QB Jameis Winston, NYG (2 Viewers)

[B-Deep]

i am surprised the # of INTs he threw this season has not brought more concern

is there a reason to think that he won't throw a lot in the NFL?

 

[Capella]

I have no problems with the man's game. Especially not his work ethic. Comparing him to Jamarcus is just a lazy comp. They have nothing in common when it comes to how they play.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

. It is not much of a reach to imagine he regards women the same as he does crab legs or other property for which he feels entitled.

that is actually an astonishingly horrible reach.

Anyway, aside from being a bad guy, does it not concern you at all that we're looking at just another fat Jamarcus Russell, whom everyone fawned over, made excuses for, and just plain overlooked deficiencies in his preparation and decision-making because they wanted to believe this was the guy?

To be fair, people have fallen in love with Jameis' "refuse to lose" mentality, leadership ability, charisma, his ability to read/exploit defenses, and last but not least his ability to throw the football.

Al Davis fell in love with JaMarcus Russell's ability to throw a football only, and he ignored the other red flags.

Yeah, I wouldn't minimize the gushing over Jamarcus at the time. Go back and look at scouting reports, he was known for being cool under pressure, ice water in his veins, a great decision-maker, etc. It wasn't just Al, it was everybody. And with Jameis, far more obvious red flags are there, including multiple shoplifting attempts, shooting squirrels on campus, one (likely two) rape accusations, getting up and screaming, "#### her right in the #####!"...I mean, none of that should personify leadership, charisma, or anything of the sort.But, I think because he's one of their own, not that prissy Hawaiian in Oregon, the narrative has been twisted by folks in Florida, especially Tampa, to ignore all of this. And, oh by the way, excuse/ignore a preposterously awful 25:18 TD:INT ratio last year.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

I have no problems with the man's game. Especially not his work ethic. Comparing him to Jamarcus is just a lazy comp. They have nothing in common when it comes to how they play.

The comp isn't based on how they play. It's made to highlight how, if you work really hard at overlooking really important variables, you can make yourself believe in anything. That's the epitome of lazy analysis.

 

[Soulfly3]

so, we fully expect QBs to #### her right in the #####...

just not say "#### her right in the #####" ?

it's the small things that make life wonderful,

Signed,

Huge Mariota Fan

 

[Capella]

But, I think because he's one of their own, not that prissy Hawaiian in Oregon, the narrative has been twisted by folks in Florida, especially Tampa, to ignore all of this.

You really think this is what Lovie and Jason Light are thinking? That would be dumb to start but they aren't even from here.

 

[Freelove]

. It is not much of a reach to imagine he regards women the same as he does crab legs or other property for which he feels entitled.

that is actually an astonishingly horrible reach.

Anyway, aside from being a bad guy, does it not concern you at all that we're looking at just another fat Jamarcus Russell, whom everyone fawned over, made excuses for, and just plain overlooked deficiencies in his preparation and decision-making because they wanted to believe this was the guy?

To be fair, people have fallen in love with Jameis' "refuse to lose" mentality, leadership ability, charisma, his ability to read/exploit defenses, and last but not least his ability to throw the football.

Al Davis fell in love with JaMarcus Russell's ability to throw a football only, and he ignored the other red flags.

Yeah, I wouldn't minimize the gushing over Jamarcus at the time. Go back and look at scouting reports, he was known for being cool under pressure, ice water in his veins, a great decision-maker, etc. It wasn't just Al, it was everybody. And with Jameis, far more obvious red flags are there, including multiple shoplifting attempts, shooting squirrels on campus, one (likely two) rape accusations, getting up and screaming, "#### her right in the #####!"...I mean, none of that should personify leadership, charisma, or anything of the sort.But, I think because he's one of their own, not that prissy Hawaiian in Oregon, the narrative has been twisted by folks in Florida, especially Tampa, to ignore all of this. And, oh by the way, excuse/ignore a preposterously awful 25:18 TD:INT ratio last year.

The narrative that his "work ethic" and "on field performance/ability to read a defense" are selling points is pure mythology.

He consistently got his team in trouble last year precisely because he was abjectly awful at reading defenses in the first halves of games last year. Now, we've all seen him on the white board by now, so the problem isn't that he's incapable of running an offense. So what could it be besides a troubling and consistent laziness in preparation?

Now, that on its own would be enough to give a team misgivings about spending the #1 overall on such a guy, but with Winston, it's way more troubling. This is a guy who has demonstrated, over and over again, a troubling tendency toward immaturity and entitlement issues -- to such an extreme extent that he repeatedly puts himself in serious legal danger with clearly no real sense or concern for the consequences.

I think it would behoove teams to ask whether a man with such a mindset is likely to improve his core-level habits upon being made very rich and coddled. I'd say it's not only unlikely, but it's so unlikely that he isn't a good gamble on the first day of the draft. I would be shocked if he's an NFL starting QB in three years' time, or an NFL player at all in five.

It's fascinating to me that a guy with so, so many glaring personal deficiencies which DO have the potential impact directly on his game, in addition to all the ones that merely put the investment at risk, is approaching the draft with the major players utterly ignoring those deficiencies because of a golden arm. I guess those who ignore history...

More than anything, I sincerely can't grasp the mindset of the fan who is actually rooting for this to happen because they feel confident it'll work out. :(

 

[cstu]

But, I think because he's one of their own, not that prissy Hawaiian in Oregon, the narrative has been twisted by folks in Florida, especially Tampa, to ignore all of this.

You really think this is what Lovie and Jason Light are thinking? That would be dumb to start but they aren't even from here.

No, if they end up taking Winston it will be because it's easy to watch his college tape and see him translating to the NFL. No one is going to blame them for Winston since they need a QB and he's the only one who there's no question about him being able to start week 1 (he might throw INT's but he'll be able to go out there without being overwhelmed).

 

[-CE-]

But, I think because he's one of their own, not that prissy Hawaiian in Oregon, the narrative has been twisted by folks in Florida, especially Tampa, to ignore all of this.

You really think this is what Lovie and Jason Light are thinking? That would be dumb to start but they aren't even from here.

No, if they end up taking Winston it will be because it's easy to watch his college tape and see him translating to the NFL. No one is going to blame them for Winston since they need a QB and he's the only one who there's no question about him being able to start week 1 (he might throw INT's but he'll be able to go out there without being overwhelmed).

This. I think Winston is probably the better prospect right now, but that doesn't mean Mariota won't be better in the future.

 

[Grahamburn]

But, I think because he's one of their own, not that prissy Hawaiian in Oregon, the narrative has been twisted by folks in Florida, especially Tampa, to ignore all of this.

You really think this is what Lovie and Jason Light are thinking? That would be dumb to start but they aren't even from here.

No, if they end up taking Winston it will be because it's easy to watch his college tape and see him translating to the NFL. No one is going to blame them for Winston since they need a QB and he's the only one who there's no question about him being able to start week 1 (he might throw INT's but he'll be able to go out there without being overwhelmed).

I'm not sure if I'm reading this right, but it almost sounds like a positive comment.

 

[cstu]

But, I think because he's one of their own, not that prissy Hawaiian in Oregon, the narrative has been twisted by folks in Florida, especially Tampa, to ignore all of this.

You really think this is what Lovie and Jason Light are thinking? That would be dumb to start but they aren't even from here.

No, if they end up taking Winston it will be because it's easy to watch his college tape and see him translating to the NFL. No one is going to blame them for Winston since they need a QB and he's the only one who there's no question about him being able to start week 1 (he might throw INT's but he'll be able to go out there without being overwhelmed).

I'm not sure if I'm reading this right, but it almost sounds like a positive comment.

I've said positive comments about him all along - his fanboys can't take any criticism of their boy and resort to personal attacks.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Bucs fans are livid that Mayock dropped Winston behind Mariota in his latest rankings. Go to joebucsfan.com, for example, to get a sampling of how apoplectic folks are getting over this. I bet Capella has posted there at least a dozen times by now.

 

[Capella]

I don't post there, or anywhere else. Sorry chooch. In fact I don't even read that site. BucsNation is pretty solid.

Mayock had Gabbert over Cam. I don't really care what his opinion is. Especially since he had Jameis higher a few weeks ago. Did they play another game since then? This is all for page clicks.

 

[Capella]

@bomani_jones: i dont do this draft thing much, but you know my one rule: trust no one on quarterbacks who had gabbert > newton in 2011.

@bomani_jones: ESPECIALLY if that person jumped ship on bridgewater over the pro day and hands. god, i hate draft coverage.

Bomani is a noted Bucs fan

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

I don't post there, or anywhere else. Sorry chooch. In fact I don't even read that site. BucsNation is pretty solid.

Mayock had Gabbert over Cam. I don't really care what his opinion is. Especially since he had Jameis higher a few weeks ago. Did they play another game since then? This is all for page clicks.

This isn't about Mayock. This is about Bucs fanboys freaking the #### out over perceived disses on Jameis.

 

[Capella]

I don't post there, or anywhere else. Sorry chooch. In fact I don't even read that site. BucsNation is pretty solid.

Mayock had Gabbert over Cam. I don't really care what his opinion is. Especially since he had Jameis higher a few weeks ago. Did they play another game since then? This is all for page clicks.

This isn't about Mayock. This is about Bucs fanboys freaking the #### out over perceived disses on Jameis.

I don't care at all. Why do you?

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

I don't post there, or anywhere else. Sorry chooch. In fact I don't even read that site. BucsNation is pretty solid.

Mayock had Gabbert over Cam. I don't really care what his opinion is. Especially since he had Jameis higher a few weeks ago. Did they play another game since then? This is all for page clicks.

This isn't about Mayock. This is about Bucs fanboys freaking the #### out over perceived disses on Jameis.

I don't care at all. Why do you?

I wasn't suggesting you care, chooch. You've posted over 100 times in this thread about how you don't care what anyone thinks. That point has been made time and time again. Nobody thinks you care. You're still bad-###, and everyone knows it.

 

[Capella]

I don't post there, or anywhere else. Sorry chooch. In fact I don't even read that site. BucsNation is pretty solid.

Mayock had Gabbert over Cam. I don't really care what his opinion is. Especially since he had Jameis higher a few weeks ago. Did they play another game since then? This is all for page clicks.

This isn't about Mayock. This is about Bucs fanboys freaking the #### out over perceived disses on Jameis.

I don't care at all. Why do you?

I wasn't suggesting you care, chooch. You've posted over 100 times in this thread about how you don't care what anyone thinks. That point has been made time and time again. Nobody thinks you care. You're still bad-###, and everyone knows it.

I don't really care about Mayock's opinion or any draft expert. Watching these people leads me to think that there are no experts in this field at all, at least who aren't working for Seahawks. I do like discussing the topic. Not sure why the two have to be inclusive to you.

 

[werdnoynek]

I don't post there, or anywhere else. Sorry chooch. In fact I don't even read that site. BucsNation is pretty solid.

Mayock had Gabbert over Cam. I don't really care what his opinion is. Especially since he had Jameis higher a few weeks ago. Did they play another game since then? This is all for page clicks.

This isn't about Mayock. This is about Bucs fanboys freaking the #### out over perceived disses on Jameis.

I don't care at all. Why do you?

I wasn't suggesting you care, chooch. You've posted over 100 times in this thread about how you don't care what anyone thinks. That point has been made time and time again. Nobody thinks you care. You're still bad-###, and everyone knows it.

Would you like to start a Capella thread? You're not adding much in here any longer.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Bucs fans are livid that Mayock dropped Winston behind Mariota in his latest rankings. Go to joebucsfan.com, for example, to get a sampling of how apoplectic folks are getting over this. I bet Capella has posted there at least a dozen times by now.

the funniest thing about all this is that these guys probably had similar fanboys in similar arguments all over similar threads

bortles

manziel

manuel

geno

griffin

weeden

locker

gabbert

russell

ponder

bradford

tebow

clausen

mccoy

sanchez

freeman

pat white

 

[Grahamburn]

Chooch and Chong get high on a train.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The Glazer family will have final say on who the Bucs select with the first pick, according to Charles Robinson.
In particular, Robinson noted to pay attention to Darcie Glazer Kassewitz (the daughter of late owner Malcolm Glazer). "The source did not say Kassewitz was against drafting Winston," Robinson writes. "Nor did the source say Mariota or any other player was preferred at No. 1. But the source said that Kassewitz – who is the co-president of the Glazer Family Foundation – has raised some internal questions about the community relations impact of the pick." We aren't saying Marcus Mariota will be the pick at No. 1, but so many are not even giving him a shot. We are, and we think he has the talent to warrant the selection. Nothing is locked in at this moment.

Source: Yahoo Sports
Apr 9 - 12:35 PM

 

[cstu]

If things do go well right away in the NFL watch him walk away with his $20M and pursue his true love of baseball.

 

[Capella]

Jameis at the Alstott family foundation event last night. No Mariotta, oddly enough.

Just announce the pick already.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Jameis at the Alstott family foundation event last night. No Mariotta, oddly enough.

Just announce the pick already.

It's only odd if you are under the delusion they are considering anyone but Jameis. The selection is just a formality.

 

[massraider]

:whoosh:

 

[cstu]

Jameis at the Alstott family foundation event last night. No Mariotta, oddly enough.

Just announce the pick already.

I'm happy for you guys - you're getting what you deserve.

 

[Capella]

Jameis at the Alstott family foundation event last night. No Mariotta, oddly enough.

Just announce the pick already.

I'm happy for you guys - you're getting what you deserve.

Thanks, totally agree.

 

[Stealthycat]

Vince Young

Ryan Leaf

Demarcus Russel

Jamei ..................

Well, we'll see anyway

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

David Cornwell sure has some poignant, public things to say about his client.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Benjamin Allbright@AllbrightNFL · 1h 1 hour ago

Jameis Winston WILL be the #Bucs pick, per source. It's a done deal. Did what they consider due diligence to be sure.

 

[Soulfly3]

Benjamin Allbright@AllbrightNFL · 1h 1 hour ago

Jameis Winston WILL be the #Bucs pick, per source. It's a done deal. Did what they consider due diligence to be sure.

didnt he also say Crabtree to the Raiders was for sure too?

 

[cstu]

David Cornwell sure has some poignant, public things to say about his client.

Speaking at Villanova's Moorad Sports Law symposium, David Cornwell, according to multiple reports, said "Jameis is ready to be an NFL player on the field. He's not ready to be an NFL player off the field."

 

[Freelove]

I'm as down on Winston as anybody, but Cornwell's insider take here is meaningless. He went on to say, "No one is," before going on to list the resources available to help all the impressionable young rookies.

I still think Winston busts, but this is a non-story.

 

[werdnoynek]

David Cornwell sure has some poignant, public things to say about his client.

Speaking at Villanova's Moorad Sports Law symposium, David Cornwell, according to multiple reports, said "Jameis is ready to be an NFL player on the field. He's not ready to be an NFL player off the field."

This is right from him and not from "reports":

David Cornwell
‏@wmdavidcornwell
Jdubb is not unique. Issue of readiness is why we have #nfl rookie symposium n the resources of #nfl player engagement. Jdubb will b fine.

David Cornwell
‏@wmdavidcornwell
With his meetings with #NFL Commissioner, Troy Vincent, and his other pre-draft work, I bet Jameis is more ready than most.

 

[cstu]

David Cornwell sure has some poignant, public things to say about his client.

Speaking at Villanova's Moorad Sports Law symposium, David Cornwell, according to multiple reports, said "Jameis is ready to be an NFL player on the field. He's not ready to be an NFL player off the field."

This is right from him and not from "reports":

David Cornwell
‏@wmdavidcornwell
Jdubb is not unique. Issue of readiness is why we have #nfl rookie symposium n the resources of #nfl player engagement. Jdubb will b fine.

David Cornwell
‏@wmdavidcornwell
With his meetings with #NFL Commissioner, Troy Vincent, and his other pre-draft work, I bet Jameis is more ready than most.

He could be a NFL cornerback with that backpedal.

 

[werdnoynek]

Here's a guy who was at the Villanova Law School and tweeted what the attorney said there as well as after when he talked to him directly. For ease of reading I just copied out the tweets themselves - here's a link to his timeline if you'd like to see for yourself: https://twitter.com/byjoelanderson

Joel D. Anderson
‏@byjoelanderson

Hear to listen to Jameis Winston's attorney David Cornwell at Villanova Law School and he just casually dropped the name of the accuser.

Cornwell explaining why he's using her name publicly now. "The media only reported half the story."

"Her name had been known for months and reported. ... And it's a media policy. How can the media dictate to me how I will defend my client?"

"She lied and said Jameis hit her on the back of the head. She lied and said she had been drugged" - Cornwell on Winston's accuser

"Journalism is dead in sports media" - Cornwell

Cornwell explains that he turned down an opportunity to defend Ray Rice because of the video. He defended Winston because of "the evidence."

Cornwell is going on a diatribe against the coverage of Winston's rape case. First ESPN. Now New York Times. "It was based on ignorance."

Cornwell claims the New York Times wrote "what was basically an apology" after he complained about a reported column.

"I hope every single one of you are uncomfortable about this."
- Cornwell

"It's the first time we've seen the vilification of an athlete drop into amateur ranks at this level" - Cornwell on Winston #MooradSymp

"Do you know she didn't make an outcry?" - Cornwell complaining that Winston's accuser didn't directly contact authorities after incident.

"you've got to admit that he's a knucklehead" - moderator to Cornwell. #MooradSymp

"He's ready to be an NFL player on the field. But he's not ready to be an NFL player off the field" - Cornwell on Winston. Gotdamn.

Cornwell talking about Winston's impending transition to the NFL. "This league will chew you up, spit you out and keep going."

"We have to assist him in growing and developing as a man. And it's not going to be easy" - Cornwell on Winston.

"If he messes up again, he's done. … And so we talked about it and (Winston) said, 'I want to meet'" the commissioner - Cornwell

Cornwell says it was Winston's idea to meet with Roger Goodell. "He has an incredible self-awareness" - Cornwell on Winston

"Book it" - Cornwell on if Winston is going No. 1 in the draft. Closes this session to applause.

Just spoke with Cornwell. The implication is that Jameis still has some growing to do, not that he's unprepared to be in the NFL.

"I don’t see why it’s controversial that a 20-year-old doesn’t have the life experience to navigate…" - Cornwell on Jameis Winston

the treacherous waters of being a professional athlete w/o avialling themselves of the resources available to them." - Cornwell on Winston

"The idea that standing alone, he’s ready to get into this shark-infested pool, it’s just crazy. I don’t understand why it’s news"- Cornwell

"I don’t think (Winston) is unique. I don’t think anyone is ready. No one is ready for this world when they come into it" - Cornwell.

 

[werdnoynek]

David Cornwell sure has some poignant, public things to say about his client.

Speaking at Villanova's Moorad Sports Law symposium, David Cornwell, according to multiple reports, said "Jameis is ready to be an NFL player on the field. He's not ready to be an NFL player off the field."

This is right from him and not from "reports":

David Cornwell
‏@wmdavidcornwell
Jdubb is not unique. Issue of readiness is why we have #nfl rookie symposium n the resources of #nfl player engagement. Jdubb will b fine.

David Cornwell
‏@wmdavidcornwell
With his meetings with #NFL Commissioner, Troy Vincent, and his other pre-draft work, I bet Jameis is more ready than most.

He could be a NFL cornerback with that backpedal.

It has to do with "reports" only "reporting" one thing he said... this day in age it happens quite often because the media only gives us the juicy stuff.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

I'm as down on Winston as anybody, but Cornwell's insider take here is meaningless. He went on to say, "No one is," before going on to list the resources available to help all the impressionable young rookies.

I still think Winston busts, but this is a non-story.

I'm not surprised by the comment as much as I am the source. Refreshingly honest. Also remarkable given it was unsolicited and came from someone with a vested financial interest in him.

 

[cstu]

Cornwell explains that he turned down an opportunity to defend Ray Rice because of the video. He defended Winston because of "the evidence."

No ####?

 

[werdnoynek]

Cornwell explains that he turned down an opportunity to defend Ray Rice because of the video. He defended Winston because of "the evidence."

No ####?

 

[Shutout]

Guess we are ready to talk about the #2 pick in the draft.

 

[lod01]

Jameis at the Alstott family foundation event last night. No Mariotta, oddly enough.

Just announce the pick already.

I'm happy for you guys - you're getting what you deserve.

Thanks, totally agree.

David Carr had a handful of delusional supporters here.

Vince Young had The Hairy Scotsman.

Tim Tebow had Schnikes.

Winston has Capella. It won't end well for you. It will be a monumental disappointment if the Bucs FO wakes up out of their decade plus long coma and pick someone else.

I always like going into a season with one player that really blows yet someone thinks he's actually good.

 

[Capella]

Sorry to disappoint you but if the bucs take Mariotta I'll be ready to support him. Unlike you, I am not delusional or in your case, insane enough to think I know more than these guys.

The only way I will be truly disappointed is if they don't take a QB at all.

 

[gump]

Unlike you, I am not delusional or in your case, insane enough

Don't forget racist.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Sorry to disappoint you but if the bucs take Mariotta I'll be ready to support him. Unlike you, I am not delusional or in your case, insane enough to think I know more than these guys.

The only way I will be truly disappointed is if they don't take a QB at all.

Not disappointed at all, because it will never happen. Fair to say, you'll be misspelling Mariota's name forever, because there's zero percent chance he will be relevant to you. No way the Glazers, knowing that Tampa culture and it's monster level of support behind Winston, take anyone else at #1. They are in a POS stadium in a POS part of town with a POS team. Last thing they need to do is piss off their already soft fanbase, who, long before the Rose Bowl debacle against Oregon, had pushed all in on Winston.

The cognitive dissonance, alone, is too much to navigate.

 

[Capella]

Unlike you, I am not delusional or in your case, insane enough

Don't forget racist.

 

[Capella]

Sorry to disappoint you but if the bucs take Mariotta I'll be ready to support him. Unlike you, I am not delusional or in your case, insane enough to think I know more than these guys.

The only way I will be truly disappointed is if they don't take a QB at all.

Not disappointed at all, because it will never happen. Fair to say, you'll be misspelling Mariota's name forever, because there's zero percent chance he will be relevant to you. No way the Glazers, knowing that Tampa culture and it's monster level of support behind Winston, take anyone else at #1. They are in a POS stadium in a POS part of town with a POS team. Last thing they need to do is piss off their already soft fanbase, who, long before the Rose Bowl debacle against Oregon, had pushed all in on Winston. The cognitive dissonance, alone, is too much to navigate.

No idea what you're talking about. Edit: on pewter report (most well known Bucs site) the vote for MM over Winston is like 53-47 with thousands of votes. So not only are your posts difficult rambles to read, they are also thoroughly inaccurate.

 

[cstu]

Sorry to disappoint you but if the bucs take Mariotta I'll be ready to support him. Unlike you, I am not delusional or in your case, insane enough to think I know more than these guys.

The only way I will be truly disappointed is if they don't take a QB at all.

Not disappointed at all, because it will never happen. Fair to say, you'll be misspelling Mariota's name forever, because there's zero percent chance he will be relevant to you. No way the Glazers, knowing that Tampa culture and it's monster level of support behind Winston, take anyone else at #1. They are in a POS stadium in a POS part of town with a POS team. Last thing they need to do is piss off their already soft fanbase, who, long before the Rose Bowl debacle against Oregon, had pushed all in on Winston.The cognitive dissonance, alone, is too much to navigate.

No idea what you're talking about. Edit: on pewter report (most well known Bucs site) the vote for MM over Winston is like 53-47 with thousands of votes. So not only are your posts difficult rambles to read, they are also thoroughly inaccurate.

Barring the Bucs discovering more character concerns during their 'shadowing', Winston will be the pick because he's the safest QB in the draft.

If he stays out of trouble and doesn't get fat he'll be at worst an average starter who makes too many mistakes (Cutler). I can also see him not have the work ethic that being a top QB requires and deciding to quit football to play baseball since he'll already be set financially for life.

 

[Capella]

Have no idea what the work ethic thing is about. Everybody has said for 3 years he was in the film room a legendary amount of time.

You people are just making #### up.