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QB Jaxson Dart, NYG (1 Viewer)

I'm guessing they keep it conservative. New Orleans seemed like the most natural matchup, if not later in the season. Maybe it makes sense to get him some seasoning in a "nothing to lose" matchup leading into New Orleans.

If he survives physically, I'm not sure I really subscribe to the theory that he'll be emotionally stunted beyond repair. He's taking over an 0-3 team from a Super Bowl winning QB that couldn't even give his receivers a chance to make a play on 4th & goal. Keep your chin up and learn from your mistakes against some of the top defenses the NFL has to offer. There will be better days ahead.


For fantasy, I can't believe I actually timed the pre-emptive add correctly in my Superflex. With a QB room of Tua, Flacco, McCarthy, and Mariota, I could sure use a viable double-digit scorer if he can make any plays on his feet or in garbage time. I think I'm starting Flacco or a non-QB option over him in his debut, so I'm not exactly bullish on his week 4 outlook.
 
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Anyone throwing FAAB at him this week? I imagine he's widely owned in dynasty, and probably even SF; so more of a 1QB redraft side. With all of the injuries and underperforming QBs, hard not to fantasize a bit about his upside. I mean at the very least, we don't really KNOW he's going to stink despite the Giants other issues lol. Russ had a hell of a game week 2 fantasy wise. Not that you'd add him and start him this week either, but I have several leagues where I'm strongly considering cutting a bad/injured backup to take a swing. Just not sure what to bid... Also doesn't help I'm in the north east, so if I actually want him, it can't be some 5-10% of FAAB to win. If he can just not turn the ball over, run for his life for 30-40 yards and slide to safety, and throw it in Nabers general direction 15 times a game, he'll probably be ~ QB15 or so with how this year is unfolding so far.
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Yeppp... I have Justin Fields/Tyrod Taylor with no back up QB because I haven't been able to land anyone solid... can't trust either of these guys at this point so I need to take a chance on a QB that I like the talent and his potential to be a solid starter in case I need to more than "Spot" start him. Also, there is nothing on waivers in my league
 
TheDirtyWord said:
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TheDirtyWord said:
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Faust said:
Wesley Steinberg
Sources: #Giants HC Brian Daboll met with ownership this morning to request making rookie Jaxson Dart the starting QB.
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Wesley is a way too convincing parody account, its written right on the edge of being believable
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I believe that wilson does have a somewhat short leash, but not THAT short.

I'd say they would give him a couple more games to see if he can right the ship.
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IMO, Daboll/Schoen need a win, and fast. And I'm, not talking getting to 1-1. Yes, that would help.

But this regime...

- Kicking off their partnership, used the 5th/7th picks in the 22 Draft to select Evan Neal & Kayvon Thibodeaux.
- Followed that up in 2023 with the selection of Deonte Banks. Their performance on Day 2 has been similarly distressing.
- Decided to invest in Daniel Jones instead of Saquon Barkley. Whether that's the 'actual' case...it certainly can be or is perceived that way.
- Broadcast the walking away from Saquon on Hard Knocks which really cratered any potential for an offseason type Hard Knocks to have a Season 2.
- After signing Jones, QB's have ranked; 32nd in TD passes, 31st in passing yards.
- In order to fix the QB situation, brought in Russell Wilson/Jamies Winston...and immediately anointed Wilson the starter. Why?
- Watched the exiled Jones kill it in IND in Week 1 while their anointed veteran starter that was supposed to provide a better level of QB play tanked...unsurprisingly.

...at the same time, all reports out of NYG training camp were of the 'Dart was much further along' variety and it was clear that he generated a spark, optimism and enthusiasm. And we're talking about a QB who has 45 career college starts if I'm not mistaken.

From my POV, Daboll/Schoen have long ago used up their credibility and the idea of Russell Wilson righting a ship seems far-fetched at best. I don't know if Daboll is thinking he's putting Darts needs above his own. But let's look at NE last year...the narrative was ' oh, you can't put Drake Maye behind that OL'. They waited until , what Week 6? Low and behold, hindsight being 20/20...Maye probably could have started from the jump. In Atlanta, while they had invested in Cousins...Penix had tons of college experience and probably could have started from the jump if the situation allowed for it.

The only reason IMO Dart isn't starting THIS week is that it's away game, and they'd prefer a friendlier environment to have him play his first game. And even that seems flimsy.
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your comments are fair.

I also think the other reason dart doesnt start is the O line in New York is terrible. I dont think you are helping his development by putting him behind a leaky line.

I know everyone wants to see the kid, but the best move is to wait until mid season (at the very least)

Let the kid learn a thing or two by watching the games. then start him against an opponent that has a weaker defense so he can get some confidence.

my 2 cents. for whatever that is worth.
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I hear you...

The one thing I would say is that Daboll isn't just Dart's coach...he is the coach of the New York Giants. There was a lot of buzz around the talent on this team being able to actually do some damage this year if they could get solid QB play. That obviously didn't happen Week 1, but it's a continuation of a 2 year trend.

That fact remains, we all know (including Daboll IMO) who Russell Wilson and Jamies Winston are at this point in their careers. And for a team that illicited quite a few 'dark horse' type predictions...continued bad QB likely won't be tolerated outside AND inside of that locker room.
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Buzz where? I'm not sure I saw anyone but the most loyal fans predicting even a wildcard
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Well, let me ask you this. Take QB away...would you rather have the Falcons roster or the Giants?
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Falcons hands down.
 
zeeshan2 said:
RaidersAreOne said:
The Giants face some of the most elite defensive minds over the next 5 games. Total trial by fire.
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the Giants next 6 games are Chargers, at Saints, Eagles, Broncos, Eagles again, and Niners
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ouch. that is a lot of tough games.

Game against the saints might be ok. Broncos..... maybe.
The rest of those are tough matchups. Niners lost Bosa so they may be an ok matchup but probably still pretty tough for a rookie.
 
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Runkle said:
RIP

This line is going to get him injured and the defenses are going to destroy his confidence. Couldn't they sacrifice Jameis instead?
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Nah, he’s elusive .. That’s part of his game. He’s got a little Patty Mahomes in him with his spatial awareness.
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elusive helps if one guy gets through. the whole line isnt much more than a turnstile.

when multiple players get through It usually doesnt matter how elusive you are. There are limits to how much that will help you.
 
Runkle said:
RIP

This line is going to get him injured and the defenses are going to destroy his confidence. Couldn't they sacrifice Jameis instead?
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Dart is a little shifty. I'm sure he'll make mistakes but he could surprise. I think he'll buy more time to throw than Russ was.

ETA: I'd have Chargers D in my lineup well before I'd have Dart in it. But hopefully he can avoid being completely murdered this weekendend, that would be a win.
 
Really solid debut from Dart but losing Nabers obviously hurts his outlook a lot. Could still be a poor man’s Justin Fields for fantasy.
 
Jaxson Dart completed 13-of-20 passes for 111 yards and a touchdown in the Giants’ 21-18, Week 4 win over the Chargers, adding 10 carries for 54 yards and a score.

Dart’s first start was a wire-to-wire upset of the road-favored Chargers with approximately 19 different subplots. The biggest and most unfortunate was Malik Nabers’ second quarter knee injury, which is believed to be a torn ACL. That’s a massive setback for Dart before he even really gets going, but he still managed to game-manage the G-Men to the upset this afternoon. In between, he suffered a hamstring injury of his own while also requiring a concussion evaluation. Dart, obviously, played through the minor hammy issue, but he confirmed this is going to be the wildest of rides. That is especially true with Nabers now lost for the year. Dart’s dual-threat is going to keep him fantasy-relevant, but he is going to have to lean on it even more than expected. His rushing score today was a 15-yard designed quarterback draw. That’s the good stuff. The Saints are the softest of Week 5 road matchups.
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If you saw the game thread, the concussion evaluation was based of the spotter making a mistake.
 
I was super happy I picked him up last week right up until Nabers went down. I can't see the rest of the WR's taking the top off and now they'll bottle up that run game.
 
Yeah, this is what he is right now? I don't know, man. They ran the ball an awful lot and he only threw 20 times? He rushed the ball like 10-12 times and Skattebo went 25-79??

For real.

Ooh boy. I do not know about this.
 
Jalen Hurts he is not (though I think he thinks he is). And the NYG do not have Philly's legendary O-line. Keep running it kid, you'll get your back snapped in half.
 
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Jalen Hurts he is not (though I think he thinks he is). And the NYG do not have Philly's legendary O-line. Keep running it kid, you'll get your back snapped in half.
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That's what Jon Gruden said to him. And Daboll calling all those runs? Oh boy. I think maybe we're hoping against hope for positive outcomes that aren't likely to happen. Kid might get really hurt instead. I watched part of the game, and I was pretty surprised over the hubbub he was receiving.

I stink at evaluating QBs, but so do the NFL guys at times. I fear this is one of those times. Maybe? All I know is Sam Monson of PFF was calling him "Tebow." That ain't good.
 
Losing L. Jackson in a superflex league and with Mariota probably expiring means Dart could be my starter this week.
 
He looked good at the start today, and then the team let him down and I think he tried to do too much.

The fumble was absolutely bizarre, just dropped it running in the open

First pick was a 4th down gloried punt, the second pick, Beau Collins just stopped running on his route for some reason and he threw it right to a defender where he should have been.

Lots of bad drops

None of this necessarily portends for better days, it reminds of the days of Danny Dimes throwing to practice squaders

Now he gets the Eagles on a short week off a loss

I do think there's a player here, I just hope the team doesn't break him. The Drew Lock stuff is crazy to me, but we all see guys differently, he's a world better but this team will make you nuts
 
He looks good out there. He’s a FA in some of my leagues and I chose Stafford in one, decided to stick with Herbert in another, and have Maye in the last. Maybe I’d switch Herbert for him? That rushing upside is hard to ignore.
 
Looked like he was going to have a huge game but he didn’t do much after the first quarter as it was all Skatt. Very nice start to Dart’s career.
 
Jaxson Dart completed 17-of-25 passes for 195 yards and a touchdown in the Giants’ 34-17, Week 6 win over the Eagles, adding 13 carries for 58 yards and a second score.

Everyone’s favorite new dual-threat reached 10 carries for the second time in three NFL starts, both upset victories over supposedly far superior teams. (Never mind last Sunday’s loss to the Saints.) Whereas the G-Men merely outlasted the Chargers in Week 4, they took it to the Eagles this evening, going up 13-3 10 minutes into the first quarter and out-scoring Philly 14-0 in the second half. Dart’s Newton-ian usage was a big reason why, though it’s downsides were also evident. Dart took a vicious second half pop to his left shoulder that resulted in yet another concussion evaluation. Bizarrely, coach Brian Daboll seemed to be yelling at the medical staff about the matter. Either way, Dart missed only a handful of plays and the Giants went back on their merry way. In addition to the running, this was Dart’s best overall night as a passer despite a limited supporting cast that required an unfathomable eight Lil’Jordan Humphrey targets. No offense to the big man. Dart completed 68 percent of his throws with a 7.8 YPA. If he can approach that efficiency while churning out gains with his legs, Dart is going to be pushing for QB1 status. Week 7 in Denver is a huge road test vs. an elite defense.
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LOL. I have him as a backup to Jalen Hurts, which nobody cares about but Hurts cost a pretty penny in draft capital in redraft and Dart cost nothing off of the wire and a week’s worth of holding.

Kid needs to (I shouldn’t call him kid, but everything about him with Moms, Pops, and Daboll playing soccer pops screams it) cool it and slide and he’s potentially going to dance in the pocket to a wicked blindside sack, but he has them moving the football.
 
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