QB Jared Goff, DET (1 Viewer)

[Chaka]

Lions do not consider current starter Jared Goff to be bridge QB

Unless Goff plays way better than he has so far this season, I think it'd be a mistake to think he's the long term QB. Goff is the new Andy Dalton, he looks good in spurts, but shouldn't be the plan. If that Rams pick is top-5, I think QB should be priority #1. I'd be ok with that guy sitting behind Goff initially though.

This is fair but QBs of that caliber, and I personally think Goff>Dalton, are good enough to lead teams to the SB and win.

Rolling the dice with Goff allows them to add to the defense and, possibly make them legit contenders as soon as 2023. Going with a rookie pushes back that time frame a year, at least, and with this offensive line and Ben Johnson at OC, you want to push for the ring right ####### now!!!

They likely will not make the playoffs this year, I still think they will lose on Sunday even with Zach Wilson under center (although I did pick them in my survivor pool), but if they continue to do what they've been doing and make the playoffs, no team is going to want to face them.

I think I disagree with all 3 of these points.

Personally, I think Dalton>Goff, at least the Bengals version of Dalton, who was long considered the line at QB, as in, "is your QB better than Dalton? If so he's a franchise QB, if not, keep looking." I don't see drafting a rookie as something that sets them back. They have 2 1sts, and Goff is affordable, if you want to go the Trey Lance (with better health hopefully) route. But, its also a great QB class, and going to situation with a great OL, and good OC will make any rookie QB look better.

I actually think the Lions are a good bet to make the playoffs. Its highly unlikely both Washington and New York to make it. There is even a chance neither makes it. One of them will lose this week (though 2 teams tying in both their games in 1 season would be amazing) and have 2 likely losses on the schedule in the last 3. Washington has SF/Cle/Dal after this week, and NY has Min/Ind/Phi. Maybe that Eagles game is meaningless, but not if Dallas beats Philly next week. Meanwhile the Lions schedule is very nice especially if they win this week, with Car/Chi/GB left, all teams who probably wouldn't mind improving their draft position, though Carolina might somehow win their garbage division. The other team in the hunt is Seattle, but they seem to be falling apart and still have KC/NYJ/LAR left.

Fair points Trav and we don't need to discuss the subtle differences between Dalton v Goff. Other than the fact that Goff already took a team to the SB and Dalton never made it past the wild card round. The bottom line is too many Dilfer/Hostetler type QBs have SB rings to suggest that neither Goff or Dalton could be numbered among them.

The Bengals had their shot somewhere between 2011-2015 but the Lions shot is right now. They can try to keep it together while they develop a QB next year and hope Ben Johnson sticks through 2024 or they can make their play for 2024/2024. I know Aaron Rodgers wishes the Pack hadn't wasted draft capital on Love while their window was open. I suspect the Packer management wonders the same.

I like the Lions a lot this year but they're behind the 8-Ball and both the Jets and Panthers are also playing for a shot at the playoffs . They won't be easy outs, unless the Lions are more improved than any of us truly think they are. I also guarantee the Packers aren't going to roll over to punch the Lions ticket.

I don't put too much stock in analytics but I recognize there is some value right now and they are getting better but ATM, IIRC, the Lions have a 24% chance to get in. So it's all probably a moot point.

 

[travdogg]

Lions do not consider current starter Jared Goff to be bridge QB

Unless Goff plays way better than he has so far this season, I think it'd be a mistake to think he's the long term QB. Goff is the new Andy Dalton, he looks good in spurts, but shouldn't be the plan. If that Rams pick is top-5, I think QB should be priority #1. I'd be ok with that guy sitting behind Goff initially though.

This is fair but QBs of that caliber, and I personally think Goff>Dalton, are good enough to lead teams to the SB and win.

Rolling the dice with Goff allows them to add to the defense and, possibly make them legit contenders as soon as 2023. Going with a rookie pushes back that time frame a year, at least, and with this offensive line and Ben Johnson at OC, you want to push for the ring right ####### now!!!

They likely will not make the playoffs this year, I still think they will lose on Sunday even with Zach Wilson under center (although I did pick them in my survivor pool), but if they continue to do what they've been doing and make the playoffs, no team is going to want to face them.

I think I disagree with all 3 of these points.

Personally, I think Dalton>Goff, at least the Bengals version of Dalton, who was long considered the line at QB, as in, "is your QB better than Dalton? If so he's a franchise QB, if not, keep looking." I don't see drafting a rookie as something that sets them back. They have 2 1sts, and Goff is affordable, if you want to go the Trey Lance (with better health hopefully) route. But, its also a great QB class, and going to situation with a great OL, and good OC will make any rookie QB look better.

I actually think the Lions are a good bet to make the playoffs. Its highly unlikely both Washington and New York to make it. There is even a chance neither makes it. One of them will lose this week (though 2 teams tying in both their games in 1 season would be amazing) and have 2 likely losses on the schedule in the last 3. Washington has SF/Cle/Dal after this week, and NY has Min/Ind/Phi. Maybe that Eagles game is meaningless, but not if Dallas beats Philly next week. Meanwhile the Lions schedule is very nice especially if they win this week, with Car/Chi/GB left, all teams who probably wouldn't mind improving their draft position, though Carolina might somehow win their garbage division. The other team in the hunt is Seattle, but they seem to be falling apart and still have KC/NYJ/LAR left.

Fair points Trav and we don't need to discuss the subtle differences between Dalton v Goff. Other than the fact that Goff already took a team to the SB and Dalton never made it past the wild card round. The bottom line is too many Dilfer/Hostetler type QBs have SB rings to suggest that neither Goff or Dalton could be numbered among them.

Final point, and then I'll let it go, but I'd be remiss if I didn't point out those examples are from 22 and 32 years ago respectively. In the last 20 years the only non-Franchise QB to win a Super Bowl is Nick Foles (and even then, Wentz got them to the playoffs, like Simms did with Hostetler) and Brad Johnson (with a defense that was 40% HOFers, and had 2 non HOF all-pros.)

To be fair, 35% of the Super Bowls since 2003 were won by Tom Brady, but the other names were Stafford, Mahomes, Peyton, Wilson, Flacco, Eli, Rodgers, Brees, and Roethlisberger.

Maybe Flacco could be argued wasn't a franchise guy, though still certainly better than Goff, but my point is that the days of Super Bowls being won by the Dilfers and Hostetlers of the world feels pretty far in the rear view with how the NFL has gone, and I think rolling with Goff keeps a restrictor plate on how good this team can be.

 

[Zeppelin]

Goff's next 2 games, both on the road against very good defenses, will determine what the Lions do in the draft.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Goff's next 2 games, both on the road against very good defenses, will determine what the Lions do in the draft.

The goal this year was to double the win total in order to be able to play meaningful football in December. They're a year away from making a serious run at the playoffs and contending for the playoffs division title. Regardless of outcome, what they are are going through right now is great experience for the team to go through.

This is an incredibly young team, 2nd youngest roster in the league and the youngest defense with five rookies (Hutch, Paschal, Houston, Rodriguez, Joseph) playing significant snaps. Goff, Josh Reynolds, and Brockers went to a Super Bowl together; Jamaal, Anzalone, Board and Elliott have played in a few playoff games. Couple of the coaches (Randle El, Staley and Fipp) have rings. But this is all new for most of them.

There's a lot in flux rn. I think the working relationship of Jared Goff and Ben Johnson cannot be overstated. A lot of Goff's success is partially attributable to meshing with a brilliant young playcaller + stellar offensive line play. Windows are tight in the NFL, who knows how much longer we will have the OC. He is definitely going to draw interest in the offseason. Would be a huge bonus if they work together one more year because they have something special.

 

[Chaka]

Maybe Flacco could be argued wasn't a franchise guy

Eli too.

Eli had intangibles, 4th quarter poise, but he's a .500 QB with mediocre numbers.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Eli had intangibles, 4th quarter poise, but he's a .500 QB with mediocre numbers.

Let's not forget one of the all-time great meme worthy faces

 

[Tanner9919]

Eli was 8-4 in playoffs won 2007 SB entirely on the road and won some road games in 2011 both seasons he only 1 int in the 4 playoff games. he beat the NFLs onlly other undefeated team at that point in the season ( NE). beat the GOAT 2x in the SB. 7-2 in road playoff games. he has a .667% win percentage in postseason, montana had .696, mcnabb .562, peyton manning .519, mahomes .727% , marino .444, rogers .524

Eli is up there with the best of them in postseason win percentage, and that's all that matters isn't it?
the more i see of Goff the more I think L.A. sold their soul to win a SB because they now need another QB,, a RB, o-line help and they have no early draft picks to acquire these players.
they'll be rebuilding for the next decade.
Goff looks like a legit starter/franchise guy. way better than selfish kyler murray, or russel wilson. id put goff in the top 15 in the NFL at the position , easily.
Id take him over the chuck-n-duck guy the vikings have at QB. he's better than Carr, probably more consistent than justin sherbert in lala land, better than any nfc east qb not named Hurts, better than all afc east QBs save for josh allen, etc

 

[barackdhouse]

One of my FPC teams comes down to Huntley today or Goff tomorrow and I think I'm going with Goff. I don't think Andrews is 100% and I'm not real thrilled with this Ravens offense in general. Lions at Jets is harder to call now that Zach Wilson is starting. I expect the Jets to run more and slow the game down more, but I think the ultimate tiebreaker for me is that the Lions are just playing well and have soooo many more weapons than the Ravens. Jets D is pretty tough. I'd like to see Wilson make a game out of it but not gonna hold my breath. They have weapons too.

Counterpoint might be if the Browns happen to steamroll and force Ravens into come from behind mode but I think that is thinner. Clear as mud.

 

[Chaka]

Eli is up there with the best of them in postseason win percentage, and that's all that matters isn't it?

I would send Eli to the HoF just for preventing Brady from getting those two rings. Kinda not kidding about that either.

But let's not overstate his career. He took his team to the playoffs 6 times in 16 years and was one-and-done in four of those years.

He definitely had intangibles that Goff probably lacks, but he's a .500 QB with mediocre stats.

 

[boilerdave]

Eli is up there with the best of them in postseason win percentage, and that's all that matters isn't it?

I would send Eli to the HoF just for preventing Brady from getting those two rings. Kinda not kidding about that either.

But let's not overstate his career. He took his team to the playoffs 6 times in 16 years and was one-and-done in four of those years.

He definitely had intangibles that Goff probably lacks, but he's a .500 QB with mediocre stats.

What his supporting cast like during his career? One hit wonders like Tyree and Cruz? Manningham? Ahmed Bradshaw? I’m sure I’m missing some key players plus the Strahan lead defense. But the point is he got two SBs without a lot of other star power.

 

[Chaka]

Eli is up there with the best of them in postseason win percentage, and that's all that matters isn't it?

I would send Eli to the HoF just for preventing Brady from getting those two rings. Kinda not kidding about that either.

But let's not overstate his career. He took his team to the playoffs 6 times in 16 years and was one-and-done in four of those years.

He definitely had intangibles that Goff probably lacks, but he's a .500 QB with mediocre stats.

What his supporting cast like during his career? One hit wonders like Tyree and Cruz? Manningham? Ahmed Bradshaw? I’m sure I’m missing some key players plus the Strahan lead defense. But the point is he got two SBs without a lot of other star power.

Am I not giving him enough props? He had two great playoff runs.

2007 the Giants had the #4 rushing offense (#4 for y/a too). They had the #7 total yardage defense & the #17 scoring defense which might have had to do with Eli throwing a league leading 20 INTs and fumbling 13 times. Bounce thst against 3100 yards & 23 TDs at a 6.3 y/a. Those are terrible numbers. They made the playoffs in spite of Eli.

Did they beat, arguably the best team of all time because of Eli or because somehow the Giants defense held the Patriots to 14 points and David Tyree made a miracle catch?

Again, props to Eli, I truly love him for those Super Bowl wins (and being the QB on my fantasy championship team in 2006) but let's not be revisionist with our histories.

2011 was a great year for Eli and the Giants offense carried that team to the playoffs and the Super Bowl.

 

[Da Guru]

When the Lions first got Goff I just thought he would be a one and done type QB here.

Watching him now week in and week out Goff is a pretty solid QB. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Herbert don`t come around often. Hurts and Lawrence are up and comers, Brady, Rodgers are old, Wilson is washed up, Stafford is banged up and getting older, Jackson is always hurt, Watson gets too many massages.

Goff is much better than I thought he was and just turned 28. Right now he around #6 overall in NFL QB stats. Could be in much worse shape.

 

[Faust]

Jared Goff is the Detroit Lions' present quarterback, but should he be their future?

 

[nysfl2]

Dumping Goff and bringing in a rookie feels like dumping Caldwell and bringing in Patricia "to get them over the hump".

Goff's done enough to keep the job next year. Bring in a developmental prospect who will be better than the current scrub backups we have, but I'd much rather use the top draft pick on another elite defensive player and keep Goff, especially if Ben Johnson is still here next season.

 

[Faust]

Lions GM Brad Holmes: I never really deemed Jared Goff a bridge QB

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

There’s an amazing redemptive arc out there waiting to be written in which Jared Goff, everyone’s everyman, leads the Lions to glory. It’s within the range of outcomes.

I just think to be a champion you need greatness at QB. Not pretty good.

Some mocks have the Lions taking Richardson with their late 1st (1.18, I think?)

That would seemingly be the perfect scenario - sign Goff to a 2-year deal, and develop Richardson, who’s been described as a 2-year project.

 

[BobbyLayne]

There’s an amazing redemptive arc out there waiting to be written in which Jared Goff, everyone’s everyman, leads the Lions to glory. It’s within the range of outcomes.

I just think to be a champion you need greatness at QB. Not pretty good.

Some mocks have the Lions taking Richardson with their late 1st (1.18, I think?)

That would seemingly be the perfect scenario - sign Goff to a 2-year deal, and develop Richardson, who’s been described as a 2-year project.

I think they'd be smart to explore any available option. Patriots drafted QBs behind Tom Brady for years. In his postseason presser today Holmes talked about that kind of scenario today, citing Mahomes and Rodgers sitting behind successful starters.

That said I think the 18th pick is probably slotted for a Joey Porter Jr level guy on the back end. They'll almost certainly take an interior DL at 6. Last 5 NFL picks at #6 were offensive tackle Ikem Ekwonu, wide receiver Jaylen Waddle, quarterback Justin Herbert, quarterback Daniel Jones and guard Quenton Nelson.

After that they have their 49th and wherever the Vikings TBD. They also have their own 82nd pick. We'll need an interior OL and I wouldn't be surprised if they select a 2nd CB or SS.

Holmes has had two strong drafts and I have complete confidence in whatever he chooses as the best path. Personally I think Jared is capable of leading them to a division title in 2023. If you listen closely to the recent comments from the quarterback, HC and GM, though, I think everyone is cognizant it's TBD which route they go. At least in explicit declarations, Campbell and Holmes are solidly behind Goff. Nobody should get butt hurt if they do take a QB, though - It's a business.

A lot of their internal FAs really want to resign. It's a great culture and the team has a pretty special locker room. But even still, I noticed a few veterans reference "of course you have to do the right thing for your family." IOW, it's the same kind of deal - they hope to keep the key pieces in place, but at the end of the day, everyone (team and players) has to do what they think is best for them.

 

[Da Guru]

When the Lions first got Goff I just thought he would be a one and done type QB here.

Watching him now week in and week out Goff is a pretty solid QB. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Herbert don`t come around often. Hurts and Lawrence are up and comers, Brady, Rodgers are old, Wilson is washed up, Stafford is banged up and getting older, Jackson is always hurt, Watson gets too many massages.

Goff is much better than I thought he was and just turned 28. Right now he around #6 overall in NFL QB stats. Could be in much worse shape.

Brad Holmes said today that Jared Goff is our QB for next season without a doubt, and was very happy with his play.

Said in the NFL it is much easier to get worse at the QB position than better. I agree with that 100%.

Heard Goff today on The Ticket. Goffs weekly deal with The Ticket expired after last week but he called and said he would do a year end interview with Karsch and Anderson at the same time as normal.

If you have listened to Goff every week you have to like this guy. Stand up guy talking about the teams ups and downs, never excuses, both funny and very polite even when asked tough questions. Said this is the best locker room by far that he has ever been a part of.

I want the Lions to win with Goff at QB.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jared Goff during his last 9 games of the season: 209-of-306 (68.3%), 2,397 yards, 15 TD, 0 INT. The Lions went 7-2.

For the season, he finished 6th in total pass yards (4,438), 5th in TD passes (29) and 2nd in interception % (1.2%).

 

[Dez]

Jared Goff during his last 9 games of the season: 209-of-306 (68.3%), 2,397 yards, 15 TD, 0 INT. The Lions went 7-2.

For the season, he finished 6th in total pass yards (4,438), 5th in TD passes (29) and 2nd in interception % (1.2%).

I dropped this guy week 8 to pick up D Watson as my backup QB for Jalen Hurts on my RTS team it only cost me $22,000.

I finished 8th place out of 5,000+ teams that paid $3K I would have finished 3rd with Goff for 25K

 

[nysfl2]

Jared Goff during his last 9 games of the season: 209-of-306 (68.3%), 2,397 yards, 15 TD, 0 INT. The Lions went 7-2.

For the season, he finished 6th in total pass yards (4,438), 5th in TD passes (29) and 2nd in interception % (1.2%).

He's also only 28, and is signed for two more years on what is now a fairly reasonable contract for a starting QB (cap hit of $30 mil/yr)

 

[BobbyLayne]

When the Lions first got Goff I just thought he would be a one and done type QB here.

Watching him now week in and week out Goff is a pretty solid QB. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Herbert don`t come around often. Hurts and Lawrence are up and comers, Brady, Rodgers are old, Wilson is washed up, Stafford is banged up and getting older, Jackson is always hurt, Watson gets too many massages.

Goff is much better than I thought he was and just turned 28. Right now he around #6 overall in NFL QB stats. Could be in much worse shape.

Brad Holmes said today that Jared Goff is our QB for next season without a doubt, and was very happy with his play.

Said in the NFL it is much easier to get worse at the QB position than better. I agree with that 100%.

Heard Goff today on The Ticket. Goffs weekly deal with The Ticket expired after last week but he called and said he would do a year end interview with Karsch and Anderson at the same time as normal.

If you have listened to Goff every week you have to like this guy. Stand up guy talking about the teams ups and downs, never excuses, both funny and very polite even when asked tough questions. Said this is the best locker room by far that he has ever been a part of.

I want the Lions to win with Goff at QB.

One thing I heard someone say this week was "do you really want to turn this offense over to a rookie rn?" Like seriously, why would you do that in the middle of the rebuild.

Doesn't preclude them from drafting a QB at some point. But rn the thing holding them back from being a division title contender is entirely on the other side of the ball.

 

[CalBear]

When the Lions first got Goff I just thought he would be a one and done type QB here.

Watching him now week in and week out Goff is a pretty solid QB. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Herbert don`t come around often. Hurts and Lawrence are up and comers, Brady, Rodgers are old, Wilson is washed up, Stafford is banged up and getting older, Jackson is always hurt, Watson gets too many massages.

Goff is much better than I thought he was and just turned 28. Right now he around #6 overall in NFL QB stats. Could be in much worse shape.

Brad Holmes said today that Jared Goff is our QB for next season without a doubt, and was very happy with his play.

Said in the NFL it is much easier to get worse at the QB position than better. I agree with that 100%.

Heard Goff today on The Ticket. Goffs weekly deal with The Ticket expired after last week but he called and said he would do a year end interview with Karsch and Anderson at the same time as normal.

If you have listened to Goff every week you have to like this guy. Stand up guy talking about the teams ups and downs, never excuses, both funny and very polite even when asked tough questions. Said this is the best locker room by far that he has ever been a part of.

I want the Lions to win with Goff at QB.

Gotta say as a Cal fan, I was really hoping Seattle would lose this weekend, so I could root for Goff over Rodgers unambivalently on Sunday night. Goff is a pretty good guy. Rodgers is...not.

 

[Da Guru]

When the Lions first got Goff I just thought he would be a one and done type QB here.

Watching him now week in and week out Goff is a pretty solid QB. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Herbert don`t come around often. Hurts and Lawrence are up and comers, Brady, Rodgers are old, Wilson is washed up, Stafford is banged up and getting older, Jackson is always hurt, Watson gets too many massages.

Goff is much better than I thought he was and just turned 28. Right now he around #6 overall in NFL QB stats. Could be in much worse shape.

Brad Holmes said today that Jared Goff is our QB for next season without a doubt, and was very happy with his play.

Said in the NFL it is much easier to get worse at the QB position than better. I agree with that 100%.

Heard Goff today on The Ticket. Goffs weekly deal with The Ticket expired after last week but he called and said he would do a year end interview with Karsch and Anderson at the same time as normal.

If you have listened to Goff every week you have to like this guy. Stand up guy talking about the teams ups and downs, never excuses, both funny and very polite even when asked tough questions. Said this is the best locker room by far that he has ever been a part of.

I want the Lions to win with Goff at QB.

One thing I heard someone say this week was "do you really want to turn this offense over to a rookie rn?" Like seriously, why would you do that in the middle of the rebuild.

Doesn't preclude them from drafting a QB at some point. But rn the thing holding them back from being a division title contender is entirely on the other side of the ball.

The thing is the Lions are not in a rebuild anymore. They are ready to take the next step. 10-7 is attainable next season. Goff is under contract for 2 more years so let that play out. Goff was a top 6-7 QB this season. I don`t think there is a rookie or FA that would step in and do better.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Ben Johnson gets a lot of deserved credit for his play calling, but Mark Brunell has to get some also as the QB coach for both years of Goff in Detroit.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Ben Johnson gets a lot of deserved credit for his play calling, but Mark Brunell has to get some also as the QB coach for both years of Goff in Detroit.

Goff spends way more time with Brunell than Johnson. He doesn’t have much of a resume (coached a few years of h.s. ball around Jax) but he’s been a good fit for Goff.

Tanner Engstrand (TE Coach & passing game coordinator) might have the inside track to be the next OC if we lose Ben. Then again he might be Johnson’s OC lol. He’s been involved in all the schematic stuff since OTAs and they basically groomed him for promotion.

 

[Snotbubbles]

When the Lions first got Goff I just thought he would be a one and done type QB here.

Watching him now week in and week out Goff is a pretty solid QB. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Herbert don`t come around often. Hurts and Lawrence are up and comers, Brady, Rodgers are old, Wilson is washed up, Stafford is banged up and getting older, Jackson is always hurt, Watson gets too many massages.

Goff is much better than I thought he was and just turned 28. Right now he around #6 overall in NFL QB stats. Could be in much worse shape.

Brad Holmes said today that Jared Goff is our QB for next season without a doubt, and was very happy with his play.

Said in the NFL it is much easier to get worse at the QB position than better. I agree with that 100%.

Heard Goff today on The Ticket. Goffs weekly deal with The Ticket expired after last week but he called and said he would do a year end interview with Karsch and Anderson at the same time as normal.

If you have listened to Goff every week you have to like this guy. Stand up guy talking about the teams ups and downs, never excuses, both funny and very polite even when asked tough questions. Said this is the best locker room by far that he has ever been a part of.

I want the Lions to win with Goff at QB.

One thing I heard someone say this week was "do you really want to turn this offense over to a rookie rn?" Like seriously, why would you do that in the middle of the rebuild.

Doesn't preclude them from drafting a QB at some point. But rn the thing holding them back from being a division title contender is entirely on the other side of the ball.

The thing is the Lions are not in a rebuild anymore. They are ready to take the next step. 10-7 is attainable next season. Goff is under contract for 2 more years so let that play out. Goff was a top 6-7 QB this season. I don`t think there is a rookie or FA that would step in and do better.

I like Goff and think he could have the Lions competing for division titles, but I don't think he'll ever be the starting QB of a Superbowl winning team. No guts, no glory. The Eagles for example, drafted Jalen Hurts even though they had Carson Wentz signed long-term. Draft a guy now, spend a year behind Goff and maybe you got your guy for the next decade.

 

[BobbyLayne]

1-13 playoff record [since the merger], only team that’s been around the entire era but never been to a Super Bowl.

Am I nuts for thinking linear? How about we win our first division title in 30 years or first playoff game in 32 years? Those seem like pretty lofty goals.

Goff is coming off a Pro Bowl level year but let’s replace him bc he once lost a SB? lol I don’t know, I kind of like the idea of focusing on roster construction. We can win the division with Jared Goff. WHICH IS A BFD for this franchise.

 

[Snotbubbles]

1-13 playoff record [since the merger], only team that’s been around the entire era but never been to a Super Bowl.

Am I nuts for thinking linear? How about we win our first division title in 30 years or first playoff game in 32 years? Those seem like pretty lofty goals.

Goff is coming off a Pro Bowl level year but let’s replace him bc he once lost a SB? lol I don’t know, I kind of like the idea of focusing on roster construction. We can win the division with Jared Goff. WHICH IS A BFD for this franchise.

Loser mentality. The Eagles were 9-8 last year. This year they were arguably the best team in the NFL. Things change fast.

 

[Insein]

If I was the Lions and I liked one of the QB prospects, Jared Goff would not stop me from drafting them.

 

[TartanLion]

Ben Johnson gets a lot of deserved credit for his play calling, but Mark Brunell has to get some also as the QB coach for both years of Goff in Detroit.

Goff spends way more time with Brunell than Johnson. He doesn’t have much of a resume (coached a few years of h.s. ball around Jax) but he’s been a good fit for Goff.

Tanner Engstrand (TE Coach & passing game coordinator) might have the inside track to be the next OC if we lose Ben. Then again he might be Johnson’s OC lol. He’s been involved in all the schematic stuff since OTAs and they basically groomed him for promotion.

Always wondered about this type of thing. Got a good scheme and a good O ? Always be preparing someone else to be ready to step up if the OC goes and make the transition as smooth as possible. Glad we have some irons in the fire

 

[Snotbubbles]

If I was the Lions and I liked one of the QB prospects, Jared Goff would not stop me from drafting them.

Yup. If Howie Roseman was the Lions GM and he though CJ Stroud or Bryce Young or Will Levis was the next stud QB, somehow, someway, they'd be on the Eagles. Man I love Roseman, sometimes his moves don't pay off, but at least he takes his shot.

 

[BobbyLayne]

If I was the Lions and I liked one of the QB prospects, Jared Goff would not stop me from drafting them.

Yup. If Howie Roseman was the Lions GM and he though CJ Stroud or Bryce Young or Will Levis was the next stud QB, somehow, someway, they'd be on the Eagles. Man I love Roseman, sometimes his moves don't pay off, but at least he takes his shot.

Brad Holmes has already said that’s one of the options they’re considering. Said yesterday that’s a proven model, look at Mahomes or Rodgers.

Seems like I’m repeating myself. Oh wait, I am.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Maybe the Lions just need the right backup to win a super bowl. Is Nick Foles still playing?

 

[Da Guru]

If I was the Lions and I liked one of the QB prospects, Jared Goff would not stop me from drafting them.

Yup. If Howie Roseman was the Lions GM and he though CJ Stroud or Bryce Young or Will Levis was the next stud QB, somehow, someway, they'd be on the Eagles. Man I love Roseman, sometimes his moves don't pay off, but at least he takes his shot.

Young and Stroud will be gone, not sold on Levis.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Maybe the Lions just need the right backup to win a super bowl. Is Nick Foles still playing?

Upgrade to the backup QB would be nice. Been a minute since we had a capable QB.

Gardner Minshew went 0-2 but just look at Purdy. If Goff went down in 2022 no way we were gonna win with Sudfeld.) Years before was Blough, Stafford’s last backup was Chase Daniel.

Backup QBs aren’t cheap, $6-8M is a serious allocation, but stakes are higher for 2023. Nobody really cared when we were gonna be cellar dwellers anyway, but next year should (hopefully) be a 11-13 win division title contender.

 

[BobbyLayne]

If I was the Lions and I liked one of the QB prospects, Jared Goff would not stop me from drafting them.

Yup. If Howie Roseman was the Lions GM and he though CJ Stroud or Bryce Young or Will Levis was the next stud QB, somehow, someway, they'd be on the Eagles. Man I love Roseman, sometimes his moves don't pay off, but at least he takes his shot.

Young and Stroud will be gone, not sold on Levis.

Levis reminds me a bit of Zach Wilson in that his tape isn’t that impressive but damn that arm looks good snapping off crisp throws to guys running around in shorts.

 

[Mingooch]

Levis isnt built like a 12 year old boy unlike Zach.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If I was the Lions and I liked one of the QB prospects, Jared Goff would not stop me from drafting them.

Yup. If Howie Roseman was the Lions GM and he though CJ Stroud or Bryce Young or Will Levis was the next stud QB, somehow, someway, they'd be on the Eagles. Man I love Roseman, sometimes his moves don't pay off, but at least he takes his shot.

Young and Stroud will be gone, not sold on Levis.

Levis reminds me a bit of Zach Wilson in that his tape isn’t that impressive but damn that arm looks good snapping off crisp throws to guys running around in shorts.

It’s exactly the vibes I’m getting. Keep seeing practice video of him throwing 60 on a rope across his body in shorts.

Then I watch game video and he’s busy not seeing the safety who was clearly coming over the middle to pick him off.

 

[Da Guru]

When the Lions first got Goff I just thought he would be a one and done type QB here.

Watching him now week in and week out Goff is a pretty solid QB. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Herbert don`t come around often. Hurts and Lawrence are up and comers, Brady, Rodgers are old, Wilson is washed up, Stafford is banged up and getting older, Jackson is always hurt, Watson gets too many massages.

Goff is much better than I thought he was and just turned 28. Right now he around #6 overall in NFL QB stats. Could be in much worse shape.

Brad Holmes said today that Jared Goff is our QB for next season without a doubt, and was very happy with his play.

Said in the NFL it is much easier to get worse at the QB position than better. I agree with that 100%.

Heard Goff today on The Ticket. Goffs weekly deal with The Ticket expired after last week but he called and said he would do a year end interview with Karsch and Anderson at the same time as normal.

If you have listened to Goff every week you have to like this guy. Stand up guy talking about the teams ups and downs, never excuses, both funny and very polite even when asked tough questions. Said this is the best locker room by far that he has ever been a part of.

I want the Lions to win with Goff at QB.

One thing I heard someone say this week was "do you really want to turn this offense over to a rookie rn?" Like seriously, why would you do that in the middle of the rebuild.

Doesn't preclude them from drafting a QB at some point. But rn the thing holding them back from being a division title contender is entirely on the other side of the ball.

The thing is the Lions are not in a rebuild anymore. They are ready to take the next step. 10-7 is attainable next season. Goff is under contract for 2 more years so let that play out. Goff was a top 6-7 QB this season. I don`t think there is a rookie or FA that would step in and do better.

I like Goff and think he could have the Lions competing for division titles, but I don't think he'll ever be the starting QB of a Superbowl winning team. No guts, no glory. The Eagles for example, drafted Jalen Hurts even though they had Carson Wentz signed long-term. Draft a guy now, spend a year behind Goff and maybe you got your guy for the next decade.

If I was the Lions and I liked one of the QB prospects, Jared Goff would not stop me from drafting them.

Yup. If Howie Roseman was the Lions GM and he though CJ Stroud or Bryce Young or Will Levis was the next stud QB, somehow, someway, they'd be on the Eagles. Man I love Roseman, sometimes his moves don't pay off, but at least he takes his shot.

Young and Stroud will be gone, not sold on Levis.

Levis reminds me a bit of Zach Wilson in that his tape isn’t that impressive but damn that arm looks good snapping off crisp throws to guys running around in shorts.

It’s exactly the vibes I’m getting. Keep seeing practice video of him throwing 60 on a rope across his body in shorts.

Then I watch game video and he’s busy not seeing the safety who was clearly coming over the middle to pick him off.

We talking Jamarcus Russell potential?

 

[Chaka]

PFT points out Goff has massively outplayed his contract and suggests Goff may (should) want an adjustment.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

We talking Jamarcus Russell potential?

Amazingly there are guys on YouTube and elsewhere un-ironically saying “he can throw 60 yards from his knees!”

Which is literally what scouts were saying about Russell.

 

[Da Guru]

PFT points out Goff has massively outplayed his contract and suggests Goff may (should) want an adjustment.

Goff gets 30 million a year the next two years.

They can go two years and tag him a year if they want to move on.

 

[BobbyLayne]

PFT points out Goff has massively outplayed his contract and suggests Goff may (should) want an adjustment.

Goff gets 30 million a year the next two years.

They can go two years and tag him a year if they want to move on.

And $10M is from restructuring. Cash outlay for the next two is only $25.65m and $26.65m (cap hit is 30.65 & 31.65.)

 

[Chaka]

PFT points out Goff has massively outplayed his contract and suggests Goff may (should) want an adjustment.

Goff gets 30 million a year the next two years.

They can go two years and tag him a year if they want to move on.

And $10M is from restructuring. Cash outlay for the next two is only $25.65m and $26.65m (cap hit is 30.65 & 31.65.)

And he has outplayed that compensation. Point being he has a case for a restructure, just because the Lions don't have to doesn't mean they shouldn't.

They need Goff locked in mentally and a 100% participant in the entire off-season program. He's not good enough to stay away while hoping for an adjustment and simply come in after TC closes and expect to perform at the same level.

Lions fans should be clamoring for the team to do right by Goff.

 

[Foosball God]

PFT points out Goff has massively outplayed his contract and suggests Goff may (should) want an adjustment.

Goff gets 30 million a year the next two years.

They can go two years and tag him a year if they want to move on.

And $10M is from restructuring. Cash outlay for the next two is only $25.65m and $26.65m (cap hit is 30.65 & 31.65.)

And he has outplayed that compensation. Point being he has a case for a restructure, just because the Lions don't have to doesn't mean they shouldn't.

They need Goff locked in mentally and a 100% participant in the entire off-season program. He's not good enough to stay away while hoping for an adjustment and simply come in after TC closes and expect to perform at the same level.

Lions fans should be clamoring for the team to do right by Goff.

He's the 11th highest paid QB, I think he's being fairly compensated for now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He's the 11th highest paid QB, I think he's being fairly compensated for now.

This is the only reason I believe the Lions could take a QB at 6.

It sucks, but it’s part of the business.

They look like a team on the rise, having barely missed the playoffs - so for FF purposes I hope they sign him & keep the party going

 

[jon_mx]

There is no reason Goff can not win Super Bowls. There are a dozen of Super Bowl winning QB' who Goff is better than.

 

[Da Guru]

PFT points out Goff has massively outplayed his contract and suggests Goff may (should) want an adjustment.

Goff gets 30 million a year the next two years.

They can go two years and tag him a year if they want to move on.

And $10M is from restructuring. Cash outlay for the next two is only $25.65m and $26.65m (cap hit is 30.65 & 31.65.)

And he has outplayed that compensation. Point being he has a case for a restructure, just because the Lions don't have to doesn't mean they shouldn't.

They need Goff locked in mentally and a 100% participant in the entire off-season program. He's not good enough to stay away while hoping for an adjustment and simply come in after TC closes and expect to perform at the same level.

Lions fans should be clamoring for the team to do right by Goff.

Pretty sure this will not be addressed until after next season.

 

[Faust]

Lions GM Brad Holmes said Jared Goff is "our starter".​

Holmes didn't rule out the Lions drafting a quarterback, but he quickly pivoted to highlighting the team's need for a better backup quarterback. Nate Sudfeld served as the team's backup quarterback in 2022 but is not under contract for the upcoming season. Detroit has two first-round picks in the draft, No. 6 and No. 18, so they will have plenty of opportunities to take a quarterback if that is the move they decide on. With Goff's cap number sitting just above $30 million in each of the next two seasons, the Lions could take a quarterback this year, sit him behind Goff, and move on from the veteran in 2024. They could just as easily ride Goff's contract out if they see him as the future of their franchise.
SOURCE: Brad Galli on Twitter
Mar 1, 2023, 1:19 PM ET