston will be a bust?I don't care if he is or he isn't, I just don't want you saying you were right if the reasons he busts are not the reasons you thought would cause him to be a bust. If your reasons are correct, you deserve full credit.

I don't know his reasons, but here are mine:1. Reckless decision-making, not enough other skill sets physically to compensate.

2. Personality that he is above all others. Will not work hard enough to grow, will alienate teammates, and stay mired in same bad habits.

3. His pro readiness is a fantasy, just like many Jumbo Fisher products (e.g., Jamarcus, Ponder,EJM,etc.)

4. As one who keeps coming dangerously close to legal problems ranging from stupid/childish to severe/psychopathic, his risk for losing time with team is greater than i would invest in #1 overall, especially when there aren't enough positives to outweigh the risks.

I appreciate your input. Thanks.

 

[cstu]

Russ Lande thinks he'll be a bust.

Because he will be a bust. He screams bust but these so called analysts are afraid to come out and say it. Of course, no one ever gets fired for being wrong about a franchise QB except the guy who actually listened to these so-called analysts and picked the bum.

Just so we have it on record, what are your three main reasons you think Jameis Winston will be a bust?I don't care if he is or he isn't, I just don't want you saying you were right if the reasons he busts are not the reasons you thought would cause him to be a bust. If your reasons are correct, you deserve full credit.

I don't know his reasons, but here are mine:1. Reckless decision-making, not enough other skill sets physically to compensate.

2. Personality that he is above all others. Will not work hard enough to grow, will alienate teammates, and stay mired in same bad habits.

3. His pro readiness is a fantasy, just like many Jumbo Fisher products (e.g., Jamarcus, Ponder,EJM,etc.)

4. As one who keeps coming dangerously close to legal problems ranging from stupid/childish to severe/psychopathic, his risk for losing time with team is greater than i would invest in #1 overall, especially when there aren't enough positives to outweigh the risks.

1. Agree. Scouting now love his willingness to throw the ball but his coach won't in the NFL when he's making stupid decisions every week.

2. His leadership style may work for a bunch of 18-22 year olds but he's going to be leading grown men and this kind of pep speech isn't going to work. His personality (aka 'charisma') is going to alienate the locker room, similar to what has happened to Robert Griffin.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/03/03/cowherd-jameis-winston-robert-griffin-iii-johnny-manziel-have-no-self-awareness/

3. Actually think he's got the talent to success - throwing ability and mental understanding of the game is there. I don't criticize his actual ability to succeed.

4. My personal read on him is that he's a borderline sociopath. Rewarding him with $20M is going to make him think he's untouchable.

Adding mine:

5. I don't think he's an extremely hard worker. He was 252 during 2013 bowl game, went up to 266 after he hurt his ankle last year before getting in shape for the combine. I don't trust how he will react to getting $20M handed to him - he's loves playing football and all of the attention he gets from it but I don't know that he loves preparing for it.

 

[lod01]

Russ Lande thinks he'll be a bust.

Because he will be a bust. He screams bust but these so called analysts are afraid to come out and say it. Of course, no one ever gets fired for being wrong about a franchise QB except the guy who actually listened to these so-called analysts and picked the bum.

Just so we have it on record, what are your three main reasons you think Jameis Winston will be a bust?I don't care if he is or he isn't, I just don't want you saying you were right if the reasons he busts are not the reasons you thought would cause him to be a bust. If your reasons are correct, you deserve full credit.

I don't know his reasons, but here are mine:1. Reckless decision-making, not enough other skill sets physically to compensate.

2. Personality that he is above all others. Will not work hard enough to grow, will alienate teammates, and stay mired in same bad habits.

3. His pro readiness is a fantasy, just like many Jumbo Fisher products (e.g., Jamarcus, Ponder,EJM,etc.)

4. As one who keeps coming dangerously close to legal problems ranging from stupid/childish to severe/psychopathic, his risk for losing time with team is greater than i would invest in #1 overall, especially when there aren't enough positives to outweigh the risks.

1. Agree. Scouting now love his willingness to throw the ball but his coach won't in the NFL when he's making stupid decisions every week.

2. His leadership style may work for a bunch of 18-22 year olds but he's going to be leading grown men and this kind of pep speech isn't going to work. His personality (aka 'charisma') is going to alienate the locker room, similar to what has happened to Robert Griffin.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/03/03/cowherd-jameis-winston-robert-griffin-iii-johnny-manziel-have-no-self-awareness/

3. Actually think he's got the talent to success - throwing ability and mental understanding of the game is there. I don't criticize his actual ability to succeed.

4. My personal read on him is that he's a borderline sociopath. Rewarding him with $20M is going to make him think he's untouchable.

Adding mine:

5. I don't think he's an extremely hard worker. He was 252 during 2013 bowl game, went up to 266 after he hurt his ankle last year before getting in shape for the combine. I don't trust how he will react to getting $20M handed to him - he's loves playing football and all of the attention he gets from it but I don't know that he loves preparing for it.

These are all in my ballpark for reasons. This #5 is for sure. This guy will be like so many who do not understand that this is a job. It's not a 3 month, play a game a week, practice a couple days, take off and do nothing from January to July deal. Your great players are training right now without the team. That's why a guy like Bridgewater will succeed barring injuries. he's working with not only his WR but also Brandon Marshall who is a fountain of knowledge.

 

[Faust]

Jameis Winston to work out for Buccaneers

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I don't really see the point of scouts following him on a plane.

if they want to observe him in his natural habitat they should be staking out deserted poorly lit parking lots, or the local bush

 

[Capella]

I don't really see the point of scouts following him on a plane.

if they want to observe him in his natural habitat they should be staking out deserted poorly lit parking lots, or the local bush

Killer material there, Jay

 

[davearm]

It's very important with a rape allegation to be kind of, maybe, sorta consistent.

I'd be curious to hear what you think happened that night in Winston's apt.

Does your gut instinct tell you the sex was consensual?

 

[Capella]

It's very important with a rape allegation to be kind of, maybe, sorta consistent.

I'd be curious to hear what you think happened that night in Winston's apt.

Does your gut instinct tell you the sex was consensual?

I literally have no idea. Nor do you or anybody else not named Jameis or Erika. That's what makes this all particularly galling.

 

[werdnoynek]

It's very important with a rape allegation to be kind of, maybe, sorta consistent.

I'd be curious to hear what you think happened that night in Winston's apt.

Does your gut instinct tell you the sex was consensual?

What does someone's gut feeling do for this situation? Maybe it was consensual, maybe it wasn't.

What we do know is that there wasn't enough evidence for criminal charges. He clearly put himself in a horrible situation but speculating on what actually happened seems like a fruitless pursuit.

 

[davearm]

It's very important with a rape allegation to be kind of, maybe, sorta consistent.

I'd be curious to hear what you think happened that night in Winston's apt.

Does your gut instinct tell you the sex was consensual?

What does someone's gut feeling do for this situation? Maybe it was consensual, maybe it wasn't.

What we do know is that there wasn't enough evidence for criminal charges. He clearly put himself in a horrible situation but speculating on what actually happened seems like a fruitless pursuit.

I ask because that's pretty much exactly the position NFL teams are in.

 

[Capella]

NFL teams have a bunch of highly trained investigators combing through his personal life. Not mouth breathers like Lod or Cstu who just parrot each other left and right.

My main problem with the rape charge (I've read most of the released documents, and I went to one of those law talkin' schools) is that the rape kit is inconclusive at best, her story has changed (multiple times) and she still claims she was drugged despite evidence to the contrary.

I personally do not think he raped her, but sure it could've happened I guess. I wasn't there. But the evidence doesn't speak to it.

 

[Grahamburn]

I'll say this:

If we had visual evidence of what happened that night he might not even get drafted. I parallel it to the Ray Rice domestic violence issue. When it was just an allegation he got two games. When that video came out though?! Actually seeing what took place changes everything.

It's almost like you can just put it out of your mind. We can say, "well, there's not enough evidence to charge him, and in this country that's enough to presume innocence."

It's easy for the side wanting to draft him to say "we'll never know for sure." You feel compassion for the victim, what she's gone through, but there are so many maybes.

 

[Capella]

I'll say this:

If we had visual evidence of what happened that night he might not even get drafted. I parallel it to the Ray Rice domestic violence issue. When it was just an allegation he got two games. When that video came out though?! Actually seeing what took place changes everything.

It's almost like you can just put it out of your mind. We can say, "well, there's not enough evidence to charge him, and in this country that's enough to presume innocence."

It's easy for the side wanting to draft him to say "we'll never know for sure." You feel compassion for the victim, what she's gone through, but there are so many maybes.

Not the same thing at all. We knew Ray Rice hit his girl already. We don't know what happened with Jameis.

 

[davearm]

NFL teams have a bunch of highly trained investigators combing through his personal life. Not mouth breathers like Lod or Cstu who just parrot each other left and right.

My main problem with the rape charge (I've read most of the released documents, and I went to one of those law talkin' schools) is that the rape kit is inconclusive at best, her story has changed (multiple times) and she still claims she was drugged despite evidence to the contrary.

I personally do not think he raped her, but sure it could've happened I guess. I wasn't there. But the evidence doesn't speak to it.

It's clear the evidence doesn't rise to the level necessary for a conviction. That's why the DA didn't even pursue charges.

If I want to believe the sex was consensual, then I'd want to have much better answers to these questions:

* Why was the alleged victim basically immediately behaving in a manner consistent with having been raped? Within minutes after arriving back at her dorm, and in the middle of the night, she was making phone calls, drawing in friends, going to the ER to be examined, interviewing with investigators, etc. Her response was pretty immediate and unambiguous.

* Given that the alleged victim didn't even know Winston's identity, and considering Winston was a nobody at that point anyway, what motive would she have for falsely accusing him?

* If the sex was consensual, then why was Winston attempting to conceal his identity, shield his face, push her head to the side etc. during the act itself? Who does that with a willing partner?

* If the sex was consensual, then why was Winston in such a hurry to get her out of his apt?

 

[Capella]

1. There is a difference between being raped and having an uncomfortable sexual encounter with a stranger. Maybe she fell into #2? I don't really know.

2. I think she had an encounter she wasn't really comfortable with. Doesn't necessarily rise to rape. Again, just spitballing here. None of us know.

3. I've never heard of that happening at any point.

4. Have you never had a one-night stand? I'm not exactly a famous college player, but when you #### what you consider a hoe, she's not staying for breakfast. I've sent girls home before.

 

[lod01]

NFL teams have a bunch of highly trained investigators combing through his personal life. Not mouth breathers like Lod or Cstu who just parrot each other left and right.

My main problem with the rape charge (I've read most of the released documents, and I went to one of those law talkin' schools) is that the rape kit is inconclusive at best, her story has changed (multiple times) and she still claims she was drugged despite evidence to the contrary.

I personally do not think he raped her, but sure it could've happened I guess. I wasn't there. But the evidence doesn't speak to it.

The only mouthbreathing fool on this thread is you.

 

[cstu]

1. There is a difference between being raped and having an uncomfortable sexual encounter with a stranger. Maybe she fell into #2? I don't really know.

2. I think she had an encounter she wasn't really comfortable with. Doesn't necessarily rise to rape. Again, just spitballing here. None of us know.

3. I've never heard of that happening at any point.

4. Have you never had a one-night stand? I'm not exactly a famous college player, but when you #### what you consider a hoe, she's not staying for breakfast. I've sent girls home before.

Color me surprised.

 

[mr roboto]

classy Capella.

 

[Capella]

college and the few years after were fun. And you don't bring every girl home to mom.

 

[Grahamburn]

I'll say this:

If we had visual evidence of what happened that night he might not even get drafted. I parallel it to the Ray Rice domestic violence issue. When it was just an allegation he got two games. When that video came out though?! Actually seeing what took place changes everything.

It's almost like you can just put it out of your mind. We can say, "well, there's not enough evidence to charge him, and in this country that's enough to presume innocence."

It's easy for the side wanting to draft him to say "we'll never know for sure." You feel compassion for the victim, what she's gone through, but there are so many maybes.

Not the same thing at all. We knew Ray Rice hit his girl already. We don't know what happened with Jameis.

Not saying it's the same thing. Just saying it's a lot easier to speculate on what might have happened (in Jameis' favor), as you did in subsequent posts, without actually being able to see what happened. In Rice's case a lot of people were suggesting it could have been this or that (they were drunk, he just smacked her, he pushed her down, he just dragged her out of an elevator), but once you actually saw what he did to her, he was rightfully crucified.

Obviously we're never going to have video of the encounter, but if we did Jameis wouldn't be going #1. Everything Dave said in his post about that night is true. If you think about it objectively Jameis doesn't come off looking like Casanova here.

I'm going to try not to worry about it anymore. He's going #1. Hopefully, for the sake of the Bucs, he keeps it together going forward and plays like he's capable of playing.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

college and the few years after were fun. And you don't bring every girl home to mom.

You sound like a swell guy. I hope you take more opportunities to chronicle all your exploits on this message board. Bottom line is this girl is not alleging consensual sex. This is a matter rape question and no matter how much you want to trivialize it and reframe the argument to something that supports your hero-worship of this kid doesn't change that simple fact.

 

[Capella]

college and the few years after were fun. And you don't bring every girl home to mom.

You sound like a swell guy. I hope you take more opportunities to chronicle all your exploits on this message board. Bottom line is this girl is not alleging consensual sex. This is a matter rape question and no matter how much you want to trivialize it and reframe the argument to something that supports your hero-worship of this kid doesn't change that simple fact.

I can assure you I don't care at all what you think about me.

It's not "hero worship" or trivializing what may have happened to her. It's taking the time to read the documents that have been publicly provided and being intelligent enough to come to my own conclusion without buying into the media storm like most of you dopes do.

If it turns out he raped her, or another woman, I hope he spends decades in prison. I don't want to root for a guy like that. I just don't think he did in this situation.

 

[Capella]

I'll say this:

If we had visual evidence of what happened that night he might not even get drafted. I parallel it to the Ray Rice domestic violence issue. When it was just an allegation he got two games. When that video came out though?! Actually seeing what took place changes everything.

It's almost like you can just put it out of your mind. We can say, "well, there's not enough evidence to charge him, and in this country that's enough to presume innocence."

It's easy for the side wanting to draft him to say "we'll never know for sure." You feel compassion for the victim, what she's gone through, but there are so many maybes.

Not the same thing at all. We knew Ray Rice hit his girl already. We don't know what happened with Jameis.

Not saying it's the same thing. Just saying it's a lot easier to speculate on what might have happened (in Jameis' favor), as you did in subsequent posts, without actually being able to see what happened. In Rice's case a lot of people were suggesting it could have been this or that (they were drunk, he just smacked her, he pushed her down, he just dragged her out of an elevator), but once you actually saw what he did to her, he was rightfully crucified.

Obviously we're never going to have video of the encounter, but if we did Jameis wouldn't be going #1. Everything Dave said in his post about that night is true. If you think about it objectively Jameis doesn't come off looking like Casanova here.

I'm going to try not to worry about it anymore. He's going #1. Hopefully, for the sake of the Bucs, he keeps it together going forward and plays like he's capable of playing.

I'm really not sure what point you are angling for here. And of course Jameis isn't Casanova. Maybe he's even some kind of sexual deviant. Doesn't really matter to me as long as he isn't committing crimes in the act.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

college and the few years after were fun. And you don't bring every girl home to mom.

You sound like a swell guy. I hope you take more opportunities to chronicle all your exploits on this message board. Bottom line is this girl is not alleging consensual sex. This is a matter rape question and no matter how much you want to trivialize it and reframe the argument to something that supports your hero-worship of this kid doesn't change that simple fact.

I can assure you I don't care at all what you think about me.

It's not "hero worship" or trivializing what may have happened to her. It's taking the time to read the documents that have been publicly provided and being intelligent enough to come to my own conclusion without buying into the media storm like most of you dopes do.

If it turns out he raped her, or another woman, I hope he spends decades in prison. I don't want to root for a guy like that. I just don't think he did in this situation.

You're not the only one who has read the original documents, and it is Tampa dopes like you who are choosing to believe a specific version because you root for laundry, and this is going to be your quarterback.

 

[Grahamburn]

I'm not angling for anything. Just that I hope all this stuff really is behind him. If it isn't we'll all hang our heads and say, "we should have known better, all the signs were there."

 

[Capella]

college and the few years after were fun. And you don't bring every girl home to mom.

You sound like a swell guy. I hope you take more opportunities to chronicle all your exploits on this message board. Bottom line is this girl is not alleging consensual sex. This is a matter rape question and no matter how much you want to trivialize it and reframe the argument to something that supports your hero-worship of this kid doesn't change that simple fact.

I can assure you I don't care at all what you think about me. It's not "hero worship" or trivializing what may have happened to her. It's taking the time to read the documents that have been publicly provided and being intelligent enough to come to my own conclusion without buying into the media storm like most of you dopes do.

If it turns out he raped her, or another woman, I hope he spends decades in prison. I don't want to root for a guy like that. I just don't think he did in this situation.

You're not the only one who has read the original documents.

You're right about that. Three other independent parties have read them too and all have decided not to bring whatever charges they would have the authority to bring. So good on you for getting that.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

college and the few years after were fun. And you don't bring every girl home to mom.

You sound like a swell guy. I hope you take more opportunities to chronicle all your exploits on this message board. Bottom line is this girl is not alleging consensual sex. This is a matter rape question and no matter how much you want to trivialize it and reframe the argument to something that supports your hero-worship of this kid doesn't change that simple fact.

I can assure you I don't care at all what you think about me. It's not "hero worship" or trivializing what may have happened to her. It's taking the time to read the documents that have been publicly provided and being intelligent enough to come to my own conclusion without buying into the media storm like most of you dopes do.

If it turns out he raped her, or another woman, I hope he spends decades in prison. I don't want to root for a guy like that. I just don't think he did in this situation.

You're not the only one who has read the original documents.

You're right about that. Three other independent parties have read them too and all have decided not to bring whatever charges they would have the authority to bring. So good on you for getting that.

Conveniently for Jameis and you fanboys, the police botched the "investigation" so badly--deliberately or otherwise--those same incompetent authorities you speak of couldn't make heads or tails of the case. So good on you for getting to that.

 

[werdnoynek]

college and the few years after were fun. And you don't bring every girl home to mom.

You sound like a swell guy. I hope you take more opportunities to chronicle all your exploits on this message board. Bottom line is this girl is not alleging consensual sex. This is a matter rape question and no matter how much you want to trivialize it and reframe the argument to something that supports your hero-worship of this kid doesn't change that simple fact.

I can assure you I don't care at all what you think about me.It's not "hero worship" or trivializing what may have happened to her. It's taking the time to read the documents that have been publicly provided and being intelligent enough to come to my own conclusion without buying into the media storm like most of you dopes do.

If it turns out he raped her, or another woman, I hope he spends decades in prison. I don't want to root for a guy like that. I just don't think he did in this situation.

You're not the only one who has read the original documents.

You're right about that. Three other independent parties have read them too and all have decided not to bring whatever charges they would have the authority to bring. So good on you for getting that.

Conveniently for Jameis and you fanboys, the police botched the "investigation" so badly--deliberately or otherwise--those same incompetent authorities you speak of couldn't make heads or tails of the case. So good on you for getting to that.

How is it you're so convinced he's guilty? What evidence do see proves his guilt?

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

college and the few years after were fun. And you don't bring every girl home to mom.

You sound like a swell guy. I hope you take more opportunities to chronicle all your exploits on this message board. Bottom line is this girl is not alleging consensual sex. This is a matter rape question and no matter how much you want to trivialize it and reframe the argument to something that supports your hero-worship of this kid doesn't change that simple fact.

I can assure you I don't care at all what you think about me.It's not "hero worship" or trivializing what may have happened to her. It's taking the time to read the documents that have been publicly provided and being intelligent enough to come to my own conclusion without buying into the media storm like most of you dopes do.

If it turns out he raped her, or another woman, I hope he spends decades in prison. I don't want to root for a guy like that. I just don't think he did in this situation.

You're not the only one who has read the original documents.

You're right about that. Three other independent parties have read them too and all have decided not to bring whatever charges they would have the authority to bring. So good on you for getting that.

Conveniently for Jameis and you fanboys, the police botched the "investigation" so badly--deliberately or otherwise--those same incompetent authorities you speak of couldn't make heads or tails of the case. So good on you for getting to that.

How is it you're so convinced he's guilty? What evidence do see proves his guilt?

Nothing that I can see proves anything. She may be pulling a "Jackie" here for all I know. But, all the research, all the clinical data point to the fact that it is far less common for women to make up stories of rape than it is to make an accusation that is real. The base rates of false claims are quite low. Add to that, the motive for her to just make it up isn't well established. Moreover, Winston has done little to establish that he is anything but a narcissist and has little regard for others. It is not much of a reach to imagine he regards women the same as he does crab legs or other property for which he feels entitled.So, not proof. But, it's really a shame that those in charge of protecting/serving the community and investigating crimes didn't so much as pick up a damn telephone, swept this under the rug, and only reluctantly 10 months later gave a half-### attempt to look like they were doing police work.

 

[B-Deep]

I cannot believe anyone is sure enough about what happened to argue either way

 

[Capella]

. It is not much of a reach to imagine he regards women the same as he does crab legs or other property for which he feels entitled.

that is actually an astonishingly horrible reach.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

. It is not much of a reach to imagine he regards women the same as he does crab legs or other property for which he feels entitled.

that is actually an astonishingly horrible reach.

Anyway, aside from being a bad guy, does it not concern you at all that we're looking at just another fat Jamarcus Russell, whom everyone fawned over, made excuses for, and just plain overlooked deficiencies in his preparation and decision-making because they wanted to believe this was the guy?

 

[Grahamburn]

. It is not much of a reach to imagine he regards women the same as he does crab legs or other property for which he feels entitled.

that is actually an astonishingly horrible reach.

Anyway, aside from being a bad guy, does it not concern you at all that we're looking at just another fat Jamarcus Russell, whom everyone fawned over, made excuses for, and just plain overlooked deficiencies in his preparation and decision-making because they wanted to believe this was the guy?

To be fair, people have fallen in love with Jameis' "refuse to lose" mentality, leadership ability, charisma, his ability to read/exploit defenses, and last but not least his ability to throw the football.

Al Davis fell in love with JaMarcus Russell's ability to throw a football only, and he ignored the other red flags.