Wingnut
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If reading defenses and calling audibles is something a team wants in a QB, then Jimmy ain't it.
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If reading defenses and calling audibles is something a team wants in a QB, then Jimmy ain't it.
Wingnut
Footballguy
49ers overplayed their hand with Jimmy Garoppolo.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/156876-allbright-49ers-overplayed-hand-jimmy-garoppolo/
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/156876-allbright-49ers-overplayed-hand-jimmy-garoppolo/
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And there it is. JimmyG should have been a Colt, but the late shoulder surgery scared them off.
wtg, Jimmy.
wtg, Jimmy.
joey
Footballguy
The Jimmy/Lance story is one of the weirdest I can remember. Fan opinions irrational and all over the place (at least on Bay Area sports radio), the reporting is all over the place too. Faust's last 2 posts are literally a microcosm of this whole story.
1. "The Athletic's Matt Barrows reports that for the last week Jimmy Garoppolo's market has "been Indianapolis and ... Indianapolis.""
and a week later,
2. "ESPN's Dianna Russini reports the Colts didn't pursue Jimmy Garoppolo (shoulder surgery) because of his recovery timeline."
I know a lot has changed in Indy with them trading for Matt Ryan (love that move for Indy) but we go from "Indy is very interested” to “actually, they weren’t interested at all because of his surgery". Um…I think Indy knew about the surgery a week earlier. It’s just so much b.s. that I, like most other football fans, just want this whole story to go away.
And then in the Trey Lance thread it’s quotes about 9ers leadership not sure if they’re committed to Trey. A dude they paid a boatload of draft picks for. I mean, come on!
the 9ers said what their plan was all along: Jimmy was their starter last year and Trey is a raw project with upside. They follow that plan to a playoff run and people still question why they aren’t starting Trey. Wtf? So they say what their plan is and when they follow it people wondering why they’re not doing something different.
ok, I’m gonna stop there since there are so many hypocritical and irrational arguments on this situation playing out in reports and such that it’s exhausting. I have the added torture of being a Raiders fan in the Bay Area, so I’m stuck with this talk on local sports radio, but now I just turn it off if they’re talking about Jimmy/Trey.
/rant. Sorry
1. "The Athletic's Matt Barrows reports that for the last week Jimmy Garoppolo's market has "been Indianapolis and ... Indianapolis.""
and a week later,
2. "ESPN's Dianna Russini reports the Colts didn't pursue Jimmy Garoppolo (shoulder surgery) because of his recovery timeline."
I know a lot has changed in Indy with them trading for Matt Ryan (love that move for Indy) but we go from "Indy is very interested” to “actually, they weren’t interested at all because of his surgery". Um…I think Indy knew about the surgery a week earlier. It’s just so much b.s. that I, like most other football fans, just want this whole story to go away.
And then in the Trey Lance thread it’s quotes about 9ers leadership not sure if they’re committed to Trey. A dude they paid a boatload of draft picks for. I mean, come on!
the 9ers said what their plan was all along: Jimmy was their starter last year and Trey is a raw project with upside. They follow that plan to a playoff run and people still question why they aren’t starting Trey. Wtf? So they say what their plan is and when they follow it people wondering why they’re not doing something different.
ok, I’m gonna stop there since there are so many hypocritical and irrational arguments on this situation playing out in reports and such that it’s exhausting. I have the added torture of being a Raiders fan in the Bay Area, so I’m stuck with this talk on local sports radio, but now I just turn it off if they’re talking about Jimmy/Trey.
/rant. Sorry
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sort of.The Jimmy/Lance story is one of the weirdest I can remember. Fan opinions irrational and all over the place (at least on Bay Area sports radio), the reporting is all over the place too. Faust's last 2 posts are literally a microcosm of this whole story.
1. "The Athletic's Matt Barrows reports that for the last week Jimmy Garoppolo's market has "been Indianapolis and ... Indianapolis.""
and a week later,
2. "ESPN's Dianna Russini reports the Colts didn't pursue Jimmy Garoppolo (shoulder surgery) because of his recovery timeline."
I know a lot has changed in Indy with them trading for Matt Ryan (love that move for Indy) but we go from "Indy is very interested” to “actually, they weren’t interested at all because of his surgery". Um…I think Indy knew about the surgery a week earlier. It’s just so much b.s. that I, like most other football fans, just want this whole story to go away.
And then in the Trey Lance thread it’s quotes about 9ers leadership not sure if they’re committed to Trey. A dude they paid a boatload of draft picks for. I mean, come on!
the 9ers said what their plan was all along: Jimmy was their starter last year and Trey is a raw project with upside. They follow that plan to a playoff run and people still question why they aren’t starting Trey. Wtf? So they say what their plan is and when they follow it people wondering why they’re not doing something different.
ok, I’m gonna stop there since there are so many hypocritical and irrational arguments on this situation playing out in reports and such that it’s exhausting. I have the added torture of being a Raiders fan in the Bay Area, so I’m stuck with this talk on local sports radio, but now I just turn it off if they’re talking about Jimmy/Trey.
/rant. Sorry
Here’s how I see it:
Colts were going to go after JimmyG or Marcus Mariota (who they were connected to 1st, out of the gate after they dealt Wentz)
JimmyG’s surgery was not a mystery, no. But the recovery timeline emerged later. It was initially described as a clean-up. Then it came out that he wouldn’t be throwing until June/July and teams got spooked.
And rightfully so.
So both things are true: the Colts were the primary suitor for JimmyG. Then the Colts found out his recovery would put them in a terrible position if he had a setback, so they looked elsewhere.
And then the Watson chaos, and then the subsequent fallout of ATL finally realizing “oh, wait. We can trade Ryan? Huh.”
in between, the Colts were again connected to MM, which was described as imminent.
Then the Colts had the opportunity to get Ryan as their win-now/bridge guy, the falcons picked up MM as their “early pick” bridge guy, and the Niners were left holding the bag without a chair when the music stopped.
Re: Lance, I’ve heard so many conflicting stories. To be clear, from everything I’ve seen, there isn’t a direct quote from anyone in Niners leadership, management or coaching who had publicly said Lance sucks, or Lance wasn’t worth the deal.
The consistent drum beat is that they got exactly who they thought they were getting when they dealt up to get him, and they’re thrilled with his progress.
That’s it. That’s the gist of what we know about Lance. The rest is sportswriters who have to make a living. Fans who want JimmyG to stay after “leading” the team to the playoffs. It’s a lot of smoke and I can’t find a fire.
The “Lance isn’t ready” is coming from the talking heads on television & radio. It started with questions like, “they were just a playoff team, what if Lance isn’t ready? They should keep Jimmy!!” And that concerned question evolved to “sources say Lance isn’t ready. Do the Niners have to keep Jimmy?!” Which then evolved to, “Niners are trading Jimmy, but all the talk has been about how not ready Lance is.”
Its the media feeding itself, IMO.
Now, that said, is Lance ready? Hell if I know. I sure hope so, because he has “all the tools”, as they say. He looks physically imposing, he’s fast, he has a cannon, and reportedly he can throw with touch & accuracy too.
Does he know the playbook?
Can he read a defense?
Can he make his check down progressions?
Best way to find out is to play him & see what happens. No one was expecting the Niners to make the playoffs when they dealt all that capital to move up for Lance, so I’m hard pressed to see putting the “playoffs or bust” pressure on Lance that the media & fans seem way too eager to do.
Let the kid play & we’ll know how good he is. And give him the shot at OTJ training to see how he develops.
Everything else is just noise. Well, that and JimmyG’s timing for his shoulder procedure.
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Nobody is happier about it than Colts fans.And there it is. JimmyG should have been a Colt, but the late shoulder surgery scared them off.
wtg, Jimmy.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Nah. Its the Rams & Bucs.
Niners window opens when the Rams budget catches up with them & Brady retires for real.
Now’s the time to build a bully for next year, and get Lance up to speed.
I wouldn't write off Green Bay just yet. Adams is a sizeable loss, but at the same time, the OL should be a ton better with Bakhtiari and Jenkins back, and the defense gets Alexander back, and they have 2 1sts and 2 2nds. I think they'll be different, but I don't see them suddenly cratering just because Adams is gone.
Truthfully, I think Tampa is the best team, and would argue they were in 2021 as well, they were just so banged up in the playoffs.
San Fran is in the hunt, I like the Rams slightly more than them, but I could also see the Rams taking a big step back. They look quite a bit worse than they did in January, losing Miller, Whitworth, Williams, and even guys like Corbett and Joseph-Day.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I was talking to my dad about Rodgers signing knowing Adams was leaving and my dad's response was that Rodgers didn't really care about winning. He wanted to drive his price up as high as he could and pad his career numbers so he can get into the HOF by settling into the risk adverse play style that lost GB the playoff game against the 9ers. Sure, GB will likely make the playoffs based on their d, ground game, and Rodgers playing in order to not throw an interception every time instead of throwing up the prayer ball that would shift the momentum of the game. But it won't get them past the Bucs or Rams, and it didn't get them past the 9ers who this year get a fully healthy off season of everyone in their offense for the first time in forever (minus Jimmy of course).
Wingnut
Footballguy
Did John Lynch tell teams he's gotten an offer of two, second-round picks for Jimmy Garoppolo? "Not true," the 49ers GM said today. Lynch said none of the talks he's had with suitors ever reached a stage where an offer was made.
https://twitter.com/mattbarrows/status/1508507913442271232?t=IpP0EektcZoHYTSnc2AHow&s=19
https://twitter.com/mattbarrows/status/1508507913442271232?t=IpP0EektcZoHYTSnc2AHow&s=19
BoltBacker
Footballguy
The rumor had to start with SF or the agent(maybe so teams would know he expects an extension upon showing up to a new team?). I don't know how else that rumor would get started.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I dunno. If the powers in control in CAR honestly thought JimmyG would/could save their jobs they would have already made moves to fit him under their cap. When you are a 12 loss team you don't have to worry about keeping the nucleus together. The nucleus is what is getting you fired.
This reads to me, "Plan C didn't really work out for CAR so if they can get JimmyG for next to nothing they will be happy to throw him up against the wall".
This reads to me, "Plan C didn't really work out for CAR so if they can get JimmyG for next to nothing they will be happy to throw him up against the wall".
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Carolina would be a great place for G. McDoogals quick passing suits him well. Get CMac and Moore the ball in space. Jimmy was always good at handing off and throwing screens.
Seriousness, he does well getting the ball out quick. Despite his well documented faults you have to give him credit for a quick release.
Seriousness, he does well getting the ball out quick. Despite his well documented faults you have to give him credit for a quick release.
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greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Still not cleared to throw (though this supposed to happen in coming weeks) and scheduled to make 26 mil backing up Trey Lance.
I'm not cap wizard so maybe one of the smart people can help here but seems like maybe the Jimmy situation is holding up the Deebo extension.
Shoes yet to drop:
Watson suspension- if it's a full season, do the Browns get involved? Healthy Jimmy G is an upgrade over Jacoby B.
Throwing shoulder- any team taking on salary or giving up draft capital is going to want to be assured that the man can still throw a football.
So Seattle or Cleveland?
Rebuilding teams like Detroit and Houston seem like odd fits to me.
Or he just takes a pay cut and stays on as a backup?
I'm not cap wizard so maybe one of the smart people can help here but seems like maybe the Jimmy situation is holding up the Deebo extension.
Shoes yet to drop:
Watson suspension- if it's a full season, do the Browns get involved? Healthy Jimmy G is an upgrade over Jacoby B.
Throwing shoulder- any team taking on salary or giving up draft capital is going to want to be assured that the man can still throw a football.
So Seattle or Cleveland?
Rebuilding teams like Detroit and Houston seem like odd fits to me.
Or he just takes a pay cut and stays on as a backup?
zamboni
Footballguy
Seattle seems less likely as a trade destination given the division rival. Now if the 49ers just cut Jimmy, that's obviously a different story.
Cleveland could conceivably be an option if/when Watson is suspended - going with Brissett just doesn't seem viable. As with Baker and Carolina, have to think a trade obstacle would be how much of Jimmy's contract the Niners would eat.
JoeKappBudGrant
Footballguy
They need the money to extended Deebo and to sign a free agent center. Is J.C. Tretter healthy?
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
3 hours of airtime is a looong time. I don’t hate Cowherd. I find him slightly amusing. Maybe it’s the creativity.
this is a very creative take.
this is a very creative take.
Wingnut
Footballguy
As a 49er fan living in Tampa, I'd love this. Jimmy's the perfect QB to knock Buc fans back to earth after their slobfest with Brady.
It would suck for Jimmy though, having to be Bradys backup. Again.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m calling it: Jimmy Garoppolo will be a member of the Cleveland Browns. And he will fill in admirably while Watson is suspended.
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rockaction
Footballguy
This is going to sound utterly crazy, but as somebody who has Metcalf, I'd rather have Geno Smith throwing to him. Jimmy G has proven he's unreliable in both decision-making and throwing the ball. At least teams will stack the box with Smith, allowing DK freedom to move without necessarily drawing double coverage.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
efactor
Footballguy
If Watson gets a full year or "indefinite" suspension, I agree. Team is built to compete now and they won't roll with Brissett if Watson is out. Jimmy would be a good fit in that offense.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
That Giants interest, if true, seemed to come out of nowhere. Didn’t get the sense that Daboll was down on Jones (yet).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
nittanylion
Footballguy
IMHO, the Browns fortunes don't get appreciably better with Garoppolo manning the pivot vs Brissett...
....and also IMHO, I'd take the Giants rumors with a grain of salt, in that, if I'm not mistaken, Daboll has history with Tyrod Taylor, the Giants current backup QB, and he very might well be comfortable with TT running the offense if Jones falters.
I just think it's getting kind of late to bring a QB, and not a superstar one, at that, in cold to learn an offense, develop chemistry and timing, and myriad other things, tangible and intangible that go into being an NFL starting QB. It's July 17th...Training Camps open in less than 2 weeks.
....and also IMHO, I'd take the Giants rumors with a grain of salt, in that, if I'm not mistaken, Daboll has history with Tyrod Taylor, the Giants current backup QB, and he very might well be comfortable with TT running the offense if Jones falters.
I just think it's getting kind of late to bring a QB, and not a superstar one, at that, in cold to learn an offense, develop chemistry and timing, and myriad other things, tangible and intangible that go into being an NFL starting QB. It's July 17th...Training Camps open in less than 2 weeks.
